Re: 3DNow! support?

1999-05-11 Thread Doug Rabson
On Mon, 10 May 1999, W Gerald Hicks wrote:

> > > Is anyone planning on upgrading the binutils gas to a later version
> > > so that we can get 3DNow! support? I'd like to use it, but I can't
> > > seem to get binutils to work right manually.
> 
> > I will update binutils when/if 2.9.2 comes out.
> 
> I've seen some post-2.9.1 patches from the Debian folks...
> 

I'm waiting for the official gnu release.


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Re: cvs commit: src/sys/pci pcisupport.c

1999-05-11 Thread Doug Rabson
On Tue, 11 May 1999, NAKAGAWA Yoshihisa wrote:

> > I was thinking of doing this, the same as alpm and intpm:
> > 
> > case 0x:
> > #if NUHCI > 0
> > return NULL;
> > #else
> > return "VIA blah USB controller";
> > #endif
> 
> It depends on old-config, so poor mechanism. newconfig already
> implimented best match probe/attach.

And a very useful mechanism it is. Which is why I implemented priority
ordered probes in -current.

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Re: Tonight make world failed at isdnmonitor...

1999-05-11 Thread eagle


On Mon, 10 May 1999, Steve Kargl wrote:

> I sent a patch for this about 8 hours ago.  No one seems
> to read -current.
well it still is broken and i must of missed that patch somewhere in my
mail,

3:58 a.m east coast time tuesday 11

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ROOTDEVNAME changes break MFS_ROOT only kernels

1999-05-11 Thread John Birrell
Prior to the ROOTDEVNAME changes, I used to build embedded kernels with
MFS_ROOT and MFS_ROOT_SIZE options, plus the config line as:

config foo root on wd0

but _without_ any disk devices or disk controllers. The "root on wd0" on
the config line was to satisfy the config(8) syntax, but was overriden
by the use of MFS_ROOT AFAIK.

After the ROOTDEVNAME changes, the kernel always tries to mount a root
file system from a _device_ regardless of the MFS_ROOT option. Such a
kernel will always panic with: "error 6: panic: cannot mount root (2)".

FWIW, this is the kernel config file for an embedded kernel (called gizmo):

#
# GIZMO -- A little gizmo thingy.
#
machine "i386"
cpu "I386_CPU"
ident   GENERIC
maxusers2
options MATH_EMULATE# Support for x87 emulation
options INET# InterNETworking
options MFS # Memory filesystem
options "COMPAT_43" # Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!]
options UCONSOLE# Allow users to grab the console
options FAILSAFE# Be conservative
options MFS_ROOT# Use a memory file system as root.
options MFS_ROOT_SIZE=2048  # Space for MFS root filesystem.
options INIT_PATH="/gizmo"
config  gizmo
controller  isa0
device  npx0at nexus?   port IO_NPX  irq 13
device  sio0at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4
device  ed0 at isa? port 0x300   irq 11 iomem 0xd8000
pseudo-device   loop
pseudo-device   ether


Nice and simple, but after the ROOTDEVNAME changes, it cannot work. Sulk.
The ROOTDEVNAME stuff needs to be fixed to allow this. Local disks and
disk controllers should be optional.

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Re: Tonight make world failed at isdnmonitor...

1999-05-11 Thread Hellmuth Michaelis

> > I sent a patch for this about 8 hours ago.  No one seems
> > to read -current.
> well it still is broken and i must of missed that patch somewhere in my
> mail,
> 
> 3:58 a.m east coast time tuesday 11

just read mail, tested Steves fix, committed.

10:23 am central european summer time tuesday 11

The world is round and needs 24 hours to rotate once. ;-)

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Re: SPAM

1999-05-11 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Chuck Robey  writes:
> Garrett's points are why I sugggested that it would not be a useable
> approach for -questions, newbies, and mabye hackers, 'cause they all get
> a fair amount of posts like what Garrett describes.  Current and
> committers do NOT get such an audience, and the argument doesn't hold
> for those lists, which do get spammed.

Oh no? I regularly send mail to -current and -committers from at least
three different addresses, none of which are subscribed.

Listen up. We've been through this before. We all agreed it wouldn't
work. If you wanna know why, search the archives instead of making the
problem considerably worse by starting (and fueling) threads such as
this.

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Re: SPAM

1999-05-11 Thread Bob Vaughan
here's an idea.. 
why not have two addresses for the list. 

the first would be the public address, and would be restricted to subscribers.

the second would be a non-published address, which would be unrestricted,
and would feed the published list via a side door.

only the first list would be open for subscriptions.


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Re: Tonight make world failed at isdnmonitor...

1999-05-11 Thread Peter Wemm
> > ===> usr.sbin/i4b/isdnmonitor 
> > cc -Os -pipe -mpentium -DDEBUG  -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c
> > /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdn
> > monitor/main.c
> > /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdnmonitor/main.c:103: `major' redeclared as
> > different kind of symbol
> > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/sys/types.h:114: previous declaration of
> > `major'
> > /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdnmonitor/main.c:104: `minor' redeclared as
> > different kind of symbol
> > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/sys/types.h:108: previous declaration of
> > `minor'
> > {standard input}: Assembler messages:
> > {standard input}:1510: Fatal error: Symbol minor already defined.
> > *** Error code 1
> 
> tell phk thanks this ones related to his changes to types.h as well

phk has another patch in the pipeline right now that fixes this (ie:
major() etc become macros again in userlant.)  I'd have jumped in and
tweaked types.h to fix this particular problem, but that would be just
adding more deltas to dead-end code.   I think phk was planning a
checkpoint commit sometime shortly.  If he gets delayed, I'll give types.h
a tweak to avoid the problems and to buy some time.

Please remember, this is -current, we've got to expect things to be broken
every so often - but on the other hand, staying broken for too long is an
inconvenience for the developers who -current is intended for.

> Rob

Cheers,
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Re: de driver problem

1999-05-11 Thread Wilko Bulte
As Doug Rabson wrote ...
> On Sun, 9 May 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> 
> > As Doug Rabson wrote ...
> > > On Sun, 9 May 1999, Khaled Daham wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hello folks
> > > > 
> > > > I cvsupped,made world, built a kernel today and from now on the de
> > > 
> > > Some tulip boards in alpha systems don't autonegociate properly so the SRM
> > > has a way of forcing them to a particular mode. A change was made recently
> > 
> > Recently... I think it's been there for a couple of years.
> 
> Maybe you are remembering a NetBSD change?  We just started doing the same
> thing in FreeBSD recently.

Oops I was confusing things with another email about the messages
the driver spits out on dma not keeping up.

> > > to respect the SRM setting instead of using autoneg. The variable is
> > > typically called ewa0_mode. To find the right setting, type
> > > 
> > >   >>>set ewa0_mode
> > > 
> > > from the SRM prompt and it will give you a list of settings. Choose one,
> > > then type e.g.:
> > > 
> > >   >>>set ewa0_mode Twisted-Pair
> > 
> > Keep in mind that older SRMs that understand the older Tulip 10/100Mbit
> > chips  (21140 IRRC) might not recognise the new ones (is that the 21143?)
> > 
> > Bit me once..
> 
> Yeah. That must be why my 164lx won't netboot.

Could well be. My Aspen Alpine refused to with a DE500. A DE435 (10mbit
only) worked just dandy.

Groeten / Cheers,

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Make World Fails - minor and major conflict

1999-05-11 Thread Thomas Dean
I am running -current SMP as of last week.

I cvsup'ed last night and started a 'Make -j12 world'.

tomdean

===> usr.sbin/i4b/isdnmonitor
cc -O2 -m486 -pipe -DDEBUG  -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c 
/usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdnmonitor/main.c
gzip -cn /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdnmonitor/isdnmonitor.8 > isdnmonitor.8.gz
/usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdnmonitor/main.c:103: `major' redeclared as different 
kind of symbol
/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/sys/types.h:114: previous declaration of 
`major'
/usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdnmonitor/main.c:104: `minor' redeclared as different 
kind of symbol
/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/sys/types.h:108: previous declaration of 
`minor'
{standard input}: Assembler messages:
{standard input}:1519: Fatal error: Symbol minor already defined.
*** Error code 1
1 error
*** Error code 2
1 error
*** Error code 2
1 error
*** Error code 2
1 error
*** Error code 2
1 error
*** Error code 2
1 error
*** Error code 2
1 error


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Re: Tonight make world failed at isdnmonitor...

1999-05-11 Thread eagle


On Tue, 11 May 1999, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote:

> 
> > > I sent a patch for this about 8 hours ago.  No one seems
> > > to read -current.
> > well it still is broken and i must of missed that patch somewhere in my
> > mail,
> > 
> > 3:58 a.m east coast time tuesday 11
> 
> just read mail, tested Steves fix, committed.
> 
> 10:23 am central european summer time tuesday 11
> 
> The world is round and needs 24 hours to rotate once. ;-)
> 
> hellmuth

O.k. I admit it i've been an ass over changing the names of 2 variables in
what was it 8 lines of code.

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Re: Make World Fails - minor and major conflict

1999-05-11 Thread eagle


On Tue, 11 May 1999, Thomas Dean wrote:

> I am running -current SMP as of last week.
> 
> I cvsup'ed last night and started a 'Make -j12 world'.
> 
cvsup again that should fix it.

if it doesnt add my or anything else for that matter,  to all occurances
of the variable minor and major in that file.

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Anybody actually using gigabit ethernet?

1999-05-11 Thread Bill Paul
I'm wondering if anybody out there has actually done any experimentation
with gigabit ethernet boards using the Alteon Tigon driver. I know that
it works on my hardware, but it's nice to actually have some feedback
from people so that I know if it's actually working worth a damn. So
far I have not heard a peep out of anybody, other than a couple of people
who were nice enough to help out with some driver testing, and that
was months ago.

I usually consider this a good thing, because it means that at least
nobody is complaining. But when people ask me "hey Bill, how well do
these boards work with FreeBSD?" all I can tell them is that they seem
to work okay in my limited test environment. This does not exactly
provide a lot of motivation to go out and buy some gigabit ethernet
cards.

Also, I only have access to a limited selection of cards (I have a 3Com
and a Netgear board, and others have tested AceNIC boards) so I don't
know for sure if some of the ones that I claim to support actually
work. (I don't have any reason to believe they won't, but Murphy's
Law applies.) I also don't have access to a gigabit switch, so my
testing is limited to blasting traffic between two hosts through a
fiber patch.

So, if anybody is actually using a Tigon-based gigabit board with
STABLE or CURRENT, let me know. Is it working reliably? Is performance
good? Is it bad? Inquiring minds want to know.

-Bill

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Re: Anybody actually using gigabit ethernet?

1999-05-11 Thread Dennis Glatting

In reading your message I felt compelled to ask you a question. Are
you using gb end-to-end? That probably isn't a good idea because in
TCP the sequence numbers can wrap within timeout periods and the data
stream become undetectably (from a TCP perspective) corrupt.

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Re: Anybody actually using gigabit ethernet?

1999-05-11 Thread Bill Paul
Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Dennis Glatting 
had to walk into mine and say:
 
> In reading your message I felt compelled to ask you a question. Are
> you using gb end-to-end? That probably isn't a good idea because in
> TCP the sequence numbers can wrap within timeout periods and the data
> stream become undetectably (from a TCP perspective) corrupt.

You didn't read what I said. I don't have a gigabit ethernet switch.
I only have cards. Therefore the *only* way I can test the operation
of the driver and adapters is to connect two machines with gigabit
cards back to back with a patch cable. This automatically implies 'using 
gb end-to-end.'

As for corruption due to TCP sequence number wrapping, I don't know
what to tell you. I never noticed such behavior in my tests, but that's
why I'm asking for feedback from other people.

-Bill

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Feedback on new drivers (was: Re: Anybody actually using gigabit ethernet?)

1999-05-11 Thread Nick Hibma

There should be a more general mechanism for this. I have the same
problem with the USB stuff. 100+ people on the usb-bsd mailing list and
only answers to directed questions. 

What about, like 'HEADS-UP', a 'FEEDBACK: ' message that
should invite people to send 'it works' messages. And maybe provide
a template of commands to cut and paste. Something like:

(echo it works for me
uname -a
ident 
dmesg | grep '^'
) | mail -s "" per...@address

assuming that people are too lazy to type things in themselves.

Cheers,

Nick


On Tue, 11 May 1999, Bill Paul wrote:

 > I'm wondering if anybody out there has actually done any experimentation
 > with gigabit ethernet boards using the Alteon Tigon driver. I know that
 > it works on my hardware, but it's nice to actually have some feedback
 > from people so that I know if it's actually working worth a damn. So
 > far I have not heard a peep out of anybody, other than a couple of people
 > who were nice enough to help out with some driver testing, and that
 > was months ago.
 > 
 > I usually consider this a good thing, because it means that at least
 > nobody is complaining. But when people ask me "hey Bill, how well do
 > these boards work with FreeBSD?" all I can tell them is that they seem
 > to work okay in my limited test environment. This does not exactly
 > provide a lot of motivation to go out and buy some gigabit ethernet
 > cards.
 > 
 > Also, I only have access to a limited selection of cards (I have a 3Com
 > and a Netgear board, and others have tested AceNIC boards) so I don't
 > know for sure if some of the ones that I claim to support actually
 > work. (I don't have any reason to believe they won't, but Murphy's
 > Law applies.) I also don't have access to a gigabit switch, so my
 > testing is limited to blasting traffic between two hosts through a
 > fiber patch.
 > 
 > So, if anybody is actually using a Tigon-based gigabit board with
 > STABLE or CURRENT, let me know. Is it working reliably? Is performance
 > good? Is it bad? Inquiring minds want to know.
 > 
 > -Bill
 > 
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Re: Anybody actually using gigabit ethernet?

1999-05-11 Thread Snob Art Genre
On Tue, 11 May 1999, Dennis Glatting wrote:

> In reading your message I felt compelled to ask you a question. Are
> you using gb end-to-end? That probably isn't a good idea because in
> TCP the sequence numbers can wrap within timeout periods and the data
> stream become undetectably (from a TCP perspective) corrupt.

Isn't that adequately covered by the PAWS extension from RFC 1323?


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Re: Anybody actually using gigabit ethernet?

1999-05-11 Thread sthaug
> You didn't read what I said. I don't have a gigabit ethernet switch.
> I only have cards. Therefore the *only* way I can test the operation
> of the driver and adapters is to connect two machines with gigabit
> cards back to back with a patch cable. This automatically implies 'using 
> gb end-to-end.'
> 
> As for corruption due to TCP sequence number wrapping, I don't know
> what to tell you. I never noticed such behavior in my tests, but that's
> why I'm asking for feedback from other people.

The obvious answer to the TCP sequence number problem is RFC 1323. I assume
anybody who wants to use gigabit Ethernet over significant distances *will*
use RFC 1323, if they are interested in any performance at all. Otherwise
the 64 kbyte window will kill you.

As for me, I have tested the driver with Netgear cards. Works great here,
I got 470 Mbps (effective application to application) with ttcp, running
back to back on a PII-350 and a Celeron 300A (overclocked to 337, thus PCI
bus clocked at 37.5 Mhz). The limit in my case is clearly the CPU. However
I did *not* see any better performance when I turned on jumbo frames.

Next I'll put one card in an old PPro-200 and see what I can get from that.

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Re: Anybody actually using gigabit ethernet?

1999-05-11 Thread Peter Wemm
Snob Art Genre wrote:
> On Tue, 11 May 1999, Dennis Glatting wrote:
> 
> > In reading your message I felt compelled to ask you a question. Are
> > you using gb end-to-end? That probably isn't a good idea because in
> > TCP the sequence numbers can wrap within timeout periods and the data
> > stream become undetectably (from a TCP perspective) corrupt.
> 
> Isn't that adequately covered by the PAWS extension from RFC 1323?

Well, maybe it would, but

[1:09am]~src/etc-111# grep tcp_ext defaults/rc.conf 
tcp_extensions="NO" # Disallow RFC1323 extensions (or YES).

It's off by default. :-(

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-Peter



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Re: Anybody actually using gigabit ethernet?

1999-05-11 Thread Garrett Wollman
< As for me, I have tested the driver with Netgear cards. Works great here,
> I got 470 Mbps (effective application to application) with ttcp, running
> back to back on a PII-350 and a Celeron 300A (overclocked to 337, thus PCI
> bus clocked at 37.5 Mhz). The limit in my case is clearly the CPU. However
> I did *not* see any better performance when I turned on jumbo
> frames.

I'm buying one of these cards today ($319.99 from NECX) and will stick
it into a machine here on our new Gigabit backbone.  I'm particularly
interested to test out the VLAN support, since my Secret Plan is to
have this one machine serve as the DHCP server for the whole Lab (17
subnets).

-GAWollman

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Re: Anybody actually using gigabit ethernet?

1999-05-11 Thread Snob Art Genre
On Wed, 12 May 1999, Peter Wemm wrote:

> > Isn't that adequately covered by the PAWS extension from RFC 1323?
> 
> Well, maybe it would, but
> 
> [1:09am]~src/etc-111# grep tcp_ext defaults/rc.conf 
> tcp_extensions="NO" # Disallow RFC1323 extensions (or YES).
> 
> It's off by default. :-(

IMO that's a good thing, because for some reason, the RFC 1323
extensions break a lot of older terminal servers.


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RE: Anybody actually using gigabit ethernet?

1999-05-11 Thread David Schwartz

> IMO that's a good thing, because for some reason, the RFC 1323
> extensions break a lot of older terminal servers.

One could argue that it's more accurate to state that the terminal 
servers
break RFC1323, but alas the effect is the same.

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Re: Anybody actually using gigabit ethernet?

1999-05-11 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Wed, May 12, 1999 at 01:11:43AM +0800, Peter Wemm wrote:
> Snob Art Genre wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 May 1999, Dennis Glatting wrote:
> > 
> > > In reading your message I felt compelled to ask you a question. Are
> > > you using gb end-to-end? That probably isn't a good idea because in
> > > TCP the sequence numbers can wrap within timeout periods and the data
> > > stream become undetectably (from a TCP perspective) corrupt.
> > 
> > Isn't that adequately covered by the PAWS extension from RFC 1323?
> 
> Well, maybe it would, but
> 
> [1:09am]~src/etc-111# grep tcp_ext defaults/rc.conf 
> tcp_extensions="NO" # Disallow RFC1323 extensions (or YES).

No.. it's _on_ by default.  (YES to disallow.)

Joe
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Re: Anybody actually using gigabit ethernet?

1999-05-11 Thread Chuck Youse

Where did you learn to read?

Chuck Youse 
Director of Systems
cyo...@cybersites.com


On Tue, 11 May 1999, Josef Karthauser wrote:

> On Wed, May 12, 1999 at 01:11:43AM +0800, Peter Wemm wrote:

> > tcp_extensions="NO" # Disallow RFC1323 extensions (or YES).
> 
> No.. it's _on_ by default.  (YES to disallow.)
> 
> Joe
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Re: Anybody actually using gigabit ethernet?

1999-05-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp

Isn't it more appropriate to ask where he didn't learn to read ?  :-)

Poul-Henning

In message , Chuc
k Youse writes:
>
>Where did you learn to read?
>
>Chuck Youse 
>Director of Systems
>cyo...@cybersites.com
>
>
>On Tue, 11 May 1999, Josef Karthauser wrote:
>
>> On Wed, May 12, 1999 at 01:11:43AM +0800, Peter Wemm wrote:
>
>> > tcp_extensions="NO" # Disallow RFC1323 extensions (or YES).
>> 
>> No.. it's _on_ by default.  (YES to disallow.)
>> 
>> Joe
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Scanners

1999-05-11 Thread Tomer Weller

i got a new UMAX Atrsa 1220P scanner, i have no idea how to configure this in
FreeBSD or Linux (or if i even can), im on 4.0-CURRENT. 
 ==
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Re: somebody has broken sysctlbyname() in -current

1999-05-11 Thread Andrzej Bialecki
On Sat, 8 May 1999, Peter Wemm wrote:

> It's interesting that the ANSI emulation in loader(8) is good enough to do
> full-screen displays.  It still seems to make sense to move userconfig-like
> functionality into the pre-kernel stages including moving config(8)'s hints
> to a loaded and parsed file.  Forth, bah.. :-]

Heh... To tell you the truth, that was my initial dream which prompted me
to start writing it. It could be done now, really...

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Re: de driver problem

1999-05-11 Thread Doug Rabson
On Mon, 10 May 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote:

> > 
> > Yeah. That must be why my 164lx won't netboot.
> 
> Could well be. My Aspen Alpine refused to with a DE500. A DE435 (10mbit
> only) worked just dandy.

That reminds me. Does your Alpine still work after the new-bus stuff? I
wasn't sure I hadn't broken it when I changed the apecs driver.

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the new config and booting

1999-05-11 Thread Gary Jennejohn
I switched to the new config(8) today, where the ``config kernel root on..''
line is no longer tolerated in the config file.

I now have to ``boot -r'' to avoid a `can't mount root' panic. This wasn't
necessary before.

I know I can probably put something into /boot/ to automate this.
Just thought I'd report my (negative) experience.


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Re: the new config and booting

1999-05-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <199905111939.vaa02...@peedub.muc.de>, Gary Jennejohn writes:
>I switched to the new config(8) today, where the ``config kernel root on..''
>line is no longer tolerated in the config file.
>
>I now have to ``boot -r'' to avoid a `can't mount root' panic. This wasn't
>necessary before.
>
>I know I can probably put something into /boot/ to automate this.
>Just thought I'd report my (negative) experience.

What's your config ?  It sounds like the boot code isn't telling the
kernel the right thing...

I belive it picks the bootmajor from the type field in the 
disklabel. (right Mike ?)

So do you have a IDE/ATA disk labeled as SCSI by any chance ?

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Re: cvs commit: src/sys/pci pcisupport.c

1999-05-11 Thread Peter Wemm
Doug Rabson wrote:
> On Tue, 11 May 1999, NAKAGAWA Yoshihisa wrote:
> 
> > > I was thinking of doing this, the same as alpm and intpm:
> > > 
> > > case 0x:
> > > #if NUHCI > 0
> > >   return NULL;
> > > #else
> > >   return "VIA blah USB controller";
> > > #endif
> > 
> > It depends on old-config, so poor mechanism. newconfig already
> > implimented best match probe/attach.
> 
> And a very useful mechanism it is. Which is why I implemented priority
> ordered probes in -current.

For the sake of the thread, this got committed a day or two ago, and these
hacks have been replaced with a low priority match.

Cheers,
-Peter



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Re: Tonight make world failed at isdnmonitor...

1999-05-11 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Hellmuth Michaelis:
> hellmuth

BTW do you plan to import i4b 0.80 into CURRENT ?
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Incorrect memory sizes reported

1999-05-11 Thread Kevin Day

I'm not sure if this is related to the bug I found in 3.1, regarding mmaping
devices, then forking, but with my -current NFS server:

  PID USERNAME PRI NICE  SIZERES STATETIME   WCPUCPU COMMAND
  139 root   2   0   257M   452K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% rpc.statd

257M? :) ps shows similar info...


Kevin


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RE: Incorrect memory sizes reported

1999-05-11 Thread David Schwartz

This is normal. It's using a lot of virtual memory. Fortunately, virtual
memory is cheap.

DS

> I'm not sure if this is related to the bug I found in 3.1,
> regarding mmaping
> devices, then forking, but with my -current NFS server:
>
>   PID USERNAME PRI NICE  SIZERES STATETIME   WCPUCPU COMMAND
>   139 root   2   0   257M   452K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% rpc.statd
>
> 257M? :) ps shows similar info...
>
>
> Kevin



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Re: Incorrect memory sizes reported

1999-05-11 Thread Kevin Day
> 
>   This is normal. It's using a lot of virtual memory. Fortunately, virtual
> memory is cheap.
> 
>   DS
> 
> > I'm not sure if this is related to the bug I found in 3.1,
> > regarding mmaping
> > devices, then forking, but with my -current NFS server:
> >
> >   PID USERNAME PRI NICE  SIZERES STATETIME   WCPUCPU COMMAND
> >   139 root   2   0   257M   452K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% rpc.statd
> >
> > 257M? :) ps shows similar info...
> >
> >
> > Kevin
> 
> 

Ok, I stand corrected then 

I hadn't seen this before...

2.2.8:
root 14127  0.0  0.1   176  492  ??  Ss5:14PM0:00.00 rpc.statd

3.1:
root 853  0.0  0.7  172  416  ??  Ss7:18AM   0:00.00 rpc.statd


There still is the issue I described a while back that would make children
show negative numbers in 'size' though, that i can confirm isn't sucking
that much VM.


Kevin


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Re: FBSDBOOT.EXE

1999-05-11 Thread Carlos C. Tapang
Because I need it, I have upgraded fbsdboot.exe so now it can recognize ELF.
If anybody else needs it, please let me know and I'll see what I can do for
you.
ps. I had to use my old Microsoft Visual C++ (ver 1.5) to do this
modification.
Carlos C. Tapang
http://www.genericwindows.com

-Original Message-
From: Jordan K. Hubbard 
To: Carlos C. Tapang 
Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG 
Date: Saturday, May 01, 1999 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: FBSDBOOT.EXE


>> Is there anybody out there working on upgrading fbsdboot.exe so that it
can
>> recognize ELF?
>
>I believe that fbsdboot.exe has, instead, simply been retired.  Sorry
>I don't have better news than this.
>
>- Jordan
>
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problem with dev_t changes and pageout..

1999-05-11 Thread Peter Wemm
It looks like something has come unstuck:

Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
mp_lock = 0002; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 
fault virtual address   = 0x28
fault code  = supervisor read, page not present
instruction pointer = 0x8:0xc017bb67
stack pointer   = 0x10:0xc5d97de4
frame pointer   = 0x10:0xc5d97df0
code segment= base 0x0, limit 0xf, type 0x1b
= DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1
processor eflags= interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
current process = 2 (pagedaemon)
interrupt mask  = net bio cam  <- SMP: XXX
kernel: type 12 trap, code=0
Stopped at  spec_strategy+0x93: movl0x28(%edx),%eax
  ^^^ %edx = null
db> trace
spec_strategy(c5d97e1c) at spec_strategy+0x93
swap_pager_putpages(c02904fc,c5d97ecc,2,0,c5d97e60) at swap_pager_putpages+0x3e1
default_pager_putpages(c02904fc,c5d97ecc,2,0,c5d97e60) at 
default_pager_putpages+0x17
vm_pageout_flush(c5d97ecc,2,0,c5d97eb0,c02182cf) at vm_pageout_flush+0x91
vm_pageout_clean(c04d6b60,8000,c013e290,2000,c5d97f78) at 
vm_pageout_clean+0x1f1
vm_pageout_scan(8000,c02789c0,c02789c0,c5d97fac,c013e2c3) at 
vm_pageout_scan+0x45e
vm_pageout(c5d8fdf7,c0255500,c02789c0,c020c640,c020c748) at vm_pageout+0x221
kproc_start(c02789c0) at kproc_start+0x33
fork_trampoline(10b8a0,d88e,18b8c08e,8e00,24448be0) at 
fork_trampoline+0x30
db> ps
  pid   proc addruid  ppid  pgrp  flag stat wmesg   wchan   cmd
  438 c680da40 c6818000  495   282   277 04  3   biord c332d9c0 p4d
  437 c5d8c340 c6802000  433   417   415 004084  3  piperd c6760660 tee
  436 c680dd00 c681  433   417   415 004004  3   biord c33626f8 p4
  418 c680dba0 c6815000  433   415   415 004084  3  piperd c6760700 mail
  417 c680de60 c680e000  433   415   415 004084  3wait c680de60 sh
[..]

The offending line in spec_strategy is:
(*bdevsw(bp->b_dev)->d_strategy)(bp);

d_strategy was null..  I'm still looking.

(I think this is the first time the box paged out since booting a few hours
ago, it's got 128M, but p4d has got a lot of stuff to deal with and can hit
a vsize of 70MB or so.)

Cheers,
-Peter



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Nt source licenses...

1999-05-11 Thread Luigi Rizzo
Hi,
maybe i am the last one in the world to know, but were you guys aware
of this:

http://research.microsoft.com/programs/NTSrcLicInfo.htm

Microsoft makes Windows NT source code available to universities
and other "not-for-profit" research institutions at no charge.
Currently, there are over 55 universities and government agencies
with source licenses.
...

I still have to check the exact conditions though. The above web page
says this:

Features of the license 

 * No cost 
 * Intellectual property created with the use of NT source code is
   owned by the researcher. 
 * Source licensees can share source or other source-based work
   with other NT Source licensees. 
 * Source is licensed to the requesting organization, not individuals
   to insure broad internal access. 
 * No employment restrictions as the result of viewing or using the
   source. 

cheers
luigi
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Re: de driver problem

1999-05-11 Thread Wilko Bulte
As Doug Rabson wrote ...
> On Mon, 10 May 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > > Yeah. That must be why my 164lx won't netboot.
> > 
> > Could well be. My Aspen Alpine refused to with a DE500. A DE435 (10mbit
> > only) worked just dandy.
> 
> That reminds me. Does your Alpine still work after the new-bus stuff? I
> wasn't sure I hadn't broken it when I changed the apecs driver.

My Alpine is on a not so current -current, but it is rebuilding world now.
Stay tuned, I can probably tell you more tomorrow.

Groeten / Cheers,

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Re: the new config and booting

1999-05-11 Thread Mike Smith
> I switched to the new config(8) today, where the ``config kernel root on..''
> line is no longer tolerated in the config file.
> 
> I now have to ``boot -r'' to avoid a `can't mount root' panic. This wasn't
> necessary before.
> 
> I know I can probably put something into /boot/ to automate this.
> Just thought I'd report my (negative) experience.

Can you tell us what it's trying to mount vs. what it should be 
mounting?

I'm in the process of rewriting parts of this code again to fix the 
mess that's been made of it.  I'm not sure I'll get all the way, but in 
conjunction with some small changes in the loader it *should* make 
problems like yours history.

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Re: FBSDBOOT.EXE

1999-05-11 Thread Bob Bishop
Hi,

At 15:22 11/05/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Because I need it, I have upgraded fbsdboot.exe so now it can recognize ELF.
>If anybody else needs it, please let me know and I'll see what I can do for
>you.

I'm going to have a use for it RSN

>ps. I had to use my old Microsoft Visual C++ (ver 1.5) to do this
>modification.

Ick. I was hoping for a 32bit build at least, although I suppose it doesn't
matter much. Will you be posting diffs?

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Re: cvs commit: src/sys/pci pcisupport.c

1999-05-11 Thread NAKAGAWA Yoshihisa
> For the sake of the thread, this got committed a day or two ago, and these
> hacks have been replaced with a low priority match.

Why do you use another mechanism of 4.4BSD ? Don't loss time and
loss inter-operability between other BSDs.

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Re: tosha after CAM changes

1999-05-11 Thread Eric Hodel
I must have missed a step making world, so everything works just fine
now.  Thanks for the concern.

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/usr/src/release/Makefile patch

1999-05-11 Thread John W. DeBoskey
Hi,

   Could you please consider the following patch to
/usr/src/release/Makefile? It may not be entirely correct,
but it allows a 'cd /usr/src/release && make release' to
run to completion.  In the kernel makefile, 'kernel'
is not a target, ${KERNEL} is, and ${KERNEL} has the value
'GENERIC'.

   Comments welcome!

Thanks!
John 

#   $Id: Makefile,v 1.482 1999/05/09 17:00:04 obrien Exp $


--- /snap/release/usr/src/release/Makefile~ Tue May 11 23:50:52 1999
+++ /snap/release/usr/src/release/Makefile  Tue May 11 23:43:49 1999
@@ -634,9 +634,9 @@
@rm -f ${RD}/kernels/${KERNEL}
@cd ${.CURDIR}/../sys/${MACHINE_ARCH}/conf && config ${KERNEL}
@cd ${.CURDIR}/../sys/compile/${KERNEL} && \
-   make  depend && \
-   make  kernel && \
-   cp kernel ${RD}/kernels/${KERNEL}
+   make  depend && pwd && \
+   make  ${KERNEL} && \
+   cp ${KERNEL} ${RD}/kernels/${KERNEL}
 
 #
 # --==## Put a filesystem into a BOOTMFS kernel ##==--



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Re: cvs commit: src/sys/pci pcisupport.c

1999-05-11 Thread NAKAGAWA Yoshihisa
> Because 4.4BSD got it wrong.  It has always been the belief of the
> FreeBSD Project's management that 4.4's totally-static configuration

No! 4.4BSD mechanism is good. Newconfig already support dynamic
configuration and *good* module support (not yet merge newconfig CVS).

> mechanism was unacceptable -- else we would have used it years ago.

It is not formal core decision.

> Our policy in all areas has been that we'd rather do the Right Thing
> than follow the crowd.

new-bus is wrong way. You are misunderstanding 4.4BSD mechanism.

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Re: Incorrect memory sizes reported

1999-05-11 Thread Max Khon
hi, there!

On Tue, 11 May 1999, Kevin Day wrote:

> I'm not sure if this is related to the bug I found in 3.1, regarding mmaping
> devices, then forking, but with my -current NFS server:
> 
>   PID USERNAME PRI NICE  SIZERES STATETIME   WCPUCPU COMMAND
>   139 root   2   0   257M   452K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% rpc.statd
> 
> 257M? :) ps shows similar info...

got the same on -stable machine (built 28 Apr) about a week ago

/fjoe



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Re: FBSDBOOT.EXE

1999-05-11 Thread Max Khon
hi, there!

On Tue, 11 May 1999, Carlos C. Tapang wrote:

> Because I need it, I have upgraded fbsdboot.exe so now it can recognize ELF.
> If anybody else needs it, please let me know and I'll see what I can do for
> you.
> ps. I had to use my old Microsoft Visual C++ (ver 1.5) to do this
> modification.

where can I get the diffs or binaries?

/fjoe



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