Re: Why I support BSD software
On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:08 PM Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-chat wrote: > It's bogus. It neither satisfies a good description of the pros and cons > of FreeBSD, neither of Linux. I do not compare operating systems or licenses according to their "betterness". Pros and cons is a subjective matter. And the list of them is boring. I point at some peculiarities that I sense presence of. I would like people to make their own thinking. I am not in love with BSD derived operating systems. I see things in GNU userland and Linux that adhere to Unix philosophy more than in BSD (as of today) and that is beautiful. According to the subject of the article I am free to write about my reasons. And it should not make a problem if my reasons are of different importance for different people. So, I still welcome people to say a word. Thanks a lot, Ralf. -- Yury https://yvgrebenkin.wordpress.com/ ___ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Why I support BSD software
*** Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-chat [2020-06-06 12:08]: >All operating systems and licenses have got pros and cons. >If you want to compare operating systems and licenses you should list >pros and cons of the mentioned operating systems, excluding untruth. Very true! Several months ago I wrote an article on russian comparing GNU/Linux and FreeBSD, but on russian language: https://m.habr.com/ru/post/490408/ Possibly could be interesting (although with a bit of holywar (of course)) for russian speaking. -- Sergey Matveev (http://www.stargrave.org/) OpenPGP: CF60 E89A 5923 1E76 E263 6422 AE1A 8109 E498 57EF ___ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Why I support BSD software
My very last comment ;). Standard not as in POSIX, but related to a group of software: [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi dssi lv2 | grep License Licenses: BSD LGPL Licenses: ISC BSD and BSD alike side by side with the GPL. Btw. I'm in favour of audio units https://developer.apple.com/documentation/audiotoolbox/auaudiounit . ___ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Why I support BSD software
PPS: On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 12:19:16 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-chat wrote: >> [rocketmouse@archlinux extra-x86_64]$ grep python2\ waf\ configure >> PKGBUILD -A7 >> python2 waf configure --prefix=/usr \ >> --configdir=/etc \ >> --with-backends="jack,alsa" \ >> --libjack=weak \ >> --optimize \ >> --docs \ >> --cxx11 \ >> --no-phone-home >> >> Even while the ardour developers are unlikely spying, the phone home >> >^^ main developer > the community helps Taking a look at Debian and Ubuntu, they also provide packages with 'phone home' disabled: https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/a/ardour/rules-16.0.0ds0-1 If you want Ardour with 'phone home' for at least Arch Linux, Debian and Ubuntu, you need to build your own package. The distro packages install it with phone home disabled. You might want to take a look at FreeBSD ports as well as Linux. Some panel plugins for weather report services and things like that might or might not collect data. IOW when using a "free as in beer service" that neither the FreeBSD, nor the Linux communities could provide on their own, it might cost something, such as data collection. IIRC the weather plugins I've seen don't do this, but imagine something such as software that might use satellite imagery (dunno if it exists for FLOSS at all). Neither the FreeBSD nor the Linux community have their own satellites. -- “Awards are merely the badges of mediocrity.” ― Charles Ives ___ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Why I support BSD software
Correction of a few typos I noticed: On Sat, 2020-06-06 at 12:08 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-chat wrote: > All operating systems and licenses have got pros and cons. > If you want to compare operating systems and licenses you should list > pros and cons of the mentioned operating systems, excluding untruth. ^ and licenses > If you just want to mention pros of an operating system and > licenses, don't add comparisons at all and list the pros and the cons, > excluding untruth. Probably without mentioning the cons. Not necessarily a good idea. Just imagine somebody buying hardware that isn't supported. > If you mention things that could be considered different > regarding the point of view, such as 'spyware', underpin it by > providing facts/links. > > Indeed some phone home options off FLOSS could be considered as > spyware, but FreeBSD as well as Linux maintainers and users could > decide to build with disabling phone home flags and don't need to use > data collecting software at all. Some users even consider some phone > home options as not being spyware, but a good tool for developers to > improve FLOSS software. > > An example: > > [rocketmouse@archlinux extra-x86_64]$ grep python2\ waf\ configure > PKGBUILD -A7 > python2 waf configure --prefix=/usr \ > --configdir=/etc \ > --with-backends="jack,alsa" \ > --libjack=weak \ > --optimize \ > --docs \ > --cxx11 \ > --no-phone-home > > Even while the ardour developers are unlikely spying, the phone home ^^ main developer the community helps > flag could collide with security measures, e.g. at a given time ardour > provides useful data for development, not over a tor network and at the > same time a browser is used for Internet research. Under some ^1^ tor browser > circumstances this might be unfavourable. > > Ardour is the only professional DAW available for FreeBSD as well as > Linux. It's GPL'ed without any side effect. It's free as in beer, but > the developer makes living out of it. ^ main developer > Controversial software such as (another example) Ubuntu's 'shopping > lens' aren't Linux as a whole, it's some software provided by a Linux > distro, that nobody is enforced to install in the first place. Just start with a minimal install or server image. > However, your blog is nothing else, but good for redirecting it to > /dev/null. > > It's bogus. It neither satisfies a good description of the pros and cons > of FreeBSD, neither of Linux. ___ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Why I support BSD software
All operating systems and licenses have got pros and cons. If you want to compare operating systems and licenses you should list pros and cons of the mentioned operating systems, excluding untruth. If you just want to mention pros of an operating system and licenses, don't add comparisons at all and list the pros and the cons, excluding untruth. If you mention things that could be considered different regarding the point of view, such as 'spyware', underpin it by providing facts/links. Indeed some phone home options off FLOSS could be considered as spyware, but FreeBSD as well as Linux maintainers and users could decide to build with disabling phone home flags and don't need to use data collecting software at all. Some users even consider some phone home options as not being spyware, but a good tool for developers to improve FLOSS software. An example: [rocketmouse@archlinux extra-x86_64]$ grep python2\ waf\ configure PKGBUILD -A7 python2 waf configure --prefix=/usr \ --configdir=/etc \ --with-backends="jack,alsa" \ --libjack=weak \ --optimize \ --docs \ --cxx11 \ --no-phone-home Even while the ardour developers are unlikely spying, the phone home flag could collide with security measures, e.g. at a given time ardour provides useful data for development, not over a tor network and at the same time a browser is used for Internet research. Under some circumstances this might be unfavourable. Ardour is the only professional DAW available for FreeBSD as well as Linux. It's GPL'ed without any side effect. It's free as in beer, but the developer makes living out of it. Controversial software such as (another example) Ubuntu's 'shopping lens' aren't Linux as a whole, it's some software provided by a Linux distro, that nobody is enforced to install in the first place. However, your blog is nothing else, but good for redirecting it to /dev/null. It's bogus. It neither satisfies a good description of the pros and cons of FreeBSD, neither of Linux. -- “Awards are merely the badges of mediocrity.” ― Charles Ives ___ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Why I support BSD software
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 11:41 AM Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-chat wrote: > > On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 10:51:56 +0300, Yury Grebenkin wrote: > >Please, let me know if something is inaccurate in the article: > > > >Why I support BSD software > >https://yvgrebenkin.wordpress.com/bsd/ > > This is absolutely correct, you are just missing a few points. For > example, the Free Software Foundation is using chemtrails to > manipulate computer users. > > This is a half-truth: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth#Spaceflight > > Actually Shuttleworth is a shapeshifter alien cow, it can't survive > without being in space. Like a wale needs to come up to breathe, the > cow alien needs to tank up cosmic rays at times. > > Hypnotizing red eyed cows manipulate computer users when running the > Ubuntu/Debian package management's 'moo' option. > > [root@archlinux moonstudio]# systemd-nspawn -q apt moo > (__) > (oo) >/--\/ > / ||| > * /\---/\ > ~~ ~~ > ..."Have you mooed today?"... > > -- > > /dev/null Let's focus on the article. I would not include the points you mention. -- Yury ___ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Why I support BSD software
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 10:51:56 +0300, Yury Grebenkin wrote: >Please, let me know if something is inaccurate in the article: > >Why I support BSD software >https://yvgrebenkin.wordpress.com/bsd/ This is absolutely correct, you are just missing a few points. For example, the Free Software Foundation is using chemtrails to manipulate computer users. This is a half-truth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth#Spaceflight Actually Shuttleworth is a shapeshifter alien cow, it can't survive without being in space. Like a wale needs to come up to breathe, the cow alien needs to tank up cosmic rays at times. Hypnotizing red eyed cows manipulate computer users when running the Ubuntu/Debian package management's 'moo' option. [root@archlinux moonstudio]# systemd-nspawn -q apt moo (__) (oo) /--\/ / ||| * /\---/\ ~~ ~~ ..."Have you mooed today?"... -- > /dev/null ___ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
