Re: [Frameworks] Kodak new super 8 camera (was Logmar)

[Fred Smith]

Why is there even a space for a film cartridge? You could feed it into a 
computer and skip the processing fee.


There are hundreds of S8 camera designs out there without this 
electronic overcoat, why not use one of them?


On 1/10/2017 4:30 PM, Pablo Marin wrote:

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/Consumer/Products/Super8/Super8-camera/default.htm#

I'm sure many of you already seen this, but just realized this poor 
thing of a camera doesn't even have a reflex viewfinder, just a 
digital one. I can only imagine how difficult it would be trying to 
shoot in broad daylight without a tripod...


Also, the Logmar design 
(http://www.pro8mm.com/super-8-cameras/logmar-super-8-camera/#features), 
which apparently was bought by Kodak, had a real improvement in the 
shape of a camera pressure plate (one has to pull some feet of film 
out of the cartridge in order to thread it thru the camera), but Kodak 
has discarded that feature 
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn-AwhYOHZE), resulting in a "hi 
tech" digital body with the same flawed registration of a 1965 camera.


Kodak is advertising this under the slogan of an "Analogue 
Renassaince". I hope their new Ektachrome is better than this camera...


Best to all,
Pablo Marín.

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Re: [Frameworks] Super-8 refurb camera vendor?

[Fred Smith]

Pro8mm of Burbank CA. sells a refurbished Canon 310 under the name 
"Rhonda Cam". Cost is about $400. You get a rebuilt camera and a limited 
warantee, something you can't really get any more. Plus they can repair 
it if one breaks.


On 6/8/2016 1:15 PM, Kevin O wrote:

Hello frameworks!

I'm applying for a grant to equip our mobile studio with enough 
super-8 cameras to run small workshops, like 5-10 total. Can anybody 
recommend a store or individual that sells reliable, fairly basic but 
still manually controllable refurbished super-8s?


I would love any tips for better ways to find these than ebay. And I'm 
not interested in the new Kodak ones that are digital & film at once.


Thanks for your help! Feel free to contact me either through the 
listserv or offline via email.


-Kevin Obsatz

www.cellularcinema.org 


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Re: [Frameworks] Subbing on film

[Fred Smith]

You can order Mr.  Shanebrook's book from his website: 
www.makingkodakfilm.com. About 50 dollars (may have gone down since my 
order)


On 3/9/2015 1:40 PM, Roger D. Wilson wrote:

Thanks Jean-Louis,

I will try to track down a copy of this book. I did find this diagram 
on kodaks site that briefly mentions subbing but does not go into any 
details.


http://motion.kodak.com/motion/uploadedFiles/US_plugins_acrobat_en_motion_newsletters_filmEss_04_How-film-makes-image.pdf

Roger

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On 2015-03-09, at 12:12 PM, Roger D. Wilson wrote:

Does anyone know what film manufacturers use as their subbing
layer on film stock so that the emulsion adheres to the base?

Thanks

Roger

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Roger,

I briefly scanned my copy of "Making Kodak Film" by Robert L. 
Shanebrook (highly recommended, I might add) and I don't see any 
particular preparation to the increase adhesiveness. It says that 
after the gelatin is applied, it is immediately cooled, so this may be 
the trick to adhesion.


Cheers,
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Re: [Frameworks] Kodak Film Stocks to be Discontinued, Announced in December

[Fred Smith]

Thank you. As for the format, I'm still researching.

On 8/30/2014 9:08 PM, Jean-Louis Seguin wrote:

Current manufacturers
(Other than Kodak):

Agfa
Orwo
Adox
Kahl

What format do you need?
B&W color, negative or reversal?

Jean-Louis

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On Aug 30, 2014, at 8:24 PM, Fred Smith  wrote:

I'll have to admit, I know of no other   film manufacturer other than 
Kodak, probably because they have dominated the US market for years. Any 
recomendation on how to locate the others for those who are like me?


On 8/30/2014 12:53 PM, Jean-Louis Seguin wrote:

Cheap shot? Maybe. I'm just so disappointed in Kodak, personally.

I meet filmmakers all the time and it's surprising how many completely ignore 
the fact that there are other manufacturers in the world apart from Kodak that 
produce motion picture film stock. Some are truly amazed when I mention this to 
them.
True, when it comes to color negative stocks, Kodak are the only source at the 
moment. For everything else, there are options out there

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Re: [Frameworks] Kodak Film Stocks to be Discontinued, Announced in December

[Fred Smith]

I'll have to admit, I know of no other film manufacturer other than 
Kodak, probably because they have dominated the US market for years. Any 
recomendation on how to locate the others for those who are like me?


On 8/30/2014 12:53 PM, Jean-Louis Seguin wrote:


Cheap shot? Maybe. I'm just so disappointed in Kodak, personally.

I meet filmmakers all the time and it's surprising how many completely 
ignore the fact that there are other manufacturers in the world apart 
from Kodak that produce motion picture film stock. Some are truly 
amazed when I mention this to them.
True, when it comes to color negative stocks, Kodak are the only 
source at the moment. For everything else, there are options out there


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Re: [Frameworks] Did Kodak almost stop making all film?

[Fred Smith]

I've always wondered just how movie film is made. I remember a letter on 
this site about a year ago where someone suggested building a smaller 
machine. Can anyone recomend a site that explains the process?

Respectfully,

F. Smith

On 7/31/2014 2:49 PM, Sean Weitzel wrote:
The reason Kodak is so challenged to continue making film, is the 
simple fact of the manufacturing process. Kodak has only manufactured 
film on a massive scale. They don't have the means to produce small or 
boutique runs of various stocks. (Side note: Did anyone see that Kodak 
had some of their idled film coating lines up for sale on ebay 
recently for basically scrap prices? the main coating wheel is 4 
stories high). What is really going on is Kodak has to be able to 
forecast how much film of a certain type will be sold. Once they have 
that forecast, they manufacture and coat what is called a "master 
roll" 54" wide and 5200 feet long. From that roll, all of the 
individual gauges are cut and perforated and packaged, everything from 
70mm down to super-8.


This is the reason you see so many stocks going into the discontinued 
notices, or finish to order with absurd minimum quantities is because 
of the need to be sure a master roll will be sold withing the 
expiration period. What I believe has happened is the studios have 
done just this, they've entered into a contract with Kodak to justify 
Kodak coating more master rolls of the various color negative stocks. 
Nothing has been said as to what the availability of other types of 
stocks, such as black and white, recording film, print film, etc will 
be. I fear some of these lower volume items will eventually go 
discontinued as the prior master roll is used up.


There's a good more detail about the whole process here: 
http://silverbased.org/plus-x-kodak-woes/





On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Fred Camper > wrote:



http://online.wsj.com/articles/kodak-movie-film-at-deaths-door-gets-a-reprieve-1406674752?mod=WSJ_hp_RightTopStories

As I understand this, they were considering stopping all film
manufacturing, in all gagues, including of print stock. Does
anyone have more information?

Fred Camper
Chicago
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Re: [Frameworks] Need Bolex Camera Information

[Fred Smith]

Palliard Bolex is still in operation, so you might consider contacting 
them. There is also a publication called the 'Bolex Bible', which is 
supposed to have lots of information on the various cameras over the years.


On 8/28/2013 11:29 AM, Adrian Yepez wrote:

Hello,

My name is Adrian. I live in Austin, TX and I'm currently a student at my 
community college, Austin Community College (or ACC), and I need some help as 
to where a good starting point would be when it comes to researching Bolex 
cameras. Yesterday I pitched an idea to my two RTF professors about starting up 
a club that's involved in investing in vintage film equipment for the RTF 
students at ACC to have access to and start up an experimental film portion of 
the RTF program. One professor absolutely loved the idea of having that aspect 
as part of the RTF Program and deeply encouraged me to actually make this club 
happen. But on the other hand my other professor gave me the harsh realities as 
to why that would never work. Unfortunately I won't go into detail as to why 
that wouldn't work, but I left his office with my head pointed to the sky 
because I believe it can actually work. I mean why not right? My goal is learn 
to how to use and know as much information about old Bolex cameras. I want film 
to still be alive and used by students, regardless if they're from a community 
college or not, to not only have on their résumé but as an amazing experience 
as well. A student that diversifies themselves by having the experience of both 
worlds would truly give them a wider perspective in the film industry. So Im 
reaching out to anybody that is willing to give me a good starting point I 
would most appreciate it! Please anybody! Thank you.

-Adrian

SAVE FILM! SAVE THE PAST! PROTECT THE VINTAGE CRAFT!

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Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation

[Fred Smith]

It all starts with your original footage. DO NOT SKIMP ON IT!!! Get the best 
images you can. Use the finist grain film you can.

If you plan on using black screen for your mattes, I would suggest using the 
alternate frontlit/backlit system, where you shoot one frame lit normally, 
then the next frame (without moving anything or changing the camera 
settings) backlit to provide the black matte, then get the roll skip 
printed; Frame 1 on roll A, Frame 2 on roll B, Frame 3 on roll A, etc. 
(Bluescreen was invented so mattes could be made without this step and cut 
out one generation print). You gain a generation, but the mattes are much 
more accurate.

My $0.02.

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 2:04 AM
Subject: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping 
Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation


> Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated special 
> FX on 16mm film.  I am going to be making a space pirates claymation film 
> in the near future and I want to do some very complicated optical printing 
> and rotoscoping FX shots.  I know that CRI film stock no longer exists but 
> i am going to be filming model spaceships in front of a black or 
> bluescreen and I want to know what is the best way to go about this 
> without getting any generation loss on my film. 

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Re: [Frameworks] Please help

[Fred Smith]

Talk about a ghost in the machine!!!


- Original Message - 
From: "David Tetzlaff" 
To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 7:26 PM
Subject: [Frameworks] Please help


> Hello Frameworkers:
>
> Kennth Anger here. I recently took an extended trip to the Astral Plane to 
> visit my dear friend Aleistair, but on my attempt to return to my 
> corporeal body, I discovered that someone had stolen my macick sceptre and 
> the bottle of Black Host needed for my ceremonial reawakening. I need your 
> help to return to Earth. This is more than a matter of seeking your 
> Luciferian grace on my personal account. I appeal to you in the name of 
> The Cinema. I have been truly inspired on my latest astral travels, and I 
> feel that a flood of new masterworks shall flow from my Steenbeck. Yes, 
> that's right, they will all be made with the true magick of film, not that 
> digital hocus pocus. And I'm talking about genuinely inspired pieces, not 
> just documentation footage of exhibitions passed of as 'Films by Anger.' I 
> realize some of you may be suspicious, but do note that am NOT in Nigeria, 
> and i would never pull any kind of sham, scam or masquerade on my true 
> devotees. So, send as much cash as you can in brown envelopes (no checks, 
> credit cards, or PayPal) to this address:
>
> David Tetzlaff
> 7 Sycamore Road
> Niantic, CT 06357
>
> Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. And know that I'll put in a good word for 
> you with You Know Who.
>
> Love,
>
> KA
>
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Re: [Frameworks] mailing equipment across the country

[Fred Smith]

Whichever you use, don't scrimp on the insurance!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caryn Cline 
  To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:25 PM
  Subject: [Frameworks] mailing equipment across the country


  Hi Everyone,

  I'm considering mailing a camera and lenses (HD cam., 35mm lenses) across the 
country for a shoot I'm working on, rather than renting when I get there.  I 
can get the package for free from the place where I work, so I will save quite 
a bit of money, I think, and I'm working with a very small budget.  If I decide 
to go this route, what what should I use?  UPS? FedEx?  Something else?  

  Thanks for your help and advice.

  CC

  -- 
  Caryn Cline
  Filmmaker and Teacher
  New York City and Seattle, WA
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Re: [Frameworks] War Films Featuring Prayer

[Fred Smith]

There's a prayer scene in the movie "BATTLEGROUND", about a group of 
soldiers defending the city of Bastogne. A priest leads a quick battlefield 
prayer session. When the artlillery starts going off, he coments on how they 
are 'hitting the bass notes".


> On Feb 20, 2012, at 9:42 AM, lj frezza wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>> I'm working on a project right now involving footage of soldiers in
>> Hollywood films praying. Does anyone have any recommendations for any
>> films in particular for me to look into? I feel like I've seen this a
>> lot of war films, especially ones based on WWII, but I'm having
>> trouble thinking of specific titles. Any help is appreciated
>> -LJ
>>
>> -- 
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