Re: [Frameworks] Kodak Ektachrome 160 Type A Process EM26

2011-10-12 Thread Carlileb 
 
In a message dated 10/12/2011 9:13:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
david.m.rei...@googlemail.com writes:

Is there  still a way to process this old Super 8 stock? Film Rescue  
and Rocky  Mountain are a little too expensive for my liking, and I'd  
be  willing to hand process... Any  thoughts?
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Try Martin Baumgarten at Plattsburgh Photographic. I think he still  
processes old stocks for a reasonable cost.
 
EM-26 can be easily processed in E-6, with a little tweaking if desired.  
But unlike most Ektachrome films of the time it had an anti-halation backing  
that must be scrubbed off separately. That's why labs won't do it any  more.
 
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[Frameworks] FrameWorkers in Chicago: Artifacts and Videoscapes: Videos by Jake Barningham

2011-10-12 Thread Jake B. 
Greetings, Frameworks!

If you'd all indulge me for a moment I'd like to shamelessly plug my show for 
those of you who are in Chicago or going to be in Chicago this Upcoming Friday. 
I'm proud of my work and would be really happy if some of you could make 
it.Thanks for your time!

Here's the program info:


Artifacts and Videoscapes: Videos by Jake Barningham

CRITIC'S PICK! - Time Out Chicago 
Chicago's Own 
Friday, October 14, 2011 - 8:00pm 
Location: 
Chicago Filmmakers 
Heavily influenced by the avant-garde (Stan Brakhage and Chris Welsby most 
specifically) Jake Barningham envisions video as a medium struggling to 
exist. Barningham's work is concerned first and foremost with the 
textures, rhythms and colors possible in video. Largely using 
re-appropriated footage from amateur meteorologists across the country, 
the videos in this program re-envision landscapes not as majestic 
natural sculptures but as things, like video, that are struggling to 
exist: colors and shapes snap, gesticulate and then dissolve in a 
membrane of pixels. Trees and clouds shift restlessly against 
ill-defined spaces and tremble at the hand of invisible forces. 
Appropriately, Barmingham compares working in video to “sculpting with 
smoke.” His work has been shown at The Onion City Film Festival, as well as the 
Wisconsin International, Arkansas Underground, and Milwaukee 
Underground Film Festivals. Many of the 18 shorts featured in this 
program are Chicago premieres. (2011, 75 min.)

Program: 
Again (2011, 4.5 min, DV, sound) 
And Again (2011, 3min, DV, sound) 
Charles Ives' Three Quarter-Tone Pieces "Chorale" (1924, 4.5min, CD) 
Hills (2011, 2min, DV, silent) 
Easter (2011, 2min, DV, silent)
Color Copy (2011, 3min, DV, silent) 
Playing (2011, 2min, DV, silent) 
Night, Day (2011, 7min, DV, silent) 
View from a Cemetery (2011, 4min, DV, silent) 
A Pass (2011, 2min, DV, silent) 
Silence (2011, 2min, DV, silent) 
All (2011, 2min, DV, silent) 
Parts (2011, 4min, DV, silent)
Tropical (2011, 5min, MiniDV, silent) 
Back Yard (2011, 4min, DV, silent)
Wood Cart series 1-4: 
1. Wood Cart (2011, 5min, DV, silent) 
2. "Sometimes at night..." (2011, 6.5min, DV, silent) 
3. "...I hear strange laughter" (2011, 6min, DV, silent)
4. Buster Keaton (2011, 5min, DV, silent)

Program time total: 75 minutes 18 videos and a musical interlude.

Quotes about Jake Barningham's video work: 

"There are shades of Stan Brakhage in Jake Barningham’s digital 
daydreams... In love with the textures of video, Barningham’s shorts 
transform the mundane into the gorgeously abstract, drowning signposts 
of daily life—houses, trees—in a churning ocean of digital noise."  - 
A.A. Dowd, TimeOut Chicago 

"[Barningham] understand(s) that abstraction is a necessary function 
of digitizing images, and [his] shorts, most of them silent, use the 
medium for its unique qualities of flicker and pixilation."  - Fred 
Camper, The Chicago Reader 

"What Barningham has managed to do is, simply put, more than akin to 
the poetry that Brakhage has imbued to celluloid. It is this critic’s 
opinion, whatever it may be worth, that Barningham is building a 
formidable body of work and quickly emerging at the forefront of this 
still new, not entirely understood, medium."  - Dan Gorman, 
truth24framespersecond.blogspot.com 
Jake Barningham was born and raised in rural Wisconsin. He moved to 
Chicago, IL to pursue film studies and began making videos in 2004. His 
work has shown at The Onion City Film festival, The Wisconsin 
International Film Festival, Bearded Child Film Festival, The Iowa City 
Experimental Film Festival and The Milwaukee and Arkansas Underground 
Film Festivals. His work was also part of a the Three Person Show "After Image: 
New videos by Jake Barningham, Kyle Canterbury and Yoel Meranda" last Winter at 
Chicago Filmmakers. Barningham's work has also been 
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[Frameworks] Kodak Ektachrome 160 Type A Process EM26

2011-10-12 Thread David Reiman 
Is there still a way to process this old Super 8 stock? Film Rescue  
and Rocky Mountain are a little too expensive for my liking, and I'd  
be willing to hand process... Any thoughts?
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Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera

2011-10-12 Thread Carlileb 
 
In a message dated 10/12/2011 1:14:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
i...@40frames.org writes:


 
I have a running bet with a friend that the next thing we will hear  from 
Kodak is that B&W positive stock is being discontinued because it's  fine to 
print B&W negs onto color positive stock.  Right.








Yup.
 
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Re: [Frameworks] Jaap Pieters in Boston tomorrow night

2011-10-12 Thread Robert Todd 
The print for UNdergrowth is coming in to town on Friday - I can get it to you 
over the weekend...
The 18th is going to be nutty - I'll be carting Tomonari Nishikawa and Chris 
Kennedy from their 6pm screening at the Paramount to the Balagan show that 
night. Talked to Jeff S about it a bit while in NYC...nutty!!!

On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Mariya Nikiforova wrote:

Thursday, October 13: Spectacle presents... The Eye of Amsterdam

Super8 films of street scenes by Dutch filmmaker Jaap Pieters, accompanied by 
musicians/sound artists Travis Bird and Evan Lindorff-Ellery.

Location: 128 Brookside Ave, Jamaica Plain (next to Green Street T stop)
Time: 8pm
Ticket price: $5 suggested donation
Website
Facebook RSVP 


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[Frameworks] Jaap Pieters in Boston tomorrow night

2011-10-12 Thread Mariya Nikiforova 
*Thursday, October 13: Spectacle presents... The Eye of Amsterdam*

Super8 films of street scenes by Dutch filmmaker Jaap Pieters, accompanied
by musicians/sound artists Travis Bird and Evan Lindorff-Ellery.

*Location: *128 Brookside Ave, Jamaica Plain (next to Green Street T stop)
*Time*: 8pm
*Ticket price:* $5 suggested donation
Website 
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Re: [Frameworks] Millennium Film Workshop Members Meeting Sunday October 16, 7:00pm

2011-10-12 Thread Chuck Kleinhans 
Although I'm on the West Coast, I too wonder what is going on.  Is there some 
reason for being so restricted in getting info out?

Jay did send out an announcement on Sept 14, and a report that there was a 
meeting on Sept 21, but there's hardly any substance to it.  I realize that in 
dealing with a crisis situation, there may not be time to detail everything, 
but could a few people who do go to the meeting(s) provide some kind of a 
report about what's going on aferwards? I think that there is interest across 
North America, for sure, about this landmark institution.

Though I have to also wonder if we could end up with Too Much InformationI 
remember Canyon having some kind of highly disputed members meeting(in the 
early 90s, I think) that was videotaped, and and you could actually buy a copy 
of the tape (which a friend did)...it was something like a 6 hour meeting with 
all the full blown attitudinizing that only powerless (all male as I remember) 
artists and intellectuals can perform so colorfully

Chuck Kleinhans



On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:22 PM, Jay Hudson wrote:

> Dear Robert,
> 
> The notice is just functional to get the members meeting going.  If
> you have questions please call me at millennium 212 673 0090 or stop
> by this evening.  I have tried to be as informative as possible, but I
> am sorry if I have not been as clear about the situation.
> 
> Best,
> Jay
> 
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Robert Haller
>  wrote:
>> Dear Jay,
>> 
>> I am a long time friend of Millennium, am puzzled by what is going on.  If
>> there is a problem, why has it not been described in your e-mails? Where
>> does Howard fit into all of this? You speak of "the survival of Millennium"
>> but I wonder in what sense. What happened at the last meeting that was
>> "quite a success"? Why is there so much mystery here? -- Robert Haller
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/12/11 12:34 AM, "Jay Hudson"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear All:
>> 
>> This is a reminder that there is a members meeting Sunday,
>>> October
>> 16th at 7:00pm at the Millennium Film Workshop, 66 E 4th
>>> between
>> Bowery and 2nd Avenue.  Doors open at 5:00 for those who wish
>>> to
>> register as members.  This meeting is crucial to the survival of
>>> the
>> Millennium Film Workshop, an essential institution for the New York
>> film
>>> community.  It is extremely important that everyone who is
>> concerned about its
>>> continuance attend this meeting.
>> 
>> The focus of the meeting will be to elect a
>>> board of directors and an
>> executive director.  After that, there will be a
>>> discussion on the
>> current issues surrounding the Millennium.  The meeting is
>>> open to the
>> public.
>> 
>> Please get the word out to everyone you know.  If we have
>>> a successful
>> attendance, the Millennium will not only survive, but revive
>>> and
>> flourish.  The last public meeting was quite a success.  I wish to
>>> see
>> this members meeting build on this accomplishment.
>> 
>> Please contact me at
>>> this address with any questions and comments.  I
>> can't wait to see you
>>> there!
>> 
>> Best,
>> Jay Hudson
>> 
>> Members Meeting
>> Millennium Film Workshop
>> 66 E 4th,
>>> between 2nd and Bowery
>> 7:00pm
>> Door open
>>> 5:00pm
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Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera

2011-10-12 Thread 40 Frames 
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:20 PM,  wrote:

> In the early to mid 1980s the BBC replaced all their Arri BL and Angenieux
> 12-120 lens news gathering kits with Aatons and Zeiss Distagon lenses. These
> were used for filming interviews and other banal stuff. A bit like using a
> Ferrari to drive to the corner shop, as we say here!
>
>
>

And those Aaton cameras were then sold by the BBC to photographers who
worked for the BBC, and then on to others like me,
and then on to others

Kind of amazing how this stuff gets past along and that it's still in
use. There is hardly anything like it in industrial and product
cycles today.

By comparison, though I now use a pre-Intel G5 Mac, it will likely need to
be replaced in the next 1-2 years as hardware fails
and as backwards compatibility with the OS and apps becomes more and more
problematic. I bought the computer from its original
owner, and after me it will likely head to the trash heap.


Alain






>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: Steven Gladstone 
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
> Sent: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:02
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera
>
>  On 10/12/11 1:11 PM, Matt Helme wrote:
> > how many people on Frameworks EVER bought a new Panavision or Aaton camera?
>
> Technically speaking, Panavision NEVER sold their film cameras, you
> could only rent them. In fact Accrding to Arri, Panavision was Arri's
> biggest customer. Panavision did at one time own Aaton (If I recall) but
> that was so they could get the little Aaton Code diode technology,
> Panavision later sold Aaton, again if I recall.
>
> I bought an Aaton way back - around 1998 or so, it was made in the
> 1970's and was a "BBC" camera at one time in its life.
>
>
>
> --
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> New York Based Cinematographer
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[Frameworks] Saturday Oct 15th A DRIVE-IN presents Autumnal Jamboree / Brooklyn NY

2011-10-12 Thread Jessie Stead 
Hello from Jessie Stead!

On Saturday Night October 15th we will host *A DRIVE-IN 8 / Autumnal
Jamboree* when the sun goes down on the industrial waterfront grounds of Red
Hook Brooklyn!

This very special late season installment of everybody's favorite
un-authorized projection party will feature outdoor screenings of new and
used motion pictures, assorted live performances, a farewell art opening
party at the beloved Work Gallery  across the
street and OTHER SURPRISE DELIGHTS!

For more on the *A DRIVE-IN *event series and the art of hanging out in a
parking lot:
http://www.jessiestead.com/adrivein.html

Sincerely,
JESSIE STEAD

Saturday Night OCT 15, 2011
Dusk O'Clock / 7:30 PM or so
empty lot  @ 65
Union Street & Van Brunt

Brooklyn, NY / Red Hook
G or F subway to Carroll Stop
rain date TBA
*
A DRIVE-IN is a distinguished unauthorized mixed media projection party held
sporadically at an empty lot in Red Hook, Brooklyn since the fall of 2008.
Brought to you by clearchannel and Work Gallery. No automobiles are required
at A DRIVE-IN events, we celebrate transportation in general.*

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Re: [Frameworks] Millennium Film Workshop Members Meeting Sunday October 16, 7:00pm

2011-10-12 Thread Jay Hudson 
Dear Robert,

The notice is just functional to get the members meeting going.  If
you have questions please call me at millennium 212 673 0090 or stop
by this evening.  I have tried to be as informative as possible, but I
am sorry if I have not been as clear about the situation.

Best,
Jay

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Robert Haller
 wrote:
> Dear Jay,
>
> I am a long time friend of Millennium, am puzzled by what is going on.  If
> there is a problem, why has it not been described in your e-mails? Where
> does Howard fit into all of this? You speak of "the survival of Millennium"
> but I wonder in what sense. What happened at the last meeting that was
> "quite a success"? Why is there so much mystery here? -- Robert Haller
>
>
> On 10/12/11 12:34 AM, "Jay Hudson"  wrote:
>
>> Dear All:
>
> This is a reminder that there is a members meeting Sunday,
>> October
> 16th at 7:00pm at the Millennium Film Workshop, 66 E 4th
>> between
> Bowery and 2nd Avenue.  Doors open at 5:00 for those who wish
>> to
> register as members.  This meeting is crucial to the survival of
>> the
> Millennium Film Workshop, an essential institution for the New York
> film
>> community.  It is extremely important that everyone who is
> concerned about its
>> continuance attend this meeting.
>
> The focus of the meeting will be to elect a
>> board of directors and an
> executive director.  After that, there will be a
>> discussion on the
> current issues surrounding the Millennium.  The meeting is
>> open to the
> public.
>
> Please get the word out to everyone you know.  If we have
>> a successful
> attendance, the Millennium will not only survive, but revive
>> and
> flourish.  The last public meeting was quite a success.  I wish to
>> see
> this members meeting build on this accomplishment.
>
> Please contact me at
>> this address with any questions and comments.  I
> can't wait to see you
>> there!
>
> Best,
> Jay Hudson
>
> Members Meeting
> Millennium Film Workshop
> 66 E 4th,
>> between 2nd and Bowery
> 7:00pm
> Door open
>> 5:00pm
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>> list
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Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera

2011-10-12 Thread nicky . hamlyn 
In the early to mid 1980s the BBC replaced all their Arri BL and Angenieux 
12-120 lens news gathering kits with Aatons and Zeiss Distagon lenses. These 
were used for filming interviews and other banal stuff. A bit like using a 
Ferrari to drive to the corner shop, as we say here!

Nicky Hamlyn.

 

 

 

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From: Steven Gladstone 
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Sent: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:02
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera


On 10/12/11 1:11 PM, Matt Helme wrote:
> how many people on Frameworks EVER bought a new Panavision or Aaton camera?

Technically speaking, Panavision NEVER sold their film cameras, you 
could only rent them. In fact Accrding to Arri, Panavision was Arri's 
biggest customer. Panavision did at one time own Aaton (If I recall) but 
that was so they could get the little Aaton Code diode technology, 
Panavision later sold Aaton, again if I recall.

I bought an Aaton way back - around 1998 or so, it was made in the 
1970's and was a "BBC" camera at one time in its life.



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Re: [Frameworks] George Kuchar Screening Rights

2011-10-12 Thread Brook Hinton 
Canyon for film, VDB and EAI for the video work.
Some of it isn't anywhere, unfortunately. But I think VDB has all of
the Weather Diaries.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Warren Cockerham
 wrote:
> LJ,
>
> You should contact Brigid or Abina at The Video Data Bank. They have nearly
> all of Kuchar's video work and imagine they're ready for the retrospective
> wave.
>
> vdb.org
>
> good luck,
> Warren
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:26 PM, lj frezza  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Guys,
>> As many of you already know, we lost a great filmmaker this year, George
>> Kuchar. I'm interested in putting together a screening of some of his
>> Weather Diaries in his memory, and I was wondering if anyone knew who I
>> might contact about getting the rights to this
>> Thanks
>> -LJ
>>
>> --
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Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera

2011-10-12 Thread Steven Gladstone 
On 10/12/11 1:11 PM, Matt Helme wrote:
> how many people on Frameworks EVER bought a new Panavision or Aaton camera?

Technically speaking, Panavision NEVER sold their film cameras, you 
could only rent them. In fact Accrding to Arri, Panavision was Arri's 
biggest customer. Panavision did at one time own Aaton (If I recall) but 
that was so they could get the little Aaton Code diode technology, 
Panavision later sold Aaton, again if I recall.

I bought an Aaton way back - around 1998 or so, it was made in the 
1970's and was a "BBC" camera at one time in its life.



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New York Based Cinematographer
Gladstone films
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Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera

2011-10-12 Thread nicky . hamlyn 
Pragmatically, we have to work around these growing limitations. I recently 
acquired some Agfa ST8 ortho sound recording film, which I'm using to make 
short, hi-con negative films with! Who knows what can be done with "one bland 
color negative stock"?

NIcky Hamlyn.

 

 

 

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From: Jeff Kreines 
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Sent: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:35
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera


The problem is what kind of film will Kodak be making?


No reversal print stocks.  No fast color reversal stocks.  No Plus-X anything.


Soon, no 35mm Estar based color interneg stock with remjet backing (meaning no 
blow-up internegs from 16mm reversal originals).


But lots of crappy inkjet printers.  That's what happens when Kodak hires a CEO 
who used to work at HP on inkjet printers.  They might as well make shoes -- 
they know as much about that.


Film cameras are now very affordable.  There are still some labs left.  But we 
no longer have the stocks we need -- it will all be a compromise.


Kodak would love to make one bland color negative stock that is designed to be 
manipulated in post (DI) and one intermediate stock for digital output and one 
print stock.


I have a running bet with a friend that the next thing we will hear from Kodak 
is that B&W positive stock is being discontinued because it's fine to print B&W 
negs onto color positive stock.  Right.


Interestingly, Fuji may come to the rescue -- they are test marketing 35mm B&W 
positive stock in the US.  Call Fuji and ask for other stocks!


Jeff "dreads the yellow nightmare" Kreines


On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Mark Toscano wrote:




I like the Kodak rep quote, if it's to be trusted:


Eastman Kodak, Chris Johnson, Director of New Business Development, 
Entertainment Imaging, counters that "I don't see a time when Kodak stops 
making film stock," noting the year-on-year growth in 65mm film and popularity 
of Super 8mm. "We still make billions of linear feet of film," he says. "Over 
the horizon as far as we can see, we'll be making billions of feet of film."






 
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Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera

2011-10-12 Thread 40 Frames 
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Jeff Kreines
wrote:

>
> I have a running bet with a friend that the next thing we will hear from
> Kodak is that B&W positive stock is being discontinued because it's fine to
> print B&W negs onto color positive stock.  Right.
>


My thought/fear as well... 7302/3302 and possibly 7363.



>
> Interestingly, Fuji may come to the rescue -- they are test marketing 35mm
> B&W positive stock in the US.  Call Fuji and ask for other stocks!
>
>

And one of Fuji's new film products is 35mm sound film!
http://www.fujifilm.com/products/motion_picture/lineup/eterna_rsn/

ORWO will also provide options for camera, intermediate and sound films in
16/35.



Alain


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Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera

2011-10-12 Thread Jeff Kreines 
The problem is what kind of film will Kodak be making?

No reversal print stocks.  No fast color reversal stocks.  No Plus-X anything.

Soon, no 35mm Estar based color interneg stock with remjet backing (meaning no 
blow-up internegs from 16mm reversal originals).

But lots of crappy inkjet printers.  That's what happens when Kodak hires a CEO 
who used to work at HP on inkjet printers.  They might as well make shoes -- 
they know as much about that.

Film cameras are now very affordable.  There are still some labs left.  But we 
no longer have the stocks we need -- it will all be a compromise.

Kodak would love to make one bland color negative stock that is designed to be 
manipulated in post (DI) and one intermediate stock for digital output and one 
print stock.

I have a running bet with a friend that the next thing we will hear from Kodak 
is that B&W positive stock is being discontinued because it's fine to print B&W 
negs onto color positive stock.  Right.

Interestingly, Fuji may come to the rescue -- they are test marketing 35mm B&W 
positive stock in the US.  Call Fuji and ask for other stocks!

Jeff "dreads the yellow nightmare" Kreines

On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Mark Toscano wrote:

> I like the Kodak rep quote, if it's to be trusted:
> 
> Eastman Kodak, Chris Johnson, Director of New Business Development, 
> Entertainment Imaging, counters that "I don't see a time when Kodak stops 
> making film stock," noting the year-on-year growth in 65mm film and 
> popularity of Super 8mm. "We still make billions of linear feet of film," he 
> says. "Over the horizon as far as we can see, we'll be making billions of 
> feet of film."
> 

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Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera

2011-10-12 Thread Mark Toscano 
I like the Kodak rep quote, if it's to be trusted:
Eastman Kodak, Chris Johnson, Director of New Business Development, 
Entertainment Imaging, counters that "I don't see a time when Kodak stops 
making film stock," noting the year-on-year growth in 65mm film and popularity 
of Super 8mm. "We still make billions of linear feet of film," he says. "Over 
the horizon as far as we can see, we'll be making billions of feet of film."
*
Jeezus, I don't care if anyone wants to shoot digitally and do whatever they 
want however they want, I just want the option to continue to exist to shoot 
and work in film, not to mention to be able to continue the fricking 
restoration and preservation work I (and many many others) still do on film.
Mark T

--- On Wed, 10/12/11, 40 Frames  wrote:

From: 40 Frames 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera
To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" 
Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2011, 11:46 AM



On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Lars Fuchs  wrote:

This isn't good news. 
http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/film-fading-to-black





As Tom mentioned, the impact will not be as great at the margins (Frameworks), 
but yes we are all part of the samefilm ecosystem... so parts and information 
(particularly for Aaton, Arri) will be harder and harder to come by... though
I get the sense that limited support is still part of current business model.  
In the last year or two, Jakko (JK), George Zorzoli (Optical-Electro House) and 
Man-sung (SMS) have all retired, yet there are
others around to pick up the work. Actually, Man-sung still does service work, 
but now out of his home. 
If it's any consolation, Eclair NPR and many Bolex cameras, now out of 
production for decades, are being supported by a 
small group of camera technicians internationally and several small parts 
supplies. And much to my surprise CP camerasare still being supported. 
Having owned a number of 16mm cameras (Aaton, Bell & Howell, Bolex, CP, Eclair 
and a few others), it's the "lesser" cameras 
that support our work, as most all Aaton cameras and the newer Arriflex (SR 
series, 416) have always been expensive to own, maintain, repair and rent.   
There might still be a good 10 year run... maybe longer enjoy it while it 
lasts. 


Alain


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Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera

2011-10-12 Thread 40 Frames 
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Lars Fuchs  wrote:

> This isn't good news.
>
> http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/film-fading-to-black
>
>


As Tom mentioned, the impact will not be as great at the margins
(Frameworks), but yes we are all part of the same
film ecosystem... so parts and information (particularly for Aaton, Arri)
will be harder and harder to come by... though
I get the sense that limited support is still part of current business
model.

In the last year or two, Jakko (JK), George Zorzoli (Optical-Electro House)
and Man-sung (SMS) have all retired, yet there are
others around to pick up the work. Actually, Man-sung still does service
work, but now out of his home.

If it's any consolation, Eclair NPR and many Bolex cameras, now out of
production for decades, are being supported by a
small group of camera technicians internationally and several small parts
supplies. And much to my surprise CP cameras
are still being supported.

Having owned a number of 16mm cameras (Aaton, Bell & Howell, Bolex, CP,
Eclair and a few others), it's the "lesser" cameras
that support our work, as most all Aaton cameras and the newer Arriflex (SR
series, 416) have always been expensive to own,
maintain, repair and rent.

There might still be a good 10 year run... maybe longer enjoy it while
it lasts.


Alain


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Pam Minty

40 FRAMES
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USA

+1 503 231 6548
www.40frames.org
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Re: [Frameworks] George Kuchar Screening Rights

2011-10-12 Thread Warren Cockerham 
LJ,

You should contact Brigid or Abina at The Video Data Bank. They have nearly
all of Kuchar's video work and imagine they're ready for the retrospective
wave.

vdb.org

good luck,
Warren

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> Hey Guys,
> As many of you already know, we lost a great filmmaker this year, George
> Kuchar. I'm interested in putting together a screening of some of his
> Weather Diaries in his memory, and I was wondering if anyone knew who I
> might contact about getting the rights to this
> Thanks
> -LJ
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[Frameworks] George Kuchar Screening Rights

2011-10-12 Thread lj frezza 
Hey Guys,
As many of you already know, we lost a great filmmaker this year, George
Kuchar. I'm interested in putting together a screening of some of his
Weather Diaries in his memory, and I was wondering if anyone knew who I
might contact about getting the rights to this
Thanks
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Re: [Frameworks] Millennium Film Workshop Members Meeting Sunday October 16, 7:00pm

2011-10-12 Thread Robert Haller 
Dear Jay,

I am a long time friend of Millennium, am puzzled by what is going on.  If
there is a problem, why has it not been described in your e-mails? Where
does Howard fit into all of this? You speak of "the survival of Millennium"
but I wonder in what sense. What happened at the last meeting that was
"quite a success"? Why is there so much mystery here? -- Robert Haller


On 10/12/11 12:34 AM, "Jay Hudson"  wrote:

> Dear All:

This is a reminder that there is a members meeting Sunday,
> October
16th at 7:00pm at the Millennium Film Workshop, 66 E 4th
> between
Bowery and 2nd Avenue.  Doors open at 5:00 for those who wish
> to
register as members.  This meeting is crucial to the survival of
> the
Millennium Film Workshop, an essential institution for the New York
film
> community.  It is extremely important that everyone who is
concerned about its
> continuance attend this meeting.

The focus of the meeting will be to elect a
> board of directors and an
executive director.  After that, there will be a
> discussion on the
current issues surrounding the Millennium.  The meeting is
> open to the
public.

Please get the word out to everyone you know.  If we have
> a successful
attendance, the Millennium will not only survive, but revive
> and
flourish.  The last public meeting was quite a success.  I wish to
> see
this members meeting build on this accomplishment.

Please contact me at
> this address with any questions and comments.  I
can't wait to see you
> there!

Best,
Jay Hudson

Members Meeting
Millennium Film Workshop
66 E 4th,
> between 2nd and Bowery
7:00pm
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> 5:00pm
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Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera

2011-10-12 Thread Matt Helme 
We may be able to pick-up an old Panavision at a garage sale one day.
Matt

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http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007



From: Alex McCarron 
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera


Please, for the love of god, let's not have another long thread about film's 
obsolescence. 

I would however like to know what this means for the price of second hand 
cameras. Will forces even out? More people will want to dump them but more 
people will also feel the panicked need to pick up the remaining working ones 
or broken ones for parts?

Alex


On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Tom Whiteside  wrote:

It’s an interesting article, and thanks for posting. However, I must ask – how 
many people on Frameworks EVER bought a new Panavision or Aaton camera? Does it 
really make any difference to us if these cameras are no longer manufactured? 
The experimental film community has worked primarily with second hand 
equipment, almost exclusively in what is known as “sub-standard” formats, since 
mid-20th century. I drive a Honda, and if Maserati stopped producing cars today 
it really would not affect my ability to get around town.
> 
>The ongoing obsession with hand-wringing over film obsolescence (inevitable, 
>but not immediate) seems misguided to me, simply a waste of energy. If you 
>look into the future, can you see that you will still have food to eat and 
>water to drink? I loved Kodachrome and it is a pity that I can no longer 
>process the few rolls I recently found in the bottom of a box in my studio, 
>but that is not going to stop me from making motion pictures.  
> 
>-  Tom Whiteside   Durham, NC
> 
>From:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com 
>[mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Lars Fuchs
>Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:55 AM
>
>To: Experimental Film Discussion List
>
>Subject: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera
> 
>This isn't good news. 
> 
>http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/film-fading-to-black
>
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera

2011-10-12 Thread Alex McCarron 
*Please, for the love of god, let's not have another long thread about
film's obsolescence. *

I would however like to know what this means for the price of second hand
cameras. Will forces even out? More people will want to dump them but more
people will also feel the panicked need to pick up the remaining working
ones or broken ones for parts?

Alex

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Tom Whiteside wrote:

>  It’s an interesting article, and thanks for posting. However, I must ask
> – how many people on Frameworks EVER bought a new Panavision or Aaton
> camera? Does it really make any difference to us if these cameras are no
> longer manufactured? The experimental film community has worked primarily
> with second hand equipment, almost exclusively in what is known as
> “sub-standard” formats, since mid-20th century. I drive a Honda, and if
> Maserati stopped producing cars today it really would not affect my ability
> to get around town.
>
> ** **
>
> The ongoing obsession with hand-wringing over film obsolescence
> (inevitable, but not immediate) seems misguided to me, simply a waste of
> energy. If you look into the future, can you see that you will still have
> food to eat and water to drink? I loved Kodachrome and it is a pity that I
> can no longer process the few rolls I recently found in the bottom of a box
> in my studio, but that is not going to stop me from making motion pictures.
>  
>
> ** **
>
> **-  **Tom Whiteside   Durham, NC
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com [mailto:
> frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] *On Behalf Of *Lars Fuchs
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:55 AM
>
> *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List
> *Subject:* [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera
>
>  ** **
>
> This isn't good news. 
>
> ** **
>
> http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/film-fading-to-black
> 
>
> ** **
>
> --
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>
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>
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Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera

2011-10-12 Thread Tom Whiteside 
It's an interesting article, and thanks for posting. However, I must ask - how 
many people on Frameworks EVER bought a new Panavision or Aaton camera? Does it 
really make any difference to us if these cameras are no longer manufactured? 
The experimental film community has worked primarily with second hand 
equipment, almost exclusively in what is known as "sub-standard" formats, since 
mid-20th century. I drive a Honda, and if Maserati stopped producing cars today 
it really would not affect my ability to get around town.

The ongoing obsession with hand-wringing over film obsolescence (inevitable, 
but not immediate) seems misguided to me, simply a waste of energy. If you look 
into the future, can you see that you will still have food to eat and water to 
drink? I loved Kodachrome and it is a pity that I can no longer process the few 
rolls I recently found in the bottom of a box in my studio, but that is not 
going to stop me from making motion pictures.


-  Tom Whiteside   Durham, NC

From: frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com 
[mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Lars Fuchs
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:55 AM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List
Subject: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera

This isn't good news.

http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/film-fading-to-black

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Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera

2011-10-12 Thread Matt Helme 
Has the production of film camera's been phased out in Europe?
 
Matt

http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234


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From: Lars Fuchs 
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:55 AM
Subject: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera


This isn't good news. 
http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/film-fading-to-black

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[Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera

2011-10-12 Thread Lars Fuchs 
This isn't good news.

http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/film-fading-to-black

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[Frameworks] Millennium Film Workshop Members Meeting Sunday October 16, 7:00pm

2011-10-12 Thread Jay Hudson 
Dear All:

This is a reminder that there is a members meeting Sunday, October
16th at 7:00pm at the Millennium Film Workshop, 66 E 4th between
Bowery and 2nd Avenue.  Doors open at 5:00 for those who wish to
register as members.  This meeting is crucial to the survival of the
Millennium Film Workshop, an essential institution for the New York
film community.  It is extremely important that everyone who is
concerned about its continuance attend this meeting.

The focus of the meeting will be to elect a board of directors and an
executive director.  After that, there will be a discussion on the
current issues surrounding the Millennium.  The meeting is open to the
public.

Please get the word out to everyone you know.  If we have a successful
attendance, the Millennium will not only survive, but revive and
flourish.  The last public meeting was quite a success.  I wish to see
this members meeting build on this accomplishment.

Please contact me at this address with any questions and comments.  I
can't wait to see you there!

Best,
Jay Hudson

Members Meeting
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7:00pm
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