Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections
I'm pretty sure Sixty films refers to 36 exposure 35mm slide films, not Super 8 films. One 35mm slide film is about 1.3meters long, which roughly equates to five meters of Super 8, whereas a roll of Super 8 is 15 metres long. That means a 5 litre kit would process about twenty rolls of Super 8 and a one litre kit only about four. (Correct me if I've blundered with the sums!) Nicky. -Original Message- From: Kevin Timmins on-on...@hotmail.com To: FrameWorks frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:47 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections Oh right, thanks Nicky On the box it says that the 5 liter kit can process 60 films. I did the simple math and figured that 1ltr should process 12 films with good results. Apparently not! Seems a little cunning to state it can do twice the amount the chemicals are capable of! Best Kevin To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:31:07 -0500 From: nicky.ham...@talktalk.net Subject: Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections I think you may be over-using the chemicals, assuming it's the Tetenal three bath kit. If you do the calculations you can do up to six rolls safely, but strictly five rolls, if I'm not mistaken, so the sixth is a bonus. After that you're gambling with exhausted chemicals, Nicky Hamlyn. -Original Message- From: Kevin Timmins on-on...@hotmail.com To: FrameWorks frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:17 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections Hi Erin, Indeed I am using a Lomo developing tank. I did checked the spacing of the film on the reels whilst hanging it to dry and all the film looked perfectly mounted. However I suppose it could have shifted and re-shifted in the tank during the reversal process? I don't know if this will help but the brown bits aren't as visible on the lighter (outdoor images) but are worse on the indoor images. For example one roll of film (100D) was used indoors and it was inevitably very dark anyway. The brown transparent layer seemed much more prominent on these darker images and was much more noticeable. Can that tell me anything? Kevin Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:59:00 -0500 From: eri...@gmail.com To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections Hi Kevin, Are you using a lomo tank? Your problem sounds like the same one I have had with both E6 and BW reversal in lomo tanks. I think those brown bits are occurring anywhere that the film slips out of alignment and touches an adjacent piece of film for too long. Neither bit of film is then making proper contact with the processing chemicals. Further, this seems to be happening somewhere in the reversal stage. In one case I actually had this layer going on for a while with bits of negative and positive imagery appearing throughout it. I inferred that that the film was making proper chemical contact at various stages of the process, but not all. That was a particularly poorly loaded tank. In the case I have described above, the brown stuff is opaque and seems almost thicker than the rest of the film. On other film stocks it appears as different colours. Strange that you only had this problem on your 7th and 8th rolls, but less strange if you processed them together. Maybe you are encountering something totally different. Hope this helps, Erin On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Kevin Timmins on-on...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've been doing a lot of Super 8 developing for people over the last few weeks. The last two film I developed last night had an interesting imperfection and I wondered if anyone on frameworks could shed some light on what's happening. The chemicals were mixed on the 1st and as far as I'm aware the chemicals are viable for up to 2 weeks. I've actually developed film with chemicals 3 weeks old and got fantastic results. However I'm developing other peoples films so I'm not developing past today/tomorrow at the very latest. I've got 4 more films I need to develop tonight and tomorrow night. Last night I developed my 7th and 8th super 8 film in the tank (apparently you can do up to 12 with one liter), but anyway I wondered if this could contribute to the problem. So the problem... Ok now the films have come out great overall but in parts there seems to be this light browny kind of layer that fluidly move across the image, in parts it's centralized and in others it's on the edges. Like I say overall the images are clearly visible and sharp without much grain but there just seems to me this brown mask that intermittently comes and goes. It's present on both films I developed. Any ideas? Could light be getting in the tank somehow? If anyone has come along this effect in the past please let me know. Thanks Kevin ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks
Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections
It's amazing how far the chemicals will go if you push it (not figuratively). The results are still very good, only with that transparent brown stuff coming and going intermittently. I'm going to develop some more of my own films with it tonight and see what happens! Thanks Nicky for the help! Kevin To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:08:03 -0500 From: nicky.ham...@talktalk.net Subject: Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections I'm pretty sure Sixty films refers to 36 exposure 35mm slide films, not Super 8 films. One 35mm slide film is about 1.3meters long, which roughly equates to five meters of Super 8, whereas a roll of Super 8 is 15 metres long. That means a 5 litre kit would process about twenty rolls of Super 8 and a one litre kit only about four. (Correct me if I've blundered with the sums!) Nicky. -Original Message- From: Kevin Timmins on-on...@hotmail.com To: FrameWorks frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:47 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections Oh right, thanks Nicky On the box it says that the 5 liter kit can process 60 films. I did the simple math and figured that 1ltr should process 12 films with good results. Apparently not! Seems a little cunning to state it can do twice the amount the chemicals are capable of! Best Kevin To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:31:07 -0500 From: nicky.ham...@talktalk.net Subject: Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections I think you may be over-using the chemicals, assuming it's the Tetenal three bath kit. If you do the calculations you can do up to six rolls safely, but strictly five rolls, if I'm not mistaken, so the sixth is a bonus. After that you're gambling with exhausted chemicals, Nicky Hamlyn. -Original Message- From: Kevin Timmins on-on...@hotmail.com To: FrameWorks frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:17 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections Hi Erin, Indeed I am using a Lomo developing tank. I did checked the spacing of the film on the reels whilst hanging it to dry and all the film looked perfectly mounted. However I suppose it could have shifted and re-shifted in the tank during the reversal process? I don't know if this will help but the brown bits aren't as visible on the lighter (outdoor images) but are worse on the indoor images. For example one roll of film (100D) was used indoors and it was inevitably very dark anyway. The brown transparent layer seemed much more prominent on these darker images and was much more noticeable. Can that tell me anything? Kevin Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:59:00 -0500 From: eri...@gmail.com To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections Hi Kevin, Are you using a lomo tank? Your problem sounds like the same one I have had with both E6 and BW reversal in lomo tanks. I think those brown bits are occurring anywhere that the film slips out of alignment and touches an adjacent piece of film for too long. Neither bit of film is then making proper contact with the processing chemicals. Further, this seems to be happening somewhere in the reversal stage. In one case I actually had this layer going on for a while with bits of negative and positive imagery appearing throughout it. I inferred that that the film was making proper chemical contact at various stages of the process, but not all. That was a particularly poorly loaded tank. In the case I have described above, the brown stuff is opaque and seems almost thicker than the rest of the film. On other film stocks it appears as different colours. Strange that you only had this problem on your 7th and 8th rolls, but less strange if you processed them together. Maybe you are encountering something totally different. Hope this helps, Erin On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Kevin Timmins on-on...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've been doing a lot of Super 8 developing for people over the last few weeks. The last two film I developed last night had an interesting imperfection and I wondered if anyone on frameworks could shed some light on what's happening. The chemicals were mixed on the 1st and as far as I'm aware the chemicals are viable for up to 2 weeks. I've actually developed film with chemicals 3 weeks old and got fantastic results. However I'm developing other peoples films so I'm not developing past today/tomorrow at the very latest. I've got 4 more films I need to develop tonight and tomorrow night. Last night I developed my 7th
Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections
According to Martin Baumgarten (and other sources you should be adding developer time as you exhaust the chemicals: http://lavender.fortunecity.com/lavender/569/spiralreel.html ~~~ BLACK WHITE Film Processing Control ~~~ (1). The best way to maintain control of your processing for any process type, is to keep track of how many films you have processed in a given solution and either replenish the solutions so they maintain full-strength and/or adjust your processing time. A Liter of chemistry will process about 6 to 8 rolls of Super 8mm film. After each roll of film if processing separately, add approximately 15 seconds to each Developer time only. Or after processing two rolls of Super 8mm film, add 30 seconds to the next film batch. These are approximations intended to quide you to correct final film density. He also recommends creating your own control strips so you can keep track of the density. He describes that process on that link. I've never done that but if you have a large amount of film to process its probably worth the effort. From: nicky.ham...@talktalk.net nicky.ham...@talktalk.net To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:08:03 AM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections I'm pretty sure Sixty films refers to 36 exposure 35mm slide films, not Super 8 films. One 35mm slide film is about 1.3meters long, which roughly equates to five meters of Super 8, whereas a roll of Super 8 is 15 metres long. That means a 5 litre kit would process about twenty rolls of Super 8 and a one litre kit only about four. (Correct me if I've blundered with the sums!) Nicky. -Original Message- From: Kevin Timmins on-on...@hotmail.com To: FrameWorks frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:47 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections Oh right, thanks Nicky On the box it says that the 5 liter kit can process 60 films. I did the simple math and figured that 1ltr should process 12 films with good results. Apparently not! Seems a little cunning to state it can do twice the amount the chemicals are capable of! Best Kevin To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:31:07 -0500 From: nicky.ham...@talktalk.net Subject: Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections I think you may be over-using the chemicals, assuming it's the Tetenal three bath kit. If you do the calculations you can do up to six rolls safely, but strictly five rolls, if I'm not mistaken, so the sixth is a bonus. After that you're gambling with exhausted chemicals, Nicky Hamlyn. -Original Message- From: Kevin Timmins on-on...@hotmail.com To: FrameWorks frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:17 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections Hi Erin, Indeed I am using a Lomo developing tank. I did checked the spacing of the film on the reels whilst hanging it to dry and all the film looked perfectly mounted. However I suppose it could have shifted and re-shifted in the tank during the reversal process? I don't know if this will help but the brown bits aren't as visible on the lighter (outdoor images) but are worse on the indoor images. For example one roll of film (100D) was used indoors and it was inevitably very dark anyway. The brown transparent layer seemed much more prominent on these darker images and was much more noticeable. Can that tell me anything? Kevin Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:59:00 -0500 From: eri...@gmail.com To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections Hi Kevin, Are you using a lomo tank? Your problem sounds like the same one I have had with both E6 and BW reversal in lomo tanks. I think those brown bits are occurring anywhere that the film slips out of alignment and touches an adjacent piece of film for too long. Neither bit of film is then making proper contact with the processing chemicals. Further, this seems to be happening somewhere in the reversal stage. In one case I actually had this layer going on for a while with bits of negative and positive imagery appearing throughout it. I inferred that that the film was making proper chemical contact at various stages of the process, but not all. That was a particularly poorly loaded tank. In the case I have described above, the brown stuff is opaque and seems almost thicker than the rest of the film. On other film stocks it appears as different colours. Strange that you only had this problem on your 7th and 8th rolls, but less strange if you processed them together. Maybe you are encountering something totally different. Hope this helps, Erin On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Kevin Timmins on-on...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've been doing a lot of Super 8 developing for people over the last few weeks. The last two film I developed last night had an interesting
Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections
Hi Erin, Indeed I am using a Lomo developing tank. I did checked the spacing of the film on the reels whilst hanging it to dry and all the film looked perfectly mounted. However I suppose it could have shifted and re-shifted in the tank during the reversal process? I don't know if this will help but the brown bits aren't as visible on the lighter (outdoor images) but are worse on the indoor images. For example one roll of film (100D) was used indoors and it was inevitably very dark anyway. The brown transparent layer seemed much more prominent on these darker images and was much more noticeable. Can that tell me anything? Kevin Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:59:00 -0500 From: eri...@gmail.com To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections Hi Kevin, Are you using a lomo tank? Your problem sounds like the same one I have had with both E6 and BW reversal in lomo tanks. I think those brown bits are occurring anywhere that the film slips out of alignment and touches an adjacent piece of film for too long. Neither bit of film is then making proper contact with the processing chemicals. Further, this seems to be happening somewhere in the reversal stage. In one case I actually had this layer going on for a while with bits of negative and positive imagery appearing throughout it. I inferred that that the film was making proper chemical contact at various stages of the process, but not all. That was a particularly poorly loaded tank. In the case I have described above, the brown stuff is opaque and seems almost thicker than the rest of the film. On other film stocks it appears as different colours. Strange that you only had this problem on your 7th and 8th rolls, but less strange if you processed them together. Maybe you are encountering something totally different. Hope this helps, Erin On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Kevin Timmins on-on...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've been doing a lot of Super 8 developing for people over the last few weeks. The last two film I developed last night had an interesting imperfection and I wondered if anyone on frameworks could shed some light on what's happening. The chemicals were mixed on the 1st and as far as I'm aware the chemicals are viable for up to 2 weeks. I've actually developed film with chemicals 3 weeks old and got fantastic results. However I'm developing other peoples films so I'm not developing past today/tomorrow at the very latest. I've got 4 more films I need to develop tonight and tomorrow night. Last night I developed my 7th and 8th super 8 film in the tank (apparently you can do up to 12 with one liter), but anyway I wondered if this could contribute to the problem. So the problem... Ok now the films have come out great overall but in parts there seems to be this light browny kind of layer that fluidly move across the image, in parts it's centralized and in others it's on the edges. Like I say overall the images are clearly visible and sharp without much grain but there just seems to me this brown mask that intermittently comes and goes. It's present on both films I developed. Any ideas? Could light be getting in the tank somehow? If anyone has come along this effect in the past please let me know. ThanksKevin ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections
Hi Pip, I'm always very carful with the first developer and colour developer but yes it could well be possible contamination. I was told however that if the first developer got mixed somehow with the colour developer that you would not get images at all? Is this not the case? What other effects are possible with cross contamination of the first and colour developer as thats quite interesting. Kind RegardsKevin Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:21:21 +0100 To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com From: framewo...@re-voir.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections Re: [Frameworks] E-6 Imperfections If the brown is transparent, it is not the opaque brown you get when the film touches itself. Is there any chance the color developer was contaminated by the first developer? This can ruin the process. The best remedy would be to mix all fresh chemistry. -Pip At 17:17 + 14/02/12, Kevin Timmins wrote: So the problem... Ok now the films have come out great overall but in parts there seems to be this light browny kind of layer that fluidly move across the image, in parts it's centralized and in others it's on the edges. Like I say overall the images are clearly visible and sharp without much grain but there just seems to me this brown mask that intermittently comes and goes. It's present on both films I developed. Any ideas? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
