Re: [Frameworks] processing 16mm colour negative
Hm. I'll have to do a bit more reading, and ideally more testing. My concern with 9 minutes (triple the stills tank dev time) is the temperature at 38 Celsius. On 07.09.2014 14:39, John Woods wrote: I've never done colour in a Morse but your times seem too short. As I recall the Morse tank is about triple the amount of time you would need in a dunk or spiral tank because the film is contact with the chemistry for such a short time. For example, for Tri-X the first developer is 6 minutes but in a Morse its 18 minutes or 18 passes (I'm going by Martin Baumgarters notes on the Morse). John On Sunday, September 7, 2014 6:45:08 AM, he...@theria.ca he...@theria.ca wrote: Sorry for the late reply. I have been looking for my notes, which are packed away somewhere at the moment. It's been about a year since I've processed anything, so from memory, it goes something like this: All temperatures, were according to the press kit. 1) 2min wash. 2) 4min Sodium Sulphite solution for remjet removal. 3) 3min wash (a second, if it looks like there's still more remjet hanging around) 4) 5:30min developer 5) 3min Wash 6) 11min ish Blix 7) 6min Wash, fresh water per pass. 8) Two passes for stabilizer 9) Played with two passes of photo flo, due to persistently sticky film. It might work, but needs more testing. I'm curious about the PB-2 formula you mentioned. Herb On 05.09.2014 18:09, Roger Wilson wrote: Hi folks, I was wondering if anyone on this list has some times for processing kodak colour negative 16mm film in a Morse G3 tank using Jobo C-41 Press Kit? This is what I have been doing and find the contrast to be lower then I had expected. I process 100' rolls. FIRST RUN THROUGH PB-2 FORMULA TO REMOVE REMJET - 4 minutes: equaling 4 passes - temp- 38 Celsius RINSE WITH WATER 5 MINUTES: equaling 6 passes using fresh water per pass - temp- 38 Celsius DEVELOPER: 7 minutes equaling 7 passes - temp- 38 Celsius 2ND RINSE: 6 minutes equaling 8 passes using fresh water per pass - temp- 38 Celsius BLIX: 12 minutes equaling 12 passes - temp- 38 Celsius FINAL RINSE: 16 minutes over 16 passes using fresh water per pass - temp- 38 Celsius STABILIZER: 4 minutes equaling 4 passes - room temperature HANG FILM TO DRY: Thanks folks! Roger D. Wilson Film Scientist 613 324 - 7504 rogerdwil...@sympatico.ca http://www.rogerdwilson.ca [1][1] Without failure you can never achieve success. I have based my process and my career as an experimental film artist on this statement; and I welcome it as it pushes me forward as an artist to try something different, something new. Links: -- [1] http://www.rogerdwilson.ca/ [1] ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks [2] ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks [2] Links: -- [1] http://www.rogerdwilson.ca/ [2] https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] processing 16mm colour negative
Thanks Herb for your help. I processed a second roll today with longer developer times and had better results but my neg is a reddish colour so I think I may need to extend my blix times as well. I will try this Wednesday and see what I end up with. The PB-2 recipe I got from a filmmaker in South America. From my understanding its basically the recipe Kodak uses to remove remjet - ECN - 2 kit. It works perfect! No problem removing the remjet and it just flows out during the rinse. Here is the recipe if you are interested in trying it. WATER (27-38ºC) - 800mlBORAX - 20gSODIUM SULFATE (anhydrous) - 100gSODIUM HYDROXIDE - 1gWATER to complete - 1 litre Roger D. WilsonFilm Scientist613 324 - 7504rogerdwilson@sympatico.cahttp://www.rogerdwilson.ca Without failure you can never achieve success. I have based my process and my career as an experimental film artist on this statement; and I welcome it as it pushes me forward as an artist to try something different, something new. Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 09:03:53 -0400 From: he...@theria.ca To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] processing 16mm colour negative Sorry for the late reply. I have been looking for my notes, which are packed away somewhere at the moment. It's been about a year since I've processed anything, so from memory, it goes something like this: All temperatures, were according to the press kit. 1) 2min wash. 2) 4min Sodium Sulphite solution for remjet removal. 3) 3min wash (a second, if it looks like there's still more remjet hanging around) 4) 5:30min developer 5) 3min Wash 6) 11min ish Blix 7) 6min Wash, fresh water per pass. 8) Two passes for stabilizer 9) Played with two passes of photo flo, due to persistently sticky film. It might work, but needs more testing. I'm curious about the PB-2 formula you mentioned. Herb On 05.09.2014 18:09, Roger Wilson wrote: Hi folks, I was wondering if anyone on this list has some times for processing kodak colour negative 16mm film in a Morse G3 tank using Jobo C-41 Press Kit? This is what I have been doing and find the contrast to be lower then I had expected. I process 100' rolls. FIRST RUN THROUGH PB-2 FORMULA TO REMOVE REMJET - 4 minutes: equaling 4 passes - temp- 38 Celsius RINSE WITH WATER 5 MINUTES: equaling 6 passes using fresh water per pass - temp- 38 Celsius DEVELOPER: 7 minutes equaling 7 passes - temp- 38 Celsius 2ND RINSE: 6 minutes equaling 8 passes using fresh water per pass - temp- 38 Celsius BLIX: 12 minutes equaling 12 passes - temp- 38 Celsius FINAL RINSE: 16 minutes over 16 passes using fresh water per pass - temp- 38 Celsius STABILIZER: 4 minutes equaling 4 passes - room temperature HANG FILM TO DRY: Thanks folks! Roger D. Wilson Film Scientist 613 324 - 7504 rogerdwil...@sympatico.ca http://www.rogerdwilson.ca [1] Without failure you can never achieve success. I have based my process and my career as an experimental film artist on this statement; and I welcome it as it pushes me forward as an artist to try something different, something new. Links: -- [1] http://www.rogerdwilson.ca/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] processing 16mm colour negative
If you have a reddish cast, try just re-running the film through the blix and stabilizer again. If you use split bleach and fixer, you can adjust the times independently to leave controlled amounts of silver behind while still completely fixing the image. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] processing 16mm colour negative
Good idea Scott! Thanks I will try that! Roger Roger D. WilsonFilm Scientist613 324 - 7504rogerdwilson@sympatico.cahttp://www.rogerdwilson.ca Without failure you can never achieve success. I have based my process and my career as an experimental film artist on this statement; and I welcome it as it pushes me forward as an artist to try something different, something new. Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 20:02:02 -0400 From: klu...@panix.com To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] processing 16mm colour negative If you have a reddish cast, try just re-running the film through the blix and stabilizer again. If you use split bleach and fixer, you can adjust the times independently to leave controlled amounts of silver behind while still completely fixing the image. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] processing 16mm colour negative
Sorry for the late reply. I have been looking for my notes, which are packed away somewhere at the moment. It's been about a year since I've processed anything, so from memory, it goes something like this: All temperatures, were according to the press kit. 1) 2min wash. 2) 4min Sodium Sulphite solution for remjet removal. 3) 3min wash (a second, if it looks like there's still more remjet hanging around) 4) 5:30min developer 5) 3min Wash 6) 11min ish Blix 7) 6min Wash, fresh water per pass. 8) Two passes for stabilizer 9) Played with two passes of photo flo, due to persistently sticky film. It might work, but needs more testing. I'm curious about the PB-2 formula you mentioned. Herb On 05.09.2014 18:09, Roger Wilson wrote: Hi folks, I was wondering if anyone on this list has some times for processing kodak colour negative 16mm film in a Morse G3 tank using Jobo C-41 Press Kit? This is what I have been doing and find the contrast to be lower then I had expected. I process 100' rolls. FIRST RUN THROUGH PB-2 FORMULA TO REMOVE REMJET - 4 minutes: equaling 4 passes - temp- 38 Celsius RINSE WITH WATER 5 MINUTES: equaling 6 passes using fresh water per pass - temp- 38 Celsius DEVELOPER: 7 minutes equaling 7 passes - temp- 38 Celsius 2ND RINSE: 6 minutes equaling 8 passes using fresh water per pass - temp- 38 Celsius BLIX: 12 minutes equaling 12 passes - temp- 38 Celsius FINAL RINSE: 16 minutes over 16 passes using fresh water per pass - temp- 38 Celsius STABILIZER: 4 minutes equaling 4 passes - room temperature HANG FILM TO DRY: Thanks folks! Roger D. Wilson Film Scientist 613 324 - 7504 rogerdwil...@sympatico.ca http://www.rogerdwilson.ca [1] Without failure you can never achieve success. I have based my process and my career as an experimental film artist on this statement; and I welcome it as it pushes me forward as an artist to try something different, something new. Links: -- [1] http://www.rogerdwilson.ca/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] processing 16mm colour negative
I've never done colour in a Morse but your times seem too short. As I recall the Morse tank is about triple the amount of time you would need in a dunk or spiral tank because the film is contact with the chemistry for such a short time. For example, for Tri-X the first developer is 6 minutes but in a Morse its 18 minutes or 18 passes (I'm going by Martin Baumgarters notes on the Morse). John On Sunday, September 7, 2014 6:45:08 AM, he...@theria.ca he...@theria.ca wrote: Sorry for the late reply. I have been looking for my notes, which are packed away somewhere at the moment. It's been about a year since I've processed anything, so from memory, it goes something like this: All temperatures, were according to the press kit. 1) 2min wash. 2) 4min Sodium Sulphite solution for remjet removal. 3) 3min wash (a second, if it looks like there's still more remjet hanging around) 4) 5:30min developer 5) 3min Wash 6) 11min ish Blix 7) 6min Wash, fresh water per pass. 8) Two passes for stabilizer 9) Played with two passes of photo flo, due to persistently sticky film. It might work, but needs more testing. I'm curious about the PB-2 formula you mentioned. Herb On 05.09.2014 18:09, Roger Wilson wrote: Hi folks, I was wondering if anyone on this list has some times for processing kodak colour negative 16mm film in a Morse G3 tank using Jobo C-41 Press Kit? This is what I have been doing and find the contrast to be lower then I had expected. I process 100' rolls. FIRST RUN THROUGH PB-2 FORMULA TO REMOVE REMJET - 4 minutes: equaling 4 passes - temp- 38 Celsius RINSE WITH WATER 5 MINUTES: equaling 6 passes using fresh water per pass - temp- 38 Celsius DEVELOPER: 7 minutes equaling 7 passes - temp- 38 Celsius 2ND RINSE: 6 minutes equaling 8 passes using fresh water per pass - temp- 38 Celsius BLIX: 12 minutes equaling 12 passes - temp- 38 Celsius FINAL RINSE: 16 minutes over 16 passes using fresh water per pass - temp- 38 Celsius STABILIZER: 4 minutes equaling 4 passes - room temperature HANG FILM TO DRY: Thanks folks! Roger D. Wilson Film Scientist 613 324 - 7504 rogerdwil...@sympatico.ca http://www.rogerdwilson.ca [1] Without failure you can never achieve success. I have based my process and my career as an experimental film artist on this statement; and I welcome it as it pushes me forward as an artist to try something different, something new. Links: -- [1] http://www.rogerdwilson.ca/ ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] processing 16mm colour negative
Hi folks, I was wondering if anyone on this list has some times for processing kodak colour negative 16mm film in a Morse G3 tank using Jobo C-41 Press Kit? This is what I have been doing and find the contrast to be lower then I had expected. I process 100' rolls. First run through PB-2 Formula to remove Remjet - 4 minutes: equaling 4 passes - temp- 38 CelsiusRinse with water 5 minutes: equaling 6 passes using fresh water per pass - temp- 38 CelsiusDeveloper: 7 minutes equaling 7 passes - temp- 38 Celsius2nd Rinse: 6 minutes equaling 8 passes using fresh water per pass - temp- 38 CelsiusBlix: 12 minutes equaling 12 passes - temp- 38 CelsiusFinal Rinse: 16 minutes over 16 passes using fresh water per pass - temp- 38 CelsiusStabilizer: 4 minutes equaling 4 passes - room temperatureHang film to dry: Thanks folks! Roger D. WilsonFilm Scientist613 324 - 7504rogerdwilson@sympatico.cahttp://www.rogerdwilson.ca Without failure you can never achieve success. I have based my process and my career as an experimental film artist on this statement; and I welcome it as it pushes me forward as an artist to try something different, something new. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
