Re: ZFS will gone,FreeBSD will import btrfs?
Hi, On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:47:00AM -0700, Xin LI wrote: It's not gone since Oracle can not withdraw code that is already licensed under CDDL. They _may_ choose not to release anything new but we already have a newer zfs version that have basic functionality usable in p4. So all we need to direct some of the money we already spend for supporting developers and certain developments to core ZFS developers no longer employed by Sun/Oracle and that way make FreeBSD the primary ZFS development platform for the future. If you have the key developers, the community will follow. Before someone starts argueing... I know, it's not that easy and I don't have a clue how one would do that. This is most probably more like a crazy idea than a plan that could actually work :-/ - Oliver -- | Oliver Brandmueller http://sysadm.in/ o...@sysadm.in | |Ich bin das Internet. Sowahr ich Gott helfe. | pgpyMYQpaY2XO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ZFS will gone,FreeBSD will import btrfs?
So all we need to direct some of the money we already spend for supporting developers and certain developments to core ZFS developers no longer employed by Sun/Oracle and that way make FreeBSD the primary ZFS development platform for the future. If you have the key developers, the community will follow. I'd argue that we'll need pjd@ more than ever. I don't think that ex-OpenSolaris contributors are going to jump to FreeBSD. There's project Illumos which is essentially an OpenSolaris fork minus binary-only bits. My guess is that it's got a decent chance to become a viable OpenSolaris replacement. Interestingly enough, Illumos plans to import FreeBSD drivers (and some utils) to replace closed-source ones that used to come from Solaris. --Artem On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Oliver Brandmueller o...@e-gitt.net wrote: Hi, On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:47:00AM -0700, Xin LI wrote: It's not gone since Oracle can not withdraw code that is already licensed under CDDL. They _may_ choose not to release anything new but we already have a newer zfs version that have basic functionality usable in p4. So all we need to direct some of the money we already spend for supporting developers and certain developments to core ZFS developers no longer employed by Sun/Oracle and that way make FreeBSD the primary ZFS development platform for the future. If you have the key developers, the community will follow. Before someone starts argueing... I know, it's not that easy and I don't have a clue how one would do that. This is most probably more like a crazy idea than a plan that could actually work :-/ - Oliver -- | Oliver Brandmueller http://sysadm.in/ o...@sysadm.in | | Ich bin das Internet. Sowahr ich Gott helfe. | ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS will gone,FreeBSD will import btrfs?
Thanks for your reply. 2010/8/17 Mark Linimon lini...@lonesome.com: On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:21:07PM +0800, lhmwzy wrote: opensolaris is gone It appears there will be a fork, but that's not particularly crucial to FreeBSD. ZFS also gone. We're not going to drop ZFS because Oracle's plans are unclear. It remains to be seen how much other community support there is behind ZFS. Will FreeBSD import btrfs or other similar file system? From my observation, it takes about 2 years from the initial work on a new filesystem until it's relatively stable, so I don't know why we would suddenly decide to go that direction. mcl ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS will gone,FreeBSD will import btrfs?
2010/8/17 Mark Linimon lini...@lonesome.com: On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:21:07PM +0800, lhmwzy wrote: opensolaris is gone It appears there will be a fork, but that's not particularly crucial to FreeBSD. ZFS also gone. OpenSolaris is gone, Oracle won't make any OpenSolaris release but they're still working on Solaris (and maybe ZFS). But did they close the sources too ? I mean, they have a VCS, can we still access it and download the ZFS source files ? Did they also relicense them ? As for btrfs, don't forget it's GPL, and still not production-ready. ZFS has a proven reliability, if Oracle drops it because they have btrfs, I'll be very angry... We're not going to drop ZFS because Oracle's plans are unclear. It remains to be seen how much other community support there is behind ZFS. Will FreeBSD import btrfs or other similar file system? From my observation, it takes about 2 years from the initial work on a new filesystem until it's relatively stable, so I don't know why we would suddenly decide to go that direction. mcl ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Olivier Smedts _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) e-mail: oliv...@gid0.org - against HTML email vCards X www: http://www.gid0.org - against proprietary attachments / \ Il y a seulement 10 sortes de gens dans le monde : ceux qui comprennent le binaire, et ceux qui ne le comprennent pas. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS will gone,FreeBSD will import btrfs?
2010/8/17 Artem Belevich fbsdl...@src.cx: But did they close the sources too ? I mean, they have a VCS, can we still access it and download the ZFS source files ? If I understand Oracle's announcement correctly, sources would still be available. The change is that they will stop publishing them near-real-time and would release them after corresponding features appear in official Solaris release. Did they also relicense them ? Quote: We will not remove the CDDL from any files in Solaris to which it already applies, and new source code files that are created will follow the current policy regarding applying the CDDL (simply, that usr/src files will have the CDDL, and the very small minority of files in usr/closed might not have it) The way I read it ZFS will still be available under CDDL. Great. That would mean : no change for ZFS in FreeBSD. If Oracle implements the long-awaited block pointer rewrite feature, we'll be able to import it :) I hope they will continue working on it, even if they have btrfs... --Artem -- Olivier Smedts _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) e-mail: oliv...@gid0.org - against HTML email vCards X www: http://www.gid0.org - against proprietary attachments / \ Il y a seulement 10 sortes de gens dans le monde : ceux qui comprennent le binaire, et ceux qui ne le comprennent pas. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS will gone,FreeBSD will import btrfs?
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Olivier Smedts oliv...@gid0.org wrote: 2010/8/17 Mark Linimon lini...@lonesome.com: On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:21:07PM +0800, lhmwzy wrote: opensolaris is gone It appears there will be a fork, but that's not particularly crucial to FreeBSD. ZFS also gone. OpenSolaris is gone, Oracle won't make any OpenSolaris release but they're still working on Solaris (and maybe ZFS). But did they close the sources too ? I mean, they have a VCS, can we still access it and download the ZFS source files ? Did they also relicense them ? As for btrfs, don't forget it's GPL, and still not production-ready. ZFS has a proven reliability, if Oracle drops it because they have btrfs, I'll be very angry... We're not going to drop ZFS because Oracle's plans are unclear. It remains to be seen how much other community support there is behind ZFS. Will FreeBSD import btrfs or other similar file system? From my observation, it takes about 2 years from the initial work on a new filesystem until it's relatively stable, so I don't know why we would suddenly decide to go that direction. mcl Assuming, for the moment, that there is no other support behind ZFS, I don't see why one would want to remove it from FreeBSD. It fills a useful gap, as far as filesystems on FreeBSD go, and if it came down to it, atleast for the foreseeable future, it would be worth supporting alone. It's not like anyone thinks FreeBSD should toss out UFS2, just because not many other OSes use it. The same holds true for DTrace. It's useful to have, Solaris or no Solaris. OpenSolaris dying shouldn't have a big impact on where FreeBSD goes with these tools, as long as they continue to be useful for the community and the developers, and aren't hampering development elsewhere. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS will gone,FreeBSD will import btrfs?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2010/08/16 21:21, lhmwzy wrote: opensolaris is gone,ZFS also gone. It's not gone since Oracle can not withdraw code that is already licensed under CDDL. They _may_ choose not to release anything new but we already have a newer zfs version that have basic functionality usable in p4. Will FreeBSD import btrfs or other similar file system? Not until someone(TM) sit down and work on it. Cheers, - -- Xin LI delp...@delphij.nethttp://www.delphij.net/ FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! Live free or die -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJMar0EAAoJEATO+BI/yjfB56sH/0kp+vWpiomiC7GKp6q8RFis wH+VTdh0HJbxeguXX89otUbHwQ5bm4XdxKl1PCUH7HFAkbUgKxkhRLGQAefMiGQE yqH+IVY3hT4qWpPaFkXadzx7TKyP/zEbrKOSdf+9zjMu64RCipmfH3PvqoZn7fVu KLQPUdeWhAY63MsFI7fAoLRqCckWS6YpcQrGcQhKqJ5TGPkXh50Ww3ZUGN9dGUvZ Ik2+SEXscBjB/lKjxurkBruqwJkrowUTORUcD5RQrb2hYJEQdkFEpYBk0RXVYNuX 61uNGgUGM9/PUnqSA+ddU5sckFLk/9lyj/+TVk5eEqaskSOHi+DKL+xSE1U1cqs= =Zq75 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS will gone,FreeBSD will import btrfs?
But did they close the sources too ? I mean, they have a VCS, can we still access it and download the ZFS source files ? If I understand Oracle's announcement correctly, sources would still be available. The change is that they will stop publishing them near-real-time and would release them after corresponding features appear in official Solaris release. Did they also relicense them ? Quote: We will not remove the CDDL from any files in Solaris to which it already applies, and new source code files that are created will follow the current policy regarding applying the CDDL (simply, that usr/src files will have the CDDL, and the very small minority of files in usr/closed might not have it) The way I read it ZFS will still be available under CDDL. --Artem ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
ZFS will gone,FreeBSD will import btrfs?
opensolaris is gone,ZFS also gone. Will FreeBSD import btrfs or other similar file system? ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ZFS will gone,FreeBSD will import btrfs?
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:21:07PM +0800, lhmwzy wrote: opensolaris is gone It appears there will be a fork, but that's not particularly crucial to FreeBSD. ZFS also gone. We're not going to drop ZFS because Oracle's plans are unclear. It remains to be seen how much other community support there is behind ZFS. Will FreeBSD import btrfs or other similar file system? From my observation, it takes about 2 years from the initial work on a new filesystem until it's relatively stable, so I don't know why we would suddenly decide to go that direction. mcl ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
