Re: [Fwd: Re: 3 connections as one]

2008-06-25 Thread Julian Elischer

Martes Wigglesworth wrote:

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To: Andres Chavez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 3 connections as one
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:34:04 -0400

I have been researching this issue for almost a month now, and what I
have found is that you can bind the ports together for outbound traffic,
and the same can be done for inbound traffic, the problem comes when you
try to get the inbound packets, or sessions to dispurse across the
load-balanced ports. I.E.: Who is on the other side of the multiple
DSL/Cable links to filter the traffic across the associated pipes so as
to "balance the load," so to speak?

It can be done, however, without an upstream, or maybe a vps that is
being used as an external gateway, you will not be able to get the
different session traffic to load balance across the multiple links,
when downloading.

At least that seems to be the situation, without some nifty DNS tricks.
I have not seen how the "appliances" get around this, however, it took
me this long for either list that I was on, to even admitt that the
theory was not stupid, and to engage me in productive inquiry.



the usual way is to NAT traffic out though each interface
so that the internet is not aware that sessions from apparently
different places are actually the same..


you can do the same with multiple NAT instances and some way to divide 
up the load between interfaces..





If you find anything else out on this topic, please let me know.


On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 00:07 +, Andres Chavez wrote:

Hi, a friend is challenge me to make use of 3 different connections (one
adsl, one cable, and one Evdo) as one single connection to internet, i
believe for make faster downloads or something such, its that can be
possible ?, if so, can anybody help me with this?, this sounds interesting
for know tricks on the FreeBSD operating system, he need to use this box as
the network manager and firewall as well, but the connection thing its
killing me i dont know how.
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[Fwd: Re: 3 connections as one]

2008-06-25 Thread Martes Wigglesworth

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To: Andres Chavez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 3 connections as one
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:34:04 -0400

I have been researching this issue for almost a month now, and what I
have found is that you can bind the ports together for outbound traffic,
and the same can be done for inbound traffic, the problem comes when you
try to get the inbound packets, or sessions to dispurse across the
load-balanced ports. I.E.: Who is on the other side of the multiple
DSL/Cable links to filter the traffic across the associated pipes so as
to "balance the load," so to speak?

It can be done, however, without an upstream, or maybe a vps that is
being used as an external gateway, you will not be able to get the
different session traffic to load balance across the multiple links,
when downloading.

At least that seems to be the situation, without some nifty DNS tricks.
I have not seen how the "appliances" get around this, however, it took
me this long for either list that I was on, to even admitt that the
theory was not stupid, and to engage me in productive inquiry.

If you find anything else out on this topic, please let me know.


On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 00:07 +, Andres Chavez wrote:
> Hi, a friend is challenge me to make use of 3 different connections (one
> adsl, one cable, and one Evdo) as one single connection to internet, i
> believe for make faster downloads or something such, its that can be
> possible ?, if so, can anybody help me with this?, this sounds interesting
> for know tricks on the FreeBSD operating system, he need to use this box as
> the network manager and firewall as well, but the connection thing its
> killing me i dont know how.
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Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...

2008-06-25 Thread David E. Thiel
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 09:21:53PM +0100, RW wrote:
> > Btw there is a small nasty problem copy/paste from wine app to native 
> > apps does not work. Ideas how to workaround this?
> 
> It's only the traditional X,  select and middle-click, that
> doesn't work in my experience
> 
> The windows-style explicit  cut/copy/paste works for me with KDE in
> both directions.

You could also use deskutils/autocutsel to help with this.
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Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...

2008-06-25 Thread RW
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:52:30 +0300
Stefan Lambrev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I tried this before and have a bad luck of not having working audio
> on flash, but today with new wine and FF3 it works.
> 
> Btw there is a small nasty problem copy/paste from wine app to native 
> apps does not work. Ideas how to workaround this?

It's only the traditional X,  select and middle-click, that
doesn't work in my experience

The windows-style explicit  cut/copy/paste works for me with KDE in
both directions.
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Re: 3D for AMD64 (was Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...)

2008-06-25 Thread Mike Meyer
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:00:09 -0400 "Ben Kaduk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Thierry Herbelot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > is there any hope for having the newly open-sourced radeon/radeon-hd AMD
> > drivers (and the related 3D acceleration) to work under FreeBSD-AMD64 ?
> >
> 
> Well, I'm using radeonhd right now on a
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public]$ uname -a
> FreeBSD periphrasis.mit.edu 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #4: Wed May
> 14 00:27:26 EDT 2008
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PERIPHRASIS  amd64

I'm not sure those are the drivers Theierry wants. The proprietary
driver was called fglrx, not "radeon" or "radeonhd". Those two drivers
have been in the X open source trees for quite a while now. I first
started using the radeon driver on amd64 in late 2006. The versions I
have checked out for FreeBSD are documented as

Radeonhd has no 2d or 3d acceleration.
Radeon has both, but only works for older cards.

That is also on 7-stable, but I haven't updated the sources in a
while.

   http://www.mired.org/consulting.html
Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information.

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Re: 3D for AMD64 (was Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...)

2008-06-25 Thread Ben Kaduk
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Thierry Herbelot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Le Wednesday 25 June 2008, Ben Kaduk a écrit :
>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Thierry Herbelot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> > is there any hope for having the newly open-sourced radeon/radeon-hd AMD
>> > drivers (and the related 3D acceleration) to work under FreeBSD-AMD64 ?
>>
>> Well, I'm using radeonhd right now on a
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public]$ uname -a
>> FreeBSD periphrasis.mit.edu 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #4: Wed May
>> 14 00:27:26 EDT 2008
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PERIPHRASIS  amd64
>
> good news !
>>
>> I don't think I have anything that uses 3d installed at the moment, but
>> the 2d seems like it's getting accelerated (non-accelerated dual-monitors
>> can be painfully slow).
>
> what are the details for your machine ? (graphics board make, motherboard
> chipset etc)
>
> I was thinking of buying a new machine with AMD 780G or 790GX chipsets, whose
> integrated graphics board is supposed to be driven by radeonhd.
>

There's a dmesg and pciconf at
http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/sipb.mit.edu/user/kaduk/freebsd/periphrasis/

The motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L, so Intel P35 northbridge
and Intel ICH9 southbridge; the actual video card came with very
little documentation, but purpots to be a Radeon B2 256 HD2400PRO PCIe
by VisionTek.  The HD2400Pro part certainly seems accurate, at least.

When setting up radeonhd for the card, I did need to toggle the hotplug
detection bit in xorg.conf to get dual-monitor support; I haven't updated
xorg since I filed that report, so I don't know if's been fixed already.

-Ben Kaduk
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Re: 3D for AMD64 (was Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...)

2008-06-25 Thread Thierry Herbelot
Le Wednesday 25 June 2008, Ben Kaduk a écrit :
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Thierry Herbelot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > is there any hope for having the newly open-sourced radeon/radeon-hd AMD
> > drivers (and the related 3D acceleration) to work under FreeBSD-AMD64 ?
>
> Well, I'm using radeonhd right now on a
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public]$ uname -a
> FreeBSD periphrasis.mit.edu 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #4: Wed May
> 14 00:27:26 EDT 2008
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PERIPHRASIS  amd64

good news !
>
> I don't think I have anything that uses 3d installed at the moment, but
> the 2d seems like it's getting accelerated (non-accelerated dual-monitors
> can be painfully slow).

what are the details for your machine ? (graphics board make, motherboard 
chipset etc)

I was thinking of buying a new machine with AMD 780G or 790GX chipsets, whose 
integrated graphics board is supposed to be driven by radeonhd.

TfH
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Re: 3D for AMD64 (was Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...)

2008-06-25 Thread Ben Kaduk
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Thierry Herbelot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> is there any hope for having the newly open-sourced radeon/radeon-hd AMD
> drivers (and the related 3D acceleration) to work under FreeBSD-AMD64 ?
>

Well, I'm using radeonhd right now on a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public]$ uname -a
FreeBSD periphrasis.mit.edu 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #4: Wed May
14 00:27:26 EDT 2008
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PERIPHRASIS  amd64

I don't think I have anything that uses 3d installed at the moment, but
the 2d seems like it's getting accelerated (non-accelerated dual-monitors
can be painfully slow).

-Ben Kaduk
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Re: Can't load firmware

2008-06-25 Thread Fernando Apesteguía
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Fernando Apesteguía
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Andrew Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 05:27:47PM +0200, Fernando Apestegu?a wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm facing some problems with my IPW2200 NIC. It seems I can't load
>>> the firmware (from system log):
>>>
>>> firmware_get: failed to load firmware image iwi_bss
>>>
>>> Both if_ipw and ipw_bss modules are loaded.
>>>
>>> This very same computer works fine with linux, including loading the 
>>> firmware.
>>
>> Have you set legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1 in /boot/loader.conf?
>
> No. I'm aware of the iwi man page, but after I did that I got a
> message in /var/log/messages complaining about the
> legal.intel_ipw.license_ack variable, not the one specified in the iwi
> man page.
>
> I set the last one to 1 but I got the firmware loading problem. If
> this has changed, I suppose it should be fixed in the documentation
> IMHO.
>
> Any more ideas? Any debugging hints?
>
> Thanks in advance

Oops, sorry I forgot: I'm using 7.0 RELEASE.

Thanks

>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>
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Re: Can't load firmware

2008-06-25 Thread Fernando Apesteguía
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Andrew Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 05:27:47PM +0200, Fernando Apestegu?a wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm facing some problems with my IPW2200 NIC. It seems I can't load
>> the firmware (from system log):
>>
>> firmware_get: failed to load firmware image iwi_bss
>>
>> Both if_ipw and ipw_bss modules are loaded.
>>
>> This very same computer works fine with linux, including loading the 
>> firmware.
>
> Have you set legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1 in /boot/loader.conf?

No. I'm aware of the iwi man page, but after I did that I got a
message in /var/log/messages complaining about the
legal.intel_ipw.license_ack variable, not the one specified in the iwi
man page.

I set the last one to 1 but I got the firmware loading problem. If
this has changed, I suppose it should be fixed in the documentation
IMHO.

Any more ideas? Any debugging hints?

Thanks in advance

>
>
> Andrew
>
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Re: Can't load firmware

2008-06-25 Thread Andrew Thompson
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 05:27:47PM +0200, Fernando Apestegu?a wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm facing some problems with my IPW2200 NIC. It seems I can't load
> the firmware (from system log):
> 
> firmware_get: failed to load firmware image iwi_bss
> 
> Both if_ipw and ipw_bss modules are loaded.
> 
> This very same computer works fine with linux, including loading the firmware.
 
Have you set legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1 in /boot/loader.conf?


Andrew
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Can't load firmware

2008-06-25 Thread Fernando Apesteguía
Hi all,

I'm facing some problems with my IPW2200 NIC. It seems I can't load
the firmware (from system log):

firmware_get: failed to load firmware image iwi_bss

Both if_ipw and ipw_bss modules are loaded.

This very same computer works fine with linux, including loading the firmware.

I post this question here cause I didn't get any answer in the
freebsd-questions@ list and because I read in the iwi man page that
this shouldn't happen :).

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
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RE: Looking for *cheap* embedded platform w- 2 ethernets

2008-06-25 Thread Marcel Grandemange
http://www.mikrotik.com/ , That's the software they normally use on these
boards, linux based with client software to configure it, very easy and
EXTREMELY easy to do full VPN client/server, full OSPF/RIP/BGP, well pretty
much anything network related.

I agree on the gigabit statement although interface bonding will have to do
for now.

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Subject: Re: Looking for *cheap* embedded platform w- 2 ethernets

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 01:43:52PM +0200, Marcel Grandemange wrote:
> http://www.routerboard.com/
> 
> Theres my suggestion.

Those are really, *really* nice.  It's about time such vendors started
using gigE PHY/NICs; it's the main reason why I don't invest in devices
like these.  The RB/1000 is quite awesome.

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Re: Looking for *cheap* embedded platform w- 2 ethernets

2008-06-25 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 01:43:52PM +0200, Marcel Grandemange wrote:
> http://www.routerboard.com/
> 
> Theres my suggestion.

Those are really, *really* nice.  It's about time such vendors started
using gigE PHY/NICs; it's the main reason why I don't invest in devices
like these.  The RB/1000 is quite awesome.

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RE: Looking for *cheap* embedded platform w- 2 ethernets

2008-06-25 Thread Marcel Grandemange
http://www.routerboard.com/

Theres my suggestion.

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Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:07 AM
To: Gary Jennejohn
Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Looking for *cheap* embedded platform w- 2 ethernets

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:24:06PM +0200, Gary Jennejohn wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:58:32 +0200
> Bernd Walter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 08:07:46PM -0700, joe mcguckin wrote:
> > > I'm looking for a cheap and small embedded platform to use as a  
> > > portable vpn endpoint. It doesn't have to be fast, it just has to
> > > run *BSD.
> > > 
> > > Any suggestions??
> > 
> > We build our own ARM9 based board:
> > http://www.small-control.de/FSB-A920-1.html
> > http://www.small-control.de/FSB-A920-1-APG.html
> > 
> 
> Looks like it's soldered by hand.  Is it?

Yes it is.

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Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...

2008-06-25 Thread Stefan Lambrev

Greetings,

Mark Carlson wrote:

On 6/24/08, Naram Qashat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Julian Stacey wrote:


Do you have a "How To" RTFM Cook book / script URL please ?

  

 I'd like to chime in here and say there is nothing special to get this
configuration to work.  Download the Windows version of Firefox and install
it via Wine, then download the Windows version of Flash for Firefox and
install that with Wine.  Once you do that, you have Flash in Firefox using
Wine.  Like has been said, Wine is far from perfect, but this works great
until a native Flash can be made for FreeBSD.

 Naram Qashat



I'm not at my box right now, but it went something like this:

0. Install wine ( emulators/wine )
1. Download firefox for windows (
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html )
2. Run: wine "Firefox Setup 3.0.exe"
3. Complete the installer
4. To run firefox you need to do something like: wine "C:/Program
Files/Mozilla Firefox/firefox.exe" (I forget the exact path / command
name)
5. Navigate to the adobe flash download page ( use goole or something
) and download the flash installer for windows.
6. When the download is complete, run it ( should be able to do this
from the download manager in firefox )
7. Complete the flash installer ( this will require you to close
firefox, so do that )
8. Start firefox again (see the wine firefox.exe command from above)
9. Create a script to start firefox under wine since the command is so ugly.

I might write up some better instructions when I have the time, but I
really don't have a good place to put them.
  
I tried this before and have a bad luck of not having working audio on 
flash, but today with new wine and FF3 it works.


Btw there is a small nasty problem copy/paste from wine app to native 
apps does not work. Ideas how to workaround this?

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Re: Looking for *cheap* embedded platform w- 2 ethernets

2008-06-25 Thread Bernd Walter
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:24:06PM +0200, Gary Jennejohn wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:58:32 +0200
> Bernd Walter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 08:07:46PM -0700, joe mcguckin wrote:
> > > I'm looking for a cheap and small embedded platform to use as a  
> > > portable vpn endpoint. It doesn't have to be fast, it just has to
> > > run *BSD.
> > > 
> > > Any suggestions??
> > 
> > We build our own ARM9 based board:
> > http://www.small-control.de/FSB-A920-1.html
> > http://www.small-control.de/FSB-A920-1-APG.html
> > 
> 
> Looks like it's soldered by hand.  Is it?

Yes it is.

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build stamps

2008-06-25 Thread Artis Caune
If you are making world or release twice from one source, you will get
some binaries and lot of libraries which differ because of time
stamps:
   # make buildworld
   # make installworld DESTDIR=/home/build1
   # rm -r /usr/obj/usr
   # make buildworld
   # make installworld DESTDIR=/home/build2

   # diff -r /home/build1 /home/build2


freebsd-update-server also make world twice to find out where those
build stamps are.

I tried to freeze clock on build box while repeating build process:
   # while true; do date -n ; sleep 0.5; done

and there were no differences between two builds.


Is there any harm if I build releases with frozen clock?
or maybe load kld module which replace gettimeofday syscall at build time?

thanks,
Artis
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