Re: Userbase of -current
On Tue, 21 Aug 2001, Jonathan Chen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 08:27:21AM -1000, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > Or, simply unplug the harddrive from your laptop and plug it into another > > > machine to do the install. When I fubar'ed my laptop's fs not too long > > > ago, I hot-plugged my laptop harddrive into my desktop, issued an > > > "atacontrol reinit", and proceeded to merrily run sysinstall under a > > > chroot. Of course, this is by no means "the proper way", but it gets the > > > job done... > > > > This idea will work since I can always use the notebook hDD with > > the adapter to the desktop but what does the atacontrol reinit do exactly > > since couldn't I just do a fresh install and just move the drive? > > atacontrol allows for hot-swapping of ata devices. Don't worry about it if > you just plan on installing the laptop drive and turning on the computer. > It'll act like any other normal drive. Sounds pretty cool. Except the laptop in the desktop idea won't work as I have a PPPoE based DSL connection and my Windows desktop is the current LAN router which will be replaced by the FreeBSD machine. Cheers, Vince - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Vice President __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Userbase of -current
On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 08:27:21AM -1000, Vincent Poy wrote: > > Or, simply unplug the harddrive from your laptop and plug it into another > > machine to do the install. When I fubar'ed my laptop's fs not too long > > ago, I hot-plugged my laptop harddrive into my desktop, issued an > > "atacontrol reinit", and proceeded to merrily run sysinstall under a > > chroot. Of course, this is by no means "the proper way", but it gets the > > job done... > > This idea will work since I can always use the notebook hDD with > the adapter to the desktop but what does the atacontrol reinit do exactly > since couldn't I just do a fresh install and just move the drive? atacontrol allows for hot-swapping of ata devices. Don't worry about it if you just plan on installing the laptop drive and turning on the computer. It'll act like any other normal drive. -Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Userbase of -current
On Sun, 19 Aug 2001, Jonathan Chen wrote: > On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 05:56:19PM -1000, Vincent Poy wrote: > > Speaking about -current and laptops, I know Warner mentioned the > > 3COM 3CXFEM656C working in -current but what's the proper way to install > > FreeBSD on a IBM ThinkPad 770Z with that NIC/Modem combo since the floppy > > disks don't seem to show the card on a 6162001 snapshot from > > current.FreeBSD.ORG. I was thinking about making a CD of the snapshot but > > is there a bootable ISO available? > > The FreeBSD boot floppies do not support NEWCARD. I could perhaps look > into generating a newcard-kernel.flp once 4.4 is released and > current.freebsd.org is fixed, if people thing that it's a good idea. But > for now, you can either install FreeBSD from a DOS partition, or IIRC > current.jp.freebsd.org generates bootable ISO's of -current. But I can't > seem to connect right now so I can't check... Yep, I realize that when I tried installing it. Is there a way I can make a CD-ROM containing the directories for installing since if I'm using a HD that has 0% data on it and I want to use the entire HDD for FreeBSD, the DOS partition isn't really a option. > Or, simply unplug the harddrive from your laptop and plug it into another > machine to do the install. When I fubar'ed my laptop's fs not too long > ago, I hot-plugged my laptop harddrive into my desktop, issued an > "atacontrol reinit", and proceeded to merrily run sysinstall under a > chroot. Of course, this is by no means "the proper way", but it gets the > job done... This idea will work since I can always use the notebook hDD with the adapter to the desktop but what does the atacontrol reinit do exactly since couldn't I just do a fresh install and just move the drive? Cheers, Vince - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Vice President __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Userbase of -current
On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 05:56:19PM -1000, Vincent Poy wrote: > Speaking about -current and laptops, I know Warner mentioned the > 3COM 3CXFEM656C working in -current but what's the proper way to install > FreeBSD on a IBM ThinkPad 770Z with that NIC/Modem combo since the floppy > disks don't seem to show the card on a 6162001 snapshot from > current.FreeBSD.ORG. I was thinking about making a CD of the snapshot but > is there a bootable ISO available? The FreeBSD boot floppies do not support NEWCARD. I could perhaps look into generating a newcard-kernel.flp once 4.4 is released and current.freebsd.org is fixed, if people thing that it's a good idea. But for now, you can either install FreeBSD from a DOS partition, or IIRC current.jp.freebsd.org generates bootable ISO's of -current. But I can't seem to connect right now so I can't check... Or, simply unplug the harddrive from your laptop and plug it into another machine to do the install. When I fubar'ed my laptop's fs not too long ago, I hot-plugged my laptop harddrive into my desktop, issued an "atacontrol reinit", and proceeded to merrily run sysinstall under a chroot. Of course, this is by no means "the proper way", but it gets the job done... -Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Userbase of -current
On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > From: Tom Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Userbase of -current > Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:19:25PM +0200 > > > Add a data point for me using -current on my laptop in order to take > > advantage of cardbus support (thanks Warner!). > > We really should have those Slashdot people run a poll or sth :P > Count me too. 5 runs nicely on my aging Pentium box at home. > It's still very nice to be able to check the documentation parts of > the tree against the latest -CURRENT sources. Speaking about -current and laptops, I know Warner mentioned the 3COM 3CXFEM656C working in -current but what's the proper way to install FreeBSD on a IBM ThinkPad 770Z with that NIC/Modem combo since the floppy disks don't seem to show the card on a 6162001 snapshot from current.FreeBSD.ORG. I was thinking about making a CD of the snapshot but is there a bootable ISO available? Cheers, Vince - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Vice President __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Userbase of -current
From: Tom Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Userbase of -current Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:19:25PM +0200 > Add a data point for me using -current on my laptop in order to take > advantage of cardbus support (thanks Warner!). We really should have those Slashdot people run a poll or sth :P Count me too. 5 runs nicely on my aging Pentium box at home. It's still very nice to be able to check the documentation parts of the tree against the latest -CURRENT sources. -giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Userbase of -current
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 10:30:42AM -0500, some SMTP stream spewed forth: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 09:34:41PM -0400, a little birdie told me > that Garance A Drosihn remarked > > At 11:18 PM -0700 7/17/01, Peter Wemm wrote: > > >If I had to guess, I'd put the total [genuine] -current userbase > > >at between 20 and 50 people. And many of those intentionally lag > > >by a few weeks to a month or two. I have a strong feeling that the -CURRENT userbase is quite a bit larger than that, but I have nothing conclusive. > > At the kernel-confab at usenix, I heard some people talking about > > how "current wasn't really as bad as people assume it is". I must > > admit I wonder how much current is actively used. I know I try > > to build a new up-to-date current every two or three weeks, but I > > don't do much more on it than test a few changes. I am certainly > > not "stress-testing" it. Almost all of my real day-to-day work is > > done on machines which are tracking -stable. > > FWIW, without extraordinary reason, I don't run 'production' machines on > -CURRENT (I think the last time I did so was when I ran a news server on > 3.0-CURRENT). However, my workstation runs -CURRENT, and my dialup router > does as well (mainly to make it easier to update), my laptop... come to > think of it, almost all my of personal machines run -CURRENT, except for > one that runs 2.1-STABLE (386SX. 4 MB RAM. 80 meg disk. Last benchmark: > 13 days for a buildworld. Don't think I'll update it any time soon). I'll second this. I do all of my daily work on -CURRENT workstations, and I have had no siginificant problems since I started nearly two years ago. Of course, there is always the slim chance of some rogue (ah hem, un-thoroughly-tested) commit destroying something, but I have faith in the developer community. All my personal boxen (three, at the moment) run -CURRENT. I don't know if I would call my general use "stress testing", but touch a large portion of the functionality on a daily (sometimes the days merge...) basis. > -- > Matthew Fuller (MF4839) |[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Unix Systems Administrator |[EMAIL PROTECTED] Daniel M. Kurry -- What, no one sings along with Ricky Martin anymore? My kid sister does (but then, she prefers pico to vi ...) -- Suresh Ramasubramanian, alt.sysadmin.recovery To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Userbase of -current
Add a data point for me using -current on my laptop in order to take advantage of cardbus support (thanks Warner!). I update about once every two months, and so far my systems has been running flawlessly. All our other FreeBSD systems (~60) are running various incarnations of -stable... regards, tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Warner Losh wrote: > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vincent Poy >writes: > : Somehow I always thought there were more than 50 people who are > : "really running" current. We do stress test it though and it had > : performed flawlessly over the past 8 years. Question though, does anyone > : happen to know what the largest maxusers variable is that one can define > : in the kernel config file? We have it at 512 but what's the highest > : number people have used reliably? Thanks. > > I've had at least 50 different people talk to me about NEWCARD, which > is only available in current... > > Warner > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- Thomas Fischer Sr Manager: Systems & Applications Support Paris &equant - Global Service Operations - Customer Operations Support Tour Mattei - 207, rue de Bercy - 75012 Paris France Tel: +33 1 53 44 08 03[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +33 1 53 44 08 46[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Userbase of -current
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vincent Poy >writes: > : Somehow I always thought there were more than 50 people who are > : "really running" current. We do stress test it though and it had > : performed flawlessly over the past 8 years. Question though, does anyone > : happen to know what the largest maxusers variable is that one can define > : in the kernel config file? We have it at 512 but what's the highest > : number people have used reliably? Thanks. > > I've had at least 50 different people talk to me about NEWCARD, which > is only available in current... Sorry, they were all me. I figured I'd present a stronger case that way !!! > Warner -- Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.freebsd-services.com/ Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Userbase of -current
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vincent Poy writes: : Somehow I always thought there were more than 50 people who are : "really running" current. We do stress test it though and it had : performed flawlessly over the past 8 years. Question though, does anyone : happen to know what the largest maxusers variable is that one can define : in the kernel config file? We have it at 512 but what's the highest : number people have used reliably? Thanks. I've had at least 50 different people talk to me about NEWCARD, which is only available in current... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Userbase of -current
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 09:34:41PM -0400, a little birdie told me that Garance A Drosihn remarked > At 11:18 PM -0700 7/17/01, Peter Wemm wrote: > >If I had to guess, I'd put the total [genuine] -current userbase > >at between 20 and 50 people. And many of those intentionally lag > >by a few weeks to a month or two. > > At the kernel-confab at usenix, I heard some people talking about > how "current wasn't really as bad as people assume it is". I must > admit I wonder how much current is actively used. I know I try > to build a new up-to-date current every two or three weeks, but I > don't do much more on it than test a few changes. I am certainly > not "stress-testing" it. Almost all of my real day-to-day work is > done on machines which are tracking -stable. FWIW, without extraordinary reason, I don't run 'production' machines on -CURRENT (I think the last time I did so was when I ran a news server on 3.0-CURRENT). However, my workstation runs -CURRENT, and my dialup router does as well (mainly to make it easier to update), my laptop... come to think of it, almost all my of personal machines run -CURRENT, except for one that runs 2.1-STABLE (386SX. 4 MB RAM. 80 meg disk. Last benchmark: 13 days for a buildworld. Don't think I'll update it any time soon). -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) |[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unix Systems Administrator |[EMAIL PROTECTED] Specializing in FreeBSD |http://www.over-yonder.net/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Userbase of -current
On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 11:18 PM -0700 7/17/01, Peter Wemm wrote: > >If I had to guess, I'd put the total [genuine] -current userbase > >at between 20 and 50 people. And many of those intentionally lag > >by a few weeks to a month or two. > > At the kernel-confab at usenix, I heard some people talking about > how "current wasn't really as bad as people assume it is". I must > admit I wonder how much current is actively used. I know I try > to build a new up-to-date current every two or three weeks, but I > don't do much more on it than test a few changes. I am certainly > not "stress-testing" it. Almost all of my real day-to-day work is > done on machines which are tracking -stable. > > I have no profound comment to follow that up with, other than I'm > surprised that someone would think there are only 50 people who > are "really running" current. I'm going to ask around a bit more. Somehow I always thought there were more than 50 people who are "really running" current. We do stress test it though and it had performed flawlessly over the past 8 years. Question though, does anyone happen to know what the largest maxusers variable is that one can define in the kernel config file? We have it at 512 but what's the highest number people have used reliably? Thanks. Cheers, Vince - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Vice President __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
Re: Userbase of -current
At 11:18 PM -0700 7/17/01, Peter Wemm wrote: >If I had to guess, I'd put the total [genuine] -current userbase >at between 20 and 50 people. And many of those intentionally lag >by a few weeks to a month or two. At the kernel-confab at usenix, I heard some people talking about how "current wasn't really as bad as people assume it is". I must admit I wonder how much current is actively used. I know I try to build a new up-to-date current every two or three weeks, but I don't do much more on it than test a few changes. I am certainly not "stress-testing" it. Almost all of my real day-to-day work is done on machines which are tracking -stable. I have no profound comment to follow that up with, other than I'm surprised that someone would think there are only 50 people who are "really running" current. I'm going to ask around a bit more. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Programmer or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rensselaer Polytechnic Instituteor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
