Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Brian Feldman
On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote:

> This does not make any operational change except to get rid
> of the $conf_dir junk from rc.conf, which I originally put 
> in to try to bootstrap rc.diskless.
> 
> A much better way to do rc.diskless was suggested to me,
> which I'm going to implement.  It involves retargeting
> the /conf/ME softlink by mount_union'ing a small MFS 
> filesystem onto /conf.  Then one simply makes /etc/rc.conf.local
> a softlink to /conf/ME/rc.conf.local ( i.e. a sysop would do 
> that as an extra, we wouldn't distribute the base system 
> like that of course )
> 
> In anycase, I've committed a new rc.conf that gets rid
> of $conf_dir, FYI, and am about to commit a new rc.diskless and
> new examples that uses the mount_union idea for retargeting
> during a diskless boot that will be much more straightward and
> obvious.
> 

Hasn't mount_union been dead for ~forever (+/- a few years)?

>   -Matt
>   Matthew Dillon 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> rc_conf_files="/etc/rc.conf.site /etc/rc.conf.local"
> 
> ...
> 
> ##
> ### Allow local configuration override at the very end here ##
> ##
> #
> #
> 
> for i in ${rc_conf_files}; do
> if [ -f $i ]; then
> . $i
> fi
> done
> 
> 
> 
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Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Eivind Eklund
On Mon, Feb 08, 1999 at 08:14:55PM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote:
> This does not make any operational change except to get rid
> of the $conf_dir junk from rc.conf, which I originally put 
> in to try to bootstrap rc.diskless.
> 
> A much better way to do rc.diskless was suggested to me,
> which I'm going to implement.  It involves retargeting
> the /conf/ME softlink by mount_union'ing a small MFS 

Union mounts do not work, and I believe they are some distance from
working (unless you have better patches than I do, of course).

Eivind.

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Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said:

>> A much better way to do rc.diskless was suggested to me,
>> which I'm going to implement.  It involves retargeting
>> the /conf/ME softlink by mount_union'ing a small MFS 

> Union mounts do not work, and I believe they are some distance from
> working (unless you have better patches than I do, of course).

Last I checked, union mounts work just fine, thank you very much.
unionfs (which should have been called `translucentfs') is what
doesn't work.

-GAWollman

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Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Matthew Dillon

:>> the /conf/ME softlink by mount_union'ing a small MFS 
:
:> Union mounts do not work, and I believe they are some distance from
:> working (unless you have better patches than I do, of course).
:
:Last I checked, union mounts work just fine, thank you very much.
:unionfs (which should have been called `translucentfs') is what
:doesn't work.
:
:-GAWollman

union mounts are broken.  I must have panic'd my test box 50 times
trying to get them to work.

null mounts are also broken -- mmap()ing NFS based files through a null
mount doesn't work, amoung other things.

Fortunately I found another way using the less sophisticated
-o union type of mount ( verses the more sophisticated mount_union ).

-Matt
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Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Garrett Wollman
< said:

> union mounts are broken.  I must have panic'd my test box 50 times
> trying to get them to work.

> Fortunately I found another way using the less sophisticated
> -o union type of mount

That is a union mount.  Which is it -- broken or not?

-GAWollman

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Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Matthew Dillon  writes:
> union mounts are broken.  I must have panic'd my test box 50 times
> trying to get them to work.

Nonono. The union filesystem ('mount -t union') is broken. Union
mounts ('mount -o union') are not.

DES
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Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Matthew Dillon

:Matthew Dillon  writes:
:> union mounts are broken.  I must have panic'd my test box 50 times
:> trying to get them to work.
:
:Nonono. The union filesystem ('mount -t union') is broken. Union
:mounts ('mount -o union') are not.
:
:DES
:-- 
:Dag-Erling Smorgrav - d...@flood.ping.uio.no

Ack.  We're just confusing terminology.  We're both saying the same
thing.

-Matt
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Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Mikhail Teterin
> Fortunately I found another way using the less sophisticated
> -o union type of mount ( verses the more sophisticated mount_union ).

Well, there are problems here too. I had /var/mail mounted with -o union
from another host. My own, local, mailbox would get corrupted every once
in a while -- lots of \0, some other strings. 16K in size.

This is on 3.0-RELEASE, with NFSv3. The server is Solaris.

-mi

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Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread perlsta


On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Mikhail Teterin wrote:

> > Fortunately I found another way using the less sophisticated
> > -o union type of mount ( verses the more sophisticated mount_union ).
> 
> Well, there are problems here too. I had /var/mail mounted with -o union
> from another host. My own, local, mailbox would get corrupted every once
> in a while -- lots of \0, some other strings. 16K in size.
> 
> This is on 3.0-RELEASE, with NFSv3. The server is Solaris.

There were several NFS fixes put in after 3.0-RELEASE i do not know if
they are applicable to your situation though.

-Alfred


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Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> Well, there are problems here too. I had /var/mail mounted with -o union
:> from another host. My own, local, mailbox would get corrupted every once
:> in a while -- lots of \0, some other strings. 16K in size.
:> 
:> This is on 3.0-RELEASE, with NFSv3. The server is Solaris.
:
:There were several NFS fixes put in after 3.0-RELEASE i do not know if
:they are applicable to your situation though.
:
:-Alfred

The zero-corruption bug is fixed in both -stable and -current.

-Matt
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Re: cleanup of rc.conf ( -4.x )

1999-02-09 Thread Brian Feldman
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Garrett Wollman wrote:

> < said:
> 
> >> A much better way to do rc.diskless was suggested to me,
> >> which I'm going to implement.  It involves retargeting
> >> the /conf/ME softlink by mount_union'ing a small MFS 
* Note this.

> 
> > Union mounts do not work, and I believe they are some distance from
> > working (unless you have better patches than I do, of course).
> 
> Last I checked, union mounts work just fine, thank you very much.
> unionfs (which should have been called `translucentfs') is what
> doesn't work.

See above note and reference to mount_union(8).

> 
> -GAWollman
> 
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