Re: [Frameworks] 16mm prints turned pink

[Dominic Angerame]

Alas all of this is true. A Canyon Cinema I found most of the color prints
made in the 70's had turned red. This even happens when the film is never
projected. When I worked at the Encyclopedia Britannica in the early 70's
most of their prints had turned red. I am inspecting the 16mm film
collection at the SF ARt Institute and am finding the same situation with
some prints made during the 70's and some 1980 print.


On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Jeff Kreines  wrote:

> Eastmancolor was very bad in terms of magenta fading.
>
> I’ve seem excellent work scanning faded prints and restoring the color
> (using lots of nodes in Resolve) and doing filmouts (16mm 5K, or 35mm) by
> VFS, now merged with Colorlab.
>
> The trick is to have at least a tiny bit of the missing colors present in
> the scan, to give the software something that it can work with.
>
> > On Dec 17, 2015, at 9:46 PM, Scott Dorsey  wrote:
> >
> > I don't remember whether it had to be slightly acid or slightly basic,
> and
> > it was _just_ a thing with the Agfa/Ansco chemistry which is very
> different
> > (and can be a lot more stable than) the modern Eastman chemistry.  I
> think
> > there is a discussion of it in Mees' book, though.
> > --scott
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Re: [Frameworks] 16mm prints turned pink

[cbifilms]

  I did a pretty good job of colour correcting a red print by shooting it with a video camera set to auto colour balance. The shutter could be adjusted in 10ths to eliminate flicker.  It brought it right back to where it should be colour-wise and was just slightly more muted than the original likely was.  Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.From: Dominic AngerameSent: Friday, December 18, 2015 10:23To: Experimental Film Discussion ListReply To: Experimental Film Discussion ListSubject: Re: [Frameworks] 16mm prints turned pinkAlas all of this is true. A Canyon Cinema I found most of the color prints made in the 70's had turned red. This even happens when the film is never projected. When I worked at the Encyclopedia Britannica in the early 70's most of their prints had turned red. I am inspecting the 16mm film collection at the SF ARt Institute and am finding the same situation with some prints made during the 70's and some 1980 print.On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Jeff Kreines  wrote:Eastmancolor was very bad in terms of magenta fading.

I’ve seem excellent work scanning faded prints and restoring the color (using lots of nodes in Resolve) and doing filmouts (16mm 5K, or 35mm) by VFS, now merged with Colorlab.

The trick is to have at least a tiny bit of the missing colors present in the scan, to give the software something that it can work with.

> On Dec 17, 2015, at 9:46 PM, Scott Dorsey  wrote:
>
> I don't remember whether it had to be slightly acid or slightly basic, and
> it was _just_ a thing with the Agfa/Ansco chemistry which is very different
> (and can be a lot more stable than) the modern Eastman chemistry.  I think
> there is a discussion of it in Mees' book, though.
> --scott
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Jeff Kreines
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Re: [Frameworks] 16mm prints turned pink

[cbifilms]

  I did a pretty good job of colour correcting a red print by shooting it with a video camera set to auto white balance. The shutter could be adjusted in 10ths to eliminate flicker.  It brought it right back to where it should be colour-wise and was just slightly more muted than the original likely was.  Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Rogers network.From: Dominic AngerameSent: Friday, December 18, 2015 10:23To: Experimental Film Discussion ListReply To: Experimental Film Discussion ListSubject: Re: [Frameworks] 16mm prints turned pinkAlas all of this is true. A Canyon Cinema I found most of the color prints made in the 70's had turned red. This even happens when the film is never projected. When I worked at the Encyclopedia Britannica in the early 70's most of their prints had turned red. I am inspecting the 16mm film collection at the SF ARt Institute and am finding the same situation with some prints made during the 70's and some 1980 print.On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Jeff Kreines  wrote:Eastmancolor was very bad in terms of magenta fading.

I’ve seem excellent work scanning faded prints and restoring the color (using lots of nodes in Resolve) and doing filmouts (16mm 5K, or 35mm) by VFS, now merged with Colorlab.

The trick is to have at least a tiny bit of the missing colors present in the scan, to give the software something that it can work with.

> On Dec 17, 2015, at 9:46 PM, Scott Dorsey  wrote:
>
> I don't remember whether it had to be slightly acid or slightly basic, and
> it was _just_ a thing with the Agfa/Ansco chemistry which is very different
> (and can be a lot more stable than) the modern Eastman chemistry.  I think
> there is a discussion of it in Mees' book, though.
> --scott
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Jeff Kreines
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Re: [Frameworks] 16mm prints turned pink

[Zach Poff]

 

I've been pleasantly surprised by how much color I can restore from
magenta prints using careful RGB back-lighting and Adobe Premiere's
curves. There's an example here (scroll down a bit).
http://www.zachpoff.com/diy-resources/16mm-film-to-hd-transfer-system 

Not exactly pretty but it's a lot more watchable than the original. (In
this case the capture device is a mirrorless still camera, so I expect
that the increased resolution and color depth of a professional scan
would open up more possibilities.)  

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