[Frameworks] Belson program at Bard this October?

2012-08-26 Thread C Keefer 
Is anyone on the list teaching at Bard College this fall, and/or interested in 
booking the Jordan Belson Retrospective program mid-October at Bard? (16mm and 
video)

The Belson program screens this fall at:

October 14, Harvard Film Archive
October 16, Colgate University
October 20, Whitney Museum, NY (Double feature with our Fischinger 
Retrospective), an afternoon program.

I'll be presenting these programs; more dates tba soon for Toronto (TIFF Light 
Box), Wexner Center, etc.

Cindy Keefer
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Re: [Frameworks] Kodak Is Selling Off Its Legendary Film Business [Photography]

2012-08-26 Thread Jay Hudson 
The motion picture division of Kodak is still profitable at $4M per
year.  ORWO makes about $2M per year.  I think that a buyer would come
forward for the motion picture division.  I know that ORWO itself is
interested.  I spoke to a cinematographer who does commercials and he
says that he is still shooting film a bit.

It looks that film will persist in some form, but probably with
reduced options.  I expend less energy worrying about it.  I just go
on making films.

On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Scott Dorsey  wrote:
> I wouldn't put a penny into Kodak's film division.  But if someone from Orwo
> came to me asking for an investment, I'd be happy to write them a check.
>
> Orwo knows their customers and they know what they want.  Kodak doesn't even
> seem to know their own employees let alone their customers.
> --scott
>
> Disclaimer: I own Fuji stock.
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Re: [Frameworks] PacLab's approach to customer service.

2012-08-26 Thread Cari Machet 
not everyone is going digital and this is not why
that is not an argument that i would align with or make ever

he is probably right he is not desperate for your biz
digital stuff gets screwed up too
this polarized chatter is not healthy
film vs digital
its sad

dont we have anything more to discuss?

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On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Tom Whiteside wrote:

> It starts before the lab! Every roll of film you ever bought had a
> disclaimer on it - if there was something wrong with the film, even if it
> was the manufacturer's fault,  the manufacturer's liability was limited to
> replacement of that film, only. You could not (successfully) sue them for
> the cost of the set you burned for the shot, the hundreds of plane tickets
> purchased to get cast and crew to that location, the millions of dollars
> you had to pay to get the "stars" back for a re-shoot, etc.
>
> In each case - film manufacturing and lab processing - it makes sense.
> "But that was the last picture of my grandfather before he died!"  "Well,
> we can give you a replacement roll of film." It is a harsh reality.
>
> Tom  Durham Cinematheque
>
> -Original Message-
> From: frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com [mailto:
> frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Steven
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:49 AM
> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] PacLab's approach to customer service.
>
> On 8/25/12 12:46 AM, Robert Houllahan wrote:
> > It hard to run a film lab. Mistakes get made.
> >
> When I was in college I read the back of a lab order sheet, it was very
> interesting.
>
> Essentially once you drop off the film the lab could intentionally destroy
> your film, open and expose it to lights, etc. etc. and all they would be
> responsible for was giving you free developing for the amount of film that
> was destroyed.
>
> The images are irreplaceable, and no value can be put on it. imagine if
> the Zapruda film had been mis-developed. Try cashing in on the insurance on
> that one - "Okay, so first we got to get a new president. . ."
> It sucks when the film is destroyed, and Pac lab may not be the lab for
> you, you may not connect with them as you or they wish. Plus we don't know
> the details of the entire conversation - probably no need to share, we've
> all had conversations that end similar to yours - I've had film ruined
> because someone elses film ahead of mine had been spliced badly (by the
> film maker not the lab) and it sucks, heart breaking, so difficult to
> continue on and you just want to blame someone else, never use that camera
> again, blame Kodak, Fuji, even yourself for choosing that path - I still
> will never forgive the neg cutter who gave me a jump cut despite my
> explicit order not to - saved me 50 cents a splice, and I'm sure others
> swore by him, and I could tell you more stories and stories.
>
> Mourn, grieve, find another lab if you can, or if not approach PAC lab,
> and say you want it professional, and take the emotion out of it, and move
> forward.
>
> We all feel your pain, and understand the situation, we've had it happen
> to us, don't let it discourage you.
>
> Best
>
> --
> Steven Gladstone
> New York Based Filmmaker
> 917-886-5858
> http://www.gladstonefilms.com
> http://indiekicker.reelgrok.com/
> http://www.blakehousemovie.com
> http://www.hellion.gladstonefilms.com
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Re: [Frameworks] PacLab's approach to customer service.

2012-08-26 Thread Tom Whiteside 
It starts before the lab! Every roll of film you ever bought had a disclaimer 
on it - if there was something wrong with the film, even if it was the 
manufacturer's fault,  the manufacturer's liability was limited to replacement 
of that film, only. You could not (successfully) sue them for the cost of the 
set you burned for the shot, the hundreds of plane tickets purchased to get 
cast and crew to that location, the millions of dollars you had to pay to get 
the "stars" back for a re-shoot, etc.

In each case - film manufacturing and lab processing - it makes sense. "But 
that was the last picture of my grandfather before he died!"  "Well, we can 
give you a replacement roll of film." It is a harsh reality.

Tom  Durham Cinematheque

-Original Message-
From: frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com 
[mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Steven
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:49 AM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] PacLab's approach to customer service.

On 8/25/12 12:46 AM, Robert Houllahan wrote:
> It hard to run a film lab. Mistakes get made.
>
When I was in college I read the back of a lab order sheet, it was very 
interesting.

Essentially once you drop off the film the lab could intentionally destroy your 
film, open and expose it to lights, etc. etc. and all they would be responsible 
for was giving you free developing for the amount of film that was destroyed.

The images are irreplaceable, and no value can be put on it. imagine if the 
Zapruda film had been mis-developed. Try cashing in on the insurance on that 
one - "Okay, so first we got to get a new president. . ."
It sucks when the film is destroyed, and Pac lab may not be the lab for you, 
you may not connect with them as you or they wish. Plus we don't know the 
details of the entire conversation - probably no need to share, we've all had 
conversations that end similar to yours - I've had film ruined because someone 
elses film ahead of mine had been spliced badly (by the film maker not the lab) 
and it sucks, heart breaking, so difficult to continue on and you just want to 
blame someone else, never use that camera again, blame Kodak, Fuji, even 
yourself for choosing that path - I still will never forgive the neg cutter who 
gave me a jump cut despite my explicit order not to - saved me 50 cents a 
splice, and I'm sure others swore by him, and I could tell you more stories and 
stories.

Mourn, grieve, find another lab if you can, or if not approach PAC lab, and say 
you want it professional, and take the emotion out of it, and move forward.

We all feel your pain, and understand the situation, we've had it happen to us, 
don't let it discourage you.

Best

--
Steven Gladstone
New York Based Filmmaker
917-886-5858
http://www.gladstonefilms.com
http://indiekicker.reelgrok.com/
http://www.blakehousemovie.com
http://www.hellion.gladstonefilms.com

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