Re: Init Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) ) )

1999-12-16 Thread Daniel C. Sobral

David Scheidt wrote:
 
 What's wrong with run with system V runlevels?  Other than it's system V and
 everything AT^HUSL did is evil, of course.

They try to map graphs into a line.

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Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Daniel C. Sobral

"Rodney W. Grimes" wrote:
 
 Yea... been hearing that for 4 years... one of it's big short comings is
 that it needs a persistent backing store for this.  Sounds like this C
 program could fullfill one of the missing parts of devfs :-)

F persistent backing store. The daemon solution is perfectly fine.

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Re: Init Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) ) )

1999-12-15 Thread David Scheidt

On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dav
 id Scheidt writes:
 What's wrong with run with system V runlevels?  Other than it's system V and
 everything AT^HUSL did is evil, of course.   
 
 runlevels are a very oldfashioned way to think about things, I don't
 want to have one big button which is called "NETWORKING ON/OFF".

runlevels let you do more than just run gettys, control networking, and run
/sbin/rc?.d scripts.  We do.

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Re: Init Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Donn Miller

David Scheidt wrote:

 What's wrong with run with system V runlevels?  Other than it's system V and
 everything AT^HUSL did is evil, of course.

Well, the one danger is that we'd be slowly drifting away from
the classic BSD way of doing thigs.  Of course, the official BSD
is dead (right?).  But OTOH, we want to carry FreeBSD forward, so
if that means we have to incorporate some SysVisms, then so be
it.  After all, SysV borrowed some things from BSD.

The second question I have is, do we try to stay on par with what
Open/NetBSD are doing?  Should we stick together, synchronise our
efforts, and try to define what comprises "BSD"?  Or, do we let
the 3 BSDs diverge completely?

Well, if the 3 diverge too far (ex:  FreeBSD implements SysV
runlevels, OpenBSD does not or goes with an entirely different
system), them would it be fair to consider FreeBSD "BSD"?  The
advantage here is that FreeBSD would mature into it's own type of
UNIX with a BSD heritage.

- Donn


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Re: Init Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Mark Newton

On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 01:22:46AM -0500, Donn Miller wrote:

  runlevels, OpenBSD does not or goes with an entirely different
  system), them would it be fair to consider FreeBSD "BSD"?  The
  advantage here is that FreeBSD would mature into it's own type of
  UNIX with a BSD heritage.
 
Can we please not have this thread again?  Anyone who is interested
in following up on anything whatsoever to do with SysV runlevels 
should first familiarize themselves with the numerous problems they
have which have been hashed out on the lists several times over the
last 12 months (hint:  to to the mail archive search engine at 
www.freebsd.org and search for "runlevel").

- mark

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Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-14 Thread Brian Somers

[.]
 On a related subject: don't you think it's high time to end up this
 madness with MAKEDEV being a shell script, and reimplement it in C? Today,
[.]
*cough*DEVFS*cough*
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Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-14 Thread Rodney W. Grimes

 [.]
  On a related subject: don't you think it's high time to end up this
  madness with MAKEDEV being a shell script, and reimplement it in C? Today,
 [.]
 *cough*DEVFS*cough*

Yea... been hearing that for 4 years... one of it's big short comings is
that it needs a persistent backing store for this.  Sounds like this C
program could fullfill one of the missing parts of devfs :-)


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Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-14 Thread Mark Newton

On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 01:39:28AM +, Brian Somers wrote:

  [.]
   On a related subject: don't you think it's high time to end up this
   madness with MAKEDEV being a shell script, and reimplement it in C? Today,
  [.]
  *cough*DEVFS*cough*

Gesunteit.

   - mark

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Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-14 Thread Warner Losh

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian Somers writes:
: *cough*DEVFS*cough*

devfs*D*

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