FreeBSD jobs
Hi hackers@ A commercial firm asked for _Free_ labour today on j...@freebsd. The censors passed it. Censors of j...@freebsd.org then blocked the posting below. jobs@ censors again bad, block wrong things, should all be removed & not replaced. Several suckers have already enquired to that firm. Hope we might get some Free labour to donate time to Freebsd, Not Stock holders ! Exact full copy of what Censors blocked: > > ... employer Juniper Networks. ... > > Extra consideration will be given to applicants that can work more > > than 2 hours/day. > > NOTE: This is an unpaid position! > > Juniper Networks is a commercial company, Not a charity. > http://www.juniper.net/us/en/company/investor-relations/#earnings-sec > Unpaid volunteers better working free for FreeBSD > http://freebsdfoundation.org/activities.shtml > A registered charity, > Projects for _Unpaid_ workers > http://wiki.freebsd.org/ > SOC projects > http://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash.html#event20090510:01 > Some SOC & other projects that didnt get funding would still benefit from > unpaid help. FreeBSD code projects & server admin > would surely love to have an intern donating 2 or more hours a day > free, to benefit FreeBSD globaly, not just Juniper share holders. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com Mail plain ASCII text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. www.asciiribbon.org ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
FreeBSD jobs
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Julian Stacey wrote: > > Hi hackers@ > > A commercial firm asked for _Free_ labour today on jobs at freebsd. > > The censors passed it. Censors of jobs at freebsd.org then blocked > > the posting below. jobs@ censors again bad, block wrong things, > > should all be removed & not replaced. > > > > Several suckers have already enquired to that firm. Hope we might get > > some Free labour to donate time to Freebsd, Not Stock holders ! > > Hi Julian, > > Internships are an accepted way for a high school or university > student (and nowadays some post grad students and others) to gain a > bit of experience in their field before joining the work force or > perhaps while switching careers. At my company, we've filled several > full-time positions with people that were interns first. It's just a > way to fill a part-time, sometimes non-paid job, at a company where > there isn't an official requisition for that particular position. > Nobody is forcing anybody to take the internship and it is clearly > stated that it is a non-paid internship in the post. > > I imagine that there would be some interested students or unemployed > people that would love to work with Alfred on a project at Juniper a > few hours a week in their spare time, for free. It will look great on > a resume, they will probably learn some valuable skills, and perhaps > parlay it into a full-time, paid position. > > best, > -matt Thanks Matt, this is my only intention. A few of the candidates I've spoken too are very excited to get something on their resume with a commercial entity and there is the hope that I may be able to hire one on them in the future. I've also promised the candidates that they will have access to some amazing resources within Juniper if (I can manage it) and at the very least I can mentor them on any FreeBSD endeavors they take on for the other non-2 hours per-day they would be working for me. While I would love to see more students working on FreeBSD, the fact of the matter is that some students already have worked on FreeBSD and would like commercial experience of "worked on a team in an office environment" that is challenging to mimic in our (FreeBSD's) distributed ways. At the end of the day, what FreeBSD-jobs is supposed to be is a place where jobs can be posted and found that will enable a FreeBSD fan to find suitable employment opportunities for a career, or to advance their career. The reason for moderation of FreeBSD-jobs is to prevent people such as Julian turning a well intentioned message into a thread of flames because he's gone imbalanced due to lack of coffee some morning. Effectively it's been a pretty swell system, FreeBSD-jobs has 0 spam (except to the poor moderators) and also insulated job seekers and posters from the typical hecklers who feel the need for extremely abusive emails due to some real or perceived mistake by the recruiter or job-seeker. I honestly feel that we've even saved plenty of people embarrassment by blocking or bouncing messages that they may have sent in haste to freebsd-jobs that after cooling off realized "the Internet is forever, why in g-d's name did I send something so mean with my name on it?!?". It's a shame it doesn't work for cross-list posts. I'm proud to be one of the moderators on FreeBSD-jobs, but I do admit most of the work is done by the other moderators. Thanks again Matt. I'm going to have to pick your brain later about how to deal with interns, care, feeding, hats? :) And Julian, chill out, I still cringe from embarrassment when someone drags out some old email _I_ sent with close to the same tone as the ones I've been seeing from you. Best of luck. -Alfred ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD jobs
Thanks for letting us know! I am sure at least a few of us here will buy less products from Juniper Networks. Rayson On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Julian Stacey wrote: > Hi hackers@ > A commercial firm asked for _Free_ labour today on j...@freebsd. > The censors passed it. Censors of j...@freebsd.org then blocked > the posting below. jobs@ censors again bad, block wrong things, > should all be removed & not replaced. > > Several suckers have already enquired to that firm. Hope we might get > some Free labour to donate time to Freebsd, Not Stock holders ! > > Exact full copy of what Censors blocked: >> > ... employer Juniper Networks. ... >> > Extra consideration will be given to applicants that can work more >> > than 2 hours/day. >> > NOTE: This is an unpaid position! >> >> Juniper Networks is a commercial company, Not a charity. >> http://www.juniper.net/us/en/company/investor-relations/#earnings-sec >> Unpaid volunteers better working free for FreeBSD >> http://freebsdfoundation.org/activities.shtml >> A registered charity, >> Projects for _Unpaid_ workers >> http://wiki.freebsd.org/ >> SOC projects >> http://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash.html#event20090510:01 >> Some SOC & other projects that didnt get funding would still benefit from >> unpaid help. FreeBSD code projects & server admin >> would surely love to have an intern donating 2 or more hours a day >> free, to benefit FreeBSD globaly, not just Juniper share holders. > > Cheers, > Julian > -- > Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com > Mail plain ASCII text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. www.asciiribbon.org > ___ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD jobs
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Julian Stacey wrote: > Hi hackers@ > A commercial firm asked for _Free_ labour today on j...@freebsd. > The censors passed it. Censors of j...@freebsd.org then blocked > the posting below. jobs@ censors again bad, block wrong things, > should all be removed & not replaced. > > Several suckers have already enquired to that firm. Hope we might get > some Free labour to donate time to Freebsd, Not Stock holders ! Hi Julian, Internships are an accepted way for a high school or university student (and nowadays some post grad students and others) to gain a bit of experience in their field before joining the work force or perhaps while switching careers. At my company, we've filled several full-time positions with people that were interns first. It's just a way to fill a part-time, sometimes non-paid job, at a company where there isn't an official requisition for that particular position. Nobody is forcing anybody to take the internship and it is clearly stated that it is a non-paid internship in the post. I imagine that there would be some interested students or unemployed people that would love to work with Alfred on a project at Juniper a few hours a week in their spare time, for free. It will look great on a resume, they will probably learn some valuable skills, and perhaps parlay it into a full-time, paid position. best, -matt > > Exact full copy of what Censors blocked: >> > ... employer Juniper Networks. ... >> > Extra consideration will be given to applicants that can work more >> > than 2 hours/day. >> > NOTE: This is an unpaid position! >> >> Juniper Networks is a commercial company, Not a charity. >> http://www.juniper.net/us/en/company/investor-relations/#earnings-sec >> Unpaid volunteers better working free for FreeBSD >> http://freebsdfoundation.org/activities.shtml >> A registered charity, >> Projects for _Unpaid_ workers >> http://wiki.freebsd.org/ >> SOC projects >> http://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash.html#event20090510:01 >> Some SOC & other projects that didnt get funding would still benefit from >> unpaid help. FreeBSD code projects & server admin >> would surely love to have an intern donating 2 or more hours a day >> free, to benefit FreeBSD globaly, not just Juniper share holders. > > Cheers, > Julian > -- > Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com > Mail plain ASCII text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. www.asciiribbon.org > ___ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD jobs
Hi Matt, > > Several suckers have already enquired to that firm. =A0Hope we might get > > some Free labour to donate time to Freebsd, Not Stock holders ! > > Hi Julian, > Internships are an accepted way for a high school or university In America. America imported unpaid apprenticeships & indentured servitude (time limited slavery) from Europe/Britain centuries ago. Britain dumped both Long since. (Germany still has some interns eg in theatre, last described as a rip off). Condolences that the "Land of the free" retains medieval European intern practice. > it is clearly stated that it is a non-paid internship in the post. Not clear at start. The word "intern" may be clear warning of No Money in American dialect, but to British eyes, it was a strange word out of context & ignored. ( Monika Lewinsky news first brought the quaint old fashioned American word & concept of Intern back across the Atlantic, but in English, Intern just means certain some workers ). Posting near end had: "San Francisco" Posting in final line had: "This is an unpaid position!" Posting should have started "USA/ San Francisco - Unpaid job" to efficiently enable global readership of jobs@ to delete unread, but American-centric censors of global jobs@ messed up as often, > I imagine that there would be some interested students or unemployed > people that would love to work with Alfred on a project at Juniper a > few hours a week in their spare time, for free. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-jobs/2009-May/000652.html "more than 2 hours/day" That's 1/4 or more of a full time job - _Unpaid_ ! No offer of money, food, transport, training courses, books, hardware to keep. It undermines labour rates for all BSD workers. The j...@freebsd.org censors blocked my polite post people instead work free for freebsd.org > It will look great on > a resume, they will probably learn some valuable skills, and perhaps > parlay it into a full-time, paid position. Managers will read: "This keen sucker can be kept at Low rates for a Long time". Better that FreeBSD people work free Not for scrounging commercial firms & share holder profit, but for charity eg: FreeBSD development projects & systems admin (eg send-pr base, (parlay into a job requiring corporate support/ trouble ticket experience ), FSF, Xorg, Greenpeace, computer automating a local library, FreeBSD training lectures to schools, fixing BSD install etc for blind / half blind etc. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com Mail plain ASCII text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. www.asciiribbon.org ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD jobs
Am 15.05.2009 um 16:43 schrieb Julian Stacey: Internships are an accepted way for a high school or university In America. America imported unpaid apprenticeships & indentured servitude (time limited slavery) from Europe/Britain centuries ago. Take this somewhere else, it's getting boring. Grown-ups should know what they're doing without your protection and the rest might learn a bit on their own. Achim Patzner ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD jobs
> >> Internships are an accepted way for a high school or university > > > > In America. America imported unpaid apprenticeships & indentured > > servitude (time limited slavery) from Europe/Britain centuries ago. > > Take this somewhere else, it's getting boring. Grown-ups should know > what they're doing without your protection and the rest might learn > a bit on their own. You'r right on adults & free choice, I'll drop that rather than drift. What I was trying to illustrate is what jobs@ censors pass & block. - jobs@ is censored, so jobs@ censors performance cant be discussed on j...@. - Those that pushed to censor jobs@ some years ago (& succesors?) are not worth having, j...@freebsd would be better without them. - Censors of jobs@ do not have the courage to announce on footer or header of jobs@ that they censor j...@freebsd. - Most don't know j...@freebsd Is censored. Most think only announce@ is moderated , & maybe a...@. - Moving to chat@ is for things that drift off from FreeSBD, but FreeBSD censorship Is relevant to FreeBSD, - Where better than hackers@ to look for support to liberate j...@freebsd from censors ? Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com Mail plain ASCII text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. www.asciiribbon.org ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD jobs
On May 15, 2009, at 7:43 AM, Julian Stacey wrote: Hi Matt, Several suckers have already enquired to that firm. =A0Hope we might get some Free labour to donate time to Freebsd, Not Stock holders ! Hi Julian, Internships are an accepted way for a high school or university In America. America imported unpaid apprenticeships & indentured servitude (time limited slavery) from Europe/Britain centuries ago. Britain dumped both Long since. (Germany still has some interns eg in theatre, last described as a rip off). Condolences that the "Land of the free" retains medieval European intern practice. *plonk* -- Marcel Moolenaar xcl...@mac.com ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: FreeBSD jobs
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 06:54:53PM +0200, Julian Stacey wrote: >- Those that pushed to censor jobs@ some years ago (& succesors?) > are not worth having, j...@freebsd would be better without them. In your opinion. Not in mine. >- Where better than hackers@ to look for support to liberate > j...@freebsd from censors ? c...@. mcl ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
