third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
I recently started using FM after a seven-yr hiatus :) There used to be a tool called FrameView or something. I think it was a cheap solution companies could purchase for subject matter experts who don't author but are involved in the review/collaboration process. Also, I know about some third-party apps for commenting/saving changes to PDFs. I mean ones that are much cheaper than the Acrobat suite. These would solve part of the collaboration problem, but we are hoping to review/accept review comments programmatically in similar fashion to Word. Any referrals and general tips much appreciated. Cheers, Matthew Reeves mreeves111 at gmail.com
third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
Adobe discontinued the Frame viewing product not too long after acquiring Frame Development, Inc. FrameMaker came with an ability to produce PDF files and the ability to "read" PDF files was distributed for free. Of course, that didn't solve the collaboration issue. However, Acrobat 8 (both "Standard" and "Pro") allows a user to enable a PDF file for shared review including users who only have the free Reader 8. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Matthew Reeves > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:56 AM > > I recently started using FM after a seven-yr hiatus :) There used to be a > tool called FrameView or something. I think it was a cheap solution > companies could purchase for subject matter experts who don't author but are > involved in the review/collaboration process. > > Also, I know about some third-party apps for commenting/saving changes to > PDFs. I mean ones that are much cheaper than the Acrobat suite. These would > solve part of the collaboration problem, but we are hoping to review/accept > review comments programmatically in similar fashion to Word. > > Any referrals and general tips much appreciated. > > Cheers, > Matthew Reeves > mreeves111 at gmail.com
third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
Dov, You wrote: >... However, Acrobat 8 (both "Standard" and "Pro") allows a user to >enable a PDF file for shared review including users who only have >the free Reader 8. Shouldn't it be '(both "Pro" and "3D")'? As far as I remember, Standard does not have the "Enable for Commenting in Adobe Reader" function (this is also indicated in the comparison between different Acrobat versions, http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/matrix.html ) Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants
third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
The ScanSoft PDFconverter product is less expensive than Acrobat. It works well for online reviews; people can attach comments and strike out text. (Plus there are other nice features.) There is also the JAWS pdf editor. Inexpensive I think. Disclaimer: PDFconverter is manufactured by a division of Nuance, my employer. __ Peter Crimmin Documentation Manager NUANCE COMMUNICATIONS, INC. One Wayside Road Burlington MA 01803 m 617 308 4974 (preferred) h 617 924 5095 (at home in Boston)
third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
Well if you want to just get the PDF Standard, you can always send the PDF with a link to the PDF-XChange Viewer (free). With this tool you can add comments to any PDF, including encrypted ones. http://www.docu-track.com/downloads/users/ Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 Shlomo Perets wrote: > Dov, > > You wrote: > > >> ... However, Acrobat 8 (both "Standard" and "Pro") allows a user to >> enable a PDF file for shared review including users who only have >> the free Reader 8. >> > > Shouldn't it be '(both "Pro" and "3D")'? As far as I remember, > Standard does not have the "Enable for Commenting in Adobe Reader" > function (this is also indicated in the comparison between different > Acrobat versions, http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/matrix.html ) > > > Shlomo Perets > > MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker > FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat > TimeSavers/Assistants > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as sbw at actcom.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sbw%40actcom.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
Yes, Shlomo is correct! Sorry! - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Shlomo Perets [mailto:shlomo2 at microtype.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:38 AM > > Dov, > > You wrote: > > >... However, Acrobat 8 (both "Standard" and "Pro") allows a user to > >enable a PDF file for shared review including users who only have > >the free Reader 8. > > Shouldn't it be '(both "Pro" and "3D")'? As far as I remember, > Standard does not have the "Enable for Commenting in Adobe Reader" > function (this is also indicated in the comparison between different > Acrobat versions, http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/matrix.html ) > > > Shlomo Perets
third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
If you are using FrameMaker 8, you can use "Track Text Edits" for review purposes. This of course assumes that reviewer also has a copy of FrameMaker 8 and you can trust the reviewer with the source files. For review of the final output, PDF based commenting is probably the best bet. You may also want to check the "Merge Comments" functionality in Acrobat when you send the PDF out to multiple reviewers. Thanks and regards Vivek Jain
third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
Hi Matthew: I'm using a tool that WebWorks used to sell called FinalDraft. Unfortunately, they're no longer selling it, so it won't help you. I just wanted to ask someone out there to develop a review tool like it because it has some significant advantages over the FrameMaker-track-changes and the PDF-commenting models. Only the person distributing and changing the FrameMaker document has to buy the licensed software (the authoring version); all the reviewers can use the free software. You can make the changes suggested by reviewers' comments, then send another draft, and the existing comments will still be in the draft. Then reviewers can check the changes against their comments, and carry the discussion on further if they like. You can assign a status to each discussion so that they're easier to manage; categories such as Open, Closed, and MoreInfo help the author and the reviewers sort through the comments so they know which ones they have to read and which ones they can ignore. When you double-click on a comment, it opens FrameMaker and highlights the paragraph where the comment applies. Of course, it has its flaws because it never got to a second release, but it's still the most efficient way I have to distribute drafts and collect comments. I can keep using FinalDraft with FrameMaker 7.2, but they stopped development on it, so I can't use it with FrameMaker 8. If anyone knows of a review tool that has these features, please let me know. If anyone would like to develop such a tool (especially for structured documents), I think you'll find a market for it. Fei Min "Matthew Reeves" Sent by: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 01/02/2008 09:07 PM To framers at lists.frameusers.com cc Subject third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration I recently started using FM after a seven-yr hiatus :) There used to be a tool called FrameView or something. I think it was a cheap solution companies could purchase for subject matter experts who don't author but are involved in the review/collaboration process. Also, I know about some third-party apps for commenting/saving changes to PDFs. I mean ones that are much cheaper than the Acrobat suite. These would solve part of the collaboration problem, but we are hoping to review/accept review comments programmatically in similar fashion to Word. Any referrals and general tips much appreciated. Cheers, Matthew Reeves mreeves111 at gmail.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as FeiMin_Lorente at amis.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin_lorente%40amis.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. AMI Semiconductor - "Silicon Solutions for the Real World" NOTICE: This electronic message contains information that may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender and delete the copy you received.
third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
I recently started using FM after a seven-yr hiatus :) There used to be a tool called FrameView or something. I think it was a cheap solution companies could purchase for subject matter experts who don't author but are involved in the review/collaboration process. Also, I know about some third-party apps for commenting/saving changes to PDFs. I mean ones that are much cheaper than the Acrobat suite. These would solve part of the collaboration problem, but we are hoping to review/accept review comments programmatically in similar fashion to Word. Any referrals and general tips much appreciated. Cheers, Matthew Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
Adobe discontinued the Frame viewing product not too long after acquiring Frame Development, Inc. FrameMaker came with an ability to produce PDF files and the ability to "read" PDF files was distributed for free. Of course, that didn't solve the collaboration issue. However, Acrobat 8 (both "Standard" and "Pro") allows a user to enable a PDF file for shared review including users who only have the free Reader 8. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Matthew Reeves > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:56 AM > > I recently started using FM after a seven-yr hiatus :) There used to be a > tool called FrameView or something. I think it was a cheap solution > companies could purchase for subject matter experts who don't author but are > involved in the review/collaboration process. > > Also, I know about some third-party apps for commenting/saving changes to > PDFs. I mean ones that are much cheaper than the Acrobat suite. These would > solve part of the collaboration problem, but we are hoping to review/accept > review comments programmatically in similar fashion to Word. > > Any referrals and general tips much appreciated. > > Cheers, > Matthew Reeves > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
Dov, You wrote: >... However, Acrobat 8 (both "Standard" and "Pro") allows a user to >enable a PDF file for shared review including users who only have >the free Reader 8. Shouldn't it be '(both "Pro" and "3D")'? As far as I remember, Standard does not have the "Enable for Commenting in Adobe Reader" function (this is also indicated in the comparison between different Acrobat versions, http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/matrix.html ) Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
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Re: third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
Well if you want to just get the PDF Standard, you can always send the PDF with a link to the PDF-XChange Viewer (free). With this tool you can add comments to any PDF, including encrypted ones. http://www.docu-track.com/downloads/users/ Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 Shlomo Perets wrote: > Dov, > > You wrote: > > >> ... However, Acrobat 8 (both "Standard" and "Pro") allows a user to >> enable a PDF file for shared review including users who only have >> the free Reader 8. >> > > Shouldn't it be '(both "Pro" and "3D")'? As far as I remember, > Standard does not have the "Enable for Commenting in Adobe Reader" > function (this is also indicated in the comparison between different > Acrobat versions, http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/matrix.html ) > > > Shlomo Perets > > MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker > FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat > TimeSavers/Assistants > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sbw%40actcom.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
The ScanSoft PDFconverter product is less expensive than Acrobat. It works well for online reviews; people can attach comments and strike out text. (Plus there are other nice features.) There is also the JAWS pdf editor. Inexpensive I think. Disclaimer: PDFconverter is manufactured by a division of Nuance, my employer. __ Peter Crimmin Documentation Manager NUANCE COMMUNICATIONS, INC. One Wayside Road Burlington MA 01803 m 617 308 4974 (preferred) h 617 924 5095 (at home in Boston) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
Yes, Shlomo is correct! Sorry! - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Shlomo Perets [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:38 AM > > Dov, > > You wrote: > > >... However, Acrobat 8 (both "Standard" and "Pro") allows a user to > >enable a PDF file for shared review including users who only have > >the free Reader 8. > > Shouldn't it be '(both "Pro" and "3D")'? As far as I remember, > Standard does not have the "Enable for Commenting in Adobe Reader" > function (this is also indicated in the comparison between different > Acrobat versions, http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/matrix.html ) > > > Shlomo Perets ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
If you are using FrameMaker 8, you can use "Track Text Edits" for review purposes. This of course assumes that reviewer also has a copy of FrameMaker 8 and you can trust the reviewer with the source files. For review of the final output, PDF based commenting is probably the best bet. You may also want to check the "Merge Comments" functionality in Acrobat when you send the PDF out to multiple reviewers. Thanks and regards Vivek Jain ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration
Hi Matthew: I'm using a tool that WebWorks used to sell called FinalDraft. Unfortunately, they're no longer selling it, so it won't help you. I just wanted to ask someone out there to develop a review tool like it because it has some significant advantages over the FrameMaker-track-changes and the PDF-commenting models. Only the person distributing and changing the FrameMaker document has to buy the licensed software (the authoring version); all the reviewers can use the free software. You can make the changes suggested by reviewers' comments, then send another draft, and the existing comments will still be in the draft. Then reviewers can check the changes against their comments, and carry the discussion on further if they like. You can assign a status to each discussion so that they're easier to manage; categories such as Open, Closed, and MoreInfo help the author and the reviewers sort through the comments so they know which ones they have to read and which ones they can ignore. When you double-click on a comment, it opens FrameMaker and highlights the paragraph where the comment applies. Of course, it has its flaws because it never got to a second release, but it's still the most efficient way I have to distribute drafts and collect comments. I can keep using FinalDraft with FrameMaker 7.2, but they stopped development on it, so I can't use it with FrameMaker 8. If anyone knows of a review tool that has these features, please let me know. If anyone would like to develop such a tool (especially for structured documents), I think you'll find a market for it. Fei Min "Matthew Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/02/2008 09:07 PM To framers@lists.frameusers.com cc Subject third-party or Frame tools for doc review/collaboration I recently started using FM after a seven-yr hiatus :) There used to be a tool called FrameView or something. I think it was a cheap solution companies could purchase for subject matter experts who don't author but are involved in the review/collaboration process. Also, I know about some third-party apps for commenting/saving changes to PDFs. I mean ones that are much cheaper than the Acrobat suite. These would solve part of the collaboration problem, but we are hoping to review/accept review comments programmatically in similar fashion to Word. Any referrals and general tips much appreciated. Cheers, Matthew Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin_lorente%40amis.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. AMI Semiconductor - "Silicon Solutions for the Real World" NOTICE: This electronic message contains information that may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender and delete the copy you received. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
