Re: When will we can use ZFS v24?
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com wrote: In the last episode (Apr 08), Garrett Cooper said: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: On Apr 8, 2010, at 2:18 PM, krad wrote: [ ... ] is that even possible with CDDL? im not a lawyer but it wouldn't surprise me I'm not a lawyer either, but I was active in reviewing and suggesting changes to CDDL submission for OSI approval back in 2004. A copyright owner always has the ability to relicense their code under other terms, but existing code is guaranteed to be available, redistributable to others, etc under the terms of the current version of CDDL; in particular see: If Oracle chooses, they might make future changes to the ZFS source code under different or more restrictive licensing terms, but what's available now is always going to be available. The same of basic principle applies to BDB; originally it was BSD licensed in 1.x under FreeBSD, then GPLed in 2.x+ (IIRC), then left to pasture in 4.x after Oracle acquired Sleepycat DB. MySQL is GPLv2 today... who knows what it might be tomorrow... BDB was never GPL'ed; it was and still is BSD-licensed. http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/berkeley-db/htdocs/oslicense.html IANAL, but that is not a BSD license. It is the Sleepycat license, which is compatible with GPL. The giveaway is in section 3: * 3. Redistributions in any form must be accompanied by information on *how to obtain complete source code for the DB software and any *accompanying software that uses the DB software. The '.. any accompanying software' clause makes it quite like the GPL. Cheers Tom ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: When will we can use ZFS v24?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Tom Evans tevans...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com wrote: In the last episode (Apr 08), Garrett Cooper said: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: On Apr 8, 2010, at 2:18 PM, krad wrote: [ ... ] is that even possible with CDDL? im not a lawyer but it wouldn't surprise me I'm not a lawyer either, but I was active in reviewing and suggesting changes to CDDL submission for OSI approval back in 2004. A copyright owner always has the ability to relicense their code under other terms, but existing code is guaranteed to be available, redistributable to others, etc under the terms of the current version of CDDL; in particular see: If Oracle chooses, they might make future changes to the ZFS source code under different or more restrictive licensing terms, but what's available now is always going to be available. The same of basic principle applies to BDB; originally it was BSD licensed in 1.x under FreeBSD, then GPLed in 2.x+ (IIRC), then left to pasture in 4.x after Oracle acquired Sleepycat DB. MySQL is GPLv2 today... who knows what it might be tomorrow... BDB was never GPL'ed; it was and still is BSD-licensed. http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/berkeley-db/htdocs/oslicense.html IANAL, but that is not a BSD license. It is the Sleepycat license, which is compatible with GPL. The giveaway is in section 3: * 3. Redistributions in any form must be accompanied by information on * how to obtain complete source code for the DB software and any * accompanying software that uses the DB software. The '.. any accompanying software' clause makes it quite like the GPL. Dan and Tom, You both are correct, according to ye great wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleepycat_License . Thanks for the correction, -Garrett ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: When will we can use ZFS v24?
In the last episode (Apr 08), Garrett Cooper said: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: On Apr 8, 2010, at 2:18 PM, krad wrote: [ ... ] is that even possible with CDDL? im not a lawyer but it wouldn't surprise me I'm not a lawyer either, but I was active in reviewing and suggesting changes to CDDL submission for OSI approval back in 2004. A copyright owner always has the ability to relicense their code under other terms, but existing code is guaranteed to be available, redistributable to others, etc under the terms of the current version of CDDL; in particular see: If Oracle chooses, they might make future changes to the ZFS source code under different or more restrictive licensing terms, but what's available now is always going to be available. The same of basic principle applies to BDB; originally it was BSD licensed in 1.x under FreeBSD, then GPLed in 2.x+ (IIRC), then left to pasture in 4.x after Oracle acquired Sleepycat DB. MySQL is GPLv2 today... who knows what it might be tomorrow... BDB was never GPL'ed; it was and still is BSD-licensed. http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/berkeley-db/htdocs/oslicense.html -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: When will we can use ZFS v24?
On 7 April 2010 18:33, Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com wrote: In the last episode (Apr 07), krad said: On 7 April 2010 05:38, Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:35 PM, lhmwzy lhm...@gmail.com wrote: What's your mean?? See the archives for the freebsd-fs mailing list. There are two separate groups working on getting ZFSv22 added to FreeBSD 9-CURRENT. And there's work ongoing to get ZFSv15 added to FreeBSD 8-STABLE. IOW, just be patient. Good things will come to those who wait. ;) If you re hankering for dedup you better have a big box as its a complete resource hog. From what we have seen on our x4500 filers we need about 100gig of ram or l2arc ssd to hold the all the metadata for the 34TB of storage, otherwise the system grinds to a halt. I wish they had an option for opportunistic dedup, where if a block is already in ARC it can be a dedupe candidate, but it won't look it up in the DDT if it isn't already in memory. That catches the simple cp -R dir1 dir2 cases without blowing up the ARC on DDT blocks that 99.% of the time don't match. -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ZFS is still currently in heavy development so it might happen. Having siad that it looks like oracle have totally buggered it up for everyone with their retroactive licenses. I hope the CDL was tight enough that stuff wont have to get pulled from freebsd ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: When will we can use ZFS v24?
ZFS is still currently in heavy development so it might happen. Having siad that it looks like oracle have totally buggered it up for everyone with their retroactive licenses. I hope the CDL was tight enough that stuff wont have to get pulled from freebsd is that even possible with CDDL? Sam Fourman Jr. Fourman Networks ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: When will we can use ZFS v24?
On 8 April 2010 17:47, Sam Fourman Jr. sfour...@gmail.com wrote: ZFS is still currently in heavy development so it might happen. Having siad that it looks like oracle have totally buggered it up for everyone with their retroactive licenses. I hope the CDL was tight enough that stuff wont have to get pulled from freebsd is that even possible with CDDL? Sam Fourman Jr. Fourman Networks im not a lawyer but it wouldn't surprise me ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: When will we can use ZFS v24?
Hi-- On Apr 8, 2010, at 2:18 PM, krad wrote: [ ... ] is that even possible with CDDL? im not a lawyer but it wouldn't surprise me I'm not a lawyer either, but I was active in reviewing and suggesting changes to CDDL submission for OSI approval back in 2004. A copyright owner always has the ability to relicense their code under other terms, but existing code is guaranteed to be available, redistributable to others, etc under the terms of the current version of CDDL; in particular see: 4. Versions of the License. • 4.1. New Versions. Sun Microsystems, Inc. is the initial license steward and may publish revised and/or new versions of this License from time to time. Each version will be given a distinguishing version number. Except as provided in Section 4.3, no one other than the license steward has the right to modify this License. • 4.2. Effect of New Versions. You may always continue to use, distribute or otherwise make the Covered Software available under the terms of the version of the License under which You originally received the Covered Software. If the Initial Developer includes a notice in the Original Software prohibiting it from being distributed or otherwise made available under any subsequent version of the License, You must distribute and make the Covered Software available under the terms of the version of the License under which You originally received the Covered Software. Otherwise, You may also choose to use, distribute or otherwise make the Covered Software available under the terms of any subsequent version of the License published by the license steward. If Oracle chooses, they might make future changes to the ZFS source code under different or more restrictive licensing terms, but what's available now is always going to be available. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: When will we can use ZFS v24?
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: Hi-- On Apr 8, 2010, at 2:18 PM, krad wrote: [ ... ] is that even possible with CDDL? im not a lawyer but it wouldn't surprise me I'm not a lawyer either, but I was active in reviewing and suggesting changes to CDDL submission for OSI approval back in 2004. A copyright owner always has the ability to relicense their code under other terms, but existing code is guaranteed to be available, redistributable to others, etc under the terms of the current version of CDDL; in particular see: 4. Versions of the License. • 4.1. New Versions. Sun Microsystems, Inc. is the initial license steward and may publish revised and/or new versions of this License from time to time. Each version will be given a distinguishing version number. Except as provided in Section 4.3, no one other than the license steward has the right to modify this License. • 4.2. Effect of New Versions. You may always continue to use, distribute or otherwise make the Covered Software available under the terms of the version of the License under which You originally received the Covered Software. If the Initial Developer includes a notice in the Original Software prohibiting it from being distributed or otherwise made available under any subsequent version of the License, You must distribute and make the Covered Software available under the terms of the version of the License under which You originally received the Covered Software. Otherwise, You may also choose to use, distribute or otherwise make the Covered Software available under the terms of any subsequent version of the License published by the license steward. If Oracle chooses, they might make future changes to the ZFS source code under different or more restrictive licensing terms, but what's available now is always going to be available. The same of basic principle applies to BDB; originally it was BSD licensed in 1.x under FreeBSD, then GPLed in 2.x+ (IIRC), then left to pasture in 4.x after Oracle acquired Sleepycat DB. MySQL is GPLv2 today... who knows what it might be tomorrow... Cheers, -Garrett ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: When will we can use ZFS v24?
On 7 April 2010 05:38, Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:35 PM, lhmwzy lhm...@gmail.com wrote: What's your mean?? See the archives for the freebsd-fs mailing list. There are two separate groups working on getting ZFSv22 added to FreeBSD 9-CURRENT. And there's work ongoing to get ZFSv15 added to FreeBSD 8-STABLE. IOW, just be patient. Good things will come to those who wait. ;) -- Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org If you re hankering for dedup you better have a big box as its a complete resource hog. From what we have seen on our x4500 filers we need about 100gig of ram or l2arc ssd to hold the all the metadata for the 34TB of storage, otherwise the system grinds to a halt. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: When will we can use ZFS v24?
In the last episode (Apr 07), krad said: On 7 April 2010 05:38, Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:35 PM, lhmwzy lhm...@gmail.com wrote: What's your mean?? See the archives for the freebsd-fs mailing list. There are two separate groups working on getting ZFSv22 added to FreeBSD 9-CURRENT. And there's work ongoing to get ZFSv15 added to FreeBSD 8-STABLE. IOW, just be patient. Good things will come to those who wait. ;) If you re hankering for dedup you better have a big box as its a complete resource hog. From what we have seen on our x4500 filers we need about 100gig of ram or l2arc ssd to hold the all the metadata for the 34TB of storage, otherwise the system grinds to a halt. I wish they had an option for opportunistic dedup, where if a block is already in ARC it can be a dedupe candidate, but it won't look it up in the DDT if it isn't already in memory. That catches the simple cp -R dir1 dir2 cases without blowing up the ARC on DDT blocks that 99.% of the time don't match. -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
When will we can use ZFS v24?
I found the zfs on FreeBSD is still V13 When will we can use ZFS v24? ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: When will we can use ZFS v24?
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:26 PM, lhmwzy lhm...@gmail.com wrote: I found the zfs on FreeBSD is still V13 When will we can use ZFS v24? I believe that patches for ZFS v22 is being worked on atm. Sam Fourman Jr. Fourman Networks ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: When will we can use ZFS v24?
What's your mean?? 2010/4/7 Sam Fourman Jr. sfour...@gmail.com: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:26 PM, lhmwzy lhm...@gmail.com wrote: I found the zfs on FreeBSD is still V13 When will we can use ZFS v24? I believe that patches for ZFS v22 is being worked on atm. Sam Fourman Jr. Fourman Networks ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: When will we can use ZFS v24?
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:35 PM, lhmwzy lhm...@gmail.com wrote: What's your mean?? See the archives for the freebsd-fs mailing list. There are two separate groups working on getting ZFSv22 added to FreeBSD 9-CURRENT. And there's work ongoing to get ZFSv15 added to FreeBSD 8-STABLE. IOW, just be patient. Good things will come to those who wait. ;) -- Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
