Re: A proposal
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Allan Jude wrote: > On 2014-03-29 09:21, Joe Nosay wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Steve Kargl < > > s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > > > >> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:29:23AM +0100, Lars Engels wrote: > >>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:52:49PM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 01:46:15AM -0400, Joe Nosay wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Allan Jude > >> wrote: > > > >> On 2014-03-29 01:22, Joe Nosay wrote: > >>> I have noticed that options VPS, VIMAGE, and MROUTING are not > >> standard > >> for > >>> the kernel with a base install. Is there any way that these can be > >> made a > >>> part of the normal kernel so that jail(s) would get the full > benefit > >>> without a kernel recompile? > >>> > >> > >> VIMAGE has some problems with PF. Martin Matu ska said at AsiaBSDCon > >> that he had a patch that solves the issue. > > > > Really, you say? That's good news. > > So, will those options soon be standard for a first time install? > > Certainly, hope not. I don't use any of options. > >>> > >>> So you use all the other devices and options of the GENERIC kernel? > >> > >> Of course, not. Not sure how you inferred such a thing. > >> > >> IMHO, GENERIC should contain only those devices and options > >> that are required to get FreeBSD booted on new hardware. > >> VIMAGE and MROUTING aren't needed, and can be configured by > >> the user after installation. As for VPS, AFAICT, there isn't > >> an option/device named VPS; at least 'find /sys/ -type f | xargs > >> grep VPS' wasn't too enlightening. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Steve > >> > > > > > > http://www.7he.at/freebsd/vps/announcements/ > > > > > > Booyah. It exists. > > ___ > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > > > > VPS only exists in a project branch, and is not nearly in a state to be > included in GENERIC > > And I don't see a compelling reason to have MROUTING in GENERIC either. > > -- > Allan Jude > > VIMAGE? ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: A proposal
> -Original Message- > From: Julian Elischer [mailto:jul...@freebsd.org] > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:41 PM > To: Steve Kargl; Joe Nosay > Cc: freebsd-current > Subject: Re: A proposal > > On 3/29/14, 4:52 PM, Steve Kargl wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 01:46:15AM -0400, Joe Nosay wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Allan Jude > wrote: > >> > >>> On 2014-03-29 01:22, Joe Nosay wrote: > >>>> I have noticed that options VPS, VIMAGE, and MROUTING are not > >>>> standard > >>> for > >>>> the kernel with a base install. Is there any way that these can be > >>>> made a part of the normal kernel so that jail(s) would get the full > >>>> benefit without a kernel recompile? > >>>> ___ > >>>> freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > >>> freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > >>> VIMAGE has some problems with PF. Martin Matu ska said at > AsiaBSDCon > >>> that he had a patch that solves the issue. > >> Really, you say? That's good news. > >> So, will those options soon be standard for a first time install? > > Certainly, hope not. I don't use any of options. > funnily, the only profiling speed differences we've seen with enabling > netgraph is speedups :-) especially with comparing many sessions on one > vnet with the same number of sessions on several vnets. > > Last time I tested it, putting several services on different vimage jails and > assigning them different interfaces actually ran faster than having the same > services on the same VM (machine). I think we all owe this one gentleman a great show of gratitude for his work on netgraph (initially @ whistle) -- Devin (smiles) _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: A proposal
On 3/29/14, 4:52 PM, Steve Kargl wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 01:46:15AM -0400, Joe Nosay wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Allan Jude wrote: On 2014-03-29 01:22, Joe Nosay wrote: I have noticed that options VPS, VIMAGE, and MROUTING are not standard for the kernel with a base install. Is there any way that these can be made a part of the normal kernel so that jail(s) would get the full benefit without a kernel recompile? ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" VIMAGE has some problems with PF. Martin Matu ska said at AsiaBSDCon that he had a patch that solves the issue. Really, you say? That's good news. So, will those options soon be standard for a first time install? Certainly, hope not. I don't use any of options. funnily, the only profiling speed differences we've seen with enabling netgraph is speedups :-) especially with comparing many sessions on one vnet with the same number of sessions on several vnets. Last time I tested it, putting several services on different vimage jails and assigning them different interfaces actually ran faster than having the same services on the same VM (machine). ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: A proposal
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 06:11:10AM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:29:23AM +0100, Lars Engels wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:52:49PM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 01:46:15AM -0400, Joe Nosay wrote: > >>> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Allan Jude wrote: > >>> > On 2014-03-29 01:22, Joe Nosay wrote: > > I have noticed that options VPS, VIMAGE, and MROUTING are not standard > for > > the kernel with a base install. Is there any way that these can be made > > a > > part of the normal kernel so that jail(s) would get the full benefit > > without a kernel recompile? > > > > VIMAGE has some problems with PF. Martin Matu ska said at AsiaBSDCon > that he had a patch that solves the issue. > >>> > >>> Really, you say? That's good news. > >>> So, will those options soon be standard for a first time install? > >> > >> Certainly, hope not. I don't use any of options. > > > > So you use all the other devices and options of the GENERIC kernel? > > Of course, not. Not sure how you inferred such a thing. > > IMHO, GENERIC should contain only those devices and options > that are required to get FreeBSD booted on new hardware. > VIMAGE and MROUTING aren't needed, and can be configured by > the user after installation. As for VPS, AFAICT, there isn't > an option/device named VPS; at least 'find /sys/ -type f | xargs > grep VPS' wasn't too enlightening. Until freebsd-update deals with custom kernel configurations, people will want all the possible non-conflicting flags enabled in GENERIC, or the options made available as runtime loadable kernel modules. It's not an unreasonable request. Regards, Gary ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: A proposal
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 06:11:10AM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:29:23AM +0100, Lars Engels wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:52:49PM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 01:46:15AM -0400, Joe Nosay wrote: > >>> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Allan Jude wrote: > >>> > On 2014-03-29 01:22, Joe Nosay wrote: > > I have noticed that options VPS, VIMAGE, and MROUTING are not standard > for > > the kernel with a base install. Is there any way that these can be made > > a > > part of the normal kernel so that jail(s) would get the full benefit > > without a kernel recompile? > > > > VIMAGE has some problems with PF. Martin Matu ska said at AsiaBSDCon > that he had a patch that solves the issue. > >>> > >>> Really, you say? That's good news. > >>> So, will those options soon be standard for a first time install? > >> > >> Certainly, hope not. I don't use any of options. > > > > So you use all the other devices and options of the GENERIC kernel? > > Of course, not. Not sure how you inferred such a thing. > > IMHO, GENERIC should contain only those devices and options > that are required to get FreeBSD booted on new hardware. > VIMAGE and MROUTING aren't needed, and can be configured by > the user after installation. As for VPS, AFAICT, there isn't > an option/device named VPS; at least 'find /sys/ -type f | xargs > grep VPS' wasn't too enlightening. IMHO common use scenarios should be included in GENERIC if they're stable and mature. E.g. I don't know why IPSEC still isn't in GENERIC. pgpbdbYRYczJw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A proposal
On 2014-03-29 09:21, Joe Nosay wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Steve Kargl < > s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:29:23AM +0100, Lars Engels wrote: >>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:52:49PM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 01:46:15AM -0400, Joe Nosay wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Allan Jude >> wrote: > >> On 2014-03-29 01:22, Joe Nosay wrote: >>> I have noticed that options VPS, VIMAGE, and MROUTING are not >> standard >> for >>> the kernel with a base install. Is there any way that these can be >> made a >>> part of the normal kernel so that jail(s) would get the full benefit >>> without a kernel recompile? >>> >> >> VIMAGE has some problems with PF. Martin Matu ska said at AsiaBSDCon >> that he had a patch that solves the issue. > > Really, you say? That's good news. > So, will those options soon be standard for a first time install? Certainly, hope not. I don't use any of options. >>> >>> So you use all the other devices and options of the GENERIC kernel? >> >> Of course, not. Not sure how you inferred such a thing. >> >> IMHO, GENERIC should contain only those devices and options >> that are required to get FreeBSD booted on new hardware. >> VIMAGE and MROUTING aren't needed, and can be configured by >> the user after installation. As for VPS, AFAICT, there isn't >> an option/device named VPS; at least 'find /sys/ -type f | xargs >> grep VPS' wasn't too enlightening. >> >> >> -- >> Steve >> > > > http://www.7he.at/freebsd/vps/announcements/ > > > Booyah. It exists. > ___ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > VPS only exists in a project branch, and is not nearly in a state to be included in GENERIC And I don't see a compelling reason to have MROUTING in GENERIC either. -- Allan Jude signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: A proposal
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Steve Kargl < s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:29:23AM +0100, Lars Engels wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:52:49PM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 01:46:15AM -0400, Joe Nosay wrote: > >>> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Allan Jude > wrote: > >>> > On 2014-03-29 01:22, Joe Nosay wrote: > > I have noticed that options VPS, VIMAGE, and MROUTING are not > standard > for > > the kernel with a base install. Is there any way that these can be > made a > > part of the normal kernel so that jail(s) would get the full benefit > > without a kernel recompile? > > > > VIMAGE has some problems with PF. Martin Matu ska said at AsiaBSDCon > that he had a patch that solves the issue. > >>> > >>> Really, you say? That's good news. > >>> So, will those options soon be standard for a first time install? > >> > >> Certainly, hope not. I don't use any of options. > > > > So you use all the other devices and options of the GENERIC kernel? > > Of course, not. Not sure how you inferred such a thing. > > IMHO, GENERIC should contain only those devices and options > that are required to get FreeBSD booted on new hardware. > VIMAGE and MROUTING aren't needed, and can be configured by > the user after installation. As for VPS, AFAICT, there isn't > an option/device named VPS; at least 'find /sys/ -type f | xargs > grep VPS' wasn't too enlightening. > > > -- > Steve > http://www.7he.at/freebsd/vps/announcements/ Booyah. It exists. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: A proposal
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:29:23AM +0100, Lars Engels wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:52:49PM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 01:46:15AM -0400, Joe Nosay wrote: >>> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Allan Jude wrote: >>> On 2014-03-29 01:22, Joe Nosay wrote: > I have noticed that options VPS, VIMAGE, and MROUTING are not standard for > the kernel with a base install. Is there any way that these can be made a > part of the normal kernel so that jail(s) would get the full benefit > without a kernel recompile? > VIMAGE has some problems with PF. Martin Matu ska said at AsiaBSDCon that he had a patch that solves the issue. >>> >>> Really, you say? That's good news. >>> So, will those options soon be standard for a first time install? >> >> Certainly, hope not. I don't use any of options. > > So you use all the other devices and options of the GENERIC kernel? Of course, not. Not sure how you inferred such a thing. IMHO, GENERIC should contain only those devices and options that are required to get FreeBSD booted on new hardware. VIMAGE and MROUTING aren't needed, and can be configured by the user after installation. As for VPS, AFAICT, there isn't an option/device named VPS; at least 'find /sys/ -type f | xargs grep VPS' wasn't too enlightening. -- Steve ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: A proposal
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 5:29 AM, Lars Engels wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:52:49PM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 01:46:15AM -0400, Joe Nosay wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Allan Jude > wrote: > > > > > > > On 2014-03-29 01:22, Joe Nosay wrote: > > > > > I have noticed that options VPS, VIMAGE, and MROUTING are not > standard > > > > for > > > > > the kernel with a base install. Is there any way that these can be > made a > > > > > part of the normal kernel so that jail(s) would get the full > benefit > > > > > without a kernel recompile? > > > > > ___ > > > > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > > > freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > > > > > > VIMAGE has some problems with PF. Martin Matu ska said at AsiaBSDCon > > > > that he had a patch that solves the issue. > > > > > > Really, you say? That's good news. > > > So, will those options soon be standard for a first time install? > > > > Certainly, hope not. I don't use any of options. > > So you use all the other devices and options of the GENERIC kernel? > I also want to know where this patch is. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: A proposal
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:52:49PM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 01:46:15AM -0400, Joe Nosay wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Allan Jude wrote: > > > > > On 2014-03-29 01:22, Joe Nosay wrote: > > > > I have noticed that options VPS, VIMAGE, and MROUTING are not standard > > > for > > > > the kernel with a base install. Is there any way that these can be made > > > > a > > > > part of the normal kernel so that jail(s) would get the full benefit > > > > without a kernel recompile? > > > > ___ > > > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > > freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > > > VIMAGE has some problems with PF. Martin Matu ska said at AsiaBSDCon > > > that he had a patch that solves the issue. > > > > Really, you say? That's good news. > > So, will those options soon be standard for a first time install? > > Certainly, hope not. I don't use any of options. So you use all the other devices and options of the GENERIC kernel? pgpDFWhHRjTdf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A proposal
Hi, Allan At Sat, 29 Mar 2014 01:43:11 -0400, Allan Jude wrote: > > On 2014-03-29 01:22, Joe Nosay wrote: > > I have noticed that options VPS, VIMAGE, and MROUTING are not standard for > > the kernel with a base install. Is there any way that these can be made a > > part of the normal kernel so that jail(s) would get the full benefit > > without a kernel recompile? > > ___ > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > > > > VIMAGE has some problems with PF. Martin Matuska said at AsiaBSDCon > that he had a patch that solves the issue. Oh really? Is there any site above patch? The patch is not [1] is it? # I'm too plagued with rebooting VIMAGE+pf server every midnight ;-( [1] http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/160496 > > -- > Allan Jude > --- Kazuhiko Kiriyama k...@openedu.org ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: A proposal
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 01:46:15AM -0400, Joe Nosay wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Allan Jude wrote: > > > On 2014-03-29 01:22, Joe Nosay wrote: > > > I have noticed that options VPS, VIMAGE, and MROUTING are not standard > > for > > > the kernel with a base install. Is there any way that these can be made a > > > part of the normal kernel so that jail(s) would get the full benefit > > > without a kernel recompile? > > > ___ > > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > VIMAGE has some problems with PF. Martin Matu ska said at AsiaBSDCon > > that he had a patch that solves the issue. > > Really, you say? That's good news. > So, will those options soon be standard for a first time install? Certainly, hope not. I don't use any of options. -- Steve ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: A proposal
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Allan Jude wrote: > On 2014-03-29 01:22, Joe Nosay wrote: > > I have noticed that options VPS, VIMAGE, and MROUTING are not standard > for > > the kernel with a base install. Is there any way that these can be made a > > part of the normal kernel so that jail(s) would get the full benefit > > without a kernel recompile? > > ___ > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > > > > VIMAGE has some problems with PF. Martin Matu ska said at AsiaBSDCon > that he had a patch that solves the issue. > > -- > Allan Jude > > Really, you say? That's good news. So, will those options soon be standard for a first time install? ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: A proposal
On 2014-03-29 01:22, Joe Nosay wrote: > I have noticed that options VPS, VIMAGE, and MROUTING are not standard for > the kernel with a base install. Is there any way that these can be made a > part of the normal kernel so that jail(s) would get the full benefit > without a kernel recompile? > ___ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > VIMAGE has some problems with PF. Martin Matuska said at AsiaBSDCon that he had a patch that solves the issue. -- Allan Jude signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
