Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD?

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On Fri, April 27, 2012 18:30, Freddie Cash wrote:
 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
 m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com wrote:
 My opinion is that most important obstacle in front of FreeBSD is its
 installation structure :

 It is NOT possible to install and use a FreeBSD distribution directly as it
 is .

 In Linux distributions , when a distribution is installed , the user , NOT
 root , can use its facilities WITHOUT setting a ( large ) number of 
 parameters
 which it is approximately ZERO .

 Contrary to this , when a FreeBSD is installed , an ordinary user can NOT
 use USB , CD/DVD , etc. , and even key board / mouse in X without setting
 MANY parameters in MANY files ( loder.conf , rc.conf , etc. ) .

 This point is a very important difficulty for the beginners and a really
 very tiring for experienced users .

 And that's a good thing.  :)  It forces people to learn.  And it
 allows people to create the system *they* need, instead of being
 forced to use the system the project thinks everyone needs.

 We spend a good 2-3 hours customising Ubuntu Server and Debian Linux
 installs to make them work they way *we* want them to, with the
 software *we* want, and the configurations *we* need.  Most of that
 time is spent undoing all the helpful abstractions that
 Ubuntu/Debian devs think make life simpler (and they do, *IF* you use
 a GUI to manage things, but CLI users are left in the cold).  Just
 look at the horrible mess that is GRUB2 configuration on
 Ubuntu/Debina, with shell script snippets spread through 4 different
 directories.  Great for GUI tools to parse and update, but a royal
 pain for CLI users.

that could not be more true.

Ubuntu won't even ask if you want GRUB, it installs it and will replace your 
bootloader
regardless. I hate that.

this is one reason to just use ubuntu where it is alone, and won't harm no OS. 
FreeBSD asks, and
will respect my will to choose.

matheus

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
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Re: Laptop suggestions?

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On Thu, July 24, 2008 17:21, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:39:22PM +0800, Zamri Besar wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix,
 sigh,
  so it's time to replace it.  I'm hoping for some good suggestions from
  this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't
  read -mobile).
 
  My criteria:
   * 3D acceleration.
   * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it
 anyway).
   * At least 15 screen.
   * Decent power consumption.
   * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable.
 
  Nice to have:
   * Dual core.
   * 4GB memory.
   * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my
 breath).
 
  So, suggestions?  BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it
 for
  the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after
  ordering/installing it.
 
 

 If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer
 T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check
 following
 articles for further tips/advices:

 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/laptop/index.html
 http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/
 http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html

 and off-course, freebsd-mobile archive:
 http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile

 And if you go with Lenovo, be aware that their T60/T60p/T61/T61p series
 (and possibly the X-series) are known to sport very high temperatures.
 Some people have reported temperatures of nearly 90C on their GPU (when
 idling), which has a direct effect on the overall temperature of the CPU
 (due to close proximity) and so on.  This requires the fan to be on at
 almost all times (usually low-speed mode).  Others have it worse (the
 laptop literally shutting off in the middle of operation):

 http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-06/msg00020.html

 Many of these laptops emit a strange high-pitch electrical noise which
 fluxuates in frequency and amplitude; of course, a lot of people can't
 hear it, which is good for them.  This was tracked down to some power
 saving features listed in the BIOS (of both the CPU and the chipset),
 which you can disable:
 http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises

 Be sure to look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T60p,
 specifically the very bottom of the page.  You'll notice a very large
 number of problem entries.  A lot of them have no real response from
 Lenovo.

 Draw your own conclusions.

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My Asus F3T behaves very alike. The GPU gets too much hot and then
everything else suffers. Although I never saw any temperature based forced
shutdown, I can't say its impossible. Well, I read in the net that Turions
are really much hotter, but when running windows and some linux it is not
that hot.

apart from this, and the last year harddisk load_cycle-will-kill-your-hd
bug, everything but the sound volume works fine. Atheros wifi is ok, nfe
based ethernet is ok, just never had any device to test bluetooth. the
nVidia vga also runs fine.

matheus


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