[Frameworks] Soviet films
http://www.youtube.com/user/USFSovietPeople . Would anyone like to join our fundraising team? Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Gagarin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvDsj9yhCss . Film on Gagarin just out. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] New Experimental Film Venue!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/202634737520/ . One more group. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: David Sherman To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:09 PM Subject: [Frameworks] New Experimental Film Venue! New experimental film venue in Tucson I wanted to let the Frameworks community know that we are opening a new microcinema this fall called Exploded View in Tucson! Rebecca Barten and myself (David Sherman) ran Total Mobile Home microCINEMA in San Francisco in the 90's and we did many wonderful shows with visiting filmmakers such as Nathaniel Dorsky, Scott Stark, Henry Hills, Zoe Beloff, Bruce Baillie and even Sidney Peterson! Now we are trying a new microcinema experiment in the uncharted Southwest. The Fall is pretty much booked but if any filmmakers are planning tours, or visits (Robert Breer retired here in Tucson!) to the Southwest corridor in the coming year, please send us a query. Additionally, we are on a hunt for 1 1/2" lenses that will work for the throw of our space. We have Kodak Pageant, Singer Graflex, and Elmo CL projectors. If you have, or know of such 1 1/2" lenses that could be obtained free or at a reasonable cost, please contact us. (FYi the 3" Graflex lens that we used for 4 years at TMH was given to us in 1993 by Craig Baldwin!!) Thanks, David-- David Sherman 646 E. 5th Street Tucson, AZ 8705 520-366-1573 http://www.explodedviewgallery.org/ http://www.davidshermanfilms.com/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] New Experimental Film Venue!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/179386622184355/ . Feel free to join and post your work. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: David Sherman To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 12:09 PM Subject: [Frameworks] New Experimental Film Venue! New experimental film venue in Tucson I wanted to let the Frameworks community know that we are opening a new microcinema this fall called Exploded View in Tucson! Rebecca Barten and myself (David Sherman) ran Total Mobile Home microCINEMA in San Francisco in the 90's and we did many wonderful shows with visiting filmmakers such as Nathaniel Dorsky, Scott Stark, Henry Hills, Zoe Beloff, Bruce Baillie and even Sidney Peterson! Now we are trying a new microcinema experiment in the uncharted Southwest. The Fall is pretty much booked but if any filmmakers are planning tours, or visits (Robert Breer retired here in Tucson!) to the Southwest corridor in the coming year, please send us a query. Additionally, we are on a hunt for 1 1/2" lenses that will work for the throw of our space. We have Kodak Pageant, Singer Graflex, and Elmo CL projectors. If you have, or know of such 1 1/2" lenses that could be obtained free or at a reasonable cost, please contact us. (FYi the 3" Graflex lens that we used for 4 years at TMH was given to us in 1993 by Craig Baldwin!!) Thanks, David-- David Sherman 646 E. 5th Street Tucson, AZ 8705 520-366-1573 http://www.explodedviewgallery.org/ http://www.davidshermanfilms.com/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] otto muehl r.i.p.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0610971/ . Filmography. http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 On Wed, 6/26/13, chris bravo wrote: Subject: Re: [Frameworks] otto muehl r.i.p. To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2013, 2:47 PM shit On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 4:49 AM, k. k. wrote: dear frameworkers, according to media reports, otto muehl (1925-2013) died in his home in portugal on sunday, may 26th. - karla ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Feet of 16mm film
I was not so smart before the wed either. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Fred Camper To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Feet of 16mm film Quoting David Dvorchak : > http://www.paulivester.com/films/runtimes.htm Sure, useful site, fine, but the Web keeps making us stupider; why not learn to do the calculations yourself? It's not hard. 20 minutes X 60 seconds per minute X 24 frames per second divided by 40 frames per foot of 16mm = 720 feet. It's always useful to have in one's head a few key statistics regarding one's chosen gauge(s): frames in a foot, length of typical reels Fred Camper Chicago (who keeps noticing that though no one follows me in listing location, constant questions pop up about "where are you located" when someone wants a repair, or to sell or give away something, necessitating more emails...) ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Feet of 16mm film
Hi Guy's I am just wondering how many feet are in a 20Min reel of 16MM film? Thanks. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Soviet Film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHmCS4SS_ko&feature=c4-overview&list=UUJrITBHfS4XLj8rlJve3hUA . Trailer for the new film we have. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Soviet Film
http://usfriendsofthesovietpeople.org/video . Thought some of you would like this. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Soviet Film Project
Friend's I'm involved in a project to didgitize Soviet film's and produce DVD's . We have a collection of 300 films on 16mm that need to be didgitized and we are seeking a service in NYC that can help. If you can offer assistance, e-mail Matt Helme at dcinema2...@yahoo.com . Thank you Matt Helme http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Soviet Film Project
Friends: I'm getting involved in a project to digitize 16 mm film and produce DVD's. If you live in the NYC area, and would like to help, contact Matt Helme at dcinema2...@yahoo.com Thank You Matt Helme P.S. willing to negotiate a fee http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Anyone else like me out there?
I'm a film/video maker from N.J..Also, the Program Director for the Old
Bridge Filmmakers Showcase/Center for the Moving Image,and the Admin for a
Film/Video group called the Mind's Eye. I hope you stay in touch and you get
involved with my group's.
Matt Helme
http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007
From: Ian Wood
To: Experimental Film Discussion List
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Anyone else like me out there?
Hello-
Thanks for the post, it was nice to hear your thoughts.
I am a film enthusiast as well, and I would also be interested in taking part
in a community of likeminded artists. I also make abstract, visual films that
my parents don't consider movies. I love Hans Richter, Maya Deren, and Man Ray
films, among many others.
I have a ton of gear, and I would like to make myself available as a resource
for film-related tools, etc. With an engineer friend, I custom build
film-related gear such as interval motors, upside-down tri-pods (for correcting
8mm-on-16mm 4-screen effect), external shutters, external scope lens gadgetry,
matte box masks, frankenstein optical printer hybrids, etc., etc. If there is
something anybody needs, I am sure I can help.
I also collect 16mm films, and have amassed a large collection, including about
200 amateur home movies that I would love to archive someday.
For a while now, I have been thinking about trying to start a film festival
that is devoted to filmmakers who shoot and finish/present their films on
celluloid. "The Film-Only Film Festival," or something to that effect. There
are, of course, already experimental film festivals out there, but I don't
think there is anything that is specifically, 100% devoted to the medium of
film, as in celluloid. Anyway, I think the idea could take off, and could help
to provide a community that is supportive to artists who are committed to film.
Maybe this could also help fill the void you are speaking of, and connect
likeminded filmmakers together. It could also perhaps help to preserve the
"dying," medium of film - a worthy cause that I think a lot of people and
institutions would be willing to help support.
Anyway, if anyone thinks that this is an idea worth pursuing, I am open to
collaborating, and building on the idea. Why not?! If we don't have a venue,
I guess we'll just have to build one!
-Ian Wood
Filmmaker
On Mar 16, 2013, at 3:54 PM, "J Vent" wrote:
You are not alone- I live in LA and feel the same isolation from time to time,
being in "the" industry town is great for resources but thin on the
experimental community experience. That said, we do have the Echo Park Film
Center, Cinefamily and others here as centers of some activity. Milwaukee is a
great experimental film town, UWM being the source of fresh talent. I'm
restoring/putting together a JK 104 recently given to me, I'm all on board if
you like to talk Op Printing.
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>JV
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>
>On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Doug Chaffin("Douglas Graves")
> wrote:
>
> As an isolated 16mm abstract moviemaker I'm very interested to know if
>there's anyone else like me around today?
>>
>> Specifically, is there anyone who works on photo-chemical celluloid motion
>>picture film and makes any kind of formal aesthetic work that is either
>>purely cinematic, abstract, or just generally lyrical and poetic, visually
>>speaking?
>>
>>I'm 30 and I spent 3 years and 10,000 dollars making a really ambitious and
>>stylized abstract 16mm movie called "PALMS", it's a serious piece of work
>>that I think is worthy of following in the tradition of what I feel are the
>>truly great non-narrative cinematic artists such as Will Hindle, Ed
>>Emshwiller, James Whitney, Pat O'Neill, Jordan Belson, Scott Bartlett, Bruce
>>Baillie, Maya Deren, Slavko Vorkapich, and Dziga Vertov, among others.
>>
>>Are other people out there, particularly people younger than 50 and currently
>>active, who are also passionate and excited by the work of all these great
>>cinematic artists and are committed to working on celluloid? The last 3 years
>>have been a struggle for me to make another movie and to get my 1st one even
>>seen by anyone. and i also just haven't been able to find people who share my
>>love of cinematic technique and will share it in any way, such as emailing or
>>talking to each other about great shots and montages and optical techniques
>>or sound design techniques in the brilliant movies by these artists.
>>
>>That kind of community and sharing is i feel necessary, even if only between
>>a few people, and it's sad w
Re: [Frameworks] recommendations for a reading on documentary technique
http://www.amazon.com/The-Filmmakers-Handbook-Comprehensive-Digital/dp/0452279577 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Bryan McManus To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] recommendations for a reading on documentary technique Rabiger's book, "directing the documentary" good luck! Bryan McManus On Saturday, March 16, 2013, David Han wrote: Just thought I'd pick the collective brain here and see what all your lovely minds would recommend in terms of a reading that discusses approaches to documentary filmmaking from a production standpoint. > >Thanks! > >David Han >___ >FrameWorks mailing list >FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > -- Bryan McManus|Filmmaker, Artist call 828.508.1129 write bryanhaysmcma...@gmail.com see bryanmcmanus.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] New Art Space
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Re: [Frameworks] Journal Filmmakers and Videomakers
Jeremy Newman and Jane Public. They are on the listserve.Also,Ken Paul Rosenthal. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: matt's frameworks address To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Journal Filmmakers and Videomakers All of Bill Brown's films are very film-diary-ish. In fact, his film 'Roswell' begind "Dear Secret Diary..." Also the early work of Sadie Benning. The film 'Tarnation' also might be of interest to you. -matt On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Kevin Obsatz wrote: Hello Frameworks! > >I may have the opportunity to teach a short workshop on the Film Journal genre >at the University of Minnesota this spring... which means I need to learn more >about it first. > >I would love some suggestions about major practitioners of this form >throughout film history, especially those whose work is purchaseable / >accessible in a non-print-rental form. > >I'm also interested in critical writing on the subject. > >Besides Jonas Mekas, whose work should I be exploring? > > >Thanks very much! > >Kevin Obsatz >http://www.videohaiku.com/ > >___ >FrameWorks mailing list >FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > -- --- http://www.rodeofilmco.com/ --- ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Journal Filmmakers and Videomakers
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BQ5J2W/?tag=googhydr-20&hvadid=14131589747&hvpos=1t2&hvexid=&hvnetw=s&hvrand=974236425424775979&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&ref=pd_sl_4hgub5stql_e This would fit. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: matt's frameworks address To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Journal Filmmakers and Videomakers All of Bill Brown's films are very film-diary-ish. In fact, his film 'Roswell' begind "Dear Secret Diary..." Also the early work of Sadie Benning. The film 'Tarnation' also might be of interest to you. -matt On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Kevin Obsatz wrote: Hello Frameworks! > >I may have the opportunity to teach a short workshop on the Film Journal genre >at the University of Minnesota this spring... which means I need to learn more >about it first. > >I would love some suggestions about major practitioners of this form >throughout film history, especially those whose work is purchaseable / >accessible in a non-print-rental form. > >I'm also interested in critical writing on the subject. > >Besides Jonas Mekas, whose work should I be exploring? > > >Thanks very much! > >Kevin Obsatz >http://www.videohaiku.com/ > >___ >FrameWorks mailing list >FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > -- --- http://www.rodeofilmco.com/ --- ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] what to do with all my old film stuff??????
Give it to an Archive. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Sandra Maliga To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] what to do with all my old film stuff?? Transfer to HD selectively. This is not easy or cheap. Pat O'Neill digitized the image from some of my prints but I am still trying to get around to digitizing the audio, syncing it up and organizing the drives. You probably don't need to keep the outtakes. You might be able to sell the equipment on Craigslist or donate to a local film center. It takes lots of mental and emotional energy to do this. I am dealing with 8mm and super 8mm footage. Paid to have some of it transferred ( used a Groupon). But it didn't look very good. I want to find time to capture it from a projector. Then there are the slides And reel to reel audio.. -Sandy Maliga On Feb 11, 2013, at 3:01 PM, William Gazecki wrote: Transfer everything to HD, with a back-up, and store the drives long-term. > >William Gazecki >San Francisco, CA > >Don't look back, >you're not going that way. >www.williamgazecki.com > >From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of >k. a.r. >Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:55 PM >To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com >Subject: [Frameworks] what to do with all my old film stuff?? > >Hello, List. >I saved every single frame of outtakes and everything I ever shot. >Now it's 20+ years after I started in film, and I still have all of it. >It takes up a lot of space, and I'm pretty sure that I'm done working in 16mm. >So what do I do with all the 16mm film stuff I have? There is both my >personal stuff, but also a lot of peripherals, like editing supplies. >I don't know what to do with it, but I'm ready to clean house. >Ideas? >thanks in advance. >Kristie > > > > > > > > >Kristie Reinders, B.F.A. >Director of Cinematography, Electric Visions >Curator and Head Projectionist, Electric Mural Project >The Mission, San Francisco, CA > >'A first class technician should work best under pressure.' >- - - Issac Asimov ___ >FrameWorks mailing list >FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] drugged
We can't go back Home Again by Nick Ray. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Eric Theise To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 2:40 PM Subject: [Frameworks] drugged Hello Frameworkers, I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed on-screen. Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it! Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, thanks in advance. Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in it. --Eric ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Film show
http://www.oldbridgelibrary.org/PDF/filmshowcase1-12-13.pdf . Our next show. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Filmmakers Showcase
http://www.oldbridgelibrary.org/PDF/filmshowcase1-12-13.pdf . Our next show. Gonna be a good one. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Downloading Fair Use Video from You Tube
I use iLivid. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Robert Todd To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Downloading Fair Use Video from You Tube thanks, Dan! On Jan 5, 2013, at 11:06 AM, David Tetzlaff wrote: YouTube keeps changing their system, breaking the popular video downloaders for Firefox: e.g. Download Helper doesn't work now. Right now I'm using ByTubeD which isn't a super simple 1-click thing, but it's not hard to understand and it works. You need to be using Firefox, not Safari. On Jan 5, 2013, at 1:08 AM, Ken Paul Rosenthal wrote: I'm looking for the best and simplest method of downloading *fair use* films from You Tube. Thanks, Ken ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Re earlier inquiry about film leaders
Peter Kubelka.
Matt
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From: Herb Shellenberger
To: Experimental Film Discussion List
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Re earlier inquiry about film leaders
Malcolm Le Grice discusses the aforementioned Land/ow film and mentioned one of
his films (Castle 1) that uses countdown leader in this article from Frieze.
http://www.frieze.com/issue/article/i_am_a_cinematographer/
Herb Shellenberger
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Sent: Sun 9/9/2012 2:28 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Re earlier inquiry about film leaders
Just to add a few to Mark's list below, Bruce Conner's "A Movie" is also, of
course, filled with "inappropriate" leader ("End of Part IV," if memory serves,
comes very early in the film).
Also, I imagine you've come across this, but since it wasn't in your list, Owen
Land/George Landow's "Film in Which There Appear Edge Lettering, Sprocket
Holes, Dirt Particles, Etc." is nothing but a short stretch of leader featuring
a China girl.
...
RB
On Sep 9, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Mark Toscano wrote:
I had thought the initial request was not just about leader in general, but
had some more specific focus, but maybe I misunderstood. Here are some more
films that deal with leader as a foregrounded subject or device of sorts:
"Leader", "Cross Cut - A Blue Movie" and "Red Stockings" by Robert Huot
"Colorfilm" by Standish Lawder
"Report" and "Ten Second Film" by Bruce Conner
"Standard Gauge" and "Cue Rolls" by Morgan Fisher
Plenty of filmmakers have used bits of leaders here and there in there
films as formal devices, or for some other effect. Pat O'Neill has a bit in
some of his films, like Runs Good. Brakhage did it a ton, but not really for a
leader-as-leader effect, rather he used clear and color leaders for their
specific color properties. Scenes From Under Childhood is loaded with colored
plastic leader. Robert Nelson did it a lot, but no one of his films really
focuses on leader itself as the subject. I'd probably say leaders have their
most significant use in his film Suite California Stops & Passes Part 1.
"Girls on Film" by Julie and Karin is also a 35mm short film, deriving from
the photo exhibit they created.
Genevieve Yue has been researching china girls, and has put together a
program of china girl related films at Anthology for sometime this Fall. I
could list some of them, but you'd have a more definitive list when her program
is printed, presumably soon.
Mark Toscano
From: Matt Soar
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2012 10:33 AM
Subject: [Frameworks] Re earlier inquiry about film leaders
Hi folks,
A few months back I posted a request for references to makers working
with, and writers writing about, film leaders. I got a few replies,
and have also followed up on some of my own leads. Anyway, here's what
I've got so far; paltry I know, but there ya go. (Thanks to Ken for
the reminder.)
Best,
Matt
- Technical writing
'Your Film and The Lab'
L.Bernard Happe. Focal Press 'Media Manual' series
- Films
'At the Academy' (1974) Guy Sherwin
http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/sherwin-at-the-academy-t12986
'Rohfilm' (1968) Birgit and Wilhelm Hein
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-jrN_MVmnM
'Material Film' (1976, 35min) Birgit and Wilhelm Hein
'Lost Leaders #1' (2012, 50secs) Matt Soar and Jackie Gallant
http://vimeo.com/36546876
'Unstable Grounds' (2011, 7' 30") Alexandra Navratil
http://www.alexandranavratil.com/projects/Unstable-Grounds
- On china girls
Roth, Lorna (2009) 'Looking at Shirley, the Ultimate Norm: Colour
Balance, Image Technologies, and Cognitive Equity' Canadian Journal of
Communication 34(1).
http://www.cjc-online.ca/index.php/journal/issue/view/126/showToc
Girls on Film (Harvard U, 2005) curated by Karin Segal and Julie Buck
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2005/07.21/00-girls.html
Doane, Mary Ann (2011). 'Screening the Avant-Garde Face'. In Judith
Butler and Elizabeth Weed (Eds.) Questions of Gender. Indiana U Press.
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Re: [Frameworks] Editing examples - suggestions needed
Process Red and Critical Mass by Hollis Frampton. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Tim Halloran To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Editing examples - suggestions needed Check out the "non-cut" space/time transitions in John Sayles' LONE STAR. Interesting and a wonderful effect. Tim Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:29 AM, "Patrick Friel" wrote: Hi All, >Looking for examples for the Experimental Editing class I'm teaching again >(solo this time!). I'm set with the actual experimental work, but want to show >more clips from "non-experimental" films, particularly narrative, that utilize >experimental editing techniques. Ideally things from the past 20 or so years, >that would be in the average 20-ish year old film student's frame of >reference. Blockbusters, mall pictures, Hollywood, international art house >cinema, etc. I don't ordinarily see a lot of this work, so would welcome any >ideas (cite a scene or specific part if you can). Two of the films that the >kids pick on their own for their presentations are RUN LOLA RUN and ENTER THE >VOID, for example. >Best, >Patrick Friel ___FrameWorks mailing listFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comhttps://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___FrameWorks mailing listFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comhttps://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___FrameWorks mailing listFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comhttps://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Film Show Old Bridge N.J.
Hi All: I'm in the process of organizing a film show at the Old Bridge Public Library for mid to late September. If you have one to show, 30 min or less and PG,let me know. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] experimental documentary...
I Dreaming by Brakhage and the work of Jonas Mekas would fit. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: matt's frameworks address To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:35 AM Subject: [Frameworks] experimental documentary... hello Frameworkers- I am hoping to find good texts and/or essays concerning experimental-documentaries. I've been having a hard time finding much written about the sub-genre, so if anyone has some recommendations it would be much appreciated. Also, while on the subject- I am trying to create a list of feature length and noted short films that might be classified as experimental documentary and would love feedback on that as well. I am thinking along the lines of films/makers such as Naomi Uman, Craig Baldwin, Bill Brown, Deborah Stratman, Lynne Sachs, Su Friedrich, etc, but also tempted to include films such as Nostalgia for the Light, Sweetgrass, Tarnation, etc- films made outside the experimental tradition but certainly swimming against the mainstream current. thanks! -Matt -- --- www.rodeofilmco.com --- ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Flicker Films
Pans 0-4 And 697-700 by Hollis Frampton. It's on the Criterion DVD. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Mark Toscano To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Flicker Films Neuron (Robert Russett, 1972) Now That the Buffalo's Gone (Burton C. Gershfield, 1967) Malanga (Keewatin Dewdney, 1967) Evolution of the Red Star (Adam Beckett, 1973) Internal System (Coleen Fitzgibbon, 1974) Screen (Pat O'Neill, 1969) Incantation (Peter Rose, 1968) Mark T From: Jonathan Walley To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Flicker Films LJ, I'm leaving aside obvious ones like THE FLICKER and practically everything by Paul Sharits. As for pioneering works, I think of films like ARNULF RAINER, SCHWECATUR, and others by Peter Kubelka, REPORT by Bruce Conner (found footage but with an extended section of flicker in the middle), the Nervous System performances of Ken Jacobs (and more recently the Nervous Magic Lantern performances, which don't use film), the film environment FOUR SQUARE by Tony and Beverly Conrad, STRAIGHT AND NARROW by Conrad (and don't forget his FLICKER MATTE (1974), a square of interwoven black and clear leader not intended for projection), and RAINDANCE by Standish Lawder. Many of Takahiko Iimura's films involved flicker, too. I'm certainly forgetting some important ones, but I'm sure others will chime in. As for recent work, some of Rober Beebe's films (including FLICKER PRIMER and TB TX DANCE) involve flicker, as do films by Peter Tscherkassky and Scott Stark, among many others (again, I'm hoping more folks will jump in here). Many of the film-based projection performances of Sandra Gibson and Luis Recoder, Sally Golding, and Bruce McClure employ flicker loops. These are live works, so not available as prints, but this is an important body of work in which flicker is central (and much more aggressive than the flicker of many of the films listed above). Hope this helps. Best, Jonathan On Apr 24, 2012, at 12:13 PM, LJ Frezza wrote: > Hello again gentlepeople, > I'm looking to put together a survey of pioneering flicker films, as > well as contemporary works, all preferrably on celluloid, and I was > wondering if you guys were interested in throwing a few suggestions my > way. I have a few ideas of my own, of course, but I always like to see > what Frameworks thinks about these sorts of things > -LJ > > -- > ljfre...@gmail.com / 904.762.8300 > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks Jonathan Walley Associate Professor of Cinema Denison University wall...@denison.edu ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] wish to post
Welcome. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Kevin Timmins To: FrameWorks Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] wish to post Yes, welcome Ben! Enjoy your stay! Kev From: tom.whites...@duke.edu To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:45:20 + Subject: Re: [Frameworks] wish to post Ben, you just posted, it’s as easy as that. Welcome to the forum, just speak up. Cheers. - Tom From:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Ben Gwilliam Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:52 PM To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: [Frameworks] wish to post Dear Frameworks, Having subscribed to your list, I would like to post something. Would you please add me to the forum? Best wishes Ben Gwilliam ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Home Movies programe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOUcsjm9aJU&context=C471990fADvjVQa1PpcFOqVWl48Lb0X_OVUPe8CTnB2m-z75kt3c8= . Several more on my youtube page. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Tom Whiteside To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Home Movies programe Family Album by Alan Berliner! Also pretty much anything by Peter Forgazs Good luck - Tom From:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of luis ? Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 4:13 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: [Frameworks] Home Movies programe Hi Frameworks! I'm preparing a programm about Found Footage using home movies. For example Cécile Fontaine, Laboratorium (spain), Pat O'neil, Su Frederich... Any other suggestion? Filmmakers, films, texts?? Thanks! Luis Macías 629709266 mabaluf...@gmail.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars
does anyone know if that section is on youtube? http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Huckleberry Lain To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars I just heard that was solely because of Mark Toscano. So, cheers to Mark! Thanks for having the world remember such a wonderful man. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Adam Hyman wrote: They seem to fit in one Avant-garde person each year. Well, at least they had Brakhage. >There are avant-garde sympathetic folks at the Academy... > > > >On 2/27/12 6:12 PM, "Matt Helme" wrote: > > >Sorry i missed it. >>Matt >> >>http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 >> >>http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Scott Stark >> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:35 PM >> Subject: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars >> >> >> >>It was a pleasant surprise to see George Kuchar in the memorial >>sequence in last night's Oscars. >> >>-s >> >>___ >>FrameWorks mailing list >>FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>___ FrameWorks mailing list >>FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> > >___ >FrameWorks mailing list >FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > -- hypnotic visions - huckleberrylain.net ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars
Sorry i missed it. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Scott Stark To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars It was a pleasant surprise to see George Kuchar in the memorial sequence in last night's Oscars. -s ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] canyon in the news (bad news dept)
Doesn't MOMA or the Museum of the Moving Image have a program like this? Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Nicholas Kovats To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] canyon in the news (bad news dept) Matt, As an outsider and hybrid filmmaker I find your point regarding value identification spot on. I was not aware that it is so cheap to rent a print of let's say a Brakage piece. I believe that the "democratic" dissemination of avant-garde film works is over ...especially at these rental price points. And as others here have indicated provide little or no financial compensation for the original film artists. Well maintained 16mm and 35mm projections in museums is a refreshing idea and would certainly generate "lines" around the block at least here in Toronto where one cannot keep up with both original avant-garde film based output and more "mainstream" venues. Much like Paris we are film crazy up here and film events representing all levels of works tend to be filled to capacity. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-02-19, at 7:30 PM, matt's frameworks address wrote: I think David's point about identifying value is very important. > >Something I have always wondered is whether this level of debate concerning >format and viewing exisits in other genres or other art forms. Do art history >teachers and students limit their study only to paintings and sculptures to >which they have direct access? I don't mean to sound snarky with this >question- but rather to look at other systems that seem to be doing okay. > >I want to see 16mm film exhibition survive, and I fully respect artists who >choose not to digitize their work. But looking at other art forms, I wonder >if it is time for experimental cinema to follow a similar path and look to >museums to archive and exhibit original 16mm film? We don't bat an eye at the >thought of seeing paintings reproduced in books, on posters, or on slides- in >fact we can learn a great deal from them. We understand that we are looking at >a reproduction and not the original, and if we are drawn to the piece we look >forward to someday seeing the original work- perhaps even go out of our way to >see that original work. (There is a Rothko retrospective that just opened in >Portland with lines to get in stretching around the block. I doubt there are >many pieces in the show that couldn't be found in books or even on the >internet- yet people clearly care about seeing the original work. Seeing >reproductions of the work only has made demand greater) > >Couldn't the same art museum model work for most 16mm experimental film? >Focus the energy on keeping top-notch projection in a few select venues and >maintain pristine prints that don't rent out for $65? Use the advantages of >digital to build and educate audiences, and turn 16mm exhibition into a >destination or very special event? > >I am not saying this is ideal, or something I am advocating for. And >obviously it would take some funds and at least a few eager institutions. But >is it possible that the accessibility of 16mm prints of the great Avant Garde >filmmakers is actually a hindrance? If you could rent an original Mark Rothko >for $75 and show it to art history students every semester would that leave >any excitement for the big traveling retrospective at the museum? > >confused as always... >-matt > > > >--- >www.rodeofilmco.com >--- > ___ >FrameWorks mailing list >FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] canyon in the news (bad news dept)
The companies that make film are letting it die. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Tim Halloran To: f...@fredcamper.com; frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] canyon in the news (bad news dept) I don't think it can be stated any better than this. Tim > Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 17:15:12 -0600 > From: f...@fredcamper.com > To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] canyon in the news (bad news dept) > > David, > > Your post come in just after I posted mine. > > I'm sorry about your troubles. As I suggested earlier, everyone's > situation is different, and everyone is different. Maybe you had a > particularly bad situation. Maybe there were other reasons for your > troubles. There are people who try to show film on film and can't, and > there are some who succeed. But even when you can't, you can talk about > how the film shown on film actually looks, and recommend screenings if > there are any in your locale, in the same way that a good art history > teacher (of whom there are all too few) showing slides would talk about > what some of the art works actually look like. > > I have posted many times that maintaining projectors will be a key choke > point in the future. Labs and prints stocks will be another problem. Yet, > at present, many do manage to keep their projectors going. And there are > still a lot of prints around. > > You seem to be appealing to some form of "majority rules" -- not enough > care about film on film, so it will die out. Maybe you're right. Or maybe > a few of us will manage to keep it alive, for some decades into the > future. Who appointed you to write its obituary? > > That you profess to care "very little" for the artist's intentions as to > how a work should be shown leaves me speechless. In my experience, many do > care, once the issue is explained. But I guess if one doesn't care much > then one doesn't even address the issue. > > The specifics have been aired here many times: the differences between > film flicker and most forms of video, between projected film light and > other kinds of projection/display, between the physical look of projected > celluloid and the very different look of video. I don't prefer one to the > other. It is simply my claim that many of the best avant-garde (and other) > films come through far better in their intended format. This is not a > small question of "look" either. One might even say it's a question of > "ideology": that what the projected image presents itself as in relation > to seeing and to the world is something different from what most kinds of > video images present themselves as. > > Fred Camper > Chicago > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] canyon in the news (bad news dept)
I thought it started as a non-profit in the 60's? Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Ekrem Serdar To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] canyon in the news (bad news dept) The consortium sounds like a good idea. Focus on uni.'s and cinemas etc, that already rent from canyon first, then try to expand to unis that may not print budgets, then unis that may not have proper projectors, and so on. Perhaps make the libraries pay for it, selling it like a pro quest or jstor type service, with various tiers in terms of each unis ability. I don't know... Also be on the lookout for those students who'll apply for various school grants for flicks too and encourage them. UT here is very industry oriented, but a couple students are doing a great job getting some money for flicks this semester even having the department fix their never used xenon bulber, etc. -- ekrem serdar austin, tx On Feb 19, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "sc...@financialcleansing.com" wrote: Canyon has tried for nonprofit status a number of times. Problem is that while Canyon filmmakers rarely make anything like a profit, Canyon is a distributor whose goal is to rent films and send the profits back to the filmmmakers and ideally make enough of a profit for themselves to expand their facilities or whatever. They're hardly afinancially successful profit-making enterprise, but they aren't by the definitions used in California "nonprofit." > > >One hopes that now that it's clear that in fact no one does make a profit from >avant-garde work, nonprofit status might be a possibility. It is a tribute to >the remarkable commitment of the folks who have kept Canyon afloat for now >half a century that they have been a very successful distributor--at least in >terms of the service they have provided--without needing nonprofit status. > > >Scott > > Original Message >>Subject: Re: [Frameworks] canyon in the news (bad news dept) >>From: Matt Helme >>Date: Sun, February 19, 2012 12:03 pm >>To: Experimental Film Discussion List >> >> >>I was wondering why Canyon went for profit anyway? >>Matt >> >>http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 >> >> >> >>http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 >> >> >> >>From: Tim Halloran >>To: Experimental Film Discussion List >>Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:00 AM >>Subject: Re: [Frameworks] canyon in the news (bad news dept) >> >>Could not agree more. But a workable middle ground needs to be found, >>utilizing digital reproductions for cursory surveys but integrating real >>projected prints where it is essential to the work. Maintaining one or two >>projectors for these unique experiences doesn't seem like too much of a >>burden. Projected discs of readily available material for everything else. >> >>Tim >> >>Sent from my iPhone >> >>On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:29 PM, f...@fredcamper.com wrote: >> >>> While I don't have any solutions, Canyon's becoming a not for profit seems >>> like a good start. Perhaps then some in "the industry" who claim early >>> inspiration from experimental films will get out their checkbooks. Keeping >>> Canyon going wouldn't take that much. Perhaps some in the Bay Area could >>> form a fund raising committee. >>> >>> At the risk of bringing up an old issue here, I am disturbed that nowhere >>> in the debate is it mentioned that there is a unique aesthetic value, for >>> many films, to presenting them as originally intended, on film. Yes, >>> projectors are harder to find; yes, some schools won't pay for rentals. I >>> don't have any solutions to all that. But if the members of this list >>> won't even acknowledge the particular qualities of film projection, and >>> that so many of the greatest works of the avant-garde were made with those >>> particular qualities in mind, and that such works often lose hugely on >>> video, then the "battle" is over before it has even begun. You can hardly >>> try to find projectors and rental funds if you don't even care. Similarly, >>> instructors who don't care about this difference can hardly explain it >>> with any passion to their students. I have found that many students can >>> indeed appreciate the unique qualities of film with only a little >>> explanation and encouragement. >>> >
Re: [Frameworks] canyon in the news (bad news dept)
I was wondering why Canyon went for profit anyway? Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Tim Halloran To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] canyon in the news (bad news dept) Could not agree more. But a workable middle ground needs to be found, utilizing digital reproductions for cursory surveys but integrating real projected prints where it is essential to the work. Maintaining one or two projectors for these unique experiences doesn't seem like too much of a burden. Projected discs of readily available material for everything else. Tim Sent from my iPhone On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:29 PM, f...@fredcamper.com wrote: > While I don't have any solutions, Canyon's becoming a not for profit seems > like a good start. Perhaps then some in "the industry" who claim early > inspiration from experimental films will get out their checkbooks. Keeping > Canyon going wouldn't take that much. Perhaps some in the Bay Area could > form a fund raising committee. > > At the risk of bringing up an old issue here, I am disturbed that nowhere > in the debate is it mentioned that there is a unique aesthetic value, for > many films, to presenting them as originally intended, on film. Yes, > projectors are harder to find; yes, some schools won't pay for rentals. I > don't have any solutions to all that. But if the members of this list > won't even acknowledge the particular qualities of film projection, and > that so many of the greatest works of the avant-garde were made with those > particular qualities in mind, and that such works often lose hugely on > video, then the "battle" is over before it has even begun. You can hardly > try to find projectors and rental funds if you don't even care. Similarly, > instructors who don't care about this difference can hardly explain it > with any passion to their students. I have found that many students can > indeed appreciate the unique qualities of film with only a little > explanation and encouragement. > > David Tetzlaff: > > "...everything needs to gets digitized, and made available in a medium rez > form along with prints. So, when you rent a print of 'Cosmic Ray' from > Canyon, you get an SD DVD of 'Cosmic Ray' to put on reserve in the library > for the length of the term" > > This does not even acknowledge that there are still filmmakers, still > living filmmakers, perhaps even in my view some of the very greatest of > filmmakers, who refuse to "digitize" their work because they feel too much > is lost. Is there no respect at all for the artist's intentions with > regard to her or his work? > > Fred Camper > Chicago > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] canyon in the news (bad news dept)
Let's not forget,film prints never fade or scratch and are always perfect. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: "carli...@aol.com" To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] canyon in the news (bad news dept) In a message dated 2/18/2012 2:16:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, djte...@gmail.com writes: But a fundamental problem remains: the projection of prints is simply too costly and difficult to serve the breadth of the audience who wants or needs those things experimental film has to offer, which is why such imperfect institutions as UbuWeb and Karagarga exist. > > So why don't the teachers of these classes just REQUIRE these students to view actual film prints? Like, who's in charge? I don't get this idea of the "audience" wanting this rather than that. If the teachers want film, then that's what their "audience" gets. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] What is to be done? was "canyon in the news"
People are not renting films or going to the theater in numbers that will help sustain these organizations, and i don't think we can turn back the tide.Don't mean to be so down, but i think we all know this. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: David Tetzlaff To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: [Frameworks] What is to be done? was "canyon in the news" I genuinely hope we can have a discussion, starting with the question of 'what really matters?' I have my own thoughts, but I want to hear what other people think and see if maybe some new ideas might emerge, you know, in dialogue. Why is 'experimental film' important? Why does 'the world' need it? What does it do? How are these OUTCOMES special and not served by other art forms? Who comprises the potential audience, the people who might appreciate, love, need this work? Chuck has already mentioned that cinema screenings are significant social experiences. I was thinking more about the cultural properties of 'the texts,' but of course exhibition matters as well. So what social functions or experiences are attendant to experimental screenings that are different from screenings of commercial cinema, or even documentary/art-house fare for that matter? My working assumption is that we have conflated physical forms with the value of the cultural material they have carried, and unwisely focused on the preservation of the former, rather than the preservation and _further dissemination_ of the latter. Even if you think the physical media and the cultural value are inseperable, IMHO it remains a worthwhile exercise, if only in an art historical sense, to clarify why this work matters, what it adds to the world. FWIW, I do not think such a discussion will proceed productively in the typical email mode of jotting off quick, one-line rejoinders. I suggest the signs of the times merit more considered replies. (I mean really, Kodak declares bankruptcy, Canyon declares they might go under, and there's another crisis at Millenium all within the space of a month or so?) ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Marcel
http://www.sensesofcinema.com/2011/feature-articles/keeping-experimental-and-%E2%80%9Cdifferent-cinema%E2%80%9D-alive-an-interview-with-marcel-maze/ I found this nice interview on-line. http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Marcel for ever
Can you provide and english translation of the bio? Thanks Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Pip Chodorov To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Marcel for ever Marcel Mazé programmed the Festival de Hyères in the south of France from 1970-1983, and he founded the first Paris filmmakers' cooperative: Le Collectif Jeune Cinéma, based on the same rules as the New York coop as told to him by Jonas Mekas on a visit to Paris in 1970. The group is still active and just celebrated their 40th anniversary. Marcel also created the Festival des Cinémas Différents which is still going strong - the 13th festival took place in December in Paris. The Collectif still does distribution, programming, education and organizes the festival yearly. It is thanks to Marcel's energy and generosity that this group has survived and is still going strong in the spirit of cooperation and democracy among the member filmmakers of Paris who take turns on the board and managing different aspects of the business from year to year. Here is Marcel's blog: http://www.tictalik.com/ He was a great friend and a galvanizing figure in the Paris avant-garde film scene for over 40 years. He will be missed by all of us. -Pip Chodorov ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Film Show
I'll be organizing a new film show at the Old Bridge(N.J.) Public Library at the End Of April. If any of you have work to show(30 min or less),please e-mail me. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Re-authored Imagery Culled from Commercial DVDs
I'm on both. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Adam Hyman To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Re-authored Imagery Culled from Commercial DVDs Re: [Frameworks] Re-authored Imagery Culled from Commercial DVDs Hi Ken, I just replied to your email with the same query on the Doculink list... Are you and I the only ones on both of these lists? Happy New Year! Adam On 1/2/12 7:39 AM, "Ken Paul Rosenthal" wrote: I would like to make a collage documentary consisting of very short, 3 to 5 second clips (possibly longer) relative to my theme, culled from pre-1960 Hollywood films. My question is two-fold: First, are there any intellectual property issues regarding image and sound, given the length of the clips? The project won't have a theatrical release, only film festivals and self-distribution. Secondly, what would be the best method for ripping these clips from a dvd of the original source film? > >Thanks, Ken >www.crookedbeautythefilm.com (Academic) >www.crookedbeauty.com (Public) >www.kenpaulrosenthal.com > > >> >___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Happy New Year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V_ufJXl4iY&context=C3df7203ADOEgsToPDskKeaJs_ehvIvlzYHi6IuPkb . Happy New Year. The World is gonna end you know. Live it up. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Little Princess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im_bKiXmjqU&feature=youtube_gdata . Just did this one. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] OS-2
http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007/videos . Just finished this one. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Tub
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10eu7U8Dr_I&context=C25b82ADOEgsToPDskKeaJs_ehvIvlzYHi6IuPkb . Tub. http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Travelogues
http://mubi.com/films/visions-in-meditation-2-mesa-verde . Thought of this. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: John Warren To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Travelogues check out the films of the late Mark LaPore, especially "Depression in the Bay of Bengal" On Nov 10, 2011, at 9:41 AM, Adam R. Levine wrote: > Hello you, > > I am trying to pull together a list of experimental films that either fall > directly under the category of "travelogue" or bear witness to travel and > distance from a point of origin on the part of the filmmaker. These would not > be so much ethnographic works which are part of a sustained cultural > exchange, but films made as a result of the filmmaker "passing through" and > acknowledging the looming spectre/problem/pleasure of "the tourist film". > Warren Sonbert, perhaps John Smith's "The Hotel Diaries"? I'm sure there are > others...but can you name them? > > Thanks/Grazie/Kiitos! > > ARL > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Travelogues
Not sure if Man With A Movie Camera by Vertov would count, it's worth a look. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Adam R. Levine To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:41 AM Subject: [Frameworks] Travelogues Hello you, I am trying to pull together a list of experimental films that either fall directly under the category of "travelogue" or bear witness to travel and distance from a point of origin on the part of the filmmaker. These would not be so much ethnographic works which are part of a sustained cultural exchange, but films made as a result of the filmmaker "passing through" and acknowledging the looming spectre/problem/pleasure of "the tourist film". Warren Sonbert, perhaps John Smith's "The Hotel Diaries"? I'm sure there are others...but can you name them? Thanks/Grazie/Kiitos! ARL ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Film Show
Contact: Jeremy Newman [jeremy.new...@stockton.edu] Note:DVD Screener is Available for Review by the Press Documentary Screening & Poetry Reading at Old Bridge Filmmakers Showcase Jeremy Newman’s documentary video “The Amnesiac’s Birthday” about bipolar NJ poet Terri Adamczyk will be screened at the Old Bridge Filmmakers Showcase on Saturday November 5th at the Old Bridge Public Library. A poetry reading by Adamczyk follows this screening. Local filmmaker Matt Helme is the Old Bridge Filmmakers Showcase Program Director. In this hour-long video, Newman explores Adamczyk’s story of familial dysfunction and reconciliation through the lens of manic-depression. Her poems weave biological and situational threads into an indelible tapestry. She recounts suicidal thoughts tempered by the love of family, cutting with glass shards, and recovery through electroconvulsive therapy (ECT). He borrows the title from her poem about treatment, memory loss, and re-birth. “The Amnesiac’s Birthday” examines the nature versus nurture debate, as well as the intersections between manic-depression, creativity, and faith. This video ultimately offers hope for those who suffer from mental illness and their families. Adamczyk overcomes adversity through perseverance and courage. Her haunting poems probe the depths of despair, yet they represent the triumph of the human spirit. Not only is it a miracle that they exist, their fragile beauty is a testament to her talent and faith. Jeremy Newman has directed numerous documentary and experimental videos. His work is frequently shown at film festivals and has also aired on several PBS stations. He is Assistant Professor of Communications at The Richard Stockton College of New Jersey. Newman earned an MFA in Media Arts from The Ohio State University. Terri Adamczyk earned an MFA in Creative Writing from University of Massachusetts Amherst. Her poems are published in “The Philadelphia Independent” and by theNational Obsessive-Compulsive Foundation. Adamczyk reads her poems at venues throughout New Jersey such as the Collingswood Book Festival. Event Details: Free Event – Documentary Screening and Poetry Reading Saturday, November 5th, 2011 at 1:30 PM Old Bridge Public Library in Old Bridge, NJ [www.oldbridgelibrary.org/] http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Music video for the band CAVE
Nice! Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Isaac Alpert Sherman To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 6:11 PM Subject: [Frameworks] Music video for the band CAVE Hey Framework Here's a music video I made for the band CAVE from Chicago. Thought I'd share with ya. http://vimeo.com/29078252 Love Isaac ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] RIP the movie camera
They will last as long as you want them too. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: "carli...@aol.com" To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] RIP the movie camera In a message dated 10/22/2011 12:08:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dcinema2...@yahoo.com writes: Not building any more film cameras? Those film cameras are built to last. I know people shooting film with 1940s Eyemos >and 1930s Mitchells. Wonder where all those digital Genesis and Origins will >be in five years. >Maybe Ebay. > > I agree here as well. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting really sick and tired of all this digital snarkiness. I'm also waiting for the day when a modern digital video camera-- and face it, that's what it is, video -- will physically last as long as the most average Super 8 or 16 one, let alone 35mm. And when they don't-- which they won't-- will their discardability and obsolescence then be seen as a philosophical virtue? Probably.Pacific Daylight Time, dcinema2...@yahoo.com writes: Not building any more film cameras? Those film cameras are built to last. I know people shooting film with 1940s Eyemos >and 1930s Mitchells. Wonder where all those digital Genesis and Origins will >be in five years. >Maybe Ebay. > > I agree here as well. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting really sick and tired of all this digital snarkiness. I'm also waiting for the day when a modern digital video camera-- and face it, that's what it is, video -- will physically last as long as the most average Super 8 or 16 one, let alone 35mm. And when they don't-- which they won't-- will their discardability and obsolescence then be seen as a philosophical virtue? Probably. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] RIP the movie camera
Yes, and people still make work with an old Fisher Price pixelvision camera. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Francisco Torres To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] RIP the movie camera Not building any more film cameras? Those film cameras are built to last. I know people shooting film with 1940s Eyemos and 1930s Mitchells. Wonder where all those digital Genesis and Origins will be in five years. Maybe Ebay. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera
We may be able to pick-up an old Panavision at a garage sale one day. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Alex McCarron To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera Please, for the love of god, let's not have another long thread about film's obsolescence. I would however like to know what this means for the price of second hand cameras. Will forces even out? More people will want to dump them but more people will also feel the panicked need to pick up the remaining working ones or broken ones for parts? Alex On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Tom Whiteside wrote: It’s an interesting article, and thanks for posting. However, I must ask – how many people on Frameworks EVER bought a new Panavision or Aaton camera? Does it really make any difference to us if these cameras are no longer manufactured? The experimental film community has worked primarily with second hand equipment, almost exclusively in what is known as “sub-standard” formats, since mid-20th century. I drive a Honda, and if Maserati stopped producing cars today it really would not affect my ability to get around town. > >The ongoing obsession with hand-wringing over film obsolescence (inevitable, >but not immediate) seems misguided to me, simply a waste of energy. If you >look into the future, can you see that you will still have food to eat and >water to drink? I loved Kodachrome and it is a pity that I can no longer >process the few rolls I recently found in the bottom of a box in my studio, >but that is not going to stop me from making motion pictures. > >- Tom Whiteside Durham, NC > >From:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com >[mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Lars Fuchs >Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:55 AM > >To: Experimental Film Discussion List > >Subject: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera > >This isn't good news. > >http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/film-fading-to-black > > >-- >Honk! If you like funny. > >edi...@klipper.tv >(347) 469-1964 > >___ >FrameWorks mailing list >FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera
Has the production of film camera's been phased out in Europe? Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Lars Fuchs To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: [Frameworks] Article: The Last film camera This isn't good news. http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/film-fading-to-black -- Honk! If you like funny. edi...@klipper.tv(347) 469-1964 ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Hand made film stocks
I think Brakhage used splicing tape to make mothlight. Do you really need film? Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Tim Halloran To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Hand made film stocks Do a simple search and answers are found. I guess a few people are already making their own: http://www.winnipegfilmgroup.com/handmade_emulsion.aspx http://www.handmadefilm.org/resources/technicalResources/processes/emulsionMaking/silverGelatin/silverGelatinEmulsion.html http://unblinkingeye.com/Articles/Emulsion/emulsion.html Maybe this is the future of our craft. Tim Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 11:04:41 -0700 From: dcinema2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Forbes editorial about Kodak To: televis...@hotmail.com CC: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com I meant you could always make film.Not sure what would be involved in doing that. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Tim Halloran To: dcinema2...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 10:03 AM Subject: RE: [Frameworks] Forbes editorial about Kodak Interesting little videos, but what do they have to do with "making film?" When I saw your message I thought I was going to be linked to something about actually hand producing film stocks. Does anyone know of anybody who is doing this, or has thought of doing it? I guess you meant "you could always make a film. No? Tim Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:17:20 -0700 From: dcinema2...@yahoo.com To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Forbes editorial about Kodak I guess you could always make film? Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Pip Chodorov To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Forbes editorial about Kodak These are my sentiments exactly, and I also use Eudora. But let's see what happens - maybe film will surprise us and survive. Let's have this discussion in five years or so when instead of 6-8 companies making film perhaps there are only 2-3. -Pip At 10:18 -0700 6/10/11, Aaron F. Ross wrote: >It's OK, I always wear a flame-retardant vest while on the Internet. ;) > >BTW, as I said before, I'm not a hater. I just think critically about >technology. Cases in point: I don't have a smartphone. I still have >my collection of vinyl records. And I'm still using the same email >program, Eudora, that I used back in the 1990s during the first round >of "Flameworks" posts that forced me off the list. And why do I cling >to these old ways? Not because they're old, not because I resist >change, but because I have evaluated my needs and decided that these >older technologies are better for me. New is not necessarily good, >and old is not necessarily good, either. But in the case of celluloid >film, very soon it will be a moot point, because you won't be able to >buy it for love or money. -- > >Aaron > ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Forbes editorial about Kodak
I meant you could always make film.Not sure what would be involved in doing that. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Tim Halloran To: dcinema2...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 10:03 AM Subject: RE: [Frameworks] Forbes editorial about Kodak Interesting little videos, but what do they have to do with "making film?" When I saw your message I thought I was going to be linked to something about actually hand producing film stocks. Does anyone know of anybody who is doing this, or has thought of doing it? I guess you meant "you could always make a film. No? Tim Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:17:20 -0700 From: dcinema2...@yahoo.com To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Forbes editorial about Kodak I guess you could always make film? Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Pip Chodorov To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Forbes editorial about Kodak These are my sentiments exactly, and I also use Eudora. But let's see what happens - maybe film will surprise us and survive. Let's have this discussion in five years or so when instead of 6-8 companies making film perhaps there are only 2-3. -Pip At 10:18 -0700 6/10/11, Aaron F. Ross wrote: >It's OK, I always wear a flame-retardant vest while on the Internet. ;) > >BTW, as I said before, I'm not a hater. I just think critically about >technology. Cases in point: I don't have a smartphone. I still have >my collection of vinyl records. And I'm still using the same email >program, Eudora, that I used back in the 1990s during the first round >of "Flameworks" posts that forced me off the list. And why do I cling >to these old ways? Not because they're old, not because I resist >change, but because I have evaluated my needs and decided that these >older technologies are better for me. New is not necessarily good, >and old is not necessarily good, either. But in the case of celluloid >film, very soon it will be a moot point, because you won't be able to >buy it for love or money. -- > >Aaron > ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Forbes editorial about Kodak
I guess you could always make film? Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Pip Chodorov To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Forbes editorial about Kodak These are my sentiments exactly, and I also use Eudora. But let's see what happens - maybe film will surprise us and survive. Let's have this discussion in five years or so when instead of 6-8 companies making film perhaps there are only 2-3. -Pip At 10:18 -0700 6/10/11, Aaron F. Ross wrote: >It's OK, I always wear a flame-retardant vest while on the Internet. ;) > >BTW, as I said before, I'm not a hater. I just think critically about >technology. Cases in point: I don't have a smartphone. I still have >my collection of vinyl records. And I'm still using the same email >program, Eudora, that I used back in the 1990s during the first round >of "Flameworks" posts that forced me off the list. And why do I cling >to these old ways? Not because they're old, not because I resist >change, but because I have evaluated my needs and decided that these >older technologies are better for me. New is not necessarily good, >and old is not necessarily good, either. But in the case of celluloid >film, very soon it will be a moot point, because you won't be able to >buy it for love or money. -- > >Aaron > ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Forbes editorial about Kodak
You have Fuji,for now? Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: David Tetzlaff To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Forbes editorial about Kodak What's important about the Forbes piece is not the precise details (Kodak Park may not be shuttered, but it was more or less a ghost town as of 5 or 6 years ago), but the fact that a major business publication is looking at Kodak's stock collapse as a sign of 'the end.' Forbes is not going to print anything like that if Kodak has real chance of pulling out of it's tailspin. There's really nothing new here... The questions remain: - What will happen to Kodak's motion picture stock business? - If Kodak's film unit is just shut-down, rather then sold etc., what limitations will be imposed by whatever appears in it's place to provide small gauge filmmakers with material (SOMETHING will, but what?) Strangely, for Frameworks, Aaron Ross seems to view things from the standpoint of the mainstream entertainment media biz, and from that perspective, he's no doubt correct. 35mm will hold on for a number of years, mainly because small theaters cannot afford the capital outlay to go to digital projection. But once that obstacle gets overcome, the 'movie biz' will be essentially all-digital. I don't go out to 'the movies' much any more, but I did go see 'Drive' last night. The multiplex seems to have converted all or almost all of it's screens to DLP. I have been going to this theater over the course of 10 or 11 years now, and had many poor-quality viewing experiences there: films out of focus; uneven focal planes; multitudes of bad audio issues... 35mm projection is pretty complicated technology, and requires people who know what they're doing to be presented properly. And as we all know, the exhibitors cast aside professional projectionists long ago, leaving their multiple screens on some kind of automation system under the supervision of a single minimum-wage teen-age employee who had no idea how to handle any kind of problems, which happened pretty regularly... I realized last night that digital fixes all that. No mechanical issues. No film to handle. No analog audio path to get messed up with ground loops. No deterioration of the print. The corporations have what they want now: dutiful machines do all the real work, and a minimal staff of disposable low-wage workers is all that's required to run the show. For the average moviegoer, this is an improvement. However 'cold' or 'dead' or whatever digital projection may seem to some in comparison to film, most people aren't going to care, and at the retail end out in the suburbs and towns it's going to work a lot better and more reliably. Me, I'd MUCH rather watch a nice print projected properly (but then, I like real newspapers, magazines, books... you know, on paper...), but, really, over the years it's been like a 50/50 proposition at best that that's what you'll get for your $10. 'Product' continues to be separated not just from 'art' but from human craft more generally. This should not come as a surprise. (For a good account of this process as history and concept, read Harry Braverman's 'Labor and Monopoly Capital'. Don't be scared by the title or cover, which evoke fears of thick academic jargon and proclamations of doctrinaire Marxist cant. It's actually an engaging read, and the politics aren't shouty at all...) ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Cyrus
http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 . My nephew cyrus. http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.matthelme.webs.com/___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Dance films
http://www.youtube.com/user/DynomyteFilms#p/a/u/2/iY843H_SFHA . I thought this might fit the bill. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.matthelme.webs.com/ From: rachelle To: Experimental Film Discussion List Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Dance films Hello There Amy Greenfield specializes in experimental dance films and does Elaine Summers. On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Shumona Goel wrote: > Dear Frameworks, > > I am researching experimental, dance films. If any titles come to mind, > please share them at your convenience. > > Thank you, > Shumona ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
