Re: [Frameworks] FLAME ON!!!
Exactly what's the point of it? Just to use the cameras? They're not that great, and what they can do well needs super 8. It's pointless. Also, exactly when were S8 cartridges unavailable? They're still around. -Original Message- From: Aaron F. Ross aa...@digitalartsguild.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Thu, Feb 20, 2014 12:27 am Subject: Re: [Frameworks] FLAME ON!!! Interesting idea, although there's no reason why it should be limited to 720p. Except cost, I guess. But yeah, there are a lot of really good Super-8 cameras out there that would be rejuvenated by such a gadget. Aaron At 2/19/2014, you wrote: http://hayesurban.com/current-projects/2012/3/14/digital-super-8.htmlhttp://hayesurban.com/current-projects/2012/3/14/digital-super-8.html Ken http://www.maddancementalhealthfilmtrilogy.comwww.maddancementalhealthfilmtrilogy.com www.kenpaulrosenthal.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Aaron F. Ross, artist and educator http://dr-yo.com http://digitalartsguild.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] question about fees for permission to use material
Unless it's super-vital, write your own narration as a replacement. Fair Use would only kick in if you were citing the article in a criticism, review or parody. Is the author absolutely sure that the NYT owns the copyright? Oftentimes the rights revert back to the outside author upon publication. $800 btw sounds like what would be charged for non-commercial use. It's quite reasonable, considering, but of course, it's not really possible. -Original Message- From: Francisco Torres fjtorre...@gmail.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Thu, Feb 20, 2014 1:05 pm Subject: Re: [Frameworks] question about fees for permission to use material If you modify it ''substantially'' it becomes a different text. Think William Burroughs... On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Caryn Cline carynycl...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Frameworkers, I’m writing to ask your advice. I’m working on a short handmade, experimentalfilm that takes as its “script” a slightly modified version of an essay I foundin the New York Times, which I planto use as a voiceover narration on the soundtrack. I wrote to the author to ask his permissionto use it, which he gladly gave with this caveat: everything he writes for thepaper is owned by them. He gave me the nameof someone to contact at the paper, who sent me to the paper’s licensing people.I decided to follow that lead, to see where it went. [I have not had good luck with trying to getpermission for a reasonable fee before, but I decided to try, as anexperience.] Well, needless to say the people who license for the Times want me to pay them what I regardas way too much money for the use of the essay--$800 for rights for festivals,galleries, streaming, broadcast, etc.—for the life of the title. As you know, it is difficult to communicateto people in these positions that there is absolutely no commercial value inthe film.The money is about 1/3 of my overallbudget. Some of my handmade film buddies advised me toforget about the permission and just use it anyway, but I feel funny aboutdoing that now, and as one friend who works in the business cautioned: myproject and I are on their radar now. ShouldI try to talk them down? (Theyoriginally asked for $1300, so this is a considerable reduction from outrageouslyexpensive to merely quite expensive.) ShouldI claim “fair use,” and use the text anyway? What are the chances that theywould come after me?I’d appreciate any advice or hearing aboutyour own experiences with this. Manythanks. CC -- Caryn Cline co-producer, Acts of Witness www.actsofwitness.com vimeo.com/carynyc ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] self-promotion department
$79 is still cheap for a university press or academic title. We're so used to seeing them remaindered that we don't realize how expensive they are. It's why good libraries can't stock everything any more! carli...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Scott MacDonald smacd...@hamilton.edu To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Wed, Jun 12, 2013 8:56 am Subject: [Frameworks] self-promotion department Dear Frameworkers, I'm hoping some of you might be interested in a new book of mine that has just been published by University of California Press. It is (excuse the pretentious title--it wasn't my choice, but these days university presses have control of titles) American Ethnographic Film and Personal Documentary: The Cambridge Turn. The book focuses on the work (and the artistry) of a number of documentary filmmakers who have emerged over the past half-century in Cambridge, Massachusetts (mostly from within what was the MIT Film Section and from Harvard's Film Study Center and Visual and Environmental Studies Department): among them, John Marshall, Robert Gardner, Timothy Asch, Ed Pincus, Miriam Weinstein, Alfred Guzzetti, Richard Rogers, Ross McElwee, Robb Moss, Nina Davenport, John Gianvito, Amie Siegel, Jeff Daniel Silva, Lucien Castaing-Taylor, JP Sniadecki, Stephanie Spray, and Verena Paravel. I make a point of elaborating on some of the many interconnections between what is usually called avant-garde film and those films I discuss in detail. Unfortunately, the book is over-priced (the Press tells me $39.00 is a normal price for a book of this size, but it seems extravagant to me)--I'm sorry about this. But hopefully, the book will be of use to some of you. Best Regards, Scott Scott MacDonald ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] ESC bulbs
Did you try Spectra in North Hollywood? Is Chambless still around, in Georgia? Does the GS-1200 take ESC? -Original Message- From: Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Thu, May 9, 2013 2:38 pm Subject: Re: [Frameworks] ESC bulbs Thanks! On 5/9/13 11:51 AM, Madison Brookshire mbrooksh...@gmail.com wrote: JD Audio Visual in Pasadena is looking into whether they can order ESC right now, but from the sound of Buck's reply, they might not have any luck. You can also try General Camera: http://www.generalcamera.net/ GENERAL CAMERA REPAIR 2218 E. Colorado Blvd Pasadena, Ca 91107 2 Blocks West of Sierra Madre Blvd We are on the South side of Colorado Cross Street is Grand Oaks TEL: 626-449-4533 FAX: 626-449-7472 On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:25 AM, 40 Frames i...@40frames.org wrote: Adam, Have you tried any of the ones listed here... http://www.16mmdirectory.org/projectors/lamps Alain On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org wrote: And I just found out that Bulbtronics in Burbank no longer has them, and says they can no longer get them. Best, Adam On 5/9/13 10:02 AM, Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org wrote: Sorry, I meant GS-1200. On 5/9/13 9:57 AM, Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org wrote: Hi, Anyone have recommended sources for ESC bulbs for an Elmo GL-1200 super8mm projector, ideally in Los Angeles, but I’ll go for the USA if possible? Best, Adam ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] ESC bulbs
Just checked Chambless-- yes, the ESC has been 'delisted.' Apparently too some of the ESC's over the years have been ELJs re-branded, so it's an acceptable substitute. Yeah, that guy has them for like $14, but they might be ELJs according to some people. The 8mm Forum boys may have a good solution for this. carli...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Thu, May 9, 2013 4:51 pm Subject: Re: [Frameworks] ESC bulbs Hi, Yes, the ESC is the preferred bulb, (thus, the subject line of my email) and it appears the ELJ is an acceptable substitute. I haven’t tried either of those. I did buy 4 ESC bulbs from replacementlightbulbs.com in North Carolina, and we shall see if that comes through. Best, Adam On 5/9/13 4:43 PM, carli...@aol.com carli...@aol.com wrote: Did you try Spectra in North Hollywood? Is Chambless still around, in Georgia? Does the GS-1200 take ESC? -Original Message- From: Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Thu, May 9, 2013 2:38 pm Subject: Re: [Frameworks] ESC bulbs Thanks! On 5/9/13 11:51 AM, Madison Brookshire mbrooksh...@gmail.com wrote: JD Audio Visual in Pasadena is looking into whether they can order ESC right now, but from the sound of Buck's reply, they might not have any luck. You can also try General Camera: http://www.generalcamera.net/ GENERAL CAMERA REPAIR 2218 E. Colorado Blvd Pasadena, Ca 91107 2 Blocks West of Sierra Madre Blvd We are on the South side of Colorado Cross Street is Grand Oaks TEL: 626-449-4533 FAX: 626-449-7472 On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:25 AM, 40 Frames i...@40frames.org wrote: Adam, Have you tried any of the ones listed here... http://www.16mmdirectory.org/projectors/lamps Alain On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org wrote: And I just found out that Bulbtronics in Burbank no longer has them, and says they can no longer get them. Best, Adam On 5/9/13 10:02 AM, Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org wrote: Sorry, I meant GS-1200. On 5/9/13 9:57 AM, Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org wrote: Hi, Anyone have recommended sources for ESC bulbs for an Elmo GL-1200 super8mm projector, ideally in Los Angeles, but I’ll go for the USA if possible? Best, Adam ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___FrameWorks mailing listFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comhttps://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] LA summer sublet
In a pinch, I think you can rent dorm rooms during the summer at UCLA. At last you used to be able to-- a great location of course. The best. You might also be able to sneak into the film class showings on campus, too-- or ask the professors. -Original Message- From: Haley Markbreiter hmarkbrei...@gmail.com To: frameworks frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Mon, May 6, 2013 5:35 pm Subject: [Frameworks] LA summer sublet Hello. My name is Haley Markbreiter. I'm the programming chair at Doc Films (http://docfilms.uchicago.edu/dev/), a student-run cinematheque operating out of the University of Chicago. We have seven repertory programs a week, with prints -- and audience members -- from around the world. Anyway. I'll be in LA this summer, working in the script department at River Road Entertainment. I've been looking for a place to rent, but haven't had any luck. I'll be in LA from late June to mid-September, and it would just be great to live with -- or, at least, be in contact with -- someone who really loves movies, and can show me where to see something good. So, if you have a place -- or know someone who does -- please let me know. Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it. Have a good night. from, Haley ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation
Well, it's right here, so we can see for ourselves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1XNWrUP1u4 A friend of mine saw it last year in New York, and she says she still hasn't recovered! -Original Message- From: Jonathan Walley wall...@denison.edu To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 5:46 am Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation I don't think it's a reach at all to say that BaF can induce dizziness or disorientation; calling the film static, and implicitly likening its camera movement to that of WAVELENGTH, is quite misleading. The frenetic quality of BaF's camera movement is totally different from the staid zooming of WAVELENGTH, and thus creates perceptual effects that are distinct from the earlier film. And whether the camera position only moves once is beside the point - that may be the case (though I'm not convinced that the actual position of the camera changes only once in BaF), but certainly the extent to which a film might cause perceptual disorientation or physical effects like dizziness isn't solely a matter of camera position. There is no camera position at all in THE FLICKER, but that film surely causes those sorts of effects. BaF was indeed discussed in terms of its disorienting effects on perception at the time of its release - see Manny Farber's ARTFORUM review from 1970, or Peter Gidal's discussion of the film in STRUCTURAL FILM ANTHOLOGY. At the very least, there is general agreement that, at its most accelerated, the panning interferes with the viewer's ability to perceive depth in the image, and to discern the individual bodies and objects in the frame. This might not be dizziness, but it seems perfectly accurate to call it disorientation. Jonathan On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Peter Mudie peter.mu...@uwa.edu.au wrote: Geez, Mike Snow's Back and Forth has nothing to do with 'dizziness' or 'disorientation'. There is a room, four windows, a door and some people doing things – the camera position only moves once (just after the beginning). In terms of phenomena it is remarkably 'static'. Ask yourself, is Wavelength 'about' 'horizontal vertigo'? Yikes. If you're in Wien then check out Kurt's material with Günter Brus and Otto's films. Peter Michael Snow's Back and Forth would be the best example I can think of off the top of my head. On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Anderwald + Grond cont...@anderwald-grond.at wrote: Dear frameworkers, We are currently conceiving a research project, including film screenings, on the phenomenon of Dizziness/Disorientation seen as a resource for thought and artistic practice. Could you please recommend theory writings or artists' films and videos? Thank you! Ruth + Leo - Ruth Anderwald + Leonhard Grond ++43 699 10984551 Schüttelstr. 21/14 1020 Vienna cont...@anderwald-grond.at http://www.anderwald-grond.at follow on twitter @anderwaldgrond http://www.hasenherz.at ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Patrick Brennan patrick.brennan...@gmail.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Jonathan Walley Associate Professor Department of Cinema Denison University wall...@denison.edu ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation
Yes, that's a doozy. Flicker by Tony Conrad would also be on the list. Anthology just showed Back and Forth a week or two ago. Did anybody last? -Original Message- From: Patrick Brennan patrick.brennan...@gmail.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:37 am Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation Michael Snow's Back and Forth would be the best example I can think of off the top of my head. On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Anderwald + Grond cont...@anderwald-grond.at wrote: Dear frameworkers, We are currently conceiving a research project, including film screenings, on the phenomenon of Dizziness/Disorientation seen as a resource for thought and artistic practice. Could you please recommend theory writings or artists' films and videos? Thank you! Ruth + Leo - Ruth Anderwald + Leonhard Grond ++43 699 10984551 Schüttelstr. 21/14 1020 Vienna cont...@anderwald-grond.at http://www.anderwald-grond.at follow on twitter @anderwaldgrond http://www.hasenherz.at ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Patrick Brennan patrick.brennan...@gmail.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] George Kuchar Essay
FYI, Lenny Lipton also wrote a nice piece about him some time back: http://lennylipton.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/george-kuchar/ J. Carlile -Original Message- From: Gene Youngblood ato...@comcast.net To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Thu, Jan 31, 2013 3:47 pm Subject: Re: [Frameworks] George Kuchar Essay Ken, Thanks so much for your lovely remembrance of George. It’s very moving. I will probably want to quote from it in my book on him, cover design attached. Gene From: Ken Paul Rosenthal Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:39 PM To: Frameworks Postings Subject: [Frameworks] George Kuchar Essay I've uploaded the full version of my essay, 'Reflections on George Kuchar' to my website: http://www.kenpaulrosenthal.com/kuchar.htm In/joyKen http://www.crookedbeauty.com http://www.crookedbeautythefilm.com http://www.maddancementalhealthfilmtrilogy.com http://www.kenpaulrosenthal.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2639/5570 - Release Date: 01/31/13 ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Tri x blow up 35mm
Sure-- it can look great. So can super 8. For a great example of both 8 and 16 to 35 in Tri-X, check out the movie about designer Isaac Mizrahi called 'Unzipped.' I believe they were all optical blowups. -Original Message- From: Shumona Goel shumonag...@gmail.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 2:54 pm Subject: [Frameworks] Tri x blow up 35mm Hey Frameworks, Does anyone know whether it's possible to blow up 16mm tri x reversal to 35mm negative? Thanks for your help, Shumona ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Optical soundtrack printing
I think Fotokem still does it. -Original Message- From: Shona Masarin shonamasa...@hotmail.com To: frameworks frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:49 pm Subject: [Frameworks] Optical soundtrack printing Hello all, I'm wondering if anyone can recommend a lab that prints 16mm optical soundtracks in North America? Even better, in NYC... I've never done this before, so I'm wondering what would be involved in the preparation and work-flow? I have a contact printer that enables me to print the optical track separately, so I'm considering completing some steps myself to save $$. Any ideas and recommendations would be greatly appreciated! Shona - Shona Masarin www.shonamasarin.com http://ghostlinesproject.tumblr.com/Film ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] films featuring projectionists
Of course The Blob, if it hasn't been mentioned yet. -Original Message- From: Jason Halprin jihalp...@yahoo.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Mon, Jan 7, 2013 7:19 am Subject: Re: [Frameworks] films featuring projectionists Off the top of my head: Sherlock Jr. Hellzapoppin' Things to Do in Denver When You're Dead Inglorius Basterds Fight Club Gremlins Purple Rose of Cairo From: Pigott, Michael michael.pig...@warwick.ac.uk To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 8:55 AM Subject: [Frameworks] films featuring projectionists Hello there, I'm trying to compile a list of films featuring projectionists or projection boothes. So far it feels like there's a lot less that I thought there was, so I wondered if anybody had any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Michael ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Films that utilize the zoom lens?
Altman's 'The Long Goodbye.' It kind of invented the wandering camera look that's become so annoying today. I remember Walkabout has a lot of interesting zoom shots. And Easy Rider is very zoomy! -Ian Wood Filmmaker carli...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Ian Wood catfishw...@hotmail.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 10:28 am Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Films that utilize the zoom lens? I remember Walkabout has a lot of interesting zoom shots. And Easy Rider is very zoomy! -Ian Wood Filmmaker Sent from my iPhone On Jan 5, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Jen Proctor proctor.jenni...@gmail.com wrote: Nearly all of Kubrick's films. A lot of Tarantino, too. On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 11:09 AM, David Tetzlaff djte...@gmail.com wrote: The car chase in Bullit ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Jennifer Proctor Assistant Professor, Journalism and Screen Studies Department of Language, Culture, and Communication University of Michigan-Dearborn http://www.casl.umd.umich.edu/index.php?id=685157 http://jenniferproctor.com http://lostinlight.org ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Super 16 - Bolex H 16
What they mean is that it's single-perf stock, so just check to see if your Bolex can run it-- the really old ones cannot (pre 1950 or so). There's a specific serial number cut-off which I can't recall now, but it can be easily found at many Bolex websites. Dear Friends, I have a Bolex H16. I have always used normal 16mm stock to shoot with this camera. However, Kodak (India) says that they can only import super 16mm black and white stock. I wanted to make sure it is possible for me to use Super 16mm stock with my bolex before ordering the same. Thanks for any guidance, Shumona ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] ektachrome 100d r.i.p.
I find it hard to believe that they will make more, unless there's a few frozen rolls around somewhere. Who said this? BTW, who's going to the Jonas Mekas Birthday Party at Anthology? It is confirmed, as you all know by now, that Kodak has discontinued Ektachrome. According to Beverly, our rep in L.A., the existing supply is already sold out, but more orders will continue to be taken. Anybody trying to order it now will be told the stock is on backorder, and in January they'll produce more to fulfill all of those orders. This is in part an attempt to be fair and prevent a few individuals from snapping up all the remaining supply and hoarding or reselling it at exorbitant rates. But I would order NOW if I were you. carli...@aol.com -Original Message- From: zach vonjoo zu...@yahoo.com To: frameworks frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Thu, Dec 13, 2012 8:59 am Subject: Re: [Frameworks] ektachrome 100d r.i.p. It is indeed very distressing that there will be no more reversal color film in the world. I wonder what it would take to manufacture a new stock independently, alla Impossible Project. Any ideas? Wondering, does all ektachrome use the E-6 process? Curious about using old expired film. I don't usually chance this, as I have had poor results in the past, but seeing as how stock is going to be limited... From a friend-of-a-friend in the know: It is confirmed, as you all know by now, that Kodak has discontinued Ektachrome. According to Beverly, our rep in L.A., the existing supply is already sold out, but more orders will continue to be taken. Anybody trying to order it now will be told the stock is on backorder, and in January they'll produce more to fulfill all of those orders. This is in part an attempt to be fair and prevent a few individuals from snapping up all the remaining supply and hoarding or reselling it at exorbitant rates. But I would order NOW if I were you. Time to finish up those projects. Best, Zach --- On Wed, 12/12/12, frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com wrote: From: frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: FrameWorks Digest, Vol 31, Issue 12 To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 10:01 AM Send FrameWorks mailing list submissions to frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com You can reach the person managing the list at frameworks-ow...@jonasmekasfilms.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of FrameWorks digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Call for Submissions: Black Box @ Edinburgh International Film Festival (Walter Ungerer) 2. Re: flickering (John Woods) 3. Torture Project (jaime cleeland) 4. Error message (Walter Ungerer) 5. ektachrome 100d r.i.p. (Paul Krimmer) 6. Re: flickering (Jason Halprin) 7. Re: flickering (Scott Dorsey) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:48:56 -0500 From: Walter Ungerer w...@roadrunner.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Call for Submissions: Black Box @ Edinburgh International Film Festival To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Message-ID: 50c78e28.6080...@roadrunner.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Kim, Could I get a fee waiver from you for the EIFF? Take care, Walter Ungerer On 08December/2012 9:13 AM, Kim Knowles wrote: Dear Frameworkers, *CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS:* *67th EDINBURGH INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL JUNE 19 - 30 2013* BLACK BOX (EXPERIMENTAL SECTION) DEADLINE: MONDAY FEBRUARY 18 EIFF is currently seeking submissions for its experimental section *BLACK BOX*. Short and medium-length works on any format. As always, Black Box supports and encourages works on film - we have a super-dedicated team of projectionists and excellent 16mm and 35mm facilities. We also do our best to cater for screenings requiring multiple projectors. 2013 also sees the introduction of BLACK BOX LIVE, an evening of expanded performance. Fee waivers apply for FrameworkS subscribers so if you'd like to submit a film or propose a project please contact me directly at kim.know...@edfilmfest.org.uk. Looking forward to receiving your new works. Kim Knowles Experimental Film Programmer Edinburgh International Film Festival ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:
Re: [Frameworks] Production Code
In a message dated 10/29/2012 11:31:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, chuck...@northwestern.edu writes: I really don't think this activity by labs had anything to do with the Production Code. Rather it had to do with criminal law and existing statutes on obscene and pornographic image material. To fail to turn this material over to police was itself a criminal act. As indeed, today, it is required that all such labs in the US, alert legal authroities if still and moving image material of children in sexual situations is discovered. Chuck Kleinhans Yes, it was a variety of laws. The cops would also do sting operations. The LAPD and Burbank PD drove the old Hollywood Valley Film Labs out of business in the late 70s. They'd been doing 16mm porn for years. I think it was the bulk of their work after a while! ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Seeking recommendations for service on Beaulieu cameras
In a message dated 10/26/2012 2:51:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, christinelucylati...@gmail.com writes: David, I just had my Beaulieu R16 repaired by Jean-Louis Seguin (Montreal), who did a great job. I know he's not in the States, but I thought it would be worth mentioning to you as a reliable option. Email me off-list for his contact info if you're interested! -Christine Lucy Or Bernie at Super 16, in upper New York state. People also swear by Bjorn in Europe. He has all the parts. What kind of Beaulieu is it?___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Recommended splicer for both 16mm and 8mm cuts?
The Bolex is much cheaper and more easily found. It will work on both 16mm and 8mm. In a message dated 9/12/2012 2:57:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jawood...@yahoo.ca writes: Hi Meg, the Maier-Hancock is probably the best available and were popular among professionals. Though the 816-S model is somewhat rare to come across, the regular model is pretty common. I think I have one available that I could sell you cheaply though the shipping from Canada would be horrendously expensive as the M-H splicers are very large and heavy! There are quite a few smaller cement splicers available on eBay, the Griswold ones are more compact and are of good quality. John ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] broken sekonic light meter
In a message dated 8/17/2012 6:59:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lyra@gmail.com writes: Just making sure all hope is lost, before I buy a new one: My analog Sekonic light meter (oldish version of this: _http://www.sekonic.com/Products/L-398A/Overview.aspx_ (http://www.sekonic.com/Products/L-398A/Overview.aspx) ) stopped working after somebody dropped it (the memory is too painful to accept full blame). It runs off of a photocell, battery free. Is it really a goner? Or is there some magician out there who knocks photocells back into place? -Lyra If he's still around: QUALITY LIGHT METRIC CO. 7095 Hollywood Blvd. #550, Hollywood, CA 90028 Phone: 323-467-2265___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Please help
In a message dated 7/25/2012 9:45:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, j...@jacktext.net writes: the quote I was commenting on was talking about Frameworks as a professional forum that should not be hijacked by humorous emails. CLEARLY the avant-garde is absolutely filled with humour and pranks and fun, but you wouldn't know it if you read the comment. I was being sarcastic, pretty evident given my subsequent quote from Alfred Jarry, a man who's work repeatedly mocked seriousness and self-importance. Jack Oh, ok. The problem I had with the original was, that ... it wasn't funny. Or creative or clever or anything else. It just sat there.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Interesting (?) Question
In a message dated 7/2/2012 10:03:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, djte...@gmail.com writes: In 1980, an upright Moviola would have been all but worthless. Lord, those things were awful compared to a flatbed. A 6 plate Moviola flatbed in good condition might have been worth, I dunno, maybe $1000. On the other hand, used splicers and rewinds weren't that expensive in 1980 and haven't lost that much of their value. With that equipment list, the premise just doesn't work very well. The heyday of value for 16mm post stuff probably starts to poop out circa 1975, so it wasn't that expensive by 1980, and some of it is still used by people who deal with prints. I'm not sure what planet you were on in 1980, but a regular Moviola in good shape would have sold for about $2,000. Splicers were also very expensive-- used Guillotines would have been at least $300, and for hot splicers add about $200 more. Flatbeds would have gone for $3,000- 4,000 minimum, probably a lot more-- if indeed you could find a used one. They were in big demand. No digital in 1980. Film was still king. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Hand-cranking 16mm projector?
A mid 1930s Kodatoy. Cheap, effective and plentiful. Good 16mm mechanism, well-built, and not a bad looking image. I've seen them used as optical printers. In a message dated 6/13/2012 10:24:07 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ke...@videohaiku.com writes: Hello! I'm working on an installation project, and wondering if there's such a thing as a basic hand-cranking 16mm projector, available for sale, or as something I could strip down from an existing projector. I'm mostly interested in the frame-advance mechanism - I don't need it to have any kind of bulb or motor. Any information / leads / ideas would be very much appreciated! Thanks, Kevin Obsatz www.videohaiku.com _ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] film analysis
In a message dated 5/18/2012 6:39:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ato...@comcast.net writes: Friends, What would you cite as the most detailed and comprehensive analysis ever written about the form and content one filmmaker’s total body of work? Truffaut's Hitchcock? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Any good cinema bookstores in NYC?
Does anyone know of any cine-specialty bookstores in New York City? I'm thinking something along the lines of like Larry Edmunds in LA. Mostly movies, great selection.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Celluloid Editing
The best 16mm-specific book that I know of is by Hugh Churchill: _http://books.google.com/books/about/Film_editing_handbook.html?id=zuBTM AAJ_ (http://books.google.com/books/about/Film_editing_handbook.html?id=zuBTMAAJ) Very good. For Super 8, an all-round good source of information is the 'Handbook of Super 8 Production.' Either edition. Lenny Lipton's good too on the narrative angle of what it's all about.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Lucas and supporting the avant-garde
In a message dated 3/1/2012 12:26:41 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, kee...@earthlink.net writes: re the posts on Lucas and institutions supporting the avant-garde - George Lucas, along with Martin Scorsese, Woody Allen, Francis Ford Coppola, Stanley Kubrick, George Lucas, Sydney Pollack, Robert Redford and Steven Spielberg are the founders of The Film Foundation, dedicated to ensuring the survival of the American film heritage. The Film Foundation funds the Avant-Garde Masters Grants for film preservation, which are administered by The National Film Preservation Foundation. Establishment. Tokenism Lucas once said he wanted to make great films. He had big ideas. A few years ago in Vanity Fair he lamented his failure to do so, and said he was making amends. So what happened? Where are HIS grants?___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] more on the Academy
In a message dated 2/29/2012 10:24:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, a...@lafilmforum.org writes: George Lucas was a big admirer of Arthur Lipsett since his days at USC citing him as an influence yet when he made millions in 1977 he did not offer one penny to him. Lipsett died destitute some ten years larter. That is Hollywood to you. Coppola used to say that Lucas was always incredibly cheap. He'd never spend his own money on films, nor would he try to use his personal contacts to get deals for a production he was involved in, if they ever needed it. Schmuck. And his post-75 films look it, too. He's an artistic failure for sure. Space operas are his legacy? How sad. And btw, whatever happened to that desire of his (a la Vanity Fair) to grow again as an artist, to recover some of his old steam from the late 60s? Imagine having that much money and then doing nothing with it.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] more on the Academy
In a message dated 2/29/2012 9:16:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, jihalp...@yahoo.com writes: But I'm guessing Lucas was also influenced by Frank Capra, John Huston, and Charles Dickens. Should he be faulted for not offering one penny to those folks? Yes. What else is money for? The problem with Lucas is that he WENT ON RECORD back in the early 70s as wanting to do all of these great things when he could. Yet he never did. Ever seen Gene Youngblood's old NET show with him? It's evidence.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars
In a message dated 2/27/2012 5:36:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, sst...@hi-beam.net writes: It was a pleasant surprise to see George Kuchar in the memorial sequence in last night's Oscars. -s Yes, and Leacock too. Although I wish they'd shown film of the people in action. That's always very touching.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] canyon in the news (bad news dept)
In a message dated 2/19/2012 9:28:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, pa...@ithaca.edu writes: So far, all we have is the same-old same-old line: the co-ops are in trouble and its up to the academics to save them by ponying up more money. That is not going to work. Not even close. That's the box we need to get out of. If you think that getting out of that box is to 'write an obituary for film,' then I submit your concept of 'film' is patently absurd. If academics can save a bunch of old books together and call it a research library, then why can't they save a bunch of old films for distribution purposes? Who else is going to care? Maybe we should start throwing out all those silly old books, too.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] canyon in the news (bad news dept)
In a message dated 2/17/2012 10:01:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, djte...@gmail.com writes: And if you think things might get 'better,' I think you're kidding yourself. Because this is all about forces that are much larger than our little experimental film scene and have been rolling down the hills of history for well over 35 years. (Of course film prints wear out, fewer and fewer print stocks are available, labs are closing down...) So, what is too be done? It's time to think outside the box, go back to square one, ask ourself what REALLY matters here, and figure out how best to achieve those ends in the real world of America 2012... ___ Way too cynical. Plus, video isn't film, art has always needed benefactors, and who cares what students think today? Any film student who resents film is a moron. Let them study their videos.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Ektasound 245b
In a message dated 2/10/2012 6:44:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ekremser...@gmail.com writes: Anybody have one of these Super 8 characters? I got one that seems to be in decent condition, but the internals are making horrible screechy noises, the films keeps getting bunched up in the space below the gate (thankfully it auto-shuts before it shreds), and the takeup reel refuses to spin sometimes too. Yes! I know, just get another one, etc. but perhaps these problems are common ones that can be fixed-ish...? -- ekrem serdar austin, tx Check out this place: _http://www.kodakparts.com/KodakMD.html_ (http://www.kodakparts.com/KodakMD.html) They fix them.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Canon 1014XL-S/ 814XL-S problems with 100D film stock
In a message dated 2/9/2012 12:15:41 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mabaluf...@gmail.com writes: Hi I have had the same problem with my S800 and my NIZO BAUER. Friends have pronblemas with other cameras. Is it a problem of film cartridges 100d? Hitting the cartridge several times before shooting. If you get stuck and re-tap. Not an uncommon problem, there is a fix for it thanks to Martin B: _http://www.cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=52896_ (http://www.cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=52896) Regarding the other issue, of the EK100D film being thicker and running rougher etc. This has also been an issue many times with the previous EK64T as well. A similar situation can occur with FOMAPAN R-100, which normally is not available in Super 8mm cartridges but can be custom loaded that way privately. As with any Super 8mm film cartridge film sticking or jumpiness incamera problem, a nice wipe of the film gate with a clean cotton flannel cloth moistened with pure Silicone will solve that. Should a cartridge give further problems, pull the film out of the cartridge gate so you can wipe the pressure plate with Silicone as well. That has cured 99% of any problem I've ever had with cartridges being problematic that way. Super 8mm film cartridges will jam for a small variety of reasons: [1]. High humidity present in environment upon opening of foil seal pack, causing film emulsion to swell like a sponge...that part that's exposed in the cartridge gate. This will usually cause a film to jam right at the beginning. SOLUTION: pull the film downward and rotate the takeup core clockwise to take up the slack. If very humid, make sure to wipe film gate with Siliconeif a deep film chamber such as a rear loading camera (which the NIZO is), you can just GENEROUSLY wipe the exposed film surface with Silicone and it will wipe the camera gate when you reinsert it. [2]. Film jamming from using the Film Rewind, Double Exposure, or Lap Dissolve function on a camera. What happens is the film will jam, either because the rewind function was begung too early in the cartridge (wait until at least 5 feet of film has been run) or too late in the cartridge (don't inititate a film rewind within the last 5 to 10 feet of a cartridge's remaining film length). SOLUTION: Take up any film slack by rotating the film takeup core clockwise, if no slackthen depress the Pressure Plate in the cartridge by using a small screwdriver or tweezers to either side of the film...and while holding it in, pull the film downward. Do this for a few inches of film, sometimes it has to be done for as much as a foot of filmthen keep taking up the slack by rotating the film takeup core clockwise. NOTE: Should the film NOT pull down due to a severe jamdo NOT force it then. The film could just break. Notify the lab of a film jam in this situation when sending it in for processing. [3]. Film jam caused a film pull-down to takup core rotation problem.or by using high running speeds in a given camera ( Slow Motion ), in which the film takeup core isn't rotating fast enough to keep up with the film fed to it from the cartridge gate, so it overslacks into the takeup chamber side of the cartridge. This either manifests itself via a full jam, or if shot at normal running speeds of 18fps or 24fps, can just cause the film to jitter while it's running. SOLUTION: remove cartridge from the camera and wind up the excessive slack in the cartridge by rotating the film takeup core clockwise until the film is taunt. Do NOT force the film too tightly. If the problem persists on a given camera, then use the film in another camera instead and/or avoid using the Slow Motion feature on that given camera causing the problem (IF the problem only happens in the Slow Motion mode setting). [4]. Film manufacturing problem regarding sprocket holes (perforations) or a faulty cartridge where film is not unspooling from the supply side smoothly due to a warped or jammed Slip Disc (thin plastic disc the film sits on and rotates as it feeds) or a jammed or popped-off or otherwise damaged film feed roller which is just above the film gate where the film turns over on so it's emulsion side out as it runs thru the film gate. Any cartridge related problem requires opening the cartridge to assess the problem, resetting the film in the fixed cartridge or another one, and then sealing up the cartridge. ADDENUM: There's another way to fix jammed Super 8m Cartridges, but it is involved and requires opening up the cartridge and resetting the film correctly so it will run. If the jam occurred early enough before main filming, it's best to just rewind the entire film load and reload it into a good working cartridge. I know what you're thinking, where does one get this done. PPS does this type of service herebut if you do your own
Re: [Frameworks] seeking double perf film
Maybe Spectra can order some up, and then ship it to you? It would actually be rather easy for them to do this-- they can just run down to the Hollywood distribution center and pick anything up for you, and then send it on its way to Ireland. Or even have it delivered to them. Hollywood has everything in stock-- but remember, there are some minimum quantities on most double-perf. I think your best bet would be the acetate b/w print film. It's cheaper too, and I don't think there's a minimum. That and some of the other b/w lab stocks will soon be history, I fear, so stock up. B/w print film can also be reversed to produce a projectable image, just like Tri-X. It has a low ASA though. Kodak used to supply an acetate sound film but I believe it was recently discontinued, with Estar the only alternative. Their high-contrast titling film is good also, and useful for many purposes. BTW, do you know the pitch of your high-speed camera? You might be in luck-- many of them are .3000. In a message dated 1/23/2012 3:22:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, z...@sonic.net writes: Hi Nikolas, That's amazingly comprehensive. Thanks! I'm looking for double perf 16mm to use as is with a high speed 16mm camera - nothing to do with 8mm, I should have specified that. For anyone else who's interested, it looks like Spectra in the US have some, though only rolls of 100ft, colour and b/w. As you said. Kodak in the UK seem to have nothing to do with the US distributors, and Fuji was the same - nothing to be had and neither were very helpful. Thanks! ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] seeking double perf film
In case anyone's interested, the catalog's right here: _http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Products/Product_Information/index.htm_ (http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Products/Product_Information/index.htm) I think your best bet is to go with the 7363 high-contrast b/w film, if you want camera pitch (.2994.) It's really cheap, something like $50 for 400 feet and no minimum. If you want lab or high-speed pitch (.3000), go with the 7302 positive b/w print film. It's cheap too-- $180 for 2,000 feet, with only a 2-core minimum. Both can be processed as either negative or reversal. Both are acetate and available in 2-perf. I'd avoid polyester, and be sure to get the right pitch. On those cameras it's probably .3000. If you want to get really fancy, Kodak also supplies 2-perf Tri-X in a high-speed .3000 pitch. It's something like $80 for 400 feet, with no minimum. The same price as regular 16mm Tri-X. I'd be very surprised if these films are still available in a year, btw. I can't imagine how little they must sell. In a message dated 1/23/2012 3:22:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, z...@sonic.net writes: double perf versus double 8mm On Jan 23, 2012, at 12:50 PM, sarah browne wrote: Hi Nikolas, That's amazingly comprehensive. Thanks! I'm looking for double perf 16mm to use as is with a high speed 16mm camera - nothing to do with 8mm, I should have specified that. For anyone else who's interested, it looks like Spectra in the US have some, though only rolls of 100ft, colour and b/w. As you said. Kodak in the UK seem to have nothing to do with the US distributors, and Fuji was the same - nothing to be had and neither were very helpful. Thanks! Sarah On 23/01/2012 16:40, Nicholas Kovats wrote: Sarah, Which format are you referring to? i.e. 16mm 2 perf - 2R-2994 or R8 2 perf - 2R-1497. Are you seeking to re-perforate 2 perf 16mm stock into 2 perf R8? This is a current list of Kodak 2 perf 16mm stock 2R-2994 (acetate based), i.e. a.) Catalog schema - 2R (2x perf) 2994 (pitch in 1/1 inch). b.) 2011 Kodak catalog source - _http://motion.kodak.com/motion/uploadedFiles/QA_MotionPictureCatalog_May15_ 2011.pdf_ (http://motion.kodak.com/motion/uploadedFiles/QA_MotionPictureCatalog_May15_2011.pdf) 1. KODAK VISION3 500T Color Negative Film 7219 cat# min order net unit net price effective date SP449 / 16 mm x 100 ft roll / Camera Spool / 2R-2994 1240761 1 1-+ 37.57 03/05/2010 SP578 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / Camera Spool / 2R-2994 1908789 5 1-+ 147.93 03/05/2010 SP451 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1270982 1 1-+ 146.18 03/05/2010 2. KODAK VISION3 250D Color Negative Film 7207 SP578 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / Camera Spool 2R-2994 8110298 5 1-+ 147.93 03/05/2010 3. KODAK VISION3 200T Color Negative Film 7213 SP449 / 16 mm x 100 ft roll / Camera Spool / 2R-2994 8765612 18 1-+ 37.57 05/26/2010 SP451 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1102680 1 1-+ 146.18 05/26/2010 4. KODAK EKTACHROME 100D Color Reversal Film 7285 16 mm with 8 mm Perforations SP467 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / On Core, (Type R) / 2R-1497 8679318 20 1-+ 141.92 11/08/2006 5. KODAK TRI-X Reversal Film 7266 16 mm with 8 mm Perforations SP467 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / On Core / 2R-1497 8751935 5 1-+ 86.69 02/02/2010 6. KODAK VISION Color Intermediate Film 7242 35 mm with 16 mm perforations SP452 / 16 mm x 1200 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1791284 2 1-+ 365.28 03/01/2002 SP452 / 16 mm x 2000 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1689488 2 1-+ 608.80 03/01/2002 7. EASTMAN Color Internegative II Film 7272 CIT452 / 16 mm x 1200 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1020718 1 1-+ 618.54 02/15/2009 8. EASTMAN Fine Grain Duplicating Panchromatic Negative Film 5234 / 7234 FDN452 / 16 mm x 2000 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1959766 2 1-+ 375.06 02/15/2009 In theory all 2 perf stocks are shippable anywhere but in practice Kodak US/Canada do not seem to coordinate very well with Kodak UK. Cheers! Nicholas On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 6:44 AM, sarah browne _sarahjbro...@yahoo.ie_ (mailto:sarahjbro...@yahoo.ie) wrote: Hi everyone, Anyone have any leads for double perf stock shippable to Ireland / UK? Ardmore / Kodak, Fuji UK and filmclearance.co.uk have so far drawn a blank. Tips very welcome! Thanks Sarah _www.sarahbrowne.info_ (http://www.sarahbrowne.info/) ___ FrameWorks mailing list _FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com_ (mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com) _https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks_ (https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks) ___ FrameWorks mailing list _FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com_ (mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com) _https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks_ (https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks)
Re: [Frameworks] Bolex Doc
Here it is: _http://articles.glendalenewspress.com/2011-12-09/entertainment/tn-gnp-film- digs-into-bolex-family-history-20111209_1_camera-family-history-film_ (http://articles.glendalenewspress.com/2011-12-09/entertainment/tn-gnp-film-digs-i nto-bolex-family-history-20111209_1_camera-family-history-film) Is there a link to an article? All I get with the link below is a photo and I can't seem to find an article on the entertainment page. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Bolex Doc
In a message dated 1/15/2012 10:44:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, alexandra.r.caulfi...@gmail.com writes: Interesting Doc about a tool we all love and enjoy: _http://www.indiegogo.com/THE-JACQUES-BOLSEY-PROJECT?a=339408_ (http://www.indiegogo.com/THE-JACQUES-BOLSEY-PROJECT?a=339408) -- Alexandra Caulfield Yes. This too: _http://www.glendalenewspress.com/entertainment/tn-gnp-film-digs-into-bolex- family-history-201-003,0,97620.photo_ (http://www.glendalenewspress.com/entertainment/tn-gnp-film-digs-into-bolex-family-history-201-003,0,97620.photo) ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 35mm film will be dead by 2015 and News Corp
In a message dated 11/21/2011 1:24:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, televis...@hotmail.com writes: So, the flicker of analog celluloid projection is a desirable feature? Get real. The fact that the screen is black half the time is somehow a good thing? That's preposterous. Well, it's an interesting thing.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Research: use of archive footage in experimental film and vi...
In a message dated 11/17/2011 11:29:36 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, fjtorre...@gmail.com writes: This subject has been discussed here before in great detail. Please do a search. Who are you to make this demand? Interesting topics are always worth discussing.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 35mm film will be dead by 2015 and News Corp
In a message dated 11/16/2011 5:21:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, f...@fredcamper.com writes: Sadly, we should probably be thinking about whether there are improvements to 4K and digital projection systems that will get us closer to the look of films that may soon not be available on film, or are already unavailable. Fred Camper Chicago If we do that then there will be no motivation for the industry to keep prints going. I also think that this look appeal-thing is like wanting to buy a blow-up doll as a substitute for a girlfriend.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Where to send Super 8 Ektachrome G160 7240 for processing, ...
Try Martin Baumgarten at Plattsburg Photographic. He'll do it by hand. This guy will do it too: _http://www.super8.nl/english/e_index.htm_ (http://www.su per8.nl/english/e_index.htm) I think Yale might do 7240 as a modified E-6, but not sure about G160 because of the backing problem. In a message dated 11/14/2011 12:55:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rahb...@yahoo.com writes: Dear Frameworkers, I see Dwayne's does not provide processing for Super 8 Ektachrome G160 and Ektachrome 7240 so am wondering, please, if there is somewhere to have this done... Thanks so much, Bridget Irish Olympia, WA ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Lawrence Brose court case
In a message dated 11/9/2011 1:25:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jkne...@colgate.edu writes: Yikes!! Those creeps!! Poor Lawrence. This is the new way of putting people away... And it works, too, these kind of spurious sexual allegations. People go nuts in response. Look at what happened to Wikileaks. We'll be seeing a lot more of this tactic in the future, too___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Lawrence Brose court case
In a message dated 11/9/2011 4:29:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, sc...@financialcleansing.com writes: If t0ny c0nrad is still on the list, he must know all these people. Why is Buffalo the leading edge of using the expanded powers of the stste to repress avant garde art? Isn't it well known that the federal attorney in that area is totally nuts? I think so. It's old news-- unfortunately.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] ELF SL1 SOUND FUSE LOCATION
Did you ask these guys? _http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=5_ (http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=5) If they don't know then nobody will. They'll have the answer. (http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=5) ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Kodak's Inkjet Foolishness...
In a message dated 10/22/2011 12:35:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, televis...@hotmail.com writes: Just curious...Bruce Sterling? Why was it a failure? Please elaborate. I'd like to know, too. Sounds like age-ism to me. What's next-- making fun of Stan Brakhage at Colorado? If Kodak has a problem with inkjets it's not because inkjets are somehow silly, it's because there's too much competition. There's nothing worth laughing over about printers-- they will always be needed. And very much. If you really want to make fun of something, how about all of these incredibly convoluted digital-capture schemes that are oh-so-hip right now? There's nothing that will be more silly and obsolete in a few years.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] RIP the movie camera
In a message dated 10/22/2011 12:08:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dcinema2...@yahoo.com writes: Not building any more film cameras? Those film cameras are built to last. I know people shooting film with 1940s Eyemos and 1930s Mitchells. Wonder where all those digital Genesis and Origins will be in five years. Maybe Ebay. I agree here as well. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting really sick and tired of all this digital snarkiness. I'm also waiting for the day when a modern digital video camera-- and face it, that's what it is, video -- will physically last as long as the most average Super 8 or 16 one, let alone 35mm. And when they don't-- which they won't-- will their discardability and obsolescence then be seen as a philosophical virtue? Probably. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16:9 vs 4:3
In a message dated 10/21/2011 10:26:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, on-on...@hotmail.com writes: What frame ratio do people think is best for a painting and should it be cropped later to fit the ready-made picture-frame? Rob Funny. That's about it, too.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera
In a message dated 10/14/2011 5:11:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, aa...@digitalartsguild.com writes: It's so predictably ironic that the Salon article concludes with a link to an illegal, badly transferred, horribly compressed YouTube version of Mothlight. That's exactly what makes film purists angry about digital, and frankly, I can't blame them. Aaron Yeah. The guy is a little twirp, too-- he totally rips off Creative Cow's article only to add an even more cynical spin. And what the hell does he know anyway?-- his world-weary, condescending, oh-so-hip attitude is ridiculously out of scale. He writes likes he's 75 years old. Plus, a) Never trust a man with three names, and b) Never trust anyone that young who has no hair. That haircut of his is really awful-- so why the hell should we defer to him on anything? He knows nothing. He's a typical ought a-hole who has no idea what he's talking about. His typewriter analogy is stupid, and for anyone to claim that film is a goner is like saying that because we have Photoshop we no longer need oil paints. Mark my words: in 100 years people are going to be MUCH more interested in celluloid prints than in any stupid and archaic digital compression scheme of years gone by. This fact alone will make today's film work even more valuable. All the digital crap will have melted away-- thank God ! The artifact is king.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera
In a message dated 10/13/2011 11:06:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, j...@jacktext.net writes: On 13/10/2011, at 2:55 AM, Lars Fuchs wrote: This isn't good news. _http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/film-fading-to-black_ (http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/film-fading-to-black) There's nothing more obsolete than last year's whiz-bang digital format. So film is going to be around for a long time. Just its utter simplicity is an advantage-- because the cumbersomeness of modern digital technology infects the artistry in no small degree. What we can hope for will happen, too-- these obsolete video formats will doom these works in the end which is great because most of this stuff is total crap. Has there ever been a worse age for movies? They're just big TV shows now. Those who cheer digital as a great improvement in things also remind me of the same people who make fun of physical books. Like, how many of these critics ever actually read them? One thing I don't understand, either. How come digital fans always insist on calling what they do films? It's never just videos to them. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Forbes editorial about Kodak
Go fuck yourself. Silly old film is going to be around long after your obsolete digital files have disappeared into the 'cloud.' Wherever that is. The article is also filled with tons of errors. Kodak invented much of digital photography, which is why its patents are so valuable. Kodak batteries failed because they were TOO GOOD. They lasted too long. And Kodak Park was never shuttered. Etc. Etc. Such as the fact Kodak's film division still sells more merchandise than most American companies. He ignore this continuing success, btw. The typical lamebrain cynicism. In a message dated 10/3/2011 5:42:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, aa...@digitalartsguild.com writes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2011/10/02/what-i-saw-as-kodak-crum bled/ Once again, the old guard clings to obsolete business models and is ultimately swept away by inevitable shifts in technology. The party's winding down, folks. CDs, newspapers, and now analog film are going the way of the wax cylinder. The canary in the coal mine dropped dead about ten years ago, now the roof is about to collapse. 35mm motion picture film will still keep hanging on for a few more years, despite the fact that high-end digital cameras have now surpassed the imaging quality of most 35mm film stocks. Anyone who is unwilling to adapt to digital imaging had better start hoarding film stock in their walk-in freezers. The day that HDR sensors become affordable is the day that analog film unequivocably becomes more trouble than it's worth. Sprocket holes seem increasingly quaint in a world where exposure and depth of field can be entirely controlled in *POST* with no loss of quality. I'm not a hater, I'm just pointing out a reality that may be painful for many on this list. Don't look to Fuji to save you, they're ultimately headed for the dumpster as well. Starting up another Impossible Project is a noble idea, but from what I've seen, these handmade stocks can't compete with the real deal. Aaron --- Aaron F. Ross Digital Arts Guild ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Kodak filing for bankruptcy?
In a message dated 10/1/2011 9:58:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, i...@40frames.org writes: And Neopan is not currently available in the US Don't know why this has ever been a question for Fuji? Alain I've repeatedly asked the Fuji people in Hollywood about this, and they just giggle and change the subject and tell me that Fuji has other great film stocks. It must be that yes means no thing. And like it's none of our damned business. So to hell with them. J.C. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Kodak filing for bankruptcy?
In a message dated 10/1/2011 6:40:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, djte...@gmail.com writes: Kodak death humor: Gizmodo put the situation thusly. Have you taken a look at Kodak's stock today? Get a good look while you can, because it's shitting the bed worse than a disemboweled E. coli patient - already down 60%, to less than a dollar. This is how it ends. We've known the company's in dire financial shape, but this looks like the beginning of the crew abandoning ship. You can't even order off the Dollar Menu with a share of Eastman Kodak. Vile scribblings like these is the reason why this country has gotten so despicable. When sleazy outfits like 'Tumblr -- which has no assets and no production capacity and does absolutely nothing in the world-- is treated like a Prince on Wall Street, but a grand old company like Kodak is treated like a dick, then you know things have gotten really insane. Stock up, boys.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Presenting a native ultraPan8 projector.
In a message dated 9/22/2011 8:27:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nkov...@gmail.com writes: It's a LW Photo Data Analyzer, Model 224A Mk.4. Made in California. It is 240 volts and has old style pre-focus lamp from 300w to 1000w. Speeds 1-12 fps. and 24 fps. 2 inch lens. The light output is cut down a lot by the built-in heat filter so really should be removed. (It's really used for single frame projection mainly.) That's an Athena 16, similar to the Kodak Analyst. Very high quality, you used to see them a lot in high schools, for sports teams, things like that. Made in the Valley by a company that folded about 40 years ago. This must have been someone's personal mod. Maybe they made an 8mm version or a custom, wide-gate model. Whatever it is, it's rare. Those Athenas still go for some good money. Most of them are pretty beaten up.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
