Re: [Frameworks] drugged

[matt's frameworks address]

While not directly druggie, early German Expressionistic films,
particularily Metropolis, have some of the earliest subjective portrayals
of mind-altered states using "flashy over-the-top visual signifiers."

Oliver Stone's "The Doors" has some interesting transitions that sequence
to/from hallucinogenic moments, and Asiel Norton's film "Redland" has a very
interestingly crafted hallucination scene.

"Light is Waiting" and other films by Michael Robinson.

And don't we have to mention Pink Floyd's The Wall and the original Willy
Wonka and the Chocolate Factory?

-matt


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> Hello Frameworkers,
>
> I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
> that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
> been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
> what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
> what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!
>
> Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
> genre, thanks in advance.
>
> Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
> beauty in it.
>
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Re: [Frameworks] drugged

[Jim Flannery]

Jan Kounen's _Renegade_ (based on Moebius' "Blueberry" comics) has the
most effective "coming on" moment I've seen anywhere.

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Re: [Frameworks] drugged

[elizabeth mcmahon]

Alright, if you're going to go there, then you have to consider, too, "The 
5,000 Fingers of Dr. T." It is one of the trippiest (not druggiest) films I 
have ever, ever seen. And most fun. And scary. Oh, did I mention, trippy? 
Funny, no-one's mentioned "Hair." Try to convince me those people/actors 
weren't high.

Elizabeth


>
> From: Jeff Silva 
>To: Experimental Film Discussion List  
>Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 11:31 AM
>Subject: Re: [Frameworks] drugged
>  
>
>Vincent Price takes LSD in "The Tingler" to induce his fear experiment.  I 
>don't recall flashy imagery but it is certainly a fascinating scene and a fun 
>movie.
>
>
>Best,
>Jeff
>
>
>Jeff Silva
>
>http://www.jeffdanielsilva.com/
>http://www.balaganfilms.com/
>  
>
>On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:38 PM, Andy Ditzler  wrote:
>
>Hi Eric, 
>>
>>
>>Try:
>>
>>
>>John Hawkins, LSD Wall (1965) clay animation of a trip (with a dedication to 
>>his dealer!)
>>Storm De Hirsch, Peyote Queen (1965)
>>Eric Emerson's monologue sequence in reel 9 of Warhol's The Chelsea Girls is 
>>a tour de force, and reportedly was performed under the influence of LSD 
>>(though I don't know that he ever confirmed this). It certainly seems that 
>>way.  
>>Ben van Meter's beautiful film "S.F. Trips Festival." 
>>Robert Cowan's Rockflow (1967) isn't representational of a trip, but does 
>>have trippy movement and imagery - it's a delight.  
>>There are clips floating around of a film called "Syd Barrett's First Trip."
>>
>>
>>Andy Ditzler
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Eric Theise  wrote:
>>
>>Hello Frameworkers,
>>>
>>>I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
>>>that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
>>>been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
>>>what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
>>>what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!
>>>
>>>Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
>>>genre, thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
>>>beauty in it.
>>>
>>>--Eric
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Re: [Frameworks] drugged

[J Vent]

Ok, perhaps, but those are very subjective distinctions, semantics aside I
was responding to the request for: "the way hallucinatory and other drug
experiences have been portrayed on-screen". And yes those two films are
generally devoid of any hippy-dippy peace n love cultural references to
tripping. But certainly qualify in the request for "over-the-top visual
signifiers."

For example, Quadrophenia is no hippy trope either, but has great drug
culture images, both objective and subjective views are well referenced.

Maybe I took the "other" to be more significant than intended in the
original post, hence my range of suggestions.

peace,

JV


On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) <
em...@foryourhead.com> wrote:

> I think there is an important distinction between trippy and drugged.
> "Drugstore Cowboy and Sid and Nancy I'd call drugged but not trippy.
>
>
>
> At 12:40 PM -0800 2/10/13, J Vent wrote:
>
>> Don't forget to look at things like Cheech and Chong flicks, and other
>> comedies in this vein, Dazed and Confused, (loosely) Donny Darko, etc.
>>
>> ok I'm done.
>>
>> JV
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:32 PM, J Vent <> gmail.com 
>> >jvent.subscriptions@**gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Certainly there are the bits with the high on speed/acid/booze Hells
>> Angels and others (hanging about on stage, before the murder,) from the
>> Maysles film "Gimme Shelter" and though not a psychedelic drug film, there
>> are few films that are druggier than "Requiem for a Dream" and I guess
>> "Drugstore Cowboy" might be considered in that way too. Oh, and then of
>> course there is the more recent "A Scanner Darkly".
>>
>> Puff N Stuff has been mentioned so I'll include my reference to the "Mr.
>> Show" episode that puts the Sid and Marty Croft man in a suit Saturday
>> morning kids shows into a proper context, i.e., Lidsville, Sigmond and the
>> Sea Monster, etcsupper druggy and funny.
>>
>> If your looking for more transgressive depictions of drug/underground
>> culture then look into the films of Richard Kern and the other
>> Transgressive filmmakers, "Right Side of My Brain" and others from his
>> canon might help.
>>
>> others:
>>
>> "Rivers Edge" - weed/booze/speed/narcotics
>> "Quadrophenia - speed/booze/weed
>> "Dogstar Man" certainly looks druggy
>> "What We Do is Secret" - Germs/Darby Crash biopic heroin/speed/weed/booze
>> "Sid and Nancy" - you name it
>> "Martin" - vampirism as drug addiction - George Romero
>> "Addiction" (also vampirism as drug addiction) , "Bad Lieutenant" - Abel
>> Ferrara
>> Loads of goofy getting it ridiculously wrong drug stuff in the old cop
>> show "Adam-12."
>>
>> Thats a pretty disparate group I've listed but hope it helps in some way.
>>
>> Joe V.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Watter, Seth <> seth_wat...@brown.edu**>seth_wat...@brown.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Ken Russell's Altered States: William Hurt tripping in the desert with
>> natives.
>>
>> Seth
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 10, 2013, Francisco Torres wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Back in the late 60s/ early 70s most TV cop shows included a "trip"
>> sequence. The trend culminated with The French Connection 2 infamous heroin
>> room. Most of those trips were more funny than scary
>> Some TV series were a trip like Land of the Giants and Puff N Stuff
>> (Which we 5th graders used to call "Puffing stuff" back in 72). Nixon TV
>> press conferences were also quite trippy.
>>
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Re: [Frameworks] drugged

[Jeff Silva]

Vincent Price takes LSD in "The Tingler" to induce his fear experiment.  I 
don't recall flashy imagery but it is certainly a fascinating scene and a fun 
movie.

Best,
Jeff

Jeff Silva

http://www.jeffdanielsilva.com
http://www.balaganfilms.com


On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:38 PM, Andy Ditzler  wrote:

> Hi Eric, 
> 
> Try:
> 
> John Hawkins, LSD Wall (1965) clay animation of a trip (with a dedication to 
> his dealer!)
> Storm De Hirsch, Peyote Queen (1965)
> Eric Emerson's monologue sequence in reel 9 of Warhol's The Chelsea Girls is 
> a tour de force, and reportedly was performed under the influence of LSD 
> (though I don't know that he ever confirmed this). It certainly seems that 
> way. 
> Ben van Meter's beautiful film "S.F. Trips Festival." 
> Robert Cowan's Rockflow (1967) isn't representational of a trip, but does 
> have trippy movement and imagery - it's a delight. 
> There are clips floating around of a film called "Syd Barrett's First Trip."
> 
> Andy Ditzler
> 
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Eric Theise  wrote:
> Hello Frameworkers,
> 
> I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
> that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
> been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
> what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
> what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!
> 
> Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
> genre, thanks in advance.
> 
> Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
> beauty in it.
> 
> --Eric
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Re: [Frameworks] drugged

[elizabeth mcmahon]

"Peyote Queen." Excellent suggestion. Now, again, this more druggy than trippy, 
but I'll defer to you so I'll throw it out anyways. Shirley Clarke's "The 
Connection."

Elizabeth


>
> From: Andy Ditzler 
>To: Experimental Film Discussion List  
>Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 11:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [Frameworks] drugged
>  
>
>Hi Eric, 
>
>
>Try:
>
>
>John Hawkins, LSD Wall (1965) clay animation of a trip (with a dedication to 
>his dealer!)
>Storm De Hirsch, Peyote Queen (1965)
>Eric Emerson's monologue sequence in reel 9 of Warhol's The Chelsea Girls is a 
>tour de force, and reportedly was performed under the influence of LSD (though 
>I don't know that he ever confirmed this). It certainly seems that way.  
>Ben van Meter's beautiful film "S.F. Trips Festival." 
>Robert Cowan's Rockflow (1967) isn't representational of a trip, but does have 
>trippy movement and imagery - it's a delight.  
>There are clips floating around of a film called "Syd Barrett's First Trip."
>
>
>Andy Ditzler
>
>
>On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Eric Theise  wrote:
>
>Hello Frameworkers,
>>
>>I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
>>that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
>>been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
>>what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
>>what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!
>>
>>Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
>>genre, thanks in advance.
>>
>>Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
>>beauty in it.
>>
>>--Eric
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Re: [Frameworks] drugged

[C Keefer]

LSD by Jordan Belson. Currently being preserved.

parts of Yellow Submarine?

Cindy Keefer
Center for Visual Music
www.centerforvisualmusic.org
cvmaccess at gmail dot com
 
 
>From: Eric Theise 
>To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
>Subject: [Frameworks] drugged
 
>
>Hello Frameworkers,
>
>I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
>that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
>been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
>what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
>what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!
>
>Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
>genre, thanks in advance.
>
>Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
>beauty in it.
>
>--Eric
 
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Re: [Frameworks] drugged

[Andy Ditzler]

Hi Eric,

Try:

John Hawkins, LSD Wall (1965) clay animation of a trip (with a dedication
to his dealer!)
Storm De Hirsch, Peyote Queen (1965)
Eric Emerson's monologue sequence in reel 9 of Warhol's The Chelsea Girls
is a tour de force, and reportedly was performed under the influence of LSD
(though I don't know that he ever confirmed this). It certainly seems that
way.
Ben van Meter's beautiful film "S.F. Trips Festival."
Robert Cowan's Rockflow (1967) isn't representational of a trip, but does
have trippy movement and imagery - it's a delight.
There are clips floating around of a film called "Syd Barrett's First Trip."

Andy Ditzler

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Eric Theise  wrote:

> Hello Frameworkers,
>
> I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
> that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
> been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
> what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
> what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!
>
> Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
> genre, thanks in advance.
>
> Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
> beauty in it.
>
> --Eric
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Re: [Frameworks] drugged

[Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)]

I think there is an important distinction between trippy and drugged. 
"Drugstore Cowboy and Sid and Nancy I'd call drugged but not trippy.



At 12:40 PM -0800 2/10/13, J Vent wrote:
Don't forget to look at things like Cheech and Chong flicks, and 
other comedies in this vein, Dazed and Confused, (loosely) Donny 
Darko, etc.


ok I'm done.

JV


On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:32 PM, J Vent 
<jvent.subscripti...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Certainly there are the bits with the high on speed/acid/booze Hells 
Angels and others (hanging about on stage, before the murder,) from 
the Maysles film "Gimme Shelter" and though not a psychedelic drug 
film, there are few films that are druggier than "Requiem for a 
Dream" and I guess "Drugstore Cowboy" might be considered in that 
way too. Oh, and then of course there is the more recent "A Scanner 
Darkly".


Puff N Stuff has been mentioned so I'll include my reference to the 
"Mr. Show" episode that puts the Sid and Marty Croft man in a suit 
Saturday morning kids shows into a proper context, i.e., Lidsville, 
Sigmond and the Sea Monster, etcsupper druggy and funny.


If your looking for more transgressive depictions of 
drug/underground culture then look into the films of Richard Kern 
and the other Transgressive filmmakers, "Right Side of My Brain" and 
others from his canon might help.


others:

"Rivers Edge" - weed/booze/speed/narcotics
"Quadrophenia - speed/booze/weed
"Dogstar Man" certainly looks druggy
"What We Do is Secret" - Germs/Darby Crash biopic heroin/speed/weed/booze
"Sid and Nancy" - you name it
"Martin" - vampirism as drug addiction - George Romero
"Addiction" (also vampirism as drug addiction) , "Bad Lieutenant" - 
Abel Ferrara
Loads of goofy getting it ridiculously wrong drug stuff in the old 
cop show "Adam-12."


Thats a pretty disparate group I've listed but hope it helps in some way.

Joe V.





On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Watter, Seth 
<seth_wat...@brown.edu> wrote:


Ken Russell's Altered States: William Hurt tripping in the desert 
with natives.


Seth


On Sunday, February 10, 2013, Francisco Torres wrote:




Back in the late 60s/ early 70s most TV cop shows included a "trip" 
sequence. The trend culminated with The French Connection 2 infamous 
heroin room. Most of those trips were more funny than scary
Some TV series were a trip like Land of the Giants and Puff N Stuff 
(Which we 5th graders used to call "Puffing stuff" back in 72). 
Nixon TV press conferences were also quite trippy.



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[J Vent]

Don't forget to look at things like Cheech and Chong flicks, and other
comedies in this vein, Dazed and Confused, (loosely) Donny Darko, etc.

ok I'm done.

JV


On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:32 PM, J Vent wrote:

> Certainly there are the bits with the high on speed/acid/booze Hells
> Angels and others (hanging about on stage, before the murder,) from the
> Maysles film "Gimme Shelter" and though not a psychedelic drug film, there
> are few films that are druggier than "Requiem for a Dream" and I guess
> "Drugstore Cowboy" might be considered in that way too. Oh, and then of
> course there is the more recent "A Scanner Darkly".
>
> Puff N Stuff has been mentioned so I'll include my reference to the "Mr.
> Show" episode that puts the Sid and Marty Croft man in a suit Saturday
> morning kids shows into a proper context, i.e., Lidsville, Sigmond and the
> Sea Monster, etcsupper druggy and funny.
>
> If your looking for more transgressive depictions of drug/underground
> culture then look into the films of Richard Kern and the other
> Transgressive filmmakers, "Right Side of My Brain" and others from his
> canon might help.
>
> others:
>
> "Rivers Edge" - weed/booze/speed/narcotics
> "Quadrophenia - speed/booze/weed
> "Dogstar Man" certainly looks druggy
> "What We Do is Secret" - Germs/Darby Crash biopic heroin/speed/weed/booze
> "Sid and Nancy" - you name it
> "Martin" - vampirism as drug addiction - George Romero
> "Addiction" (also vampirism as drug addiction) , "Bad Lieutenant" - Abel
> Ferrara
> Loads of goofy getting it ridiculously wrong drug stuff in the old cop
> show "Adam-12."
>
> Thats a pretty disparate group I've listed but hope it helps in some way.
>
> Joe V.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Watter, Seth wrote:
>
>> Ken Russell's Altered States: William Hurt tripping in the desert with
>> natives.
>>
>> Seth
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 10, 2013, Francisco Torres wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Back in the late 60s/ early 70s most TV cop shows included a "trip"
>>> sequence. The trend culminated with The French Connection 2 infamous heroin
>>> room. Most of those trips were more funny than scary
>>> Some TV series were a trip like Land of the Giants and Puff N Stuff
>>> (Which we 5th graders used to call "Puffing stuff" back in 72). Nixon TV
>>> press conferences were also quite trippy.
>>>
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[J Vent]

Certainly there are the bits with the high on speed/acid/booze Hells Angels
and others (hanging about on stage, before the murder,) from the Maysles
film "Gimme Shelter" and though not a psychedelic drug film, there are few
films that are druggier than "Requiem for a Dream" and I guess "Drugstore
Cowboy" might be considered in that way too. Oh, and then of course there
is the more recent "A Scanner Darkly".

Puff N Stuff has been mentioned so I'll include my reference to the "Mr.
Show" episode that puts the Sid and Marty Croft man in a suit Saturday
morning kids shows into a proper context, i.e., Lidsville, Sigmond and the
Sea Monster, etcsupper druggy and funny.

If your looking for more transgressive depictions of drug/underground
culture then look into the films of Richard Kern and the other
Transgressive filmmakers, "Right Side of My Brain" and others from his
canon might help.

others:

"Rivers Edge" - weed/booze/speed/narcotics
"Quadrophenia - speed/booze/weed
"Dogstar Man" certainly looks druggy
"What We Do is Secret" - Germs/Darby Crash biopic heroin/speed/weed/booze
"Sid and Nancy" - you name it
"Martin" - vampirism as drug addiction - George Romero
"Addiction" (also vampirism as drug addiction) , "Bad Lieutenant" - Abel
Ferrara
Loads of goofy getting it ridiculously wrong drug stuff in the old cop show
"Adam-12."

Thats a pretty disparate group I've listed but hope it helps in some way.

Joe V.





On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Watter, Seth wrote:

> Ken Russell's Altered States: William Hurt tripping in the desert with
> natives.
>
> Seth
>
>
> On Sunday, February 10, 2013, Francisco Torres wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Back in the late 60s/ early 70s most TV cop shows included a "trip"
>> sequence. The trend culminated with The French Connection 2 infamous heroin
>> room. Most of those trips were more funny than scary
>> Some TV series were a trip like Land of the Giants and Puff N Stuff
>> (Which we 5th graders used to call "Puffing stuff" back in 72). Nixon TV
>> press conferences were also quite trippy.
>>
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[Julianna Schley]

Check out Ben Russell's series "Trypps."

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Eric Theise  wrote:

> Hello Frameworkers,
>
> I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
> that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
> been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
> what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
> what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!
>
> Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
> genre, thanks in advance.
>
> Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
> beauty in it.
>
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[Watter, Seth]

Ken Russell's Altered States: William Hurt tripping in the desert with
natives.

Seth

On Sunday, February 10, 2013, Francisco Torres wrote:

>
>
>
> Back in the late 60s/ early 70s most TV cop shows included a "trip"
> sequence. The trend culminated with The French Connection 2 infamous heroin
> room. Most of those trips were more funny than scary
> Some TV series were a trip like Land of the Giants and Puff N Stuff (Which
> we 5th graders used to call "Puffing stuff" back in 72). Nixon TV press
> conferences were also quite trippy.
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[Francisco Torres]

Back in the late 60s/ early 70s most TV cop shows included a "trip"
sequence. The trend culminated with The French Connection 2 infamous heroin
room. Most of those trips were more funny than scary
Some TV series were a trip like Land of the Giants and Puff N Stuff (Which
we 5th graders used to call "Puffing stuff" back in 72). Nixon TV press
conferences were also quite trippy.
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[David Baker]

Thinking about the trope of the trip in the manner lets say  Amos  
Vogel's Cinema 16 might hypothetically have considered this theme:


I would suggest Tex Avery's King Size Canary (1947) in which an elixir  
called "Jumbo-Gro" allows for a mouse, a cat and a canary to move past  
each other in successive surrealistic expansions.
Juxtaposing this cartoon with the 1977 Eames Office's-  Powers of Ten:  
A Film Dealing with the Relative Size of Things in the Universe

and The Effect Of Adding Another Zero...
followed by the micro miniaturization in Fantastic Voyage (1966)  
described as "the original psychedelic inner space adventure"
might create the requisite loosening of strictures in the brain and  
concomitant mind manifesting tendencies.


Bob Clampett's black and white Porky in Wackyland and the color remake  
by Friz Freleng called Dough For The Do-Do (1949)

work for me. So does Chuck Jones's Duck Amuck (1953).

I'd even want to open the door to Duchamp's - Anemic Cinema (1926).

Tony Conrad's The Flicker (1966)
Jud Yalkut's - Kusama Self-Obliteration (1968)
Barbara Rubin's Christmas On Earth (1963)
are all obvious classics in the genre.

Importantly pioneer animator Emile Cohl's inventory of inebriation
The Hasher's Delirium (1910) should be considered.

Scott Nyerges's - Autumnal (2008) is hardcore, hallucinogenically  
speaking.


It is almost sacrilegious to mention Brakhage's The Dante Quartet in  
this context

but it never stops working on me in its hallucinatory majesty !
Once you see it you're never going to be the same.

Finally nobody has worked me harder in throwing down the psychotropic  
gauntlet more than

Ken Jacobs in his legendary Nervous System Performances of yore.
Truest to the phenomena-like "Did you just see what I saw?" nature of  
the drug experience,
this performative enterprise, since retired , was something you had to  
be there to believe.
Fundamentally my consciousness was altered many times over between the  
time I walked in the

door to one of these shows and when I went out.
I've never seen anything like it.
And never expect to again.

-DB

On Feb 9, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Eric Theise wrote:


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I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!

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genre, thanks in advance.

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[Jason Halprin]

And isn't mecaline involved in the backstory of Robert Nelson's BLEU SHUT?

-Jason Halprin
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[Fred Camper]

Harry Smith writes that the separate films in "Early Abstractions"  
were made under various drug influences in his catalog note for the  
film.


Cartoon director Robert Clampett said the same, and his best cartoons  
are certainly hallucinatory.


And there's the LSD sequence in Otto Preminger's "Skidoo." Preminger  
claimed he took LSD in preparation.


Fred Camper
Chicago

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[Eric Theise]

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Dennis Doros  wrote:
> Head (Rafelson).

I don't know how I've missed "Head" all these years, but this thread
(and the coincidental announcement of a Michael Nesmith tour
(http://www.monkees.net/michael-nesmith-announces-solo-usa-tour-dates/))
bumped it to the top of my list.

The escalators in San Francisco's Civic Center may be gummed up with
human feces 
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/broken-bart-escalators-poop_n_1706716.html#slide=1251067),
but our Public Library system has *eight* copies of the Criterion
release of "Head", one of which is in my sweaty hands right now.

Thanks for all the recommendations! & please keep them coming.

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[Ross Nugent]

I'd suggest checking out Jack Stevenson's book "Addicted: The Myth and
Menace of Drugs in Film".

~RN
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Lawrence Brose wrote:

>  Has anyone suggested “The Trip” (1967) by Roger Corman with  Peter
> Fonda, Dennis  Hopper and Bruce Dern?
>
> Lawrence
>
>
> On 2/9/13 6:25 PM, "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" 
> wrote:
>
> > At 3:07 PM -0500 2/9/13, Dennis Doros wrote:
> > Chappaqua (Conrad Rooks) and Head (Rafelson).
> >
> > Steppenwolf
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Dennis
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Matt Helme
> >> <<mailto:dcinema2...@yahoo.com> 
> dcinema2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> We can't go back Home Again by Nick Ray.
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >> <http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007><http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/matthel
> >> me007
> >>
> >> From: Eric Theise <<mailto:ericthe...@gmail.com> 
> ericthe...@gmail.com>
> >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List
> >> <<mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 2:40 PM
> >> Subject: [Frameworks] drugged
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello Frameworkers,
> >>
> >> I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
> >> that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
> >> been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
> >> what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
> >> what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!
> >>
> >> Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
> >> genre, thanks in advance.
> >>
> >> Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
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> >>
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[Lawrence Brose]

Has anyone suggested ³The Trip² (1967) by Roger Corman with  Peter Fonda,
Dennis  Hopper and Bruce Dern?

Lawrence 


On 2/9/13 6:25 PM, "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" 
wrote:

> At 3:07 PM -0500 2/9/13, Dennis Doros wrote:
> Chappaqua (Conrad Rooks) and Head (Rafelson).
> 
> Steppenwolf
> 
> 
>> 
>> Dennis
>> 
>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Matt Helme
>> <<mailto:dcinema2...@yahoo.com>dcinema2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We can't go back Home Again by Nick Ray.
>> Matt
>> 
>> 
>> <http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007>http://www.youtube.com/user/matthel
>> me007
>> 
>> From: Eric Theise <<mailto:ericthe...@gmail.com>ericthe...@gmail.com>
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List
>> <<mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 2:40 PM
>> Subject: [Frameworks] drugged
>> 
>> 
>> Hello Frameworkers,
>> 
>> I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
>> that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
>> been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
>> what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
>> what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!
>> 
>> Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
>> genre, thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
>> beauty in it.
>> 
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[Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)]

At 3:07 PM -0500 2/9/13, Dennis Doros wrote:
Chappaqua (Conrad Rooks) and Head (Rafelson).

Steppenwolf




Dennis

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Matt Helme 
<<mailto:dcinema2...@yahoo.com>dcinema2...@yahoo.com> wrote:


We can't go back Home Again by Nick Ray.
Matt


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From: Eric Theise <<mailto:ericthe...@gmail.com>ericthe...@gmail.com>
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
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Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 2:40 PM
Subject: [Frameworks] drugged


Hello Frameworkers,

I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!

Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
genre, thanks in advance.

Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
beauty in it.

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[Gene Youngblood]

Sokurov's "Faust" is hallucinatory throughout, but I recall at least one 
scene that explicitly invokes inner vision, or non-ordinary reality as we 
used to say, and I believe it's triggered by some kind of potion. The scene 
is actually quite good (a rarity in this genre), so it's probably not what 
you're looking for.


-Original Message- 
From: Scott Dorsey

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 1:12 PM
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com ; dcinema2...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] drugged

In high school health class we were shown a film called "The Weird World
Of LSD" which seemed kind of incoherent to me at the time.  Among other
things, I think it explains how LSD can turn you into a chicken.  As I
recall the general response of the audience is that everybody wanted to
know where they could get some of this "LSD" stuff.

Probably available in some 16mm educational film archive somewhere and
well worth it for the amusement value.
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[Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)]

Fantasia was more overtly druggy -- what got me about Red Shoes was 
how trippy it was without any overt references. Easy Rider  is 
certainly a good example.


Self-promotion All the videos at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld 
except for the tribute to my wife are definitely   intended as trippy.



At 1:42 PM -0800 2/9/13, elizabeth mcmahon wrote:
Well, if you're going to reference "Red Shoes" you have to proffer 
the requisite "Fantasia." Ultimate druggie film. But Tom wants 
industrials. But this is fun anyways. I'd love to see this thread 
just suggest any druggie film. "Head" was a most excellent 
suggestion.


Elizabeth

From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) 
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] drugged


Zabriskie Point  I'm sure Antonioni was partaking at the time.

The Red Shoes is from the 40's and has no overtly drug related
content, but it is one of the most psychedelic films I've ever seen.



At 11:40 AM -0800 2/9/13, Eric Theise wrote:

Hello Frameworkers,

I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!

Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
genre, thanks in advance.

Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
beauty in it.

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[elizabeth mcmahon]

"Lord Love a Duck" was another film where the makers and players just had to be 
incredibly altered. The film does allude to drug use, to make this 
recommendation salient.

Elizabeth


>
> From: elizabeth mcmahon 
>To: Experimental Film Discussion List  
>Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 4:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [Frameworks] drugged
>  
>
>Well, if you're going to reference "Red Shoes" you have to proffer the 
>requisite "Fantasia." Ultimate druggie film. But Tom wants industrials. But 
>this is fun anyways. I'd love to see this thread just suggest any druggie 
>film. "Head" was a most excellent suggestion.
>
>Elizabeth
>
>
>
>>
>> From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) 
>>To: Experimental Film Discussion List  
>>Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 4:23 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Frameworks] drugged
>>  
>>Zabriskie Point  I'm sure Antonioni was partaking at the time.
>>
>>The Red Shoes is from the 40's and has no overtly drug
 related 
>>content, but it is one of the most psychedelic films I've ever seen.
>>
>>
>>
>>At 11:40 AM -0800 2/9/13, Eric Theise wrote:
>>>Hello Frameworkers,
>>>
>>>I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
>>>that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
>>>been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
>>>what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
>>>what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!
>>>
>>>Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
>>>genre, thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
>>>beauty in it.
>>>
>>>--Eric
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>>
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>>
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[Chuck Kleinhans]

Easy Rider, the New Orleans cemetery sequence

any number of late 60s-early 70s grindhouse films with drug taking followed by 
subjective camera sequences

More (1969, d. Barbet Schroeder)

Any number of 60s-70s rock concert films with sequences of highly subjective 
camera to "capture the moment" --in the same vein, there's a lot of video art 
of the same era that involves playing with the switcher (Nam June Paik, etc.) 
and using electronic music.  Also: live light shows in clubs and concerts of 
the era.

One of the better examples would be Jud Yalkut's SF Trips Festival (or some 
name like that: basically a very subjective documentation of a rock concert 
with a light show.


Chuck Kleinhans




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[elizabeth mcmahon]

Well, if you're going to reference "Red Shoes" you have to proffer the 
requisite "Fantasia." Ultimate druggie film. But Tom wants industrials. But 
this is fun anyways. I'd love to see this thread just suggest any druggie film. 
"Head" was a most excellent suggestion.

Elizabeth


>
> From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) 
>To: Experimental Film Discussion List  
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>Zabriskie Point  I'm sure Antonioni was partaking at the time.
>
>The Red Shoes is from the 40's and has no overtly drug related 
>content, but it is one of the most psychedelic films I've ever seen.
>
>
>
>At 11:40 AM -0800 2/9/13, Eric Theise wrote:
>>Hello Frameworkers,
>>
>>I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
>>that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
>>been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
>>what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
>>what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!
>>
>>Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
>>genre, thanks in advance.
>>
>>Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
>>beauty in it.
>>
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Re: [Frameworks] drugged

[Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)]

Zabriskie Point  I'm sure Antonioni was partaking at the time.

The Red Shoes is from the 40's and has no overtly drug related 
content, but it is one of the most psychedelic films I've ever seen.




At 11:40 AM -0800 2/9/13, Eric Theise wrote:

Hello Frameworkers,

I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!

Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
genre, thanks in advance.

Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
beauty in it.

--Eric
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Re: [Frameworks] drugged

[Beebe, Roger]

"LSD: Insight or Insanity" has some great stuff when it's not a parade of guys 
in white coats telling you about the latest (60s) research.


On Feb 9, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

> In high school health class we were shown a film called "The Weird World
> Of LSD" which seemed kind of incoherent to me at the time.  Among other
> things, I think it explains how LSD can turn you into a chicken.  As I
> recall the general response of the audience is that everybody wanted to
> know where they could get some of this "LSD" stuff.
> 
> Probably available in some 16mm educational film archive somewhere and
> well worth it for the amusement value.
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Re: [Frameworks] drugged

[elizabeth mcmahon]

I'd also suggest consulting the catalog of the National Library of Medicine. 
They have archivally rich resources in moving images. Also, there's the New 
York Academy of Medicine's library, it too having awesome holdings.

Elizabeth McMahon


>
> From: Tom Whiteside 
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>Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 3:15 PM
>Subject: Re: [Frameworks] drugged
>  
>Check with Skip Elsheimer of AV Geeks.
>
>    - Tom
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>-Original Message-
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>Eric Theise
>Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 2:41 PM
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>Subject: [Frameworks] drugged
>
>Hello Frameworkers,
>
>I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to 
>say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed 
>on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but 
>Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster 
>had in mind, so please go to it!
>
>Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, 
>thanks in advance.
>
>Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in 
>it.
>
>--Eric
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[Tom Whiteside]

Check with Skip Elsheimer of AV Geeks.

- Tom

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Eric Theise
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Subject: [Frameworks] drugged

Hello Frameworkers,

I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip, that is to 
say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have been portrayed 
on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are what I seek, but 
Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't what the original poster 
had in mind, so please go to it!

Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any genre, 
thanks in advance.

Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find beauty in 
it.

--Eric
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Re: [Frameworks] drugged

[Scott Dorsey]

In high school health class we were shown a film called "The Weird World
Of LSD" which seemed kind of incoherent to me at the time.  Among other
things, I think it explains how LSD can turn you into a chicken.  As I
recall the general response of the audience is that everybody wanted to
know where they could get some of this "LSD" stuff.

Probably available in some 16mm educational film archive somewhere and
well worth it for the amusement value.
--scott
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Re: [Frameworks] drugged

[Dennis Doros]

Chappaqua (Conrad Rooks) and Head (Rafelson).

Dennis

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Matt Helme  wrote:

> We can't go back Home Again by Nick Ray.
> Matt
>
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>*From:* Eric Theise 
> *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List 
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 9, 2013 2:40 PM
> *Subject:* [Frameworks] drugged
>
> Hello Frameworkers,
>
> I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
> that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
> been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
> what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
> what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!
>
> Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
> genre, thanks in advance.
>
> Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
> beauty in it.
>
> --Eric
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Re: [Frameworks] drugged

[Royce Marcus (Film)]

The first 10ish minutes (or potentially the whole movie depending on your
point of view) of Enter the Void by Gaspar Noe should be a pretty obvious
choice.

Royce

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Matt Helme  wrote:

> We can't go back Home Again by Nick Ray.
> Matt
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007
>*From:* Eric Theise 
> *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List 
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 9, 2013 2:40 PM
> *Subject:* [Frameworks] drugged
>
> Hello Frameworkers,
>
> I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
> that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
> been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
> what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
> what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!
>
> Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
> genre, thanks in advance.
>
> Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
> beauty in it.
>
> --Eric
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[Matt Helme]

We can't go back Home Again by Nick Ray.
Matt


http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007
 


 From: Eric Theise 
To: Experimental Film Discussion List  
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 2:40 PM
Subject: [Frameworks] drugged
  
Hello Frameworkers,

I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!

Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
genre, thanks in advance.

Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
beauty in it.

--Eric
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[Frameworks] drugged

[Eric Theise]

Hello Frameworkers,

I'm hoping to get suggestions for studying the tropes of the trip,
that is to say, the way hallucinatory and other drug experiences have
been portrayed on-screen.  Flashy, over-the-top visual signifiers are
what I seek, but Frameworks excels at identifying examples that aren't
what the original poster had in mind, so please go to it!

Examples will be put to experimental purposes, but can come from any
genre, thanks in advance.

Hope all of you affected by the Nemo storm are okay and able to find
beauty in it.

--Eric
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