Re: Where is strnlen() ?

2004-08-11 Thread James Housley
Thordur Ivar B. wrote:
While porting software from a friend wich was developed under Linux, I stumbled
upon an error: src/socket.c:236: warning: implicit declaration of function
`strnlen'
Now my programming experience is nothing to brag about but I wonder why strnlen
is not a part of FreeBSD's libc. I think that the use of strlen() insted of
strnlen() could resault in buffer-overflow risks and my fellows (most of them
are more experienced in the art of programming say that bounds checking is
always good.) 

I see one small, specialiezed use.  That is in a structure were a string 
for max length doesn't get the terminator, this would prevent reading 
throught the rest of the data to find a null somewhere.

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Loosing STDOUT after file rotation

2004-04-02 Thread James Housley
I have a program that I have the is supposed to run forever.  I log any 
output to a log file.  It is run in a startup script like thie:

program_name  $err_log 21

The problem is that after newsyslog rotates the $err_log file, no more 
data is written to the file.  I can not stop and restart the program.  I 
can accept a signal.  But what do I need to do in program_name to allow 
the data to be written after the rotation of the file.

Thanks,
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Loosing STDOUT after file rotation

2004-04-02 Thread James Housley
I have a program that I have the is supposed to run forever.  I log any
output to a log file.  It is run in a startup script like thie:
program_name  $err_log 21

The problem is that after newsyslog rotates the $err_log file, no more
data is written to the file.  I can not stop and restart the program.  I
can accept a signal.  But what do I need to do in program_name to allow
the data to be written after the rotation of the file.
Thanks,
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Re: BDM under current

2004-02-13 Thread James Housley
sebastian ssmoller wrote:
hi,
does anyone know whether i can use gdb + bdm under freebsd ?
i found this page http://bdm.thehousleys.net/ which seems to be out of
date. 
Probably not, I had it working well under 3.x, never really got it working 
in 4.x

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Re: Boston area BSD meeting (or user group?)

2003-07-14 Thread James Housley
Martin Cracauer wrote:
Hi, folks,

seems we have no user group in Boston.

What about a few of us get together for some BSD chatting?

If so,let me know what kind of meeting you'd like (beer, hacking
etc.).  

Martin
Sounds good to me, but I am not on freebsd-usergroups.  I live on the 
South Shore.

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Re: serial console com1 to com1 == login race condition?

2002-08-09 Thread James Housley

Dan Langille wrote:
 I have two remote boxes.  My colocation hosts have strung a crossover 
 serial cable from com1 to com1 on these boxes.  The idea is that if I 
 paint myself into a corner on one box, I can get access to it from 
 the other box via the serial cable.
 
 But...
 
 I will need to set up serial consoles on each box in advance of a 
 problem arising.  But won't I get a race condition with each box 
 thinking the other is trying to login?
 
 [1] - my apologies to those with whom I have already discussed this 
 issue.

One option is com1 to com2 .  It takes 2 cable, but if ttyd1 (com2) 
doesn't have getty running then the race won't exist.

Jim

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Re: Where are the closed PR's ?

2002-02-06 Thread James Housley

Wayne Pascoe wrote:
 
 Hi there,
 
 I am trying to break into contributing to FreeBSD. I've been reading
 through the PR database, but the one thing that I do not see is the
 closed PR's.
 
 The reason I want to see these is to see some sample problems, and how
 they were closed. Being able to see the patch, etc. would also be
 great.
 
 So in short, where can I find the closed PR's ?
 

I assume you are at http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi ,
right.  In the last paragraph before all the PRs this is a link to
Include closed reports too

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Re: Possible bug in kernel w/pppoe ipf ?

2002-02-01 Thread James Housley

Rob Zietlow wrote:
 
 Ahh yes, I knew I forgot something, Thank you Jim. yes My rulest was both
 the original that worked before the DSL pppoe wackiness. I also had the
 same routing issues when my /etc/ipf.rules said:
 
 pass in all
 pass out all
 
 I still received the no route to host message.  I also added into my
 rc.conf ipfilter_rules=etc/ipf.rulesas the rc.conf in
 /etc/defaults/rc.conf had listed in it.
 

I don't know if this is your problem or not, but

I use IPFW so this may not be the same as ipf, it may also not exist any
more for IPFW either.  But I have 1 machine connected vie a cable modem
and dhclient.  I have another machine connected via DSL and PPPoE and
dhclient.  Both of these machines had to, might not be true any more but
one is in a different country and don't want to mess with it, configure
the kernel to IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT to ensure the dhclient could
connect on boot.  After that I load a more restrictive firewall.  But my
basic problem was that during boot, dhclient was being run before the
firewall rules were being loaded.  Again, I don't know if this is still
the case.

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Re: which port for libcrypto.so.2

2002-01-15 Thread James Housley

Alwyn Goodloe wrote:
 
 When trying to run ethereal I get the message
 
 %./ethereal
 /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object libcrypto.so.2 not found
 
 Anyone know which package I can get this from???
 

Check the compat port, they add the libraries from previous versions of
FreeBSD.

misc/compat2x
misc/compat3x
misc/compat4x

Check the pkg-plist files.  My guess is compat3x

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Re: Jul 30 changes to ppp break my Telstra ADSL PPPoE connection

2001-12-03 Thread James Housley

Greg Lane wrote:
 
 G'day all,
 
 I have a problem with PPPoE over Telstra ADSL (Australia). A full
 description of the problem can be found in freebsd-questions
 (see [EMAIL PROTECTED] dated Nov 30)
 with the subject:
 
 ADSL PPPoE (Telstra Aust.) began to hang between 4.3- and 4.4-RELEASE
 
 The short of it is that at some point during my cvsup history certain
 types of traffic would hang, specifically most web traffic and certain
 types of ssh (e.g. ls -l of a long directory). This was reminiscent of
 the MTU/MRU problems at the beginning of the year. I backdated to
 4.3-RELEASE which worked and I forgot about it until recently when I
 decided to change my gateway machine.
 
 I have now chased it up in earnest by going back through
 various dated cvsup's and making the world. On
 July 30th there were some changes to src/usr.sbin/ppp that break ppp
 and cause this problem. Strangely enough the changes were related to
 MRU's :- !!
 
 I can reliably make my DSL connection work on three different machines
 using four different network cards (ed, de, vr, rl) with source dated
 Jul 30 12:01am, and reliably break it with anything after
 Jul 31 12:01am.
 
 The changes made to ppp on that day were to:
 
 src/usr.sbin/ppp/command.c
 src/usr.sbin/ppp/lpc.c
 src/usr.sbin/ppp/nat_cmd.c
 src/usr.sbin/ppp/nat_cmd.h
 src/usr.sbin/ppp/ppp.8
 
 The most likely problem is lpc.c because 1) it looks the most
 complicated(!!) and 2) it is supposed to:
 
 MFC: Handle peer REQ/NAKs of 1500 byte MRUs when we have no preference
 
 The other diffs were small and were to implement two issues:
 
 MFC: If the peer REJects our MRU REQ, stop REQing it -- *EVEN* if we're
  doing PPPoE and the default MRU is therefore too big.
 
 MFC: Actually add the ``nat proto'' command
 
 I'm afraid my lack of knowledge stops me going on from here. My
 ppp.conf is below and I start ppp with ppp -ddial -nat -quiet bigpond
 Can anyone see the problem and suggest further detective work I can
 perform or even better, a fix or workaround?
 
 Cheers,
 Greg
 
 P.S. I have cross-posted to questions since the thread started there
 and hackers since I believe I have narrowed down the problem and it is
 technical. I hope this is OK. Please confine your reply to whatever
 list you feel is appropriate, I am subscribed to both.
 
 ---
 default:
  #Only enable logging for troubleshooting
  #set log CBCP CCP Chat Connect Command IPCP tun Phase Warning Debug LCP sync
 
  set device PPPoE:rl0:bigpond
  set speed sync
  set mru 1454
  set mtu 1454

I had a similar problem, but haven't been able to fully track it down.  I did file a 
PR  http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=32040 .  A LCP log of both versions was
requested.  Also if you read the new man page there is set mtu max x and set mru 
max x options, the I might have mistyped when I tried.

Jim
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Re: Anyone see todays Wall Street Journal article: Microsoft Using Free Software (or something to that effect)

2001-06-18 Thread James Housley

Jonathan Slivko wrote:
 
 While I didn't read the article (I saw it when someone was reading
 the opposite page on the subway today), I thought it might make
 for some interesting conversation and views on the list. I will
 try and get a URL for you all to look at later. Thanks.
 -- Jonathan
 

It already has been posted at http://www.daemonnews.org/

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Re: Strange request: Reading RX-50 (aka DEC Rainbow 100) disks

2001-06-09 Thread James Housley

Mark Hittinger wrote:
 
 MSDOS world only and not CPM.  I'd bet there are utilities on simtel20 that
 would read a CPM format floppy in 40 track format.  I formatted them on the

A quick search returned 10 matches with this one looking like what you
want.

http://www.simtel.net/pub/pd/44392.shtml

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ppp problems on 4.3-RELEASE and PPPoE

2001-05-16 Thread James Housley

I have been having problems with the the newer Windows machines, 2000 
Me, not being able to access some websites.  I have had to manually edit
the registry to change the MTU.  This should not be needed, because I am
running 4.3-RELEASE which has had the tcpmssfixup feature for a while. 
It is enabled.  Unfortunately this maching is in an office in Canada,
and I am not in Canada.  I am using natd and ipfw for NAT and the
firewall.  The link has a static IP if it matters.  Below I am attaching
ppp.conf.  I have watched some of the data with tcpdump on both tun0 and
ed0, but I am not sure what to look for.

Suggestion on how to proceed.

Jim

 ppp.conf 
default:
 ident user-ppp VERSION (built COMPILATIONDATE)

 # Ensure that device references the correct serial port
 # for your modem. (cuaa0 = COM1, cuaa1 = COM2)
 #
 set device /dev/cuaa1

 set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command
 set speed 115200
 set dial ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \
   \\ AT OK-AT-OK ATE1Q0 OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT
 set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0
 set timeout 180# 3 minute idle timer (the
default)
 add default HISADDR# Add a (sticky) default route
 enable dns # request DNS info (for
resolv.conf)

magma:
 ident
 set device PPPoE:ed0
 set MRU 1492
 set MTU 1492
 set authname **
 set authkey ***
 set log Phase Chat Connect
 set dial
 set login
 set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0
 set timeout 0
 set server +3000 ***
 enable tcpmssfixup
 disable dns
 set cd 5
 set crtscts off
 enable pap
 disable pred1

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Re: ppp problems on 4.3-RELEASE and PPPoE

2001-05-16 Thread James Housley

Brian Somers wrote:
 
 Try reducing the interface MTU further.  It's possible that there's a
 misconfigured router between you and the sites *and* a part of the
 route has an mtu of less than 1492.
 
 ``set mtu 1480'' or ``set mtu 1460'' may work.
 

That fixed it.  I fat-fingered it to 1450.  But is now working.  I will,
when bored, try raising it up to 1480, for a little more performance.  I
hadn't considered the possibility that the 1492, which their Windoze
software uses, would be too big.

Thanks again all.

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Re: real time

2001-05-04 Thread James Housley

Wes Peters wrote:
 
 Charles:
 
  -Original Message-
Joao Carlos [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked:
  
   Does FreeBSD has any related work about it as an real time operating
   system?
   Where can i find information about that ??
 
  Here's one starting point,
 
  http://www.rtmx.com/
 
  They offer extensions to OpenBSD.
 
 Used to.  RTMX contributed the RTMX code base to OpenBSD and stopped
 distributing it themselves over a year ago.  Since then, it has
 disappeared, with no mention of it on the OpenBSD web site.  Neither
 OpenBSD.org, rtmx.com, nor rtmx.net has a search feature, so
 looking for it is nearly impossible.  There is nothing in the OpenBSD
 change logs mentioning RTMX, either.
 

RTEMS, http://www.oarcorp.com, does compile and run on FreeBSD.  I have
been contacted/contacting one of their main people about closer ties. 
The tools are in the ports tree.

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Re: PPPoE

2001-01-22 Thread James Housley

Drew Sanford wrote:
 
 It's been a while since I set up PPPoE on my box here, but if memory
 serves, the handbook covers it very well - I believe it calls for the
 addition of:
 
 options netgraph
 options netgraph_pppoe
 options netgraph_socket
 
Yes and all of these can be loaded at runtime as KLDs

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Re: jail and sysvipc (was Re: 4.2beta and shmget)

2000-11-04 Thread James Housley

Stephanie Wehner wrote:
 
 On Sat, Nov 04, 2000 at 10:47:27AM -0700, Wes Peters wrote:
 
  It works fine for me.  Try this little program and see if it successfully
  attaches the shared memory segment:
 
 thx :) actually I think it might have something to do with jail then,
 cause this test works fine on the actual host machine but not in the jail.
 Looking at the jail manpage, you now have to set jail.sysvipc_allowed
 in order to make it work.
 
 Are there any plans to adapt jail to work with (as stated in the manpage)
 multiple namespaces for sysv stuff ?
 
From discussion on this and/or other lists, I forget where.  This was
done to make 4.2 "secure" or at least not bad in reference to SHM and
jail code.  The same discussions mentioned plans to actually fix/DTRT,
but hat will take time.

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Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux

2000-10-21 Thread James Housley

FengYue wrote:
 
 On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, Frederik Meerwaldt wrote:
 
 -Differences... FreeBSD is a real Unix, while Linux is a ..how should I
 
 Hmmm.  FreeBSD is not a UNIX, rather it's a UNIX alike OS. (Which really
 doesn't matter IMHO)
 
 Don't forget UNIX is a trademark of Open Group.
 
I believe a correct and true statement is "FreeBSD is a direct decendant
of Unix(TM).  Based on the BSD sources"

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Blocking Napster (WAS: IPFW bug/incoming TCP connections being let in.)

2000-10-20 Thread James Housley

Nate Williams wrote:
 
  I had blocked incoming TCP connections coming into my network using
  IPFW, and I noticed that my brother was able to establish a Napster
  connection, even though I had blocked it earlier.
 
 *sigh*
 
 Thanks to Guy Helmer for being patient with me as I fretted about this.
 
 I just found out that Napster leaves a client running in the background,
 and even though I had added firewall rules to block new connections to
 the server, the old 'established' connection was still up and running.
 

This might be helpful to you and others.  Since napster uses what ever
ports it can find the best way is to block the servers.

# Napster
$fwcmd add deny tcp from any to 208.178.163.56/29 via tun0
$fwcmd add deny tcp from any to 208.178.175.128/29 via tun0
$fwcmd add deny tcp from any to 208.49.239.240/28 via tun0
$fwcmd add deny tcp from any to 208.49.228.0/24 via tun0
$fwcmd add deny tcp from any to 208.184.216.0/24 via tun0

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Re: What exactly does this mean? (ld: size of symbol changed)

2000-08-10 Thread James Housley

"Jacques A. Vidrine" wrote:
 
 I hope someone might be able to clue me in.  I'm having a hard time tracking
 this down.  I've added some code to libc, and while building the world I get
 this misery in src/sbin/dhclient:
 
 cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/sbin/dhclient/../../contrib/isc-dhcp/includes 
-I/usr/src/sbin/dhclient/../../contrib/isc-dhcp 
-DCLIENT_PATH='"PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin"'-static -o dhclient clparse.o 
dhclient.o alloc.o bpf.o conflex.o convert.o dispatch.o errwarn.o ethernet.o hash.o 
icmp.o inet.o inet_addr.o memory.o nit.o options.o packet.o parse.o print.o raw.o 
socket.o tables.o tree.o upf.o
 /usr/lib/libc.a(err.o): In function `warn':
 err.o(.text+0x1e0): multiple definition of `warn'
 errwarn.o(.text+0xd8): first defined here
 /usr/libexec/elf/ld: Warning: size of symbol `warn' changed from 141 to 30 
in err.o
 *** Error code 1
 
My guess is that you (or someone) have redefined the function warn(). 
errwarn.c is dhclient.  Are you compiling dhclient from
/usr/src/contrib/isc-dhcp instead of /usr/src/sbin/dhclient?  The second
is the correct locaion.

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de driver problems

2000-06-20 Thread James Housley

I have a DLink DE-660 10Mbit PCMCIA card in my laptop.  If it is
connected to my DLink DSS-8+ 10/100 switch negoation is not always
successful and the link doesn't always come up.  If I attach it to a hub
plugged into the switch everything is fine.  I have every reason to
believe the two work to gether nicely, but I could be wrong.

I noticed about 1 week ago there was a fix to the wx driver for a
similar problem.  I know were the source files are and such, but how do
I go about trying to fix this or assist someone fixing this?

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Re: 4.0-Stable/XFree86-4.0/syscons switching crash

2000-06-08 Thread James Housley

Graham Wheeler wrote:
 
 
 Much more distressing: if I switch out of X to a text mode console with
 Ctrl-Alt-Fn, and then switch back to X, the machine freezes up
 completely and has to be power-cycled. It does first switch back into
 graphics mode, and I can see the top part of the screen is messed up, so
 it hasn't restored the low memory.
 
I had similar problems.  I removed splash_bmp from my loader.conf,
splash screen/screen saver, and the problems has gone away for me.  My
would lockup if I tried to return to X from text after the delay time.

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Using TCP_WRAPPERS in code

2000-06-04 Thread James Housley

I would like to use tcp_wrappers (libwrap) in a program.  I din't see
any examples or a reference to a web site.  I have read the man page. 
Is there a good example of a program in the FreeBSD 4 tree that is not
inetd spawned and uses libwrap?

Thanks,

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Re: Using TCP_WRAPPERS in code

2000-06-04 Thread James Housley

David Malone wrote:
 
 On Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 07:34:54PM -0400, James Housley wrote:
  I would like to use tcp_wrappers (libwrap) in a program.  I din't see
  any examples or a reference to a web site.  I have read the man page.
  Is there a good example of a program in the FreeBSD 4 tree that is not
  inetd spawned and uses libwrap?
 
 The source to tcpd, which just uses libwrap, is fairly easy to read..
 
 Have a look at /usr/src/contrib/tcp_wrappers/tcpd.c
 
I guess that qualifies as a DU.  Pointy hat to me.  I looked in that
directory and never even thought about tcpd.c

Thanks

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IPv6 and hosts.allow

2000-05-16 Thread James Housley

Is inetd wrapping and hosts.allow supposed to support IPv6 addresses? 
Because it isn't for me.  Not only that but added an IPv6 address to
hosts.allow seems to prevent processing of IPv4 anddress on that line. 
If it should and is broken I will submit a PR.  If not I will look and
see if I can submit a PR with code.  BTW this is 4.0 cvsupd and compile
with cvs-cur-6351.gz of this morning (2000/5/16)

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Re: IPv6 and hosts.allow

2000-05-16 Thread James Housley

"Hajimu UMEMOTO (梅本 肇)" wrote:
 
 Yes, I wrote IPv6 support code for tcp_wrappers.  And, actually, I'm
 using it.
 How do you specify IPv6 address?  IPv6 address has `:' in it and it
 conflict with tcp_wrappers's field separator.  So, you need to wrap
 IPv6 address with `[' and `]'.
 
Like this?  Would you like me to submit a PR with this or can you commit
the changes or better ones???

Jim
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--- hosts.allow Fri May  5 13:58:34 2000
+++ hosts.allow.new Tue May 16 16:34:05 2000
@@ -33,6 +33,8 @@
 # name) *MUST* be specified for portmap(8).
 ALL : localhost 127.0.0.1 : allow
 ALL : my.machine.example.com 192.0.2.35 : allow
+# To use IPv6 addresses you must enclose them in []'s
+ALL : [fe80::/10]
 
 # Sendmail can help protect you against spammers and relay-rapers
 sendmail : localhost : allow



Re: ps does not work after a cvsupdate to 4.0-STABLE

2000-05-09 Thread James Housley

David Miller wrote:
 
 On Sun, 7 May 2000, Henk Wevers wrote:
 
 
  Yes i did, i found the solution in the Dutch FreeBSD mailinglist
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  FAQ IIRC.
 
  libkvm is out of sync.
 
 [make libkvm and ps]
 
  This did work fine.
 
 I suffered the same problem, and got to wondering; why would make
 buildworld after the cvsup not do this?  I thought the whole point of
 buildworld was to compile and install everything as a coordinated set?
 
make buildworld does just that "builds everything".  make installworld
install everything.  You have to do both.

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IPv6

2000-05-06 Thread James Housley

Is there a IPv6 Mailing list for FreeBSD/*BSD specifically?  Has there
been any additional article since the Feb 2000 FreeBSDzine article,
which is out of date?

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Re: Upgrade from 3.4 to 4.0 with ida driver

2000-05-03 Thread James Housley

"Christopher T. Griffiths" wrote:
 
 I sent this to freebsd-questions with no luck.  I am desperately trying to
 figure out this problem.
 
 Any help would be appreciated.
 
Have you looked at this article on DaemonNews ? 

http://www.daemonnews.org/23/cpqraid.html

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Re: bad link in 'in the press'?

2000-04-17 Thread James Housley

Julian Elischer wrote:
 
 The article referenced in FreeBSD's "in the press"
 section for March 29 seems to point to a domain name that returns
 as  unkown for me..
 
 sfbg.com
 (It's registered, but I can't ping it from anywhere..)
 is that the corrent reference?
 
Works fine for me.  The IP is : 204.31.38.63

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mod_auth_mysql-2.20

2000-02-28 Thread James Housley

I am having trouble installing mod_auth_mysql-2.20 with the
apache13-php3 port.  I was able to install/configure/use it with the
plan apache13 port.  MySQL client and server are both install.  PHP3
works fine.  However it get a mod_auth_sql.c in found error from apache,
and different errors.  I have tried server different things, including
trying to compile it as a DSO.

Is there anyone that has done this, and remembers how, that would be
willing to give me acouple of pointers?

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Finding percent idle

2000-02-25 Thread James Housley

I am trying to find out the current % idle of the machine from within a
program.  I have looked at the valuse provided by sysctl and found
loadavg but not system idle.  I have also looked through the source for
top and haven't been able to figure that out.  All pointers would be
appreciated.

Jim
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Device driver KLD module

2000-02-18 Thread James Housley

History:
I had a device driver for a BDM (Background Debug Module for
Motorola 683xx CPUs) that worked fine as a kernel device and a LKM.  It
was based upon the LPT driver, because it attached to the parallel port,
and the JOY LKM, cause it was simple.

Present:
I have updated the driver, it does work as a kernel device.  It does
not work as a KLD.  It does not print its startup nor create a device. 
It was updated to match the current JOY KLD.  It also appears the JOY
KLD may not be working.

Questions:
1) Does the JOY KLD actually work?  What is the simplest way to test
it.  I have a joystick, but not sure how to read info from it.
2) If not I will fix it, if possible, while fixing my BDM.
3) Looking around it would seem that the VESA KLD might be the
simplest KLD to look at.  Is this true, or is there a better one?

My source for the BDM driver is available, for anyone who wants to peek,
is at: http://bdm.thehousleys.net/bdm.tgz .  The full page with some
more info is at: http://bdm.thehousleys.net .

Thanks for all help.

Jim
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