Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
Dave Feustel wrote: Strongarm-based pcs designed by Chalice Technologies http://www.chaltech.com are available from Simtek http://www.simtec.co.uk/ No pricing anywhere that I could find. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
On Wednesday 25 July 2001 8:26 am, Terry Lambert wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: Strongarm-based pcs designed by Chalice Technologies http://www.chaltech.com are available from Simtek http://www.simtec.co.uk/ No pricing anywhere that I could find. I believe that they cost about 700 ukp for a complete system (simtec do still sell them) the board alone is 350ukp (the reason for the cost is that they don't mass produce them to the same scale as pc motherboard makers) However you can get them second hand for less. AFAIR my 2nd hand box was about 400 ukp (cats board, case, psu, network, graphics, new 40GB hard disc), note that the 2nd hand box has the rev S chip with the ldmib bug, but that's not been shown to be an issue. One issue with them is that the memory is fairly specific on the timing front, and number of banks, eg it has to be PC66 in one slot, and also 2 banks, but if you leave that slot empty you can use PC100 and 4 bank in the other slot. Your also limited on graphics capability, I believe that mach64 and S3 cards work. Others may also work. The issue is that the BIOS has to emulate enough of an x86 for the graphics card to startup. Simtec have said they may improve/expand the emulation to allow them to boot more recent cards. -- Chris Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Portmaster, NetBSD/cats http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/cats/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
The fast cheap way to get going with this product is to buy a complete strongarm pc from Simtek. The slow cheap way is to just buy the motherboard and buy the rest of the components in the US. I took the slow cheap way. I can't remember any more what I paid for the motherboard. - Original Message - From: Terry Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Karsten W. Rohrbach [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Stephane E. Potvin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:26 AM Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Dave Feustel wrote: Strongarm-based pcs designed by Chalice Technologies http://www.chaltech.com are available from Simtek http://www.simtec.co.uk/ No pricing anywhere that I could find. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
David O'Brien([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.07.24 19:59:41 +: On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:49:16AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: Strongarm-based pcs designed by Chalice Technologies http://www.chaltech.com are available from Simtek http://www.simtec.co.uk/ This brings up the issue of reference platform for the StrongARM port. There is no one clear choice as there is for the PowerPC. Realistically, we probably need to pick an easily obtainable consumer StrongARM product. The Compaq iPaq comes to mind. However, it is not development-friendly at the moment as it does not have peripherals such as built-in NIC, hard drive, or serial console capabilities. the H3660 with dual pcmcia jacket gives all this (wavelan/ethernet/microdrive/sandisk/whatever). it is not very developer-friendly, though. my ipaq is on order, let's see what firmware it uses for booting... Of all the products I know of, I like the CATS board the best. However, the last time I investigated the CATS board, they were very expensive and hard to find in the USA. For some reason $600 stands out in my mind. I know of 10+ DNARDs in the BSD community, thus my preference for that machine as the reference platform. the cats is non-portable, non-mobile ;-] i don't know where to get the sa1110 reference design from intel here in europe (i guess that intel does not want european people develop on mobile equipment) but this would be a starting point. AFAIK, designs like the ipaq are close to the reference board. my old newton has nearly the same configuration like the sa1100 edk platform (brutus). when i think about strongarm platforms i do not consider implementing settop or other non-mobile scenarios because pc102 or similar pc hardware is getting really cheap at the moment and the toolchains are broadly available. /k -- Hackers do it with bugs. KR433/KR11-RIPE -- WebMonster Community Founder -- nGENn GmbH Senior Techie http://www.webmonster.de/ -- ftp://ftp.webmonster.de/ -- http://www.ngenn.net/ karstenrohrbach.de -- alphangenn.net -- alphascene.org -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG 0x2964BF46 2001-03-15 42F9 9FFF 50D4 2F38 DBEE DF22 3340 4F4E 2964 BF46 Please do not remove my address from To: and Cc: fields in mailing lists. 10x PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:39:18PM -0400, Stephane E. Potvin wrote: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #271: Sun Jul 22 08:36:22 EDT 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/users/spotvin/work/FreeBSD/src/sys/arm/ compile/NETWINDER ..snip.. I'll try to post my work next weekend so people could have a peek at it. Please do so on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. This is also important as we'd like all new platforms to follow the FreeBSD way. (granted it is being defined along with the other new platform work going on) I'm currently using a netwinder 275 for my development. It's a SA110 based machine with a 21285 (aka footbridge) host controller. You can check http://www.netwinder.org/ for more details about the machine. These machines are almost impossible to find, and very expensive when you do find one. Are you open to developing on a DEC DNARD(shark) instead? More people have these and I can put one in your hands. -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
David O'Brien([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2001.07.24 07:51:28 +: On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:39:18PM -0400, Stephane E. Potvin wrote: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #271: Sun Jul 22 08:36:22 EDT 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/users/spotvin/work/FreeBSD/src/sys/arm/ compile/NETWINDER ..snip.. I'll try to post my work next weekend so people could have a peek at it. Please do so on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. This is also important as we'd like all new platforms to follow the FreeBSD way. (granted it is being defined along with the other new platform work going on) I'm currently using a netwinder 275 for my development. It's a SA110 based machine with a 21285 (aka footbridge) host controller. You can check http://www.netwinder.org/ for more details about the machine. These machines are almost impossible to find, and very expensive when you do find one. Are you open to developing on a DEC DNARD(shark) instead? More people have these and I can put one in your hands. where can i get those platforms in europe (germany)? have you got a contact at dec? /k -- Examining the world's major religions. I'm looking for something that's light on morals, has lots of holidays, and with a short initiation period. KR433/KR11-RIPE -- WebMonster Community Founder -- nGENn GmbH Senior Techie http://www.webmonster.de/ -- ftp://ftp.webmonster.de/ -- http://www.ngenn.net/ karstenrohrbach.de -- alphangenn.net -- alphascene.org -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG 0x2964BF46 2001-03-15 42F9 9FFF 50D4 2F38 DBEE DF22 3340 4F4E 2964 BF46 Please do not remove my address from To: and Cc: fields in mailing lists. 10x PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
Strongarm-based pcs designed by Chalice Technologies http://www.chaltech.com are available from Simtek http://www.simtec.co.uk/ - Original Message - From: Karsten W. Rohrbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Stephane E. Potvin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:55 AM Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:51:28AM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:39:18PM -0400, Stephane E. Potvin wrote: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #271: Sun Jul 22 08:36:22 EDT 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/users/spotvin/work/FreeBSD/src/sys/arm/ compile/NETWINDER ..snip.. I'll try to post my work next weekend so people could have a peek at it. Please do so on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. This is also important as we'd like all new platforms to follow the FreeBSD way. (granted it is being defined along with the other new platform work going on) I'm currently using a netwinder 275 for my development. It's a SA110 based machine with a 21285 (aka footbridge) host controller. You can check http://www.netwinder.org/ for more details about the machine. These machines are almost impossible to find, and very expensive when you do find one. Are you open to developing on a DEC DNARD(shark) instead? More people have these and I can put one in your hands. I have no problems whatsoever developing on a DEC DNARD or a CATS board. I'm currently working on a netwinder for no better reason that it's the only one I have available right now. I tried in the past to get hold of something else but so far all my attemps failed. Steph To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:49:16AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: Strongarm-based pcs designed by Chalice Technologies http://www.chaltech.com are available from Simtek http://www.simtec.co.uk/ This brings up the issue of reference platform for the StrongARM port. There is no one clear choice as there is for the PowerPC. Realistically, we probably need to pick an easily obtainable consumer StrongARM product. The Compaq iPaq comes to mind. However, it is not development-friendly at the moment as it does not have peripherals such as built-in NIC, hard drive, or serial console capabilities. Of all the products I know of, I like the CATS board the best. However, the last time I investigated the CATS board, they were very expensive and hard to find in the USA. For some reason $600 stands out in my mind. I know of 10+ DNARDs in the BSD community, thus my preference for that machine as the reference platform. -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 05:55:11PM +0200, Karsten W. Rohrbach wrote: where can i get those platforms in europe (germany)? No clue. have you got a contact at dec? Dried up. -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] David O'Brien writes: : The Compaq iPaq comes to mind. However, it is not development-friendly : at the moment as it does not have peripherals such as built-in NIC, hard : drive, or serial console capabilities. I thought it did have a serial port... All of the PocketPC machines I've looked at do, but I haven't looked that close at the iPaq. All of them have some funky connector for their serial port, but that comes with the units. However, the iPaq is a little hard to develop on... There are a number of other StrongARM based Windows CE machines that would make a much better platform. They even have NetBSD/hpcarm on them, which would allow one to host the FreeSBD development on them if you really wanted to do so. The HP Journada is likely the best known of this series and the NetBSD folks have already figured out all the hair for things like boot loader and the like. Failing that, the DNARD certainly is a cool machine and might make a good reference platform. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Warner Losh writes: : There are a number of other StrongARM based Windows CE machines that : would make a much better platform. They even have NetBSD/hpcarm on : them, which would allow one to host the FreeSBD development on them if : you really wanted to do so. The HP Journada is likely the best known : of this series and the NetBSD folks have already figured out all the : hair for things like boot loader and the like. Also forgot to mention that the Journada also is readily available on Ebay for a few hundred. :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] David O'Brien writes: : On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:05:44PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: : There are a number of other StrongARM based Windows CE machines that : would make a much better platform. They even have NetBSD/hpcarm on : : These sound hard to develop for as you'll probably have to launch them : from Windows CE. Yes, you would, but that's trivial to do. It isn't hard at all. WinCE boots very quickly, and you can set things up so that the boot loader runs before the touch screen calibration. The boot loader you pick either the netbsk kernel or the FreeBSD kernel (there's a pulldown of the recent ones, iirc) and hit OK. If you aren't hacking PBSDBOOT.EXE, it is a piece of cake. Having done a fair amount of that while getting NetBSD/hpcmips going on my machine... : Failing that, the DNARD certainly is a cool machine and might make a : good reference platform. : : Especially since their firmware is just like any Real Unix hardware in : that it does serial console when the keyboard is not plugged in and does : net booting trivially. True. But the DNARDs may be harder to get than these boxes. Then again, maybe not. Just offering the Wince boxes as an option, because they also have a high coolness factor in addition to being easy to come by. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
On Tuesday 24 July 2001 7:59, David O'Brien wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:49:16AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: Strongarm-based pcs designed by Chalice Technologies http://www.chaltech.com are available from Simtek http://www.simtec.co.uk/ This brings up the issue of reference platform for the StrongARM port. There is no one clear choice as there is for the PowerPC. Realistically, we probably need to pick an easily obtainable consumer StrongARM product. The Compaq iPaq comes to mind. However, it is not development-friendly at the moment as it does not have peripherals such as built-in NIC, hard drive, or serial console capabilities. The ipaqs do have a serial port. I've been playing with linux on mine for a while now and I frequently use the serial console. Some good points about the ipaq are that it is readily available, most all the hardware specs are available from the CRL (Compaq's Cambridge Research Lab) folks at handhelds.org, and of course the coolness factor. :) -- Regards, Devin. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
FreeBSD for ARM processor
I tought that some might be interested by this: Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. sysinit-subsystem 0x0081 FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #271: Sun Jul 22 08:36:22 EDT 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/users/spotvin/work/FreeBSD/src/sys/arm/ compile/NETWINDER sysinit-subsystem 0x0100 ... some more subsystems ... sysinit-subsystem 0x0840 panic: spin lock (null) held by 0 for 5 seconds Uptime: 0s Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort If there's any interest, I will continue to keep the list posted of my progresses. Steph To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
I *am* interested by any progress on an ARM machine : I don't yet have resources to work on such a beast, but I thought on installing NetBSD on one of our ARM eval boards. If this is FreeBSD, all the better ... TfH PS : a fuller dmesg will be appreciated (along with more detail on your machine : it seems to be a (fomer-Corel) NetWinder) Stephane E. Potvin wrote: I tought that some might be interested by this: Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. sysinit-subsystem 0x0081 FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #271: Sun Jul 22 08:36:22 EDT 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/users/spotvin/work/FreeBSD/src/sys/arm/ compile/NETWINDER sysinit-subsystem 0x0100 ... some more subsystems ... sysinit-subsystem 0x0840 panic: spin lock (null) held by 0 for 5 seconds Uptime: 0s Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort If there's any interest, I will continue to keep the list posted of my progresses. Steph To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message -- Thierry Herbelot To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
From: Stephane E. Potvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FreeBSD for ARM processor Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:43:27 + I tought that some might be interested by this: Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. sysinit-subsystem 0x0081 FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #271: Sun Jul 22 08:36:22 EDT 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/users/spotvin/work/FreeBSD/src/sys/arm/ compile/NETWINDER Very cool! I'm sure there will be quite a bit of interest, especially on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. Have you posted anything there? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
At 12:43 PM + 7/22/01, Stephane E. Potvin wrote: I thought that some might be interested by this: Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. sysinit-subsystem 0x0081 FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #271: Sun Jul 22 08:36:22 EDT 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/users/spotvin/work/FreeBSD/ src/sys/arm/compile/NETWINDER Very cool. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Programmer or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rensselaer Polytechnic Instituteor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor
* Stephane E. Potvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010722 07:57] wrote: I tought that some might be interested by this: Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. sysinit-subsystem 0x0081 FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #271: Sun Jul 22 08:36:22 EDT 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/users/spotvin/work/FreeBSD/src/sys/arm/ compile/NETWINDER sysinit-subsystem 0x0100 ... some more subsystems ... sysinit-subsystem 0x0840 panic: spin lock (null) held by 0 for 5 seconds Uptime: 0s Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort If there's any interest, I will continue to keep the list posted of my progresses. It'd be really cool if you could post your work somewhere along with a description of the hardware you're using so we could check it out. Are there any simulators that you know of? -- -Alfred Perlstein [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Ok, who wrote this damn function called '??'? And why do my programs keep crashing in it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
