THANKS!!! Re: USB mouse/keyboard causes kernel panic during bootsequence
As of Saturday evening, the kernel no longer panics and boots up fine with USB devices plugged in. THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! to the person who made the last change to USB code! later Michael Mercer On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 21:48, Michael E. Mercer wrote: > > > > There is one last thing you can do: put > > > > options DDB > > > > in your kernel config file. Recompile. Reproduce. > > > > ddb> trace > > > > ... > > > > ddb> continue > > > > ... > > > > ddb> continue > > > > Uptime - 0s > > > > Rebooting... > > > > > > > > -- Josh > > Next time it involves this much typing... don't tell me... :P > > uhci_idone(0,c2e17180,c2e18000,c2e17180,c0494d6c) at +0xc > uhci_waitintr(c2e18000,c2e17180,c2e17180,8,c0494d7c) at +0xb6 > uhci_device_ctrl_start(c2e17180,0,c0494da4,c026f219,c2e17180) at +0x2c > uhci_device_ctrl_transfer(c2e,17180,0,c2e17180,c0494e0c,c026fc12) at > +0x1f > usbd_transfer(c2e17180,c0494dd4,c026fc1b,c2e17180,c2e17130) at +0xd1 > usbd_sync_transfer(c2e17180,c2e17130,c2e17100,c2e17130,c2e0daf0) at > +0x10 > usbd_request_flags(c2e17100,c0494e0c,c2e17130,0,0) at +0x5f > usbd_do_request(c2e17100,c0494e0c,c2e17130,c2e17100,0) at +0x18 > usbd_get_desc(c2e17100,1,0,8,c2e17130) at +0x67 > usbd_new_device(c2e17300,c2e18000,1,200,1,c2e17260) at +0x148 > uhub_explore(c2e17480,c2e17500,c2e17c00,0,c0494ea0) at +0x2be > usb_attach(c2e17500,c0494ebc,c0186f0f,c2e17500,c2e18000) at +0x112 > DEVICE_ATTACH(c2e17500,c2e18000,c2e17c00,0,1) at +0x2e > device_probe_and_attach(c2e17500) at +0x63 > uhci_pci_attach(c2e17c00,c0494f08,c0186f0f,c2e17c00,c2e17c00) at +0x2c6 > DEVICE_ATTACH(c2e17c00,c2e17c00,c2e16280,0,0) at +0x2e > device_probe_and_attach(c2e17c00) at +0x63 > bus_generic_attach(c2e16100,c0494f40,c0186f0f,c2e16100,c2e16100) at > +0x16 > DEVICE_ATTACH(c2e16100,c2e16100,c2e16400,0,1) at +0x2e > device_probe_and_attach(c2e16100) at +0x63 > bus_generic_attach(c2e16280,c0494f78,c0186f0f,c2e16280,c2e16280) at > +0x16 > DEVICE_ATTACH(c2e16280,c2e16280,c1454880,0,1) at +0x2e > device_probe_and_attach(c2e16280) at +0x63 > bus_generic_attach(c2e16400,c2e16400,c0494fa4,c012dd6e,c2e16400) at > +0x16 > nexus_attach(c2e16400,c0494fc0,c0186f0f,c2e16400,c2e16400) at +0xd > DEVICE_ATTACH(c2e16400,c2e16400,c0386ad0,49c000,1) at +0x2e > device_probe_and_attach(c2e16400) at +0x63 > root_bus_configure(c1454880,c035e6ec,0) at +0x16 > configure(0,491c00,49c00,0,c012d660) at +0x2a > mi_startup(0,0,0,0,0) at +0x69 > begin() at +0x47 > > That's it... hope I read my writing correctly :) > Michael > > > > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: New BETA of Broadcom 440x chipset driver
Duncan, Duncan Barclay wrote: I think I have fixed the RX packet loss and memory corruption problems with the previous version of the driver. Please try the code at http://people.freebsd.org/~dmlb/bcm-0308252140.tar.gz this version works great! Would people please try this and feed back good and bad experiences. I would be interested if people could run their favorite net bench marks with the hw.bcm_rx_quick sysctl set to 1 (default) and 0. I didn't see a difference, but my router in the middle is the bottleneck. Lars -- Lars Eggert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> USC Information Sciences Institute smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
/stand/sysinstall: Why do we always have to download /INDEX for anyinstallation changes?
Hello, all! Why do we always have to download .../packages/INDEX file, when we want to browse the package list from /stand/sysinstall? The size of the file is 3 megabytes, and it takes about a minute to download on my 512K DSL line (I bet it takes forever for those, who have dial-up :-) ). Why not keep a local-copy of this file and compare md5sum for the one on the ftp-server? AFAIK, we do not change the INDEX file within one release, so we do not even need to compare md5sum! Or keeping a gzipped version of that file would speed up the download in about 10 times, which is something one might consider... Cheers, Constantine. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Dell fast ethernet 3ccfe575bt-d
Hi, I was intalling freebsd on laptop and could not find the drivers for 3ccfe575bt-d fast ethernet 10/100base-tx ethernet card. Could anyone please enligten me where can I find the driver for this card. cheers. Sandeep. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dell fast ethernet 3ccfe575bt-d
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sandeep Kumar Davu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : I was intalling freebsd on laptop and could not find the drivers for : 3ccfe575bt-d fast ethernet 10/100base-tx ethernet card. Could anyone please : enligten me where can I find the driver for this card. /usr/src/sys/dev/xl in current. nowhere on 4.x stable. Warner ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: mbuf/mbuf cluster adjustments (bcm driver)
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Duncan Barclay wrote: DB>I then account for this header by doing an m_adj(m, 30) before DB>if_input(). However, this doesn't seem to work all the time. Looking at DB>the code for m_adj I don't think it is meant for use with mbuf DB>clusters. Is there a tidy way of trimming this header off from the mbuf DB>cluster? I'm going to first try manually copying stuff to confirm that DB>this is the problem and then try m_pullup followed by m_adj. m_adj should work on any mbuf whether with a cluster or not given that you mbuf is setup correctly. Where do you see a dependence on not beeing a cluster in that code? harti -- harti brandt, http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/research/cc/cats/employees/hartmut.brandt/private [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
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Re: mbuf/mbuf cluster adjustments (bcm driver)
From: "Harti Brandt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Duncan Barclay wrote: > > DB>I then account for this header by doing an m_adj(m, 30) before > DB>if_input(). However, this doesn't seem to work all the time. Looking at > DB>the code for m_adj I don't think it is meant for use with mbuf > DB>clusters. Is there a tidy way of trimming this header off from the mbuf > DB>cluster? I'm going to first try manually copying stuff to confirm that > DB>this is the problem and then try m_pullup followed by m_adj. > > m_adj should work on any mbuf whether with a cluster or not given that > you mbuf is setup correctly. Where do you see a dependence on not beeing a > cluster in that code? Just before I went to bed last night I think I realised what the problem is. I don't think I set the mbuf up correctly. doh! Thanks for letting me know it should work. > harti Duncan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dell fast ethernet 3ccfe575bt-d
M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sandeep Kumar Davu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > : I was intalling freebsd on laptop and could not find the drivers for > : 3ccfe575bt-d fast ethernet 10/100base-tx ethernet card. Could anyone please > : enligten me where can I find the driver for this card. > > /usr/src/sys/dev/xl in current. nowhere on 4.x stable. The sources for the xl(4) driver live in /usr/src/sys/pci, not in /usr/src/sys/dev/xl which doesn't exist. The driver is contained in the if_xl.c and if_xlreg.h files. Cheers, Maxime ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dell fast ethernet 3ccfe575bt-d
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Maxime Henrion wrote: > M. Warner Losh wrote: > > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sandeep Kumar Davu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > : I was intalling freebsd on laptop and could not find the drivers for > > : 3ccfe575bt-d fast ethernet 10/100base-tx ethernet card. Could anyone please > > : enligten me where can I find the driver for this card. > > > > /usr/src/sys/dev/xl in current. nowhere on 4.x stable. > > The sources for the xl(4) driver live in /usr/src/sys/pci, not in > /usr/src/sys/dev/xl which doesn't exist. The driver is contained in the > if_xl.c and if_xlreg.h files. > > Cheers, > Maxime * 3Com 3c575TX 10/100Mbps/RJ-45 (Cardbus, Hurricane ASIC) No cardbus support in -stable. :) Mike "Silby" Silbersack ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: /stand/sysinstall: Why do we always have to download /INDEX forany installation changes?
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 11:00:36PM -0400, Constantine wrote: > Hello, all! > > Why do we always have to download .../packages/INDEX file, when we want > to browse the package list from /stand/sysinstall? Please send patches :-) kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Minimalist FreeBSD 4.8
Hey all, I'm new to this mailing list and I'm certainly no FreeBSD hacker. I'm hoping one of you can help me out. I'd like to say I am a former linux user, but I'm not there yet. I currently run a linux from scratch box. I'd like to migrate to FreeBSD. I've got a 4.8 minimal install on an extra machine. As an LFS user I find the FreeBSD 4.8 minimal install to be pretty far from minimal. I'm looking for a way to strip down my 4.8 box to nothing but gcc and vi. Unfortunately I don't quite know how to get there. I've checked out the PicoBSD project, the MiniBSD project and the FreeBSD From Scratch projects extensively. I'm not famillar enough with FreeBSD to get any of them up and running the way I want. I'm hoping to end up with an empty system that I can fool around with and learn from the bottom up. The information I'm looking to aquire is the absolute minimum files required to boot FreeBSD 4.8 into multi-user mode. If this involves deleting a massive amount of directories and files, or setting up a new drive and copying only the needed files, I think I can make it work. Can any of you help me out? Or point me to a truly minimal distribution that uses FreeBSD 4.8? Thanks in advance, Tyler ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Minimalist FreeBSD 4.8
> Can any of you help me out? Or point me to a truly minimal distribution > that uses FreeBSD 4.8? AFAIK, the only thing you can do is tuning your own /etc/make.conf (template in /etc/defaults/make.conf). Here is the interessant part : #NO_CVS=true# do not build CVS #NO_BIND= true# do not build BIND [...] #NOSHARE= true# do not go into the share subdir #NOUUCP=true# do not build uucp related programs But it appears to mainly apply to third-party software. There is no kind of "binutils" or "fileutils" package in BSD : all these tools are part of the base system and cannot be removed easily, since there maybe other parts which rely on them. Regards, -- Jeremie aka TtZ/TataZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: New BETA of Broadcom 440x chipset driver
On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 16:56, Duncan Barclay wrote: > Hi > > I think I have fixed the RX packet loss and memory corruption problems with > the previous version of the driver. Please try the code at > > http://people.freebsd.org/~dmlb/bcm-0308252140.tar.gz > > I have manged to get full link speed ftping large files in both direction. > Also, I have successfully populated an empty /usr/src tree with cvsup whilst > up and downloading 50MB files. This is _much_ nicer so far. My interactive sessions (i.e. SSH, checking mail, logging into AIM, etc.) are all much quicker and much more reliable. > > Would people please try this and feed back good and bad experiences. I would > be interested if people could run their favorite net bench marks with the > hw.bcm_rx_quick sysctl set to 1 (default) and 0. Setting to zero forces the > driver to copy data from the NIC, one causes the driver to do a small 44 > byte memory shuffle. Whilst wire speed should not differ, time spent in the > interrupt routine should be less with the sysctl set to 1. I'll try with 0 later, but 1 seems pretty good. I haven't done a big transfer yet, though. > > Please do not use on a "valuable" system. The problem that this release > tries to fix sometimes resulted in kernel memory corruption. :-) Too late. My laptop is pretty important, but it's the only machine I have that can use this driver. Joe > > All the best > > Duncan > > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" -- PGP Key : http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Minimalist FreeBSD 4.8
Tyler Kellen wrote: I've got a 4.8 minimal install on an extra machine. As an LFS user I find the FreeBSD 4.8 minimal install to be pretty far from minimal. You've found one of the major differences between FreeBSD and Linux. In short, FreeBSD is a complete system. It's designed, developed, and maintained as a single coherent project. (There are a few components that are imported from outside sources, but the key approach is still the same: the source code from those outside projects is integrated into FreeBSD's source code and then maintained as a part of the integrated FreeBSD project.) In contrast, Linux distributions are assembled from the results of a number of independently-managed projects. As a result, it is quite natural to remove (or not install) components of a Linux distribution. This is a less natural thing to do with FreeBSD. It is possible, and minimal FreeBSD systems are being used in a lot of embedded systems (such as routers, email appliances, and the like), but it does require a bit of expertise to get there. > I've checked out the PicoBSD project, the MiniBSD project and the FreeBSD From Scratch projects extensively. I'm not famillar enough with FreeBSD to get any of them up and running the way I want. Those projects are intended more for people knowledgable about FreeBSD who want to customize FreeBSD for specialized applications. They really aren't designed for people just getting started. > I'm looking for a way to strip down my 4.8 box to nothing but gcc and > vi. Unfortunately I don't quite know how to get there. > I'm hoping to end up with an empty system that I can fool > around with and learn from the bottom up. My advice: start deleting things and see what happens. You can always re-install from the CDROM and start over if necessary. In the case of FreeBSD, though, a better way to start learning the system is probably to install a basic system, then learn how to compile and update the system from source code, and then start playing with the various customization options there (read "man make.conf" carefully, experiment with kernel configuration, etc.). That will help you get a feel for how the various pieces interact and which ones are important for what uses. You may want to set yourself a goal of building your own customized release CDs (e.g. "make release"). By the time you get there, you'll have a pretty good feel for the FreeBSD system as a whole. If you have programming skills, you can then start digging into the source code and seeing how it all works internally. If not, you can still get a lot out of browsing through the source tree to see what's there and how it all fits together. And, of course, read the mailing lists and ask questions. You've already got that part. FreeBSD is a great system. Welcome to the club! Tim Kientzle ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Minimalist FreeBSD 4.8
Tim, I've been pointed in the direction of the delete-and-reboot method a few times before. I'd really like some pointers for trimming down quickly that doesn't involve hours of trial and error. I don't need all of the functionality that base system offers. When and if I do, I'd like to put it on the system myself. Just so you have a little background, I am a seasoned C & C++ programmer. I'm currently doing some web-based application development utilizing asp/mssql. In the past I've worked with php/postgresql. I'm not a novice by a long shot when it comes to this sort of tinkering. Even so this process has proved itself pretty daunting. I find it much easier to learn when everything on my system was put there by me (within reason). I'm a bit of a perfectionist and I feel like I can't get there with FreeBSD. It bugs me to the point of turning back to Linux. I'm doing a make buildworld as we speak, hopefully going through this process will help a bit. What I'd really like to know is how to strip down a working system. If This hasn't been done, I guess I'm looking for someone with the knowledge and the time/generosity to help me figure it out. Once I get there, I intend to post it on my website for other converts who may feel the same way. This forum is most likely going to be my last resort, as I have looked pretty much everywhere I can think to look. Is there anything else you can offer to get me moving in the desired direction? -T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Kientzle Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:42 PM To: Tyler Kellen Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Minimalist FreeBSD 4.8 Tyler Kellen wrote: > I've got a 4.8 minimal install on an extra machine. As an LFS user > I find the FreeBSD 4.8 minimal install to be pretty far from minimal. You've found one of the major differences between FreeBSD and Linux. In short, FreeBSD is a complete system. It's designed, developed, and maintained as a single coherent project. (There are a few components that are imported from outside sources, but the key approach is still the same: the source code from those outside projects is integrated into FreeBSD's source code and then maintained as a part of the integrated FreeBSD project.) In contrast, Linux distributions are assembled from the results of a number of independently-managed projects. As a result, it is quite natural to remove (or not install) components of a Linux distribution. This is a less natural thing to do with FreeBSD. It is possible, and minimal FreeBSD systems are being used in a lot of embedded systems (such as routers, email appliances, and the like), but it does require a bit of expertise to get there. > I've checked > out the PicoBSD project, the MiniBSD project and the FreeBSD From > Scratch projects extensively. I'm not famillar enough with FreeBSD to > get any of them up and running the way I want. Those projects are intended more for people knowledgable about FreeBSD who want to customize FreeBSD for specialized applications. They really aren't designed for people just getting started. > I'm looking for a way to strip down my 4.8 box to nothing but gcc and > vi. Unfortunately I don't quite know how to get there. > I'm hoping to end up with an empty system that I can fool > around with and learn from the bottom up. My advice: start deleting things and see what happens. You can always re-install from the CDROM and start over if necessary. In the case of FreeBSD, though, a better way to start learning the system is probably to install a basic system, then learn how to compile and update the system from source code, and then start playing with the various customization options there (read "man make.conf" carefully, experiment with kernel configuration, etc.). That will help you get a feel for how the various pieces interact and which ones are important for what uses. You may want to set yourself a goal of building your own customized release CDs (e.g. "make release"). By the time you get there, you'll have a pretty good feel for the FreeBSD system as a whole. If you have programming skills, you can then start digging into the source code and seeing how it all works internally. If not, you can still get a lot out of browsing through the source tree to see what's there and how it all fits together. And, of course, read the mailing lists and ask questions. You've already got that part. FreeBSD is a great system. Welcome to the club! Tim Kientzle ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Minimalist FreeBSD 4.8
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 01:28:14PM -0500, Tyler Kellen wrote: > What I'd really like to know is how to strip down a working system. If > This hasn't been done, I guess I'm looking for someone with the > knowledge and the time/generosity to help me figure it out. Once I get > there, I intend to post it on my website for other converts who may feel > the same way. Look at the ClosedBSD cvs tree for examples of how and how not to do this. BMS ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Minimalist FreeBSD 4.8
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 13:28, Tyler Kellen wrote: > What I'd really like to know is how to strip down a working system. If > This hasn't been done, I guess I'm looking for someone with the > knowledge and the time/generosity to help me figure it out. Once I get > there, I intend to post it on my website for other converts who may feel > the same way. > > This forum is most likely going to be my last resort, as I have looked > pretty much everywhere I can think to look. Is there anything else you > can offer to get me moving in the desired direction? Well, the best I can offer is a 'FreeBSD from scratch' article I found: http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200302/fbsdscratch.html -- Shawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://drevil.warpcore.org/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Minimalist FreeBSD 4.8
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 07:29:06PM +0100, Bruce M Simpson wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 01:28:14PM -0500, Tyler Kellen wrote: > > What I'd really like to know is how to strip down a working system. If > > This hasn't been done, I guess I'm looking for someone with the > > knowledge and the time/generosity to help me figure it out. Once I get > > there, I intend to post it on my website for other converts who may feel > > the same way. > > Look at the ClosedBSD cvs tree for examples of how and how not to do this. I should probably expound on this further. I'm not sure if the ClosedBSD cvs tree was publicly posted. For what it's worth it was an attempt to produce a very cut-down FreeBSD-based distribution for a very specific purpose. I have backups of the tree, in any case, as I was the individual who did the initial CVS import as well as implementing the source build makefile hierarchy. FreeBSD is many things to many different people. I'm sure, for example, there are some subsystems many people will never touch. The idea of a minimal build kind of goes against the grain; the philosophy is that FreeBSD is a complete system. A modularized build wouldn't hurt, however; you'll find various switches which apply to src/Makefile and src/Makefile.inc. One mistake that the ClosedBSD project made was in trying to rewrite key system components without fully understanding how they worked. I was working in a full-time job at that time so I wasn't able to lend my full energies to fixing the problem. I'd rather not have any pack drill or pointing of fingers, suffice to say, the key components in question were not code that I had written or touched; but they were required for the system to boot, they were broken, and there were other issues with the lines of communication in that project which caused me to discontinue my involvement. I should also point out that FreeBSD is normally built from source. It is not typically installed using binary component packages. If you want to strip down a system to nothing but gcc and vi, by all means, go ahead, but be sure you aren't walking into a dependency minefield first. There are various subsystems that you may never touch, these are probably good candidates for removal. You probably need to do this from scratch. Be aware that the RC system has changed significantly in the 5.x releases. Be aware also that many other people are producing minimal builds and it may be fruitful to liase with them and learn from their experiences. The most appropriate forum for this is probably the freebsd-small mailing list. BMS ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [hackers] Re: BCM4401 ethernet driver
Greetings; Wondering whatever further may have come of this discussion regarding FreeBSD support of the built-in ethernet for the Dell Inspiron 8500 Notebook. Running a dual-boot system with MS Windows XP and FreeBSD 4.8 Release since 5.1 wouldn't seem to install, but not even sure how to make use of drivers beyond including their device code in the kernel configuration file, which may just be an issue with this current release. Other than that, may also ask if anyone's just managed to get the Motorola SB4200 Cable Modem to work through the USB port instead. Thank you, [freebsd.hackers] Subject: Re: [hackers] Re: BCM4401 ethernet driver From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Meman) Newsgroups: freebsd.hackers Organization: TAC News Gateway Date: Jun 18 2003 02:52:22 References: 1 David Gilbert wrote: > Duncan> I am in the process of rewriting this driver for FreeBSD. It > Duncan> can transmit, but RX is not yet going properly. As this is > Duncan> evening work, it's likely to take at elast another week. > > >>>This is the onboard ethernet on my dell inspiron 8500 laptop and I > > I'm pretty sure this is the chipset on my Dell D800 laptop. I would > be interested in testing the drivers, too. I'm running 5.1-RELEASE. > > Dave. This ethernet is onboard on some Asus A7V8X mother boards (VIA KT400 chipset). I'm running the linux/windows drivers from Broadcom site without problems. If you need more ppl testing the driver I'd be glad to help. I'm running 4.8-STABLE but could upgrade to 5.1-RELEASE if required. Regards, -- Tony Meman ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" -- COMPUTERBILD 15/03: Premium-e-mail-Dienste im Test -- 1. GMX TopMail - Platz 1 und Testsieger! 2. GMX ProMail - Platz 2 und Preis-Qualitätssieger! 3. Arcor - 4. web.de - 5. T-Online - 6. freenet.de - 7. daybyday - 8. e-Post ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [hackers] Re: BCM4401 ethernet driver
On 26-Aug-2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Greetings; > > Wondering whatever further may have come of this discussion regarding > FreeBSD support of the built-in ethernet for the Dell Inspiron 8500 Notebook. > Running a dual-boot system with MS Windows XP and FreeBSD 4.8 Release since > 5.1 > wouldn't seem to install, but not even sure how to make use of drivers beyond > including their device code in the kernel configuration file, which may just > be an issue with this current release. I fixed the RX problem yesterday. Take a look at http://people.freebsd.org/~dmlb/ and grab the lastest bcm_...tar.gz file. Untar this into /sys then cd /sys/modules/bcm make make install kldload if_bcm This driver is for -current only. Once I've done a bit more work on it and committed it, I'll back port to -stable. Duncan > Other than that, may also ask if anyone's just managed to get the Motorola > SB4200 Cable Modem to work through the USB port instead. > > Thank you, > > > [freebsd.hackers] > > Subject: Re: [hackers] Re: BCM4401 ethernet driver > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Meman) > Newsgroups: freebsd.hackers > Organization: TAC News Gateway > Date: Jun 18 2003 02:52:22 > References: 1 > > David Gilbert wrote: >> Duncan> I am in the process of rewriting this driver for FreeBSD. It >> Duncan> can transmit, but RX is not yet going properly. As this is >> Duncan> evening work, it's likely to take at elast another week. >> >> This is the onboard ethernet on my dell inspiron 8500 laptop and I >> >> I'm pretty sure this is the chipset on my Dell D800 laptop. I would >> be interested in testing the drivers, too. I'm running 5.1-RELEASE. >> >> Dave. > > This ethernet is onboard on some Asus A7V8X mother boards (VIA KT400 > chipset). I'm running the linux/windows drivers from Broadcom site > without problems. > > If you need more ppl testing the driver I'd be glad to help. I'm running > 4.8-STABLE but could upgrade to 5.1-RELEASE if required. > > Regards, > > -- > Tony Meman > > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > -- > COMPUTERBILD 15/03: Premium-e-mail-Dienste im Test > -- > 1. GMX TopMail - Platz 1 und Testsieger! > 2. GMX ProMail - Platz 2 und Preis-Qualitätssieger! > 3. Arcor - 4. web.de - 5. T-Online - 6. freenet.de - 7. daybyday - 8. e-Post > > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > -- Duncan Barclay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Minimalist FreeBSD 4.8
Shawn wrote: On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 13:28, Tyler Kellen wrote: What I'd really like to know is how to strip down a working system. [deleted] Well, the best I can offer is a 'FreeBSD from scratch' article I found: http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200302/fbsdscratch.html Look at www.trewitt.org/Soekris There is a tcl script which will get you a small system. Look at this as a place to start. MikeC ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Port bonding on nc3122 ( dual fxp ) NIC
Does anyone know if this is possible. I've done some googling around and cant find anything. Using 5.1-RELEASE is just detecting them as fxp0 and fxp1 Steve ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Minimalist FreeBSD 4.8
here is a possibilty.. as soon as the system has it's disks mounted, you could do: compile a kernel with option KTRACE ( cd /big-partition; ktrace -d -i -p 1 -tn) put it in /etc/rc just after the mount of the big partition. then boot do what you want to do... when you are likely to have done everything you want to do, then: ktrace -C cd /big-partition; kdump should give you a list of every file that has been accessed since you rebooted.. delete everything not referenced :-) On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Tyler Kellen wrote: > Tim, > > I've been pointed in the direction of the delete-and-reboot method a few > times before. I'd really like some pointers for trimming down quickly > that doesn't involve hours of trial and error. > > I don't need all of the functionality that base system offers. When and > if I do, I'd like to put it on the system myself. > > Just so you have a little background, I am a seasoned C & C++ > programmer. I'm currently doing some web-based application development > utilizing asp/mssql. In the past I've worked with php/postgresql. > > I'm not a novice by a long shot when it comes to this sort of tinkering. > Even so this process has proved itself pretty daunting. > > I find it much easier to learn when everything on my system was put > there by me (within reason). I'm a bit of a perfectionist and I feel > like I can't get there with FreeBSD. It bugs me to the point of turning > back to Linux. > > I'm doing a make buildworld as we speak, hopefully going through this > process will help a bit. > > What I'd really like to know is how to strip down a working system. If > This hasn't been done, I guess I'm looking for someone with the > knowledge and the time/generosity to help me figure it out. Once I get > there, I intend to post it on my website for other converts who may feel > the same way. > > This forum is most likely going to be my last resort, as I have looked > pretty much everywhere I can think to look. Is there anything else you > can offer to get me moving in the desired direction? > > -T > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Kientzle > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:42 PM > To: Tyler Kellen > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Minimalist FreeBSD 4.8 > > Tyler Kellen wrote: > > I've got a 4.8 minimal install on an extra machine. As an LFS user > > I find the FreeBSD 4.8 minimal install to be pretty far from minimal. > > You've found one of the major differences between FreeBSD and Linux. > In short, FreeBSD is a complete system. It's designed, developed, > and maintained as a single coherent project. (There are a few > components that are imported from outside sources, but the key approach > is still the same: the source code from those outside projects is > integrated into FreeBSD's source code and then maintained as a > part of the integrated FreeBSD project.) > > In contrast, Linux distributions are assembled from the results > of a number of independently-managed projects. > > As a result, it is quite natural to remove (or not install) > components of a Linux distribution. This is a less natural > thing to do with FreeBSD. It is possible, and minimal FreeBSD > systems are being used in a lot of embedded systems (such as > routers, email appliances, and the like), but it does require > a bit of expertise to get there. > > > I've checked > > out the PicoBSD project, the MiniBSD project and the FreeBSD From > > Scratch projects extensively. I'm not famillar enough with FreeBSD to > > get any of them up and running the way I want. > > Those projects are intended more for people knowledgable about FreeBSD > who want to customize FreeBSD for specialized applications. > They really aren't designed for people just getting started. > > > I'm looking for a way to strip down my 4.8 box to nothing but gcc and > > vi. Unfortunately I don't quite know how to get there. > > > I'm hoping to end up with an empty system that I can fool > > around with and learn from the bottom up. > > My advice: start deleting things and see what happens. > You can always re-install from the CDROM and start over if > necessary. > > In the case of FreeBSD, though, a better way to start learning the > system is probably to install a basic system, then learn how to compile > and update the system from source code, and then start playing with > the various customization options there (read "man make.conf" carefully, > experiment with kernel configuration, etc.). That will help you get > a feel for how the various pieces interact and which ones are > important for what uses. You may want to set yourself a goal > of building your own customized release CDs (e.g. "make release"). > By the time you get there, you'll have a pretty good feel for > the FreeBSD system as a whole. If you have programming skills, > you can then start digging into the source code and seeing how > it all works internally.
Re: Minimalist FreeBSD 4.8
Tyler Kellen wrote: > The information I'm looking to aquire is the absolute minimum files > required to boot FreeBSD 4.8 into multi-user mode. If this involves > deleting a massive amount of directories and files, or setting up a > new drive and copying only the needed files, I think I can make it work. You can use the system the way you intent to for two weeks, and then run find / -atime +2w -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f This command will delete all files that have not been accessed within the last two weeks. Diomidis - http://www.spinellis.gr ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Minimalist FreeBSD 4.8
Tyler Kellen wrote this message on Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 13:28 -0500: > I don't need all of the functionality that base system offers. When and > if I do, I'd like to put it on the system myself. Ok, then start out with cleaning out all the subdirs in the various src/*/Makefile's, and slowly add in what you need. It's pretty obvious on the various things you need, like libc, gcc, etc. I would recommend installing to a second partition, and then rebooting from that second partition, that way it's easier to handle. If you're going for absolute minimal, you'll want to eliminate the etc install, and write your own /etc/rc start up scripts since most of /etc will depend on things you've stated you don't want. We can't do all the research for you on what is necessary on the system, but things are similar enough to Linux that you should know what you need, (like /sbin/init, /sbin/mount, /bin/ls, etc.) [...] > I find it much easier to learn when everything on my system was put > there by me (within reason). I'm a bit of a perfectionist and I feel > like I can't get there with FreeBSD. It bugs me to the point of turning > back to Linux. Then do what I suggest there. From what I understand of most linux distros is that you still get a big package of tons of files, so, unless you hand unpack the files, you still don't understand. [...] > What I'd really like to know is how to strip down a working system. If > This hasn't been done, I guess I'm looking for someone with the > knowledge and the time/generosity to help me figure it out. Once I get > there, I intend to post it on my website for other converts who may feel > the same way. I was going to suggest something like: find / \! -name "*gcc*" -and \! -name "*vi*' | xargs rm To your response about removing everything but vi and gcc. It's a bit more complex than that. > This forum is most likely going to be my last resort, as I have looked > pretty much everywhere I can think to look. Is there anything else you > can offer to get me moving in the desired direction? If you're a good C/C++ programmer, and you're familar with Linux, then look at the src. FreeBSD is built from it, and is easier to find the source for a program than most. Look in src/(contrib/)?/(usr.)?s?bin/prog for the source. Some things are a bit more tricky, and might be in a sub dir like bootpgw is in src/libexec/bootpd/bootpgw. But it's all in the source. Use the Soruce Luke. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Kientzle > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:42 PM > To: Tyler Kellen > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Minimalist FreeBSD 4.8 > > Tyler Kellen wrote: > > I've got a 4.8 minimal install on an extra machine. As an LFS user > > I find the FreeBSD 4.8 minimal install to be pretty far from minimal. > > You've found one of the major differences between FreeBSD and Linux. > In short, FreeBSD is a complete system. It's designed, developed, > and maintained as a single coherent project. (There are a few > components that are imported from outside sources, but the key approach > is still the same: the source code from those outside projects is > integrated into FreeBSD's source code and then maintained as a > part of the integrated FreeBSD project.) > > In contrast, Linux distributions are assembled from the results > of a number of independently-managed projects. > > As a result, it is quite natural to remove (or not install) > components of a Linux distribution. This is a less natural > thing to do with FreeBSD. It is possible, and minimal FreeBSD > systems are being used in a lot of embedded systems (such as > routers, email appliances, and the like), but it does require > a bit of expertise to get there. > > > I've checked > > out the PicoBSD project, the MiniBSD project and the FreeBSD From > > Scratch projects extensively. I'm not famillar enough with FreeBSD to > > get any of them up and running the way I want. > > Those projects are intended more for people knowledgable about FreeBSD > who want to customize FreeBSD for specialized applications. > They really aren't designed for people just getting started. > > > I'm looking for a way to strip down my 4.8 box to nothing but gcc and > > vi. Unfortunately I don't quite know how to get there. > > > I'm hoping to end up with an empty system that I can fool > > around with and learn from the bottom up. > > My advice: start deleting things and see what happens. > You can always re-install from the CDROM and start over if > necessary. > > In the case of FreeBSD, though, a better way to start learning the > system is probably to install a basic system, then learn how to compile > and update the system from source code, and then start playing with > the various customization options there (read "man make.conf" carefully, > experiment with kernel configuration, etc.). That will help you get > a feel for how the various pieces interact and
Re: Minimalist FreeBSD 4.8
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 01:28:14PM -0500, Tyler Kellen wrote: > What I'd really like to know is how to strip down a working system. If > This hasn't been done, I guess I'm looking for someone with the > knowledge and the time/generosity to help me figure it out. Once I get > there, I intend to post it on my website for other converts who may feel > the same way. One way to do this initially is to install a full FreeBSD system on one disk partition and use a second partition for a trial install. FreeBSD's boot manager will let you boot into each. Start with just a root file system in the second partition, add /boot and /kernel (we're talking 4.8 here, so the kernel is in the root directory). Try booting the kernel and watching what errors you get. The first one will be a missing 'init'. When you find something is missing, reboot from the full system and copy the missing component to the minimal system. It's trial and error, but you will soon discover what you need and learn why you need it. To give you some idea of just how many files you need to start a basic 4.8 system using the standard /etc/rc* scripts, here is a list that I built up the other day while working on testing a flash file system driver on 4.8. My goal was just a basic system (without any development tools) that I could rlogin/telnet/nfs (on a private network). It contains vi, but not gcc. Adding that is an exercise for the reader. 8-) /bin/cat /bin/chio /bin/chmod /bin/cp /bin/date /bin/dd /bin/df /bin/domainname /bin/echo /bin/expr /bin/hostname /bin/kill /bin/link /bin/ln /bin/ls /bin/mkdir /bin/mv /bin/ps /bin/pwd /bin/realpath /bin/rm /bin/rmdir /bin/sh /bin/sleep /bin/stty /bin/sync /bin/test /bin/unlink /boot/boot0 /boot/boot1 /boot/boot2 /boot/cdboot /boot/defaults/loader.conf /boot/loader /boot/loader.4th /boot/loader.conf /boot/loader.help /boot/loader.rc /boot/mbr /boot/pxeboot /boot/support.4th /dev/MAKEDEV /dev/MAKEDEV.local /etc/auth.conf /etc/defaults/pccard.conf /etc/defaults/rc.conf /etc/disktab /etc/exports /etc/fstab /etc/gettytab /etc/group /etc/hosts.equiv /etc/inetd.conf /etc/login.conf /etc/master.passwd /etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist /etc/newsyslog.conf /etc/pam.conf /etc/passwd /etc/pccard.conf /etc/pccard_ether /etc/profile /etc/protocols /etc/rc /etc/rc.conf /etc/rc.network /etc/rc.pccard /etc/rc.serial /etc/resolv.conf /etc/rpc /etc/services /etc/shells /etc/spwd.db /etc/syslog.conf /etc/ttys /kernel /root/.profile /sbin/adjkerntz /sbin/disklabel /sbin/dmesg /sbin/fdisk /sbin/fsck /sbin/halt /sbin/ifconfig /sbin/init /sbin/mknod /sbin/mount /sbin/mount_mfs /sbin/mount_msdos /sbin/mount_nfs /sbin/mountd /sbin/newfs /sbin/nfsd /sbin/nfsiod /sbin/ping /sbin/reboot /sbin/route /sbin/shutdown /sbin/swapon /sbin/sysctl /sbin/umount /usr/bin/awk /usr/bin/chflags /usr/bin/cmp /usr/bin/cpio /usr/bin/diff /usr/bin/find /usr/bin/grep /usr/bin/gzip /usr/bin/login /usr/bin/mktemp /usr/bin/more /usr/bin/sed /usr/bin/su /usr/bin/touch /usr/bin/uname /usr/bin/vi /usr/bin/view /usr/lib/libc.so.4 /usr/lib/libcrypt.so.2 /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.3 /usr/lib/libgnuregex.so.2 /usr/lib/libipsec.so.1 /usr/lib/libmd.so.2 /usr/lib/libmp.so.3 /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 /usr/lib/libopie.so.2 /usr/lib/libpam.so.1 /usr/lib/librpcsvc.so.2 /usr/lib/libskey.so.2 /usr/lib/libutil.so.3 /usr/lib/libwrap.so.3 /usr/lib/libz.so.2 /usr/lib/pam_cleartext_pass_ok.so /usr/lib/pam_deny.so /usr/lib/pam_opie.so /usr/lib/pam_opieaccess.so /usr/lib/pam_permit.so /usr/lib/pam_radius.so /usr/lib/pam_skey.so /usr/lib/pam_ssh.so /usr/lib/pam_tacplus.so /usr/lib/pam_unix.so /usr/libexec/getty /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1 /usr/libexec/rlogind /usr/libexec/telnetd /usr/sbin/arp /usr/sbin/chown /usr/sbin/cron /usr/sbin/dev_mkdb /usr/sbin/inetd /usr/sbin/mtree /usr/sbin/pccardc /usr/sbin/pccardd /usr/sbin/portmap /usr/sbin/rpc.statd /usr/sbin/rpc.umntall /usr/sbin/syslogd /usr/share/misc/termcap /usr/share/misc/termcap.db -- John Birrell ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Minimalist FreeBSD 4.8
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 01:28:14PM -0500, Tyler Kellen wrote: > Tim, > > I've been pointed in the direction of the delete-and-reboot method a few > times before. I'd really like some pointers for trimming down quickly > that doesn't involve hours of trial and error. You might take a look at m0n0bsd: http://m0n0.ch/bsd/ -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Port bonding on nc3122 ( dual fxp ) NIC
Steven Hartland wrote: Does anyone know if this is possible. I've done some googling around and cant find anything. Using 5.1-RELEASE is just detecting them as fxp0 and fxp1 Assuming that I understand what you are asking, I believe that in FreeBSD they call it netgraph - "man ng_one2many" should give you the info you need. I had a friend who tried it out, and it seems to be completely compatible with the port bonding that Linux provides. (He also felt that the documentation for FreeBSD netgraph was better than the documentation that came with Linux port bonding, in particular the FreeBSD docs were better at explaining how it worked.) -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
