Re: What's cooking for FreeBSD on wiki

2012-09-27 Thread Yamagi Burmeister
Hello :)

On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:32:48 +0200
Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote:

 Since I have less free time than necessary to properly maintain the
 What's cooking page(s), I've transitioned the one for FreeBSD 10, and
 hopefully future versions, to the FreeBSD wiki:
 
 http://wiki.freebsd.org/WhatsNew/FreeBSD10
 
 This reduces the bus factor for this page and also allows everyone to
 add new information they think is necessary.
 
 I'll also participate in maintaining the wiki page, but please don't
 wait for me if you see something missing from it :)

Lars Engels asked me if I would volunteer to help keeping that wiki
page up to date. Since my day job requires me to read nearly every
commit message and I'm writing all the FreeBSD related news for the
german BSDForen.de community, I agreed. But, of course, any help is
welcome. :)

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RE: gpart is junk

2012-09-27 Thread Daniel Eischen

On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Desmond da Peoples wrote:


On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Daniel Eischen wrote:

 On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Tom Evans wrote:

 On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Jeff Anton an...@hesiod.org wrote:
 ^E my point is that all this information needs to be
 together in one human and machine readable form.  We need to be able to look
 at the whole picture of a device and say that makes sense then do it.  And
 this shouldn't be from some GUI junk either.
 In a file, this information can be kept as a reference, as a confirmation
 that partitioning hasn't changed unexpectedly, and
 modified if needed in a clear manner.


 (Sorry to pick at just parts of your email^E)

 The current GEOM configuration is available from a sysctl in machine
 readable format - check out kern.geom.confxml. If you are concerned


kern.geom.confxml is far from readable.  kern.geom.conftxt is closer,
but still not anywhere as readable as bsdlabel.


 about your partitions changing underneath you, storing and then
 comparing output from this sysctl gives you a simple way to determine
 what.

 A human readable version can be obtained from the gpart tool.

 IMHO, gpart and GEOM are fantastic. gpart is a much simpler tool to
 use than fdisk, and fully understands every kind of disk partitioning
 you can throw at it, whilst fdisk is only a tool for playing with MBR.
 The gpart man page explains clearly and concisely how to use it.

 GEOM provides a clear framework that anything can plug in to, from
 labels to whole disk encryption.

 It is not simple.  All I want is Solaris format utility (partition
 and label).

For someone such as myself- and others- who use PowerPC(64)/POWER
systems, gpart is far from being junk. Fdisk is basically useless
on an APM table or to even create such. You also have the choice
of creating a partition scheme with a Linux live CD and then
adjusting the partition types with gpart. You can use gparted.
Maybe you haven't noticed that gpart givess you the option of
different partition tables from the start.


gpart is a low-level tool to be used by someone who knows
exactly what they are doing.  It is not useful for someone
who just wants to partition and label a disk and doesn't
have hours of free time to read and understand gpart.

I want the capability of the old installer.  Where is that?
Ahh, I found it - I guess it is /usr/sbin/bsdinstall :-)

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Re: gpart is junk

2012-09-27 Thread Tom Evans
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Daniel Eischen deisc...@freebsd.org wrote:
  On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Tom Evans wrote:
  The current GEOM configuration is available from a sysctl in machine
  readable format - check out kern.geom.confxml. If you are concerned


 kern.geom.confxml is far from readable.  kern.geom.conftxt is closer,
 but still not anywhere as readable as bsdlabel.


I did specifically say 'machine readable'. The XML is well-formed,
contains all relevant information, and is unarguably machine readable.

Cheers

Tom
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