Re: Re[2]: FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken(was Re: FreeBSD Logo)

2006-08-22 Thread Nikolas Britton

On 8/22/06, Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 22 Aug 2006 at 9:31, Daniel Gerzo wrote:

> Hello Dan,
>
> Tuesday, August 22, 2006, 9:18:01 AM, you wrote:
>
> > On 21 Aug 2006 at 23:14, Nikolas Britton wrote:
>
> >> On 8/21/06, Mitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > I'm not sure if something as already been fixed, but it looks fine on
> >> > all my browsers (firefox on freebsd, linux, windows, konqueror on
> >> > freebsd, ie6 on windows).
> >>
> >> IE6 and Konqueror don't have, native, SVG support... lets recap:
> >>
> >> FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken. They do not "render" correctly in
> >> browsers with native SVG support, AFAIK Firefox 1.5 and Opera 9 are
> >> the only browsers with "native" SVG support.
> >>
> >> If you do have a browser with "native" SVG support try viewing the SVG
> >> logo here: http://www.freebsd.org/logo/logo-basic.svg
> >>
> >> If you don't have a browser with "native" SVG support here are
> >> screenshots of the bad logos:
> >> http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/firefox_01.png
> >> http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/opera_01.png
>
> > Opera 9.01 on Windows NT renders it just fine.
>
> I'm using Opera 9.01 on Windows XP and it does not render well. I can
> see weird colors in the logo, a mix of yellow, orange and red and
> black. If anybody is interested in screenshot, I can capture it :-)

The errors of my ways have been highlighted.  Ignore my  previous
claim please.



After more fiddling I still can't get the SVG logo(s) to display
correctly. It will only display correctly in Adobe products. I've
tried Inkscape, Karbon14, Opera 9, and Firefox 1.5... I even opened up
the original Adobe Illustrator file in Illustrator CS2 and re-exported
it to SVG. no dice! zero! nill! nothing! I even played with all the
Illustrator SVG export settings.

We have a decision to make. Do we keep the bad logo(s) in the SVG file
or pitch them? If we can't view or use the logos on FreeBSD or Linux
why do we keep them only people with Adobe + Windows or Mac can
see them.

Here's what I think we should do:
1. Slice and dice the master logo-basic.ai file so that each logo has
it's own discrete file.
2. Each logo file will then be download-able in different file formats:
 .AI, .EPS, .SVG, .TIF, and/or anything else you can think of.
3. Redesign the logo.html page to accommodate all the new files.

I have Adobe Illustrator CS2, Photoshop CS2, etc. and I'm willing to
do this for the group, but only if I get some kind of official nod. I
don't want to waste my time doing all of this work and not have them
put on the website.


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Re: Ask for FreeBSD support here! Let's join forces!

2006-08-22 Thread Mark Kane
On Sun, Aug 20, 2006, at 15:28:02 -0700, Nikolas Britton wrote:
> What petition, my petition here?:
> http://www.petitiononline.com/flash4me/petition.html

Yep. Actually, looks like I was number 217...so over 2,000 more since
then :). Glad to see around 50 more signatures since yesterday too.

> Anyways.. I posted a comment on that blog, I think I wrote "I speak on
> behalf of 2276+ people... We want a native Flash player for FreeBSD!"
> with a link to the petition at the bottom... It doesn't show up on the
> site yet though.

Yeah, they approve the posts manually. Hopefully they will approve it.
I haven't seen any responses from them about people's comments regarding
making a native player for FreeBSD. It's like they're just ignoring
the demand. A year or two ago I thought I read that they said they'd
need at least 1,000 or 2,000 requests to consider it. Well, we're over
that now just on the petition alone...

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Re: Ask for FreeBSD support here! Let's join forces!

2006-08-22 Thread Charles Shannon Hendrix
Mark Kane wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2006, at 16:25:21 -0300, Charles A. Landemaine wrote:
>> On 8/20/06, Don Witt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> The next release of Adobe flash developer will have a revised
>>> license which will include FreeBSD. This was per the product
>>> manager.
>> License is not the most important. What is important for the end user
>> is having a native version of his own operating system :)
> 
> I read this last month:
> 
> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/07/api_review.html
> 
> The using ALSA for sound in version 9 doesn't sound very good for
> getting it to work on FreeBSD even if/when the license allows it. I
> don't understand why it's so hard for them to make it compatible with
> more OSes. They are in the business of selling software to create
> content in their proprietary Flash format, but if that can't be viewed
> on every common OS, then I think/know developers will not develop
> exclusively in Flash as much. 

If only we could be so lucky.

Personally, I think flash sites *SUCK* and would rather people didn't
use it, especially if usage of the site depends on it.

It's usually ugly, it means yet more junk hiding the information I want,
and it puts a heavy load on my client machine.

Save for about 99% of JavaScript that I see.  It's usually doing
something stupid, it adds useless stuff, and often puts a heavy load on
my client machine.
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Re: [Fwd: porting the RealPlayer]

2006-08-22 Thread Ion-Mihai Tetcu
On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:06:44 +0200
Alexander Leidinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Quoting Ion-Mihai Tetcu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (from Sun, 20
> Aug 2006 21:47:15 +0300):
> 
> > On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:19:07 -0700
> > Matt Olander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I met with a developer of the Real Player at Linux World. She says
> >> they would *love* to port a native version of the Real player to
> >> FreeBSD. Yay! She even showed me that they have an older FreeBSD
> >> dev environment set up and are ready to start to try compiling it
> >> for release after we get it up to date.
> >
> > Yay ! Good work :)
> 
> Now we just need to convince Adobe too...

Yeh.

> >> We need a couple of FreeBSD experts to assist with
> >> questions/expertise/feedback to make sure this gets finished ;-)
> >> Please send me your name/email off list and I'll reply to her with
> >> a shortlist of who can help them.
> >
> > Since it's great to volunteer others ;-) maybe netchild@ (cc'ed) has
> > time for this ?
> 
> I don't mind helping out, if time permits. But I'm curious, why did  
> you suggest me?

Hmm, let's see, you did work on sound and linux emulation :)
They have a linux product that uses sound and video :)

> >>  Original Message 
> >
> >  [ ... ]
> >
> >> Also, we're currently only running nightly builds for the stable
> >> branch on FreeBSD.  Do you think we should be running the current
> >> branch as well?  That's where all the new functionality is going -
> >> like playlists and Windows Media (ahem.. if you have a license for
> >> it).  Depending on how long porting work takes, FreeBSD may want to
> >> just skip the currently released player and go for all the new
> >> technology.
> >
> > From our point of view it would be no problem to have both in the
> > Ports Tree (The second as -devel).
> 
> This assumes they are willing to offer beta versions for public  
> testing instead of only building it "for personal pleasure".

Yes, maybe we get lucky.
 
> On a somewhat related topic, which FreeBSD build platforms are  
> targeted? 4.x, 5.x, 6.x, -current, i386, amd64, sparc64, ...?

No reason to target 4.x and 5.x; IMO 6(-STABLE or the last _RELEASE),
eventually -CURRENT on i386 and amd64 would be enough.

> Regarding the architecture this is more out of curiosity on my side,  
> but for the FreeBSD versions I'm asking because we have a SoC
> student working on implementing parts of the new Open Sound System
> (OSS) API which may provide some benefits to realplayer. This code
> will first arrive in -current (the SoC is coming to an end, so I will
> commit this maybe next month... depending upon reviews and tests),
> but I could try to come up with a patch for 6.x as well. A list of
> new IOCTLs is at http://wiki.freebsd.org/RyanBeasley/ioctlref. With a
> patch for 6.x they could check at runtime if the IOCTLs are supported
> and use the new features if desired (= developing software for the
> features of tomorrow... ;-) ). I also want to MFC some stuff in the
> sound system (bug fixes and new drivers), so depending on their needs
> I should do that "soon" or at least provide patches to them.

And you ask why I thought of you ? :)


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Re: FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken(was Re: FreeBSD Logo)

2006-08-22 Thread Mitch
On 08/21/06 23:14 PM, Nikolas Britton wrote:
> On 8/21/06, Mitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I'm not sure if something as already been fixed, but it looks fine on
> >all my browsers (firefox on freebsd, linux, windows, konqueror on
> >freebsd, ie6 on windows).
> 
> IE6 and Konqueror don't have, native, SVG support... lets recap:
> 
> FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken. They do not "render" correctly in
> browsers with native SVG support, AFAIK Firefox 1.5 and Opera 9 are
> the only browsers with "native" SVG support.
> 
> If you do have a browser with "native" SVG support try viewing the SVG
> logo here: http://www.freebsd.org/logo/logo-basic.svg
> 
> If you don't have a browser with "native" SVG support here are
> screenshots of the bad logos:
> http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/firefox_01.png
> http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/opera_01.png

Sorry, I was refering to the png you mentioned, not the svg...and I'll
admit I didn't read very closely.

Looks like the svg was exported from Illustrator, with some dependancy
on Adobe extensions of some sort.  I grabbed Adobe's SVG viewer thing on
a windows box, but IE complains about the xml.
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Re: Re[2]: FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken(was Re: FreeBSD Logo)

2006-08-22 Thread Dan Langille
On 22 Aug 2006 at 9:31, Daniel Gerzo wrote:

> Hello Dan,
> 
> Tuesday, August 22, 2006, 9:18:01 AM, you wrote:
> 
> > On 21 Aug 2006 at 23:14, Nikolas Britton wrote:
> 
> >> On 8/21/06, Mitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > I'm not sure if something as already been fixed, but it looks fine on
> >> > all my browsers (firefox on freebsd, linux, windows, konqueror on
> >> > freebsd, ie6 on windows).
> >> 
> >> IE6 and Konqueror don't have, native, SVG support... lets recap:
> >> 
> >> FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken. They do not "render" correctly in
> >> browsers with native SVG support, AFAIK Firefox 1.5 and Opera 9 are
> >> the only browsers with "native" SVG support.
> >> 
> >> If you do have a browser with "native" SVG support try viewing the SVG
> >> logo here: http://www.freebsd.org/logo/logo-basic.svg
> >> 
> >> If you don't have a browser with "native" SVG support here are
> >> screenshots of the bad logos:
> >> http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/firefox_01.png
> >> http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/opera_01.png
> 
> > Opera 9.01 on Windows NT renders it just fine.
> 
> I'm using Opera 9.01 on Windows XP and it does not render well. I can
> see weird colors in the logo, a mix of yellow, orange and red and
> black. If anybody is interested in screenshot, I can capture it :-)

The errors of my ways have been highlighted.  Ignore my  previous 
claim please.

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Re[2]: FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken(was Re: FreeBSD Logo)

2006-08-22 Thread Daniel Gerzo
Hello Dan,

Tuesday, August 22, 2006, 9:18:01 AM, you wrote:

> On 21 Aug 2006 at 23:14, Nikolas Britton wrote:

>> On 8/21/06, Mitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I'm not sure if something as already been fixed, but it looks fine on
>> > all my browsers (firefox on freebsd, linux, windows, konqueror on
>> > freebsd, ie6 on windows).
>> 
>> IE6 and Konqueror don't have, native, SVG support... lets recap:
>> 
>> FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken. They do not "render" correctly in
>> browsers with native SVG support, AFAIK Firefox 1.5 and Opera 9 are
>> the only browsers with "native" SVG support.
>> 
>> If you do have a browser with "native" SVG support try viewing the SVG
>> logo here: http://www.freebsd.org/logo/logo-basic.svg
>> 
>> If you don't have a browser with "native" SVG support here are
>> screenshots of the bad logos:
>> http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/firefox_01.png
>> http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/opera_01.png

> Opera 9.01 on Windows NT renders it just fine.

I'm using Opera 9.01 on Windows XP and it does not render well. I can
see weird colors in the logo, a mix of yellow, orange and red and
black. If anybody is interested in screenshot, I can capture it :-)

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Re: FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken(was Re: FreeBSD Logo)

2006-08-22 Thread Dan Langille
On 21 Aug 2006 at 23:14, Nikolas Britton wrote:

> On 8/21/06, Mitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm not sure if something as already been fixed, but it looks fine on
> > all my browsers (firefox on freebsd, linux, windows, konqueror on
> > freebsd, ie6 on windows).
> 
> IE6 and Konqueror don't have, native, SVG support... lets recap:
> 
> FreeBSD's SVG logos are broken. They do not "render" correctly in
> browsers with native SVG support, AFAIK Firefox 1.5 and Opera 9 are
> the only browsers with "native" SVG support.
> 
> If you do have a browser with "native" SVG support try viewing the SVG
> logo here: http://www.freebsd.org/logo/logo-basic.svg
> 
> If you don't have a browser with "native" SVG support here are
> screenshots of the bad logos:
> http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/firefox_01.png
> http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/opera_01.png

Opera 9.01 on Windows NT renders it just fine.

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