Re: Unified BSD?
Hi, Reference: > From: Johnny Billquist > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:34:56 +0100 > Message-id: <50a23e70.8010...@update.uu.se> Johnny Billquist wrote: > On 2012-11-13 11:45, Ignatios Souvatzis wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:08:08AM +0100, Joost van de Griek wrote: > >> On 12 Nov 2012, at 21:37 , Robin Björklin > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Am I bat crap crazy for thinking it could be good to merge the four > >>> largest BSD variants out there, take the best bits and pieces out of each > >>> and create a Unified BSD? > >> > >> > >> You'd end up creating a fifth. > > > > At least a sixth, IIRC. You left out MirBSD from your distribution list. > > Also, you could argue that Minix, with its NetBSD compatibility, > > is a seventh and MacOS-X, with its partially (Free-/Net-)BSD compatible > > userland, an eighth. > > And what about 2BSD, BSD 3 and BSD 4 with all their releases? > (And I assume that there was probably something that in retrospect would > have been called 1BSD as well...) > > Johnny No they were sequential from same team, not later parallel forks. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. Not: HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. ___ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Unified BSD?
> - Then came the Unix wars, where AT&T sued BSDI (a commercial variant > that no longer exists) over perceived copyright infringement. The > free BSDs weren't really directly involved, but the suit would have > been just as relevant, and people were worried. > > This was the time that Linux was in the ascendancy. Users had the > choice of a free GPL system or one which might land them in > trouble. Most chose the safe option. I know the view from Germany as to why Linux was taken up so readily, most people read about it later, & repeat relayed wisdom, but I was here & know: (& BTW though I'm British but in Germany, Germany is far more signifcant in this regard than eg UK of GB, eg Linux mag. has 3 times the circulation in Germany as UK, & whenever I'm in UK I never see Linux mags in book shops etc (& of course no BSD) just MS, whereas here in Munich there's some choice of Linux mags, even in food supermarket (Tengelmann) I recall. Most newbies were clueless or didnt give a toss about FSF v BSD licensing then (or now), or some firm called AT&T across the pond breathing hot air. (Only us BSD people cared, not many of us). Old Unix hands like me were earning good money fully employed doing consultancy, (plenty of work then). Although I thought I maybe should help spread BSD, & considered knocking out batches of 30/40+ floppies per mail order, it was Very unattractive, labour intensive formatting, dd'ing, checking for media errors, at a very low pay rate compare with mich higher paid & more interesting consultancy. Plus also if one did that under German tax law (I checked with my Steuer Berater = accountant I recall) it would be subject to Gewerbe Steuer, & not just for the trivial amount earned on floppies shipped, but could imperil imposing the extra tax on the Whole of consultancy income, Very Expensive mistake to risk that. So I didn't & others didnt; most other consultant friends here were also happy earning at commercial rates, & didn't want to touch floppy reproduction. BUT ... meanwhile there was a whole new load of students on low or no income, & no tax issues to worry about, & young student mode enthusiasm & time to evangalise their new free software ... Linux ... so one saw adverts for stack of floppies in eg CT Magazine (http://www.heise.de/ct/ & others. & then CDs came on the scene, even easier for the students to push out & again I wondered whether I should push out some BSD CDs, & again colleagues were too busy to reduce their consultancy income by doing grunt disk jockey work producing & mailing CDROMs at cheap prices. & Again I was scared of German Gewerbe Steuer ... So I decided to just do software bundling (safe consultancy work) & let a commercial firm do manufacture, bulk distrib, German language correspondence, & German gewerbe Steuer issues etc - Ughh) So I mastered a combination Live + Install FreeBSD CDROM years before freebsd.org did theirs, & approached german Linux Mag & Heise (I think) & (English language, German based) BSD Mag (whatever, the one from Rosa Riebl) to see if anyone would bundle it stuck to front page of magazines (to really shift a lot & have BSD make a big impact in the OS scene. I didnt get anywhere with that, but I got further with Dr Dobbs USA mag, & negotiations were going OK, then they decided it would be too expensive to glue a CD on each cover, & they just wanted to feature my CD in their library of CDs for sale ... at which point I lost interest cos: - It would fail to impact the market if not sent in bulk 1 per mag. (I'd have accepted very low payment for that, as it would have helped push BSD significantly) - If not on Mag. cover & just in library for sale per individual order, I was scared of low sales, & not worth the bother to polish the master & maintain it maybe through new releases for low income. Actually, I still see a market opportunity for someone: For BSD (or Linux) shipped on memory sticks. But I wont touch that, especially not in Germany with this tax system, & having to deal with thousands of customers at low profit per unit, plus a lot of german correspondence (German grammar not nice IMO) ... but its still a market BSD or Linux students could exploit (if not already ... I havent read CT mag & ads. lately to know if it's being done). Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. Not: HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. ___ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Mozilla retires Firefox 4 from security support
to: Jerry cc: c...@freebsd.org bcc:FreeBSD reply-to: c...@freebsd.org > We were, or at least I was under the impression we were, discussion web > browsers. Microsoft and Mozilla both made significant changes in the > browsers before bumping the major version number. That is Not about FreeBSD, a not a question, Off list remit chat does not belong to freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Please subscribe to c...@freebsd.org & move topic there ! Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. ___ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FAQ Interactive, Are Video Games Good? A Non-Gamer's Perspective
"=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel_Molina_Pascual?=" wrote: > I'm not a gamer today but I was a > moderate gamer during the late 80's and 90's. Aargh ! Please move subject from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com ___ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Why the FreeBSD license will not be changing
"Aryeh Friedman" wrote: > On Jan 10, 2008 12:17 PM, Julian Stacey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please Discuss Licensing On chat@, Not current@ ! > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > > > This is the mailing list for users of freebsd-current. It includes > > warnings about new features coming out in -current that will affect > > the users, and instructions on steps that must be taken to remain > > -current. Anyone running "current" must subscribe to this list. > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > > > This list contains the overflow from the other lists about > > non-technical, social information. It includes discussion about > > whether Jordan looks like a tune ferret or not, whether or not > > to type in capitals, who is drinking too much coffee, where the > > best beer is brewed, who is brewing beer in their basement, and > > so on. Occasional announcements of important events (such as > > upcoming parties, weddings, births, new jobs, etc) can be made > > to the technical lists, but the follow ups should be directed to > > this list. > > Small note I have already stated several times in the thread why this > is not in -chat@ No excuse. Abuse of current@ list remit may annoy people to request postmaster@ to remove abuser. Better: - Find another forum, perhaps already existing but not on @freebsd.org, Or - Use [EMAIL PROTECTED], Or - Ask [EMAIL PROTECTED] to create a list for those who want it, eg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] remit: "Licensing, Copyright, Law, Software Patents" -- Julian Stacey. Munich Computer Consultant, BSD Unix C Linux. http://berklix.com ___ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
