Re: FreeBSD installers and future direction
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Bruce Cran wrote: > > I heard there was some discussion at BSDCan about the direction of a future > FreeBSD installer. Considering we currently have bsdinstall, pc-sysinstall, > and an effort to revive sysinstall, I'd be interested to know what was > decided (if anything) and whether I could help make progress towards getting > a single really good installer/frontend - instead of the current situation > with several, none of which have a much-needed UI for setting up an > installation on ZFS. Hey Bruce, >From my vague recollection, we discussed improving bsdinstall by tying it in with pc-sysinstall, which we've been threatening to do for at least a year. Also, there was much discussion about Devin's bsdconfig perhaps tying in with a Google SoC Project. I think Devin was nominated for most of the work, since he was unable to defend himself :P Cheers, -matt ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: GSoC: PKGNG GUI Proposal Available for Review
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Kris Moore wrote: > On 05/03/2013 04:33, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> good for today and future ladmins that cannot type a command. >> >> Any USEFUL proposals that add some real functionality? >> > > Since this will enable more people to run FreeBSD that otherwise > wouldn't give it a second glance, I would say it is VERY useful. Not > everybody is born with innate knowledge of the command-line, sometimes > you have to give users tools which are intuitive before they can get > into the nitty gritty. (I.E. most people learn to drive a car and don't > have the time or desire to rebuild an engine) > >> On Fri, 3 May 2013, Justin Edward Muniz wrote: >> >>> Thank you everyone for helping me create a suitable project to >>> propose. I >>> have submitted a draft of my proposal, though I am still in the >>> process of >>> enhancing it. If anyone has the time, please check it out and I'll >>> gladly >>> accept any feedback. >>> >>> I am new to Google Summer of Code, and just discovered I could update my >>> proposal after submitting it. Initially I uploaded most of the >>> proposal but >>> I am still finishing the last parts. Any advice could help me (or >>> others) >>> develop future proposals, so I hope to hear from people even after the >>> deadline. >>> >>> My proposal can be read at the following address: >>> https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/justin_muniz/1 >>> >>> >>> I appreciate you taking the time to read this email. Happy coding >>> everyone. Great proposal, Justin! I look forward to seeing your work ;) Cheers, -matt ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Matt Olander wrote: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 3:52 PM, John Kozubik wrote: >> >> Hi Matt, >> >> >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Matt Olander wrote: >> >>> So, we've (iXsystems, PC-BSD) been kicking around the idea of a Long >>> Term Supported version of "PC-BSD Server", which is really FreeBSD >>> with some PC-BSD cli tools and perhaps maintaining our own binary >>> update server. While we were thinking of doing this with 9.1, we can >>> consider 8.x. I'll speak with Kris Moore and the rest of the team and >>> find out what it will take. >>> >>> We've hired a contract release engineer with this task in mind but >>> you're right, most of the work will be in backporting. I like the idea >>> of coming up with a number it would take and a plan to do it. We're >>> not the only people with the problem, obviously. >> >> >> >> As a last resort, I would be interested in this, but I'm more interested in >> changing the culture of FreeBSD releases and long-term support in general. >> >> I think that: >> >> a) there are a lot more people out there, that we never hear from, that have >> these same problems, and another "4.x style" release would really help them. >> >> b) there are a lot of people out there that could be drawn into the FreeBSD >> ecosystem if another "4.x style" release existed. >> >> I would much rather donate $10k to a $100k kickstarter and have this be >> "official" than set aside $10k privately for unofficial maintenance, or a >> "fork". > > I understand your position, John. FYI, PC-BSD is not a fork of > FreeBSD. We have someone on re@ as well as security@ and several src > and ports committers. We would backport to the official branch as > necessary, since that's what we use to release PC-BSD. It's really > irrelevant to me who manages the money. I'm just not sure we can start > with 8.x rather than 9.x. > > However, this is pretty much the FreeBSD way. If we want something to > change, we affect the change with our efforts. *looping in the FreeBSD Foundation Board of Directors* As John has suggested, if we come up with some requirements and vote with our wallets, perhaps the Foundation can look into bringing on a couple of people full time to assist with release engineering for a Long-Term Supported release. -matt ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 3:52 PM, John Kozubik wrote: > > Hi Matt, > > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Matt Olander wrote: > >> So, we've (iXsystems, PC-BSD) been kicking around the idea of a Long >> Term Supported version of "PC-BSD Server", which is really FreeBSD >> with some PC-BSD cli tools and perhaps maintaining our own binary >> update server. While we were thinking of doing this with 9.1, we can >> consider 8.x. I'll speak with Kris Moore and the rest of the team and >> find out what it will take. >> >> We've hired a contract release engineer with this task in mind but >> you're right, most of the work will be in backporting. I like the idea >> of coming up with a number it would take and a plan to do it. We're >> not the only people with the problem, obviously. > > > > As a last resort, I would be interested in this, but I'm more interested in > changing the culture of FreeBSD releases and long-term support in general. > > I think that: > > a) there are a lot more people out there, that we never hear from, that have > these same problems, and another "4.x style" release would really help them. > > b) there are a lot of people out there that could be drawn into the FreeBSD > ecosystem if another "4.x style" release existed. > > I would much rather donate $10k to a $100k kickstarter and have this be > "official" than set aside $10k privately for unofficial maintenance, or a > "fork". I understand your position, John. FYI, PC-BSD is not a fork of FreeBSD. We have someone on re@ as well as security@ and several src and ports committers. We would backport to the official branch as necessary, since that's what we use to release PC-BSD. It's really irrelevant to me who manages the money. I'm just not sure we can start with 8.x rather than 9.x. However, this is pretty much the FreeBSD way. If we want something to change, we affect the change with our efforts. -matt ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:40 AM, John Kozubik wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Jason Hellenthal wrote: > I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1 listed - can anyone confirm or deny 8.4 ? >>> >>> >>> Although I am not on re@, AFAIK the only schedule that is on the table >>> is the one for 9.1. >>> >> >> Release 8.3 (April 2012) has it really been 6 months yet! > > > > We (rsync.net) are deploying our new ZFS based platform on FreeBSD. This is > a platform that needs to be live in just a few weeks.[1] > > We only run release software. Further, I don't think anyone will fault us > for steering clear of 9.0-RELEASE. 9.1 is probably four months away. > > So our choices are 8, which has no roadmap, and 9 which doesn't exist. > > On the one hand, we've made this choice before, when we invested hundreds of > thousands of dollars into equipment, code, training, etc. for 6.4. We've > successfully amortized this investment over the past 4-5 years, but not > without a lot of pain. The past 24 months has been a lot of custom work, > backporting drivers, etc. We don't want to repeat this. > > On the other hand, we're not going to debut a new platform, to customers all > over the world, on 9.0. > > So ... how about a kickstarter, since that's all the rage ? What would a > reasonable total be, donated to the FreeBSD foundation, that would ensure > the maintenance of the 8.x branch for another 3 years (say, Dec 31, 2015) > and out to (to pick an arbitrary number) 8.10 ? > > Just a thought ... > > > [1] After years of evaluation and testing, spanning 6.x - 8.x. Hey John, So, we've (iXsystems, PC-BSD) been kicking around the idea of a Long Term Supported version of "PC-BSD Server", which is really FreeBSD with some PC-BSD cli tools and perhaps maintaining our own binary update server. While we were thinking of doing this with 9.1, we can consider 8.x. I'll speak with Kris Moore and the rest of the team and find out what it will take. We've hired a contract release engineer with this task in mind but you're right, most of the work will be in backporting. I like the idea of coming up with a number it would take and a plan to do it. We're not the only people with the problem, obviously. Cheers, -matt ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Adam Vande More wrote: > I've suggested this before without much response, but since this thread > seems to be encouraging repetition I'll give it another go. ;) > > I think a bounty system would be very effective(e.g. micro-donations of > recent political campaigns) in getting many of these problems resolved. > The main problem with a bounty system is getting people to pay since > certain needs/desires lose their urgency over time. To address this, the > system needs to be an escrow type setup where money is pooled until project > is complete, then payment in full is given. > > There are large barriers to entry in setting up such a system though such > as legal and financial hurdles. I don't believe the technical hurdles are > over-whelming and I would be willing develop a web front end for such a > system. Because of the barriers I believe such a system should be setup > and spun off by the FreeBSD Foundation and I don't want to do any dev > unless there is some momentum. Hi Adam, I went down this road sometime ago and went so far as to create a portal so that iXsystems could manage the transactions (collect the funds and make sure everyone got paid). We put a bit of work into it and we would be happy to hand the keys over to the Foundation if it's useful at all. http://sponsorbsd.org/ Let me know off-list if you'd like access to look at the code. It's a simple CakePHP app and needs a little bit of love but worked originally before we migrated the server. Cheers, -matt ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Mark Blackman wrote: > On 17 Jan 2012, at 21:09, Warner Losh wrote: > >> >> On Jan 17, 2012, at 11:12 AM, John Kozubik wrote: >>> Again, I'm not suggesting more snapshots - I am suggesting more real, bona >>> fide releases. This will help people. >> >> I tend to agree with you. Our release engineering process isn't serving the >> needs of users as much as it once did. When Walnut Creek was running >> release engineering, we had releases often because they wanted to make money >> from their subscriptions. This produced reasonably spaced minor releases >> and except for 4-5, decently spaced major releases. Even after the torch >> passed from walnut creek to others, there was still either residual >> pressures to make the releases happen, or inherited mindset that keep on the >> same pace. >> >> Today we have lost our way. We have no major vendor pushing the process >> along to make it happen faster. > > What exactly did the major vendor to push things along? Keep nagging? > > I'd have thought PC-BSD and iXsystems are the natural people to to take over > that role in any > case. The FreeBSD foundation seems less interested in the "for end-users" > angle as well. We'd be happy to sponsor a full-time employee at the Mall to handle rolling -STABLE into release a few more times per year. We might need a bit of help maintaining a long term release but we think it's a pretty good idea all the way around. Cheers, -matt ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Capsicum project: Ideas needed
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Ilya Bakulin wrote: > Hi hackers, > As a part of ongoing effort to enhance usage of Capsicum in FreeBSD base > system, I want to ask you, which applications in the base system should > receive sandboxing support. > So far, the following applications were sandboxed during initial > Capsicum research project: > sshd: critical system service run by root; > gzip: utility that operates with potentially buggy compression code > tcpdump: contains complex packet-parsing code, run by root; > I have added sandboxing to syslogd, because this is also a critical > system service run by root. > I'm also going to add sandboxing to xz (compression algorithms) and ntpd > (critical system service run by root). > > The question is: which applications should also be processed? I think > that the most wanted candidates are SUID programs and/or popular network > daemons. > But looking at gzip example I also think about text-processing tools in > general. > > At the moment I prefer not to focus on applications that are used only > on desktop system -- primary usage of FreeBSD is ultra-reliable serving > platform, although iXSystems guys may correct me :-) Haha, we will not disagree with you (yet!). This is a great project and I appreciate your work on it. What about inetd? Is that possible or does each service it support need sandboxing, too? How about sendmail and bind? Cheers, -matt ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: posting coding bounties, appropriate money amounts?
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Ivan Voras wrote: > Dan Naumov wrote: >> >> Hello >> >> I am curious about posting some coding bounties, my current interest >> revolves around improving the ZVOL functionality in FreeBSD: fixing >> the known ZVOL SWAP reliability/stability problems as well as making >> ZVOLs work as a dumpon device (as is already the case in OpenSolaris) >> for crash dumps. I am a private individual and not some huge Fortune >> 100 and while I am not exactly rich, I am willing to put some of my >> personal money towards this. I am curious though, what would be the >> best way to approach this: directly approaching committer(s) with the >> know-how-and-why of the areas involved or through the FreeBSD >> Foundation? And how would one go about calculating the appropriate >> amount of money for such a thing? > > Hi, > > This idea (bounties) appear approximately every 6 months and it appears > there is no better way than contacting the developers directly. AFAIK all > attempts to conglomerate such an effort have failed. One important > conclusion is that it cannot go through the Foundation since they cannot > accept targeted donations. Awhile back, we built a simple app for posting bounties, getting devs and sponsors on board, posting the committed code in a browser viewable format, and then handle final payout upon completion. iXsystems is more than willing to handle financial details and I would gladly be the first to sponsor this project on the site. http://www.sponsorbsd.org We would need a team leader *cough* Ivan *cough* that could make sure developing contributors are actually involved so that the final payoff can be shared accordingly. It's a cakephp app and I'm sure it needs a bit more polish but we could do it on the fly and it shouldn't be to hard :) Any cakephp or php devs interested in helping testing and launch, let me know. I just haven't had much time to spend on launching it although I still think it's a great idea. If somebody would like to spearhead this effort, that would be great. For companies wishing to sponsor non-community code, it also has the option of hiding the community committed code. best, -matt ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD jobs
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Julian Stacey wrote: > Hi hackers@ > A commercial firm asked for _Free_ labour today on j...@freebsd. > The censors passed it. Censors of j...@freebsd.org then blocked > the posting below. jobs@ censors again bad, block wrong things, > should all be removed & not replaced. > > Several suckers have already enquired to that firm. Hope we might get > some Free labour to donate time to Freebsd, Not Stock holders ! Hi Julian, Internships are an accepted way for a high school or university student (and nowadays some post grad students and others) to gain a bit of experience in their field before joining the work force or perhaps while switching careers. At my company, we've filled several full-time positions with people that were interns first. It's just a way to fill a part-time, sometimes non-paid job, at a company where there isn't an official requisition for that particular position. Nobody is forcing anybody to take the internship and it is clearly stated that it is a non-paid internship in the post. I imagine that there would be some interested students or unemployed people that would love to work with Alfred on a project at Juniper a few hours a week in their spare time, for free. It will look great on a resume, they will probably learn some valuable skills, and perhaps parlay it into a full-time, paid position. best, -matt > > Exact full copy of what Censors blocked: >> > ... employer Juniper Networks. ... >> > Extra consideration will be given to applicants that can work more >> > than 2 hours/day. >> > NOTE: This is an unpaid position! >> >> Juniper Networks is a commercial company, Not a charity. >> http://www.juniper.net/us/en/company/investor-relations/#earnings-sec >> Unpaid volunteers better working free for FreeBSD >> http://freebsdfoundation.org/activities.shtml >> A registered charity, >> Projects for _Unpaid_ workers >> http://wiki.freebsd.org/ >> SOC projects >> http://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash.html#event20090510:01 >> Some SOC & other projects that didnt get funding would still benefit from >> unpaid help. FreeBSD code projects & server admin >> would surely love to have an intern donating 2 or more hours a day >> free, to benefit FreeBSD globaly, not just Juniper share holders. > > Cheers, > Julian > -- > Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com > Mail plain ASCII text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. www.asciiribbon.org > ___ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
VirtualBox on FreeBSD
Looks like the VirtualBox developers at Sun ported VirtualBox to FreeBSD in their spare time: http://www.freebsdnews.net/2009/05/02/sun-virtualbox-on-freebsd/ They're looking for developers/testers to checkout the source and try it out :-) -matt ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Laptop suggestions?
On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: Matt Olander wrote: http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some things for ACPI. I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the general public in September. best, -matt h nice! battery life? I haven't done any battery life testing yet but I will. We just put NetBSD current on there late last night and one of our guys is surfing the net right now with one of the prototypes. We'll run it through some tests over this weekend on FreeBSD 7 and post some relevant specs up on the site next week. I'll let everyone know when we update :-P We've got a couple of minimalist stickers on there but we're hoping to ship it with a fun BSD sticker kit. I put the huge FreeBSD Mall bumper sticker on the lid of mine ;-) -matt ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Laptop suggestions?
On Jul 25, 2008, at 3:23 PM, Jeremy Messenger wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:34:32 -0500, Frank Mayhar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, sigh, so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't read -mobile). My criteria: * 3D acceleration. * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it anyway). * At least 15" screen. * Decent power consumption. * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. Nice to have: * Dual core. * >4GB memory. * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my breath). So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it for the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after ordering/installing it. Maybe you can wait for this: http://www.ixsystems.com/products/bsd-laptop.html Hi everyone! I actually had our prototype of this laptop up at the OSCON show in Portland and it was pretty well received. Everything works for the most part although we're still tweaking some things for ACPI. I'll have one at the FreeBSD booth at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next week, August 5-7. We'll announce as soon as this thing is 100% and we're comfortable bringing the product line up as an item that we're comfortable supporting long term. Most likely, available to the general public in September. best, -matt I didn't compare your requirements in there, thought. Cheers, Mezz -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD GNOME Team http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED] " -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113Fax: (408)943-4101 ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
On Jun 20, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Murray Stokely wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:59 PM, David E. Thiel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 02:37:48PM -0700, John Kozubik wrote: FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the ability to support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. Nonsense. This presumes anything "useful" has ever been written in flash. Believe it or not, there is useful content on the web in Flash : Google [Flash filetype:swf site:nasa.gov] (without the brackets). Yeah, seriously! Never mind all the video content I am desperate to view on Hulu! ;-) I think my latest Rosetta Stone is Flash9 now too :'( -matt -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113Fax: (408)943-4101 ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: VirtualBox?
On Tuesday 04 September 2007 8:27 am, Jeremy Messenger wrote: > On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:33:50 -0500, Ivan Voras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Is anyone working on porting VirtualBox? > > > > http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Porting_VirtualBox > > > > It mentions FreeBSD but nothing conclusive. It should be easier than > > VMWare :) > > http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VBox_vs_Others (see in host box) > http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/FreeBSD%20build%20instructions > http://www.virtualbox.org/search?q=freebsd&wiki=on&changeset=on&ticket=on > > It looks like they are working on it. I spoke with a couple of their devs on Freenode and while they are willing to assist contributors porting to FreeBSD, they are not actively working on it themselves. Their response to my inquiry was "check out source and start porting!" A few of their devs hang out in #vbox-dev on Freenode. This would be an excellent port for FreeBSD. best, -matt -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101 ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Progress on scaling of FreeBSD on 8 CPU systems
On Saturday 24 February 2007 1:31 pm, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Now that the goals of the SMPng project are complete, for the past > year or more several of us have been working hard on profiling > FreeBSD in various multiprocessor workloads, and looking for > performance bottlenecks to be optimized. > > We have recently made significant progress on optimizing for MySQL > running on an 8-core amd64 system. The graph of results may be found > here: > > http://www.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/scaling.png > > This shows the graph of MySQL transactions/second performed by a > multi-threaded client workload against a local MySQL database with > varying numbers of client threads, with identically configured > FreeBSD and Linux systems on the same machine. > > The test was run on FreeBSD 7.0, with the latest version of the ULE > 2.0 scheduler, the libthr threading library, and an uncommitted patch > from Jeff Roberson [1] that addresses poor scalability of file > descriptor locking (using a new sleepable mutex primitive); this > patch is responsible for almost all of the performance and scaling > improvements measured. It also includes some other patches > (collected in my kris-contention p4 branch) that have been shown to > help contention in MySQL workloads in the past (including a UNIX > domain socket locking pushdown patch from Robert Watson), but these > were shown to only give small individual contributions, with a > cumulative effect on the order of 5-10%. > > With this configuration we are able to achieve performance that is > consistent with Linux at peak (the graph shows Linux 2% faster, but > this is commensurate with the margin of error coming from variance > between runs, so more data is needed to distinguish them), with 8 > client threads (=1 thread/CPU core), and significantly outperforms > Linux at higher than peak loads, when running on the same hardware. > > Specifically, beyond 8 client threads FreeBSD has only minor > performance degradation (an 8% drop from peak throughput at 8 clients > to 20 clients), but Linux collapses immediately above 8 threads, and > above 14 threads asymptotes to essentially single-threaded levels. > At 20 clients FreeBSD outperforms Linux by a factor of 4. > > We see this result as part of the payoff we are seeing from the hard > work of many developers over the past 7 years. In particular it is a > significant validation of the SMP and locking strategies chosen for > the FreeBSD kernel in the post-FreeBSD 4.x world. > > More configuration details and discussion about the benchmark may be > found here: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/mysql.html Well done! Nice work guys!!! FYI, we're working with Intel to get an engineering sample of the quad core, quad CPU system for some further SMP testing. Kris, I'll let you know as soon as I have word when we're getting one and if we can keep it, we'll send it up to be included in the cluster in Canada. Yay!!! This is just fabulous. -matt > > Kris -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Projecthttp://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop!http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113Fax: (408)943-4101 ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
