Re: Anybody using gp driver?
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gerrit =?iso-8859-1?Q? K=FChn?= writes: >On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 06:31:27PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> >I might have guessed it. >> >Is there anything around FreeBSD you're not working with or on? ;-) > >> sound cards :-) > >Hey, you can quite easily make oscilloscopes from them... :) Not for the speeds I need :-) >> >Perhaps I'll be able to have a look at it next week. Which gpib chipsets >> >does it support (apart from NI, which seems to be some kind of standard)? > >> The idea was to have the generic NI API and per-chip driver code. I > >So you already implemented the complete NI command set?! Not quite but a lot of it yes. The NI command set seems to be simply wrapper functions of the 7210 chip anyway... >Hm, my PCI card (made by INES) uses afaicr a NEC chip, too (can't remember >the number now). Did you ever try to ask Frank Mori Hess or one of the >other guys who are maintaining the Linux gpib driver about datasheets? >Should be strange if no-one has them... I've never spent much time on it, I found some data sheets on some newer chips which were 7210 compatible and went from there. >> Sure it is, but only if there is sufficient hacker momentum will it >> gain the ability and retain the ability. GPIB has been discussed about >> once per year for the last 5 year and we've gotten nowhere further >> for that... > >Ok, I see. Linux seems to have suffered a similar problem for some time. >Actually it's quite a pity - gpib is really useful stuff to have in a lab. >Well, my hacking skills are rather poor and my time is somewhat limited; >otherwise I would already have put more effort into this. And here we go again :-) As much as I'd personally love to have GPIB in FreeBSD, I just don't see it having enough mindshare and marketshare to happen. I'd love to be proven wrong... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Anybody using gp driver?
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 06:31:27PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >I might have guessed it. > >Is there anything around FreeBSD you're not working with or on? ;-) > sound cards :-) Hey, you can quite easily make oscilloscopes from them... :) > >Perhaps I'll be able to have a look at it next week. Which gpib chipsets > >does it support (apart from NI, which seems to be some kind of standard)? > The idea was to have the generic NI API and per-chip driver code. I So you already implemented the complete NI command set?! > only have the old PCIIA card with the NEC chip 7210 for which I have > not been able to find a proper datasheet anywhere. Hm, my PCI card (made by INES) uses afaicr a NEC chip, too (can't remember the number now). Did you ever try to ask Frank Mori Hess or one of the other guys who are maintaining the Linux gpib driver about datasheets? Should be strange if no-one has them... > >Hm, FreeBSD is not supposed to do measurements and steering devices? > Sure it is, but only if there is sufficient hacker momentum will it > gain the ability and retain the ability. GPIB has been discussed about > once per year for the last 5 year and we've gotten nowhere further > for that... Ok, I see. Linux seems to have suffered a similar problem for some time. Actually it's quite a pity - gpib is really useful stuff to have in a lab. Well, my hacking skills are rather poor and my time is somewhat limited; otherwise I would already have put more effort into this. cu Gerrit -- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Anybody using gp driver?
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gerrit =?iso-8859-1?Q? K=FChn?= writes: >On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 05:03:22PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> >BTW: Are there more people around (except for you and me :-) who would like >> >to see decent gpib-support in FreeBSD? > >> Yes, me. > >I might have guessed it. >Is there anything around FreeBSD you're not working with or on? ;-) sound cards :-) >> I'm currently running on a hacked up "GPIB from userland" I did myself, >> unfortunately it works well enough that I have never gotten around to >> push it into the kernel. >> >> http://phk.freebsd.dk/patch/GPIB.tgz > >Perhaps I'll be able to have a look at it next week. Which gpib chipsets >does it support (apart from NI, which seems to be some kind of standard)? The idea was to have the generic NI API and per-chip driver code. I only have the old PCIIA card with the NEC chip 7210 for which I have not been able to find a proper datasheet anywhere. >> On the other hand, GPIB is not going to be a major market for us, but >> merely a fringe convenience feature I suspect. > >Hm, FreeBSD is not supposed to do measurements and steering devices? Sure it is, but only if there is sufficient hacker momentum will it gain the ability and retain the ability. GPIB has been discussed about once per year for the last 5 year and we've gotten nowhere further for that... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Anybody using gp driver?
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 09:17:54AM -0800, Frank Mayhar wrote: > http://people.freebsd.org/~tg/gpib.Sep22b.tar.gz > > (Galbraith's old site is dead.) > > Just FYI, so that others can avoid the inconvenience of doing the same > search. Thanks! cu Gerrit -- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Anybody using gp driver?
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 05:03:22PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >BTW: Are there more people around (except for you and me :-) who would like > >to see decent gpib-support in FreeBSD? > Yes, me. I might have guessed it. Is there anything around FreeBSD you're not working with or on? ;-) > I'm currently running on a hacked up "GPIB from userland" I did myself, > unfortunately it works well enough that I have never gotten around to > push it into the kernel. > > http://phk.freebsd.dk/patch/GPIB.tgz Perhaps I'll be able to have a look at it next week. Which gpib chipsets does it support (apart from NI, which seems to be some kind of standard)? > On the other hand, GPIB is not going to be a major market for us, but > merely a fringe convenience feature I suspect. Hm, FreeBSD is not supposed to do measurements and steering devices? When I was looking for an OS with gpib support apart from Windows some time ago, the only thing I could find was an old driver for Linux 2.0.x and the one for FreeBSD; even NetBSD didn't offer gpib support, though I supposed that it is more targeted to that kind of things. Now we have most of our "high-level" software for gpib written in Java, and it runs on Linux and Windows. For BSD I would just need the driver (and probably a new JNI). cu Gerrit -- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Anybody using gp driver?
Re John Galbraith's driver, I did a quick Google search and the "latest" version (dated 9/22/98) is available on Thomas Gellekum's FreeBSD page: http://people.freebsd.org/~tg/gpib.Sep22b.tar.gz (Galbraith's old site is dead.) Just FYI, so that others can avoid the inconvenience of doing the same search. -- Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Anybody using gp driver?
Gerrit Kühn wrote: > BTW: Are there more people around (except for you and me :-) who would like > to see decent gpib-support in FreeBSD? Me! :-) I have a PCI gpib card lying around that I just haven't had time to play with. If there were a working driver, though, it would be very useful. -- Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Anybody using gp driver?
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 03:43:12PM +0100, Gerrit K?hn wrote: > On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 01:48:59AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: > > > : Oops, is it /that/ bad? > > > I can't convince myself that it would have any chance of working. > > That's why I asked. > > Hm, doesn't sound very promising then. :) John Galbraith wrote a driver for National Instruments' AT-GPIB/TNT and AT-GPIB cards a few years ago. It reportedly was much better than the driver in the tree. I don't know whatever happen to his code. > > > : Well, as I said above: I'm not using it so far, but given some time I may be > > : able to find out if it's still working. > > > Please let me know if you succeed. > > BTW: Are there more people around (except for you and me :-) who would like > to see decent gpib-support in FreeBSD?i See the mailing list archives for people who have discussed the gpib driver in the past. -- Steve ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Anybody using gp driver?
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gerrit =?iso-8859-1?Q? K=FChn?= writes: >BTW: Are there more people around (except for you and me :-) who would like >to see decent gpib-support in FreeBSD? Yes, me. I'm currently running on a hacked up "GPIB from userland" I did myself, unfortunately it works well enough that I have never gotten around to push it into the kernel. http://phk.freebsd.dk/patch/GPIB.tgz On the other hand, GPIB is not going to be a major market for us, but merely a fringe convenience feature I suspect. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Anybody using gp driver?
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 01:48:59AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: > : Oops, is it /that/ bad? > I can't convince myself that it would have any chance of working. > That's why I asked. Hm, doesn't sound very promising then. :) > : Well, as I said above: I'm not using it so far, but given some time I may be > : able to find out if it's still working. > Please let me know if you succeed. I'll send you a message then. Although I really don't know when I should find time to play around with those things. I have working gpib PCI/PCMCIA cards under Linux and need to get some measurements done before I can think about making things "more challanging" (like changing over to FreeBSD or trying out some of the ancient 8bit cards :-). Anyway, do I need FreeBSD 4.x for the tests or is there any chance that 5.x will work with this driver, too? BTW: Are there more people around (except for you and me :-) who would like to see decent gpib-support in FreeBSD? I can remember that even the free gpib driver for Linux was unmaintained for some years until it became almost unusable (only for kernel 2.0.x then, with 2.4.x already out in the streets). Luckily some people have taken up the development some months ago, so there is a version working for 2.4.x now. Is there any chance to benefit from the Linux driver, or will a FreeBSD driver require to be rewritten from scratch? cu Gerrit -- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Anybody using gp driver?
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gerrit Kühn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : > but it certainly won't be based on this driver! : : Oops, is it /that/ bad? I can't convince myself that it would have any chance of working. That's why I asked. : > The questions here are only 'does this driver work?' and 'is anybody : > able to use it?' : : Well, as I said above: I'm not using it so far, but given some time I may be : able to find out if it's still working. Please let me know if you succeed. Warner ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Anybody using gp driver?
On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 02:10:22PM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: > I'm wondering if anybody is using, or even able to use, the gpib > driver. It uses the old ISA shims, and is one of the drivers that no > one has acked working in when I ask about the old isa shim drivers. I always wanted to use it. I have plenty of old ISA GPIB cards here, but unfortunately I never found the time to play around with them so far. > I'd also like to say that I'd love to see a good, and proper gpib > framework in the tree, I second this. ;-) > but it certainly won't be based on this driver! Oops, is it /that/ bad? > The questions here are only 'does this driver work?' and 'is anybody > able to use it?' Well, as I said above: I'm not using it so far, but given some time I may be able to find out if it's still working. cu Gerrit -- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Anybody using gp driver?
I'm wondering if anybody is using, or even able to use, the gpib driver. It uses the old ISA shims, and is one of the drivers that no one has acked working in when I ask about the old isa shim drivers. So, I'm wondering if anybody is actually using the gp driver on a current machine (or even a 4.x stable machine) at all. It has been a long time since we've received reports of its working. I'd like to remove it from the tree if it isn't working at all or if no one is uing it. I'd also like to say that I'd love to see a good, and proper gpib framework in the tree, but it certainly won't be based on this driver! The questions here are only 'does this driver work?' and 'is anybody able to use it?' Warner ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
