Re: [Framework-Team] 3.3 timeline
danny, raphael, and also steve and jon, would that work for you? that's to say, realistically, like in being able to do all necessary reviews etc on time? :) if not, please tell us now so we can adjust things. we'd really like to stick with the plan this time... cheers, andi On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: The proposal we came up with today at lunch is: The PLIP implementation deadline will be half January, after which the framework team has a two week period to review all PLIPs. This will be followed by a week during which developers can rework their implementation (code, UI or documentation) to solve any problems found by the framework team. The framework team will then have another week during which is will re-evaluate previously rejected PLIPs. That means that half February we will have a final verdict for all PLIPs. In addition people are highly encourages to submit their implementation before the deadline, and the framework team will try to review PLIPs as soon as they are submitted. PLIPs submitted after the deadline will have to wait for 3.4. Steve and Jon will be asked to manage the process and make sure everyone is playing by the rules. Wichert. -- zeidler it consulting - http://zitc.de/ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] friedelstraße 31 - 12047 berlin - telefon +49 30 25563779 pgp key at http://zitc.de/pgp - http://wwwkeys.de.pgp.net/ plone 3.1.6 released! -- http://plone.org/products/plone/ PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] PLIP 234: Standardizing our use of INavigationRoot
On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:32 AM, Andreas Zeidler wrote: On Oct 29, 2008, at 7:57 AM, David Glick wrote: By the way, have any deadlines been named for implementing the PLIPs that were approved for 3.3? we (3/5 of the framework team + wichert) have discussed the schedule over lunch today. we still need to check back with the rest of the team, but the schedule should be posted some time during the next few days... doh, i should have read all the post first — wichert was too fast for me... :) cheers, andi -- zeidler it consulting - http://zitc.de/ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] friedelstraße 31 - 12047 berlin - telefon +49 30 25563779 pgp key at http://zitc.de/pgp - http://wwwkeys.de.pgp.net/ plone 3.1.6 released! -- http://plone.org/products/plone/ PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Draft Call for Team Membership Applications
On Nov 1, 2008, at 11:48 PM, David Glick wrote: Nomination doesn't have to be formalized. If you have people in mind, why not contact them directly and encourage them to submit a self-nomination? Then a shy person would know that they are welcome, but would still have to demonstrate some initiative. so david, please feel very welcome and demonstrate that initiative! ;) andi -- zeidler it consulting - http://zitc.de/ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] friedelstraße 31 - 12047 berlin - telefon +49 30 25563779 pgp key at http://zitc.de/pgp - http://wwwkeys.de.pgp.net/ plone 3.1.6 released! -- http://plone.org/products/plone/ PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Draft Call for Team Membership Applications
On Nov 2, 2008, at 12:14 AM, Martijn Pieters wrote: On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 23:48, David Glick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nomination doesn't have to be formalized. If you have people in mind, why not contact them directly and encourage them to submit a self- nomination? Then a shy person would know that they are welcome, but would still have to demonstrate some initiative. I am speaking from personal experience here; Geir Bækholt nominated me; I would not have come forward myself, I don't think. Perhaps if encouraged, but that's a toss-up, I think. just for the record: same here. andi -- zeidler it consulting - http://zitc.de/ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] friedelstraße 31 - 12047 berlin - telefon +49 30 25563779 pgp key at http://zitc.de/pgp - http://wwwkeys.de.pgp.net/ plone 3.1.6 released! -- http://plone.org/products/plone/ PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Draft Call for Team Membership Applications
On Nov 4, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Steve McMahon wrote: It's off. I've posted to Plone.Org news plus the developers, product-developers, users and doc-team lists. i'm catching up with fwt mail a bit too late, but big thanks again, steve! the final version does sound very smooth indeed... nice work! :) andi -- zeidler it consulting - http://zitc.de/ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] friedelstraße 31 - 12047 berlin - telefon +49 30 25563779 pgp key at http://zitc.de/pgp - http://wwwkeys.de.pgp.net/ plone 3.1.6 released! -- http://plone.org/products/plone/ PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIP 234: Standardizing our use of INavigationRoot
On Oct 30, 2008, at 11:34 PM, Alexander Limi wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:57:35 -0700, David Glick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: SteveM and I are going to do a more thorough review of the process- related parts of our developer documentation sometime after the US election Our dependency chains are getting more and more interesting by the minute. ;) i guess that dependency was well taken care of now... congrats! :) andi -- zeidler it consulting - http://zitc.de/ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] friedelstraße 31 - 12047 berlin - telefon +49 30 25563779 pgp key at http://zitc.de/pgp - http://wwwkeys.de.pgp.net/ plone 3.1.6 released! -- http://plone.org/products/plone/ PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] PLIP 234: Standardizing our use of INavigationRoot
On Oct 29, 2008, at 7:57 AM, David Glick wrote: The core developer reference[1] was incorrectly stating that PLIPs should be announced on the plone developers list, rather than the framework team list. So I'm glad that we were willing to be lenient in this case. I have corrected that error -- if you see the same error elsewhere, please fix it. thanks & nice catch! :) By the way, have any deadlines been named for implementing the PLIPs that were approved for 3.3? we (3/5 of the framework team + wichert) have discussed the schedule over lunch today. we still need to check back with the rest of the team, but the schedule should be posted some time during the next few days... cheers, andi -- zeidler it consulting - http://zitc.de/ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] friedelstraße 31 - 12047 berlin - telefon +49 30 25563779 pgp key at http://zitc.de/pgp - http://wwwkeys.de.pgp.net/ plone 3.1.6 released! -- http://plone.org/products/plone/ PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Nomination
On 5 Nov 2008, at 12:29, Wichert Akkerman wrote: - excels at reading and understanding other people's code Yes, not only do I do regular code reviews at work I have worked as a coursework marker for a masters level university java course. Part of my job is that when I see an interesting package name in the plone commits or on PyPI the first thing I read the source (including readme) and talk to my coworkers about it. - is excellent at reviewing documentation and release notes I am the new editor of the configuration and setup section of plone.org documentation and started the evaluation process that the whole docteam is now using. See http://www.openplans.org/projects/plone-documentation/configuration-and-setup-overview for what I've done so far. I love doctests as examples for plone.* packages but for plone.app.* they generally seem to be less useful. Either way, a readme file that clearly explains how to use the code is vital, imo. - loves to make sure a user interface is as simple as possible Less so, I'm a terminal junkie. I know what I hate, as it were, for example adding a new user with the manager role in PAS is dire, but I'm more interested in ensuring integrators can easily customise a UI than perfecting the OOTB one. As long as it's usable it's enough for me. Matt ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] 3.3 timeline
The proposal we came up with today at lunch is: The PLIP implementation deadline will be half January, after which the framework team has a two week period to review all PLIPs. This will be followed by a week during which developers can rework their implementation (code, UI or documentation) to solve any problems found by the framework team. The framework team will then have another week during which is will re-evaluate previously rejected PLIPs. That means that half February we will have a final verdict for all PLIPs. In addition people are highly encourages to submit their implementation before the deadline, and the framework team will try to review PLIPs as soon as they are submitted. PLIPs submitted after the deadline will have to wait for 3.4. Steve and Jon will be asked to manage the process and make sure everyone is playing by the rules. Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple. ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Nomination
Previously Matthew Wilkes wrote: > Well, I'll get the ball rolling on this. > > I'd be interested in serving on the 4.x team. Although I've not made > masses of commits to Plone I do know the internals very well, I think > I must have pdbed or read most of it over the years and I'm > comfortable with development versions. I think the current team has > done a great job in not breaking Plone 3.x as its progressed and I'm > keen to see that continue with 4.x (x > 0). I'm used to working in a > development team for my day job, including code reviews for other > programmers, so I don't think there's anything in the job that I won't > have some experience with. Do you see yourself as someone who: - excels at reading and understanding other people's code - is excellent at reviewing documentation and release notes - loves to make sure a user interface is as simple as possible It would be nice if the team will have a balance between those qualities. Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple. ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
