Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
Hi, On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:03:08AM -0600, Mark Carlson wrote: I've found wine + firefox + flash to work for everything I've tried so far (youtube, various websites with flash ads, one or two flash-only sites.) It did crash on me once, but I'm not sure it was related to flash. Wine is pretty good, but not perfect. If all you need is to visit flash sites, it's a decent workaround in the mean time. Also, I was very surprised how easy it was to set up (not having used wine before.) The sake of completeness, I think it's worth mentionning that when using nspluginwrapper, it is theorically possible to run the Flash plugin (and other ones too) inside QEMU. I've read this on nspluginwrapper author's website [1]: this trick is used to execute binary plugins for i386 on other platforms but this could obviously work for our problem. Unfortunately, I've never seen any documentation or instruction to set up this. I've Cc'ed the author, in case he has some time to provide additional details. [1] http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/en/projects/nspluginwrapper/help#usage Regards, -- Jeremie Le Hen jeremie at le-hen dot org ttz at chchile dot org ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
Hi, The sake of completeness, I think it's worth mentionning that when using nspluginwrapper, it is theorically possible to run the Flash plugin (and other ones too) inside QEMU. This is possible but slow and I used a very old version of QEMU. IIRC, the OpenSUSE wiki mentions how to do that with a more recent version of QEMU. However, if you run on i386, you don't need QEMU, simply use nspluginwrapper as is. I use FreeBSD 6.1 and tested FlashPlayer 9 lately, it works. Though not in a browser yet but with a standalone plugins viewer I wrote for testing and another project. I don't mean it won't work in a browser, I only mean I haven't got time to fully test with Firefox on *BSD yet. You can get trunk, which represents the upcoming nspluginwrapper 1.2.0, through: $ svn co http://svn.beauchesne.info/svn/gwenole/projects/nspluginwrapper/trunk nspluginwrapper nspluginwrapper 1.0.0 (targetted to be released this weekend) is available in a separate branch: $ svn co http://svn.beauchesne.info/svn/gwenole/projects/nspluginwrapper/branches/nspluginwrapper-1.0-branch I have not written docs for the standalone player yet (npplayer) but its usage is rather simple: npplayer src=uri/to/flash/content.swf npplayer can be useful to you so that to test whether your problems are related to your Linux emulator or the browser, or even nspluginwrapper. BTW, I would appreciate if people could test nspluginwrapper 1.0 on recent FreeBSD versions before I release it since I only have FreeBSD 6.1 and FreeBSD 5.3 at home. Thanks. Regards, Gwenole Beauchesne. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 3D for AMD64 (was Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...)
Sean Cavanaugh writes: AMD is actively working to opensource the *nic drivers for the ATI cards starting with the most recent. From a news article iI came across they were actually hiring a whole new department whose sole purpose was to add more of the older cards to the open sorce drivers as well as eventually having 3d acceleration. As for the NEW 4000 series, the card will come with full drivers for windows and Linux on the install CD. granted there is still some coding to get BSD drivers, but AMD is making life better for *nix user with ATI cards. Is there any place (web site, wiki, blog) where the public can track this effort? Robert Huff ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 3D for AMD64 (was Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...)
http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/driver/xf86-video-radeonhd;a=summary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Huff Sent: 27 June 2008 14:59 To: Sean Cavanaugh Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: RE: 3D for AMD64 (was Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...) Sean Cavanaugh writes: AMD is actively working to opensource the *nic drivers for the ATI cards starting with the most recent. From a news article iI came across they were actually hiring a whole new department whose sole purpose was to add more of the older cards to the open sorce drivers as well as eventually having 3d acceleration. As for the NEW 4000 series, the card will come with full drivers for windows and Linux on the install CD. granted there is still some coding to get BSD drivers, but AMD is making life better for *nix user with ATI cards. Is there any place (web site, wiki, blog) where the public can track this effort? Robert Huff ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3D for AMD64 (was Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...)
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:00:09 -0400 Ben Kaduk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Thierry Herbelot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there any hope for having the newly open-sourced radeon/radeon-hd AMD drivers (and the related 3D acceleration) to work under FreeBSD-AMD64 ? Well, I'm using radeonhd right now on a [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public]$ uname -a FreeBSD periphrasis.mit.edu 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #4: Wed May 14 00:27:26 EDT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PERIPHRASIS amd64 I'm not sure those are the drivers Theierry wants. The proprietary driver was called fglrx, not radeon or radeonhd. Those two drivers have been in the X open source trees for quite a while now. I first started using the radeon driver on amd64 in late 2006. The versions I have checked out for FreeBSD are documented as Radeonhd has no 2d or 3d acceleration. Radeon has both, but only works for older cards. That is also on 7-stable, but I haven't updated the sources in a while. fglrx is the only way that anyone's going to get true 3D OpenGL support, and the last time I checked that wasn't available except for ancient cards on FreeBSD. AMD was supposed to be helping ATI, but it appears that after the merger all that's happened is a website change and ATI's drivers have gotten worse... last time I tried x64 support with Linux I was sadly shocked by the poor programming that went into the driver and the difficulty I had trying to get it to work with X11. Then again things may have changed since that time too... My 2 cents, -Garrett ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 3D for AMD64 (was Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...)
fglrx is the only way that anyone's going to get true 3D OpenGL support, and the last time I checked that wasn't available except for ancient cards on FreeBSD. AMD was supposed to be helping ATI, but it appears that after the merger all that's happened is a website change and ATI's drivers have gotten worse... last time I tried x64 support with Linux I was sadly shocked by the poor programming that went into the driver and the difficulty I had trying to get it to work with X11. Then again things may have changed since that time too... My 2 cents, -Garrett AMD is actively working to opensource the *nic drivers for the ATI cards starting with the most recent. From a news article iI came across they were actually hiring a whole new department whose sole purpose was to add more of the older cards to the open sorce drivers as well as eventually having 3d acceleration. As for the NEW 4000 series, the card will come with full drivers for windows and Linux on the install CD. granted there is still some coding to get BSD drivers, but AMD is making life better for *nix user with ATI cards. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3D for AMD64 (was Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...)
Mike Meyer writes: [...] I'm not sure those are the drivers Theierry wants. The proprietary driver was called fglrx, not radeon or radeonhd. Those two drivers have been in the X open source trees for quite a while now. I first started using the radeon driver on amd64 in late 2006. The versions I have checked out for FreeBSD are documented as Radeonhd has no 2d or 3d acceleration. Radeon has both, but only works for older cards. That is also on 7-stable, but I haven't updated the sources in a while. radeonhd does offer 2d acceleration, and 3-d is a work-in-progress, with existing support for some of the newish cards. You can get more info here: http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd Actually, the entire thing is still a work-in-progress, but the community is supportive. If you try to build from the git sources, you'll need to have the devel/xorg-macros port/package installed for the autogen.sh step to work. g. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
Greetings, Mark Carlson wrote: On 6/24/08, Naram Qashat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian Stacey wrote: Do you have a How To RTFM Cook book / script URL please ? I'd like to chime in here and say there is nothing special to get this configuration to work. Download the Windows version of Firefox and install it via Wine, then download the Windows version of Flash for Firefox and install that with Wine. Once you do that, you have Flash in Firefox using Wine. Like has been said, Wine is far from perfect, but this works great until a native Flash can be made for FreeBSD. Naram Qashat I'm not at my box right now, but it went something like this: 0. Install wine ( emulators/wine ) 1. Download firefox for windows ( http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html ) 2. Run: wine Firefox Setup 3.0.exe 3. Complete the installer 4. To run firefox you need to do something like: wine C:/Program Files/Mozilla Firefox/firefox.exe (I forget the exact path / command name) 5. Navigate to the adobe flash download page ( use goole or something ) and download the flash installer for windows. 6. When the download is complete, run it ( should be able to do this from the download manager in firefox ) 7. Complete the flash installer ( this will require you to close firefox, so do that ) 8. Start firefox again (see the wine firefox.exe command from above) 9. Create a script to start firefox under wine since the command is so ugly. I might write up some better instructions when I have the time, but I really don't have a good place to put them. I tried this before and have a bad luck of not having working audio on flash, but today with new wine and FF3 it works. Btw there is a small nasty problem copy/paste from wine app to native apps does not work. Ideas how to workaround this? -Mark C. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best Wishes, Stefan Lambrev ICQ# 24134177 ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3D for AMD64 (was Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...)
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Thierry Herbelot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there any hope for having the newly open-sourced radeon/radeon-hd AMD drivers (and the related 3D acceleration) to work under FreeBSD-AMD64 ? Well, I'm using radeonhd right now on a [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public]$ uname -a FreeBSD periphrasis.mit.edu 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #4: Wed May 14 00:27:26 EDT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PERIPHRASIS amd64 I don't think I have anything that uses 3d installed at the moment, but the 2d seems like it's getting accelerated (non-accelerated dual-monitors can be painfully slow). -Ben Kaduk ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3D for AMD64 (was Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...)
Le Wednesday 25 June 2008, Ben Kaduk a écrit : On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Thierry Herbelot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there any hope for having the newly open-sourced radeon/radeon-hd AMD drivers (and the related 3D acceleration) to work under FreeBSD-AMD64 ? Well, I'm using radeonhd right now on a [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public]$ uname -a FreeBSD periphrasis.mit.edu 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #4: Wed May 14 00:27:26 EDT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PERIPHRASIS amd64 good news ! I don't think I have anything that uses 3d installed at the moment, but the 2d seems like it's getting accelerated (non-accelerated dual-monitors can be painfully slow). what are the details for your machine ? (graphics board make, motherboard chipset etc) I was thinking of buying a new machine with AMD 780G or 790GX chipsets, whose integrated graphics board is supposed to be driven by radeonhd. TfH ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3D for AMD64 (was Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...)
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Thierry Herbelot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le Wednesday 25 June 2008, Ben Kaduk a écrit : On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Thierry Herbelot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there any hope for having the newly open-sourced radeon/radeon-hd AMD drivers (and the related 3D acceleration) to work under FreeBSD-AMD64 ? Well, I'm using radeonhd right now on a [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public]$ uname -a FreeBSD periphrasis.mit.edu 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #4: Wed May 14 00:27:26 EDT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PERIPHRASIS amd64 good news ! I don't think I have anything that uses 3d installed at the moment, but the 2d seems like it's getting accelerated (non-accelerated dual-monitors can be painfully slow). what are the details for your machine ? (graphics board make, motherboard chipset etc) I was thinking of buying a new machine with AMD 780G or 790GX chipsets, whose integrated graphics board is supposed to be driven by radeonhd. There's a dmesg and pciconf at http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/sipb.mit.edu/user/kaduk/freebsd/periphrasis/ The motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L, so Intel P35 northbridge and Intel ICH9 southbridge; the actual video card came with very little documentation, but purpots to be a Radeon B2 256 HD2400PRO PCIe by VisionTek. The HD2400Pro part certainly seems accurate, at least. When setting up radeonhd for the card, I did need to toggle the hotplug detection bit in xorg.conf to get dual-monitor support; I haven't updated xorg since I filed that report, so I don't know if's been fixed already. -Ben Kaduk ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3D for AMD64 (was Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...)
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:00:09 -0400 Ben Kaduk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Thierry Herbelot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there any hope for having the newly open-sourced radeon/radeon-hd AMD drivers (and the related 3D acceleration) to work under FreeBSD-AMD64 ? Well, I'm using radeonhd right now on a [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public]$ uname -a FreeBSD periphrasis.mit.edu 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #4: Wed May 14 00:27:26 EDT 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PERIPHRASIS amd64 I'm not sure those are the drivers Theierry wants. The proprietary driver was called fglrx, not radeon or radeonhd. Those two drivers have been in the X open source trees for quite a while now. I first started using the radeon driver on amd64 in late 2006. The versions I have checked out for FreeBSD are documented as Radeonhd has no 2d or 3d acceleration. Radeon has both, but only works for older cards. That is also on 7-stable, but I haven't updated the sources in a while. mike -- Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information. O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:52:30 +0300 Stefan Lambrev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried this before and have a bad luck of not having working audio on flash, but today with new wine and FF3 it works. Btw there is a small nasty problem copy/paste from wine app to native apps does not work. Ideas how to workaround this? It's only the traditional X, select and middle-click, that doesn't work in my experience The windows-style explicit cut/copy/paste works for me with KDE in both directions. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 09:21:53PM +0100, RW wrote: Btw there is a small nasty problem copy/paste from wine app to native apps does not work. Ideas how to workaround this? It's only the traditional X, select and middle-click, that doesn't work in my experience The windows-style explicit cut/copy/paste works for me with KDE in both directions. You could also use deskutils/autocutsel to help with this. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 08:39 +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Quoting John Kozubik [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT)): First, a bounty has been posted here: http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html Maybe the bounty would be better spent here, This was from an email on the gnome list from Joe Marcus Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] As to the point about Flash, Kris also mentioned that he has the ear of someone at Adobe who was hinting that a capable developer willing to sign an NDA could be given code to work on a native Flash plug-in port. This could bode well for PC-BSD and FreeBSD should someone step up to do this work. Perfect. This is exactly what the bounty: http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html is for. I suggest that if you think this is important (as I do) to post a commitment to the bounty, and presumably someone will step forward to speak with Kris, sign an NDA, and get the FreeBSD desktop back to a reasonable level of utility. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 08:41 -0700, John Kozubik wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 08:39 +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Quoting John Kozubik [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT)): First, a bounty has been posted here: http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html Maybe the bounty would be better spent here, This was from an email on the gnome list from Joe Marcus Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] As to the point about Flash, Kris also mentioned that he has the ear of someone at Adobe who was hinting that a capable developer willing to sign an NDA could be given code to work on a native Flash plug-in port. This could bode well for PC-BSD and FreeBSD should someone step up to do this work. Perfect. This is exactly what the bounty: http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html is for. I suggest that if you think this is important (as I do) to post a commitment to the bounty, and presumably someone will step forward to speak with Kris, sign an NDA, and get the FreeBSD desktop back to a reasonable level of utility. I wonder how much of a task it would be? Does anyone have any idea what language the clients are written in? ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
On 6/19/08, John Kozubik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't shoot the messenger: FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the ability to support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. Running IE in Wine is not a solution. Running another OS in vmware to simply browse the web is not a solution. Free flash alternatives and flash movie players, etc., are, unfortunately, not a solution. ports/linux-flashplayer9 _is_ a solution, however it (currently) fails badly. Solution: First, a bounty has been posted here: http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html We aren't even asking for new code, per se - anyone merely posting a recipe that allows linux-flashplayer9 to run, without crashing and with reasonable performance, with a generic browser (opera, firefox, konqueror) can claim the bounty. In fact, a recipe that is entirely inside the Linux Binary Compatibility layer would be just fine - running the linux version of a browser through binary compat is reasonable[1]. Second, I am calling on the FreeBSD Foundation to commit time and money to ensuring that flash functionality is recognized as a high priority for FreeBSD desktop use. I am willing to donate funds for this purpose. Flash 9 will not be the baseline forever, and it is inefficient to ramp up a grass roots bounty effort each time Adobe releases a new product. For this reason I believe it is reasonable for the project itself to ensure that Flash support is delivered and maintained in a timely fashion. [1] Since we're all probably already running Linux Binary Compat anyway... I've found wine + firefox + flash to work for everything I've tried so far (youtube, various websites with flash ads, one or two flash-only sites.) It did crash on me once, but I'm not sure it was related to flash. Wine is pretty good, but not perfect. If all you need is to visit flash sites, it's a decent workaround in the mean time. Also, I was very surprised how easy it was to set up (not having used wine before.) -Mark C. P.S. That's some ugly cross-posting you've started there... ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Scott T. Hildreth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 08:41 -0700, John Kozubik wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 08:39 +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Quoting John Kozubik [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT)): First, a bounty has been posted here: http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html Maybe the bounty would be better spent here, This was from an email on the gnome list from Joe Marcus Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] As to the point about Flash, Kris also mentioned that he has the ear of someone at Adobe who was hinting that a capable developer willing to sign an NDA could be given code to work on a native Flash plug-in port. This could bode well for PC-BSD and FreeBSD should someone step up to do this work. Perfect. This is exactly what the bounty: http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html is for. I suggest that if you think this is important (as I do) to post a commitment to the bounty, and presumably someone will step forward to speak with Kris, sign an NDA, and get the FreeBSD desktop back to a reasonable level of utility. I wonder how much of a task it would be? Does anyone have any idea what language the clients are written in? Look into Spidermonkey for more details: http://www.mozilla.org/js/spidermonkey/ It was designed to be the bridge between ActiveScript and Mozilla, allowing the Adobe folks to code Flash in terms of ActiveScript, instead of completely in C, thus making things more portable. I offered to work with the Mozilla group to get ActiveScript ported over to FreeBSD but I haven't received a reply in a year of having posted my bug report. (not designed to be troll-bait, just my personal opinion on the matter -- don't comment on it please) FWIW, Personally I don't think that Flash support is as critical as getting working x64 compatible OpenGL enabled video drivers, but then again my opinion differs from your's most likely. -Garrett ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
Mark Carlson wrote: On 6/19/08, John Kozubik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Elided ... [1] Since we're all probably already running Linux Binary Compat anyway... I've found wine + firefox + flash to work for everything I've tried so Do you have a How To RTFM Cook book / script URL please ? -Mark C. P.S. That's some ugly cross-posting you've started there... Agreed. IMO Not conformant with freebsd.org cross posting guidelines. I dropped a list + various individuals inc. original John Don't shoot the messenger Kozubik, as I don't want his system's auto responder challengin me again. Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com Mail plain ASCII text. HTML Base64 text are spam. www.asciiribbon.org ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
Julian Stacey wrote: Mark Carlson wrote: On 6/19/08, John Kozubik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Elided ... [1] Since we're all probably already running Linux Binary Compat anyway... I've found wine + firefox + flash to work for everything I've tried so Do you have a How To RTFM Cook book / script URL please ? I'd like to chime in here and say there is nothing special to get this configuration to work. Download the Windows version of Firefox and install it via Wine, then download the Windows version of Flash for Firefox and install that with Wine. Once you do that, you have Flash in Firefox using Wine. Like has been said, Wine is far from perfect, but this works great until a native Flash can be made for FreeBSD. Naram Qashat -Mark C. P.S. That's some ugly cross-posting you've started there... Agreed. IMO Not conformant with freebsd.org cross posting guidelines. I dropped a list + various individuals inc. original John Don't shoot the messenger Kozubik, as I don't want his system's auto responder challengin me again. Julian ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
On 6/24/08, Naram Qashat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian Stacey wrote: Do you have a How To RTFM Cook book / script URL please ? I'd like to chime in here and say there is nothing special to get this configuration to work. Download the Windows version of Firefox and install it via Wine, then download the Windows version of Flash for Firefox and install that with Wine. Once you do that, you have Flash in Firefox using Wine. Like has been said, Wine is far from perfect, but this works great until a native Flash can be made for FreeBSD. Naram Qashat I'm not at my box right now, but it went something like this: 0. Install wine ( emulators/wine ) 1. Download firefox for windows ( http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html ) 2. Run: wine Firefox Setup 3.0.exe 3. Complete the installer 4. To run firefox you need to do something like: wine C:/Program Files/Mozilla Firefox/firefox.exe (I forget the exact path / command name) 5. Navigate to the adobe flash download page ( use goole or something ) and download the flash installer for windows. 6. When the download is complete, run it ( should be able to do this from the download manager in firefox ) 7. Complete the flash installer ( this will require you to close firefox, so do that ) 8. Start firefox again (see the wine firefox.exe command from above) 9. Create a script to start firefox under wine since the command is so ugly. I might write up some better instructions when I have the time, but I really don't have a good place to put them. -Mark C. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:36:42 -0400 Naram Qashat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian Stacey wrote: Mark Carlson wrote: On 6/19/08, John Kozubik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Elided ... [1] Since we're all probably already running Linux Binary Compat anyway... I've found wine + firefox + flash to work for everything I've tried so Do you have a How To RTFM Cook book / script URL please ? I'd like to chime in here and say there is nothing special to get this configuration to work. Download the Windows version of Firefox and install it via Wine, then download the Windows version of Flash for Firefox and install that with Wine. Once you do that, you have Flash in Firefox using Wine. Like has been said, Wine is far from perfect, but this works great until a native Flash can be made for FreeBSD. Not only that, but you've restricted Flash's access to your Wine environment. Give that it - by design - loads and executes code from unknown and hence untrustworthy individuals, this is a good thing in and of itself. mike -- Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information. O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[CC trimmed] Le Tuesday 24 June 2008, Garrett Cooper a écrit : On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Scott T. Hildreth [SNIP] (not designed to be troll-bait, just my personal opinion on the matter -- don't comment on it please) FWIW, Personally I don't think that Flash support is as critical as getting working x64 compatible OpenGL enabled video drivers, but then again my opinion differs from your's most likely. is there any hope for having the newly open-sourced radeon/radeon-hd AMD drivers (and the related 3D acceleration) to work under FreeBSD-AMD64 ? TfH ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 01:40:44PM -0600, Mark Carlson wrote: 0. Install wine ( emulators/wine ) 1. Download firefox for windows ( http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all.html ) 2. Run: wine Firefox Setup 3.0.exe 3. Complete the installer 4. To run firefox you need to do something like: wine C:/Program Files/Mozilla Firefox/firefox.exe (I forget the exact path / command name) 5. Navigate to the adobe flash download page ( use goole or something ) and download the flash installer for windows. 6. When the download is complete, run it ( should be able to do this from the download manager in firefox ) 7. Complete the flash installer ( this will require you to close firefox, so do that ) 8. Start firefox again (see the wine firefox.exe command from above) 9. Create a script to start firefox under wine since the command is so ugly. This works surprisingly well. One note - you may want to undefine LC_CTYPE if you have it set to a non-standard value, as FF seems to crash otherwise. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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,--- You/Mark (Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:41:07 -0600) * | I'm not at my box right now, but it went something like this: | ... | I might write up some better instructions when I have the time, but | I really don't have a good place to put them. `---* The instructions you've given are quite adequate and VERY helpful: I've never used Wine, and didn't imagine I could resolve the Flash pains so quickly and cheaply. ,--- David E. Thiel (Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:56:14 -0700) * | This works surprisingly well. One note - you may want to undefine | LC_CTYPE if you have it set to a non-standard value, as FF seems to | crash otherwise. `-* I should add that I am now running Windows Opera on my FreeBSD 7.0 system -- and here, too, everything works surprisingly well, although the non-native character of the browser can't be not noticed, and the fonts' looks are much inferior to the ones in `linux-opera'. Thank you very much for the valuable advice! -- Alex -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- /* * To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. * * -- Thomas Edison */ ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:59 PM, David E. Thiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 02:37:48PM -0700, John Kozubik wrote: FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the ability to support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. Nonsense. This presumes anything useful has ever been written in flash. Believe it or not, there is useful content on the web in Flash : Google [Flash filetype:swf site:nasa.gov] (without the brackets). - Murray ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
On Jun 20, 2008, at 12:01 AM, Murray Stokely wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:59 PM, David E. Thiel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 02:37:48PM -0700, John Kozubik wrote: FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the ability to support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. Nonsense. This presumes anything useful has ever been written in flash. Believe it or not, there is useful content on the web in Flash : Google [Flash filetype:swf site:nasa.gov] (without the brackets). Yeah, seriously! Never mind all the video content I am desperate to view on Hulu! ;-) I think my latest Rosetta Stone is Flash9 now too :'( -matt -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - Servers for Open Source http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113Fax: (408)943-4101 ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 08:39:06AM +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Quoting John Kozubik [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT)): First, a bounty has been posted here: http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html From the site: ---snip--- I will pay $200 to whoever can compose a working and stable recipe for running Adobe Flash 9 inside of the FreeBSD native version of Opera 9 on FreeBSD 6.x. This shouldn't be that hard - in fact, there is already a linux-flashplugin9 port. ---snip--- Comments from other people with some more money not included here... And now the sad reality check: linux-flashplugin9 will _never_ work on 6.x (lack of linux 2.6 emulation, and this is not a MFC candidate). Getting it to work on 7.x is possible. All what you need is nspluginwrapper to get it running in the native firefox/opera/whatever, and someone who is willing to debug the linuxulator (on -current, as there is a more complete 2.6 compatibility there, and this can be MFCed to 7.x) and find the bug/problem which is causing the crashes. Whoever is willing to tackle this: head over to emulation@ (CCed) and ask what debugging possibilities we have in the linuxulator. I tried to debug the flash9 and failed badly. It might be that I overlooked something trivial but... the flash9 is a big binary-only monster and basically the only trace of what its doing you can get is a syscall-trace. Which is not that much useful. I didnt find any missing syscalls or something like that and the fail is a complete mystery for me otoh I looked at this a LOONG time ago. I might want to look at it again (after some other things settle) anyway... I dont think that flash9 crashes are related to 2.6 emulation in any way. iirc it runs (and crashes) on 2.4 as well. I remember it crashes in $the_thing_that_ff_uses_to_report_bugs which was some proprietary app which got replaced in ff3.0, you might want to check what happened. anyway - if someone wants to debug this, feel free to contact me, I am willing to help roman _ ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
Believe it or not, there is useful content on the web in Flash : Google [Flash filetype:swf site:nasa.gov] (without the brackets). There might be useful content, but that surely doesnt mean FreeBSD itself as a desktop isnt usable, I think saying using firefox/flash for flash based websites is difficult at best. but FreeBSD as a desktop is plainly very usable ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
Quoting John Kozubik [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT)): First, a bounty has been posted here: http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html From the site: ---snip--- I will pay $200 to whoever can compose a working and stable recipe for running Adobe Flash 9 inside of the FreeBSD native version of Opera 9 on FreeBSD 6.x. This shouldn't be that hard - in fact, there is already a linux-flashplugin9 port. ---snip--- Comments from other people with some more money not included here... And now the sad reality check: linux-flashplugin9 will _never_ work on 6.x (lack of linux 2.6 emulation, and this is not a MFC candidate). Getting it to work on 7.x is possible. All what you need is nspluginwrapper to get it running in the native firefox/opera/whatever, and someone who is willing to debug the linuxulator (on -current, as there is a more complete 2.6 compatibility there, and this can be MFCed to 7.x) and find the bug/problem which is causing the crashes. Whoever is willing to tackle this: head over to emulation@ (CCed) and ask what debugging possibilities we have in the linuxulator. Note: AFAIK linux-flashplugin9 is not completely stable on linux either... Bye, Alexander. -- Leela: Well, goodnight. I'm gonna go make my dinners for the next month and freeze them. http://www.Leidinger.netAlexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137 ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
Quoting Roman Divacky [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:04:16 +0200): On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 08:39:06AM +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Quoting John Kozubik [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT)): First, a bounty has been posted here: http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html From the site: ---snip--- I will pay $200 to whoever can compose a working and stable recipe for running Adobe Flash 9 inside of the FreeBSD native version of Opera 9 on FreeBSD 6.x. This shouldn't be that hard - in fact, there is already a linux-flashplugin9 port. ---snip--- Comments from other people with some more money not included here... And now the sad reality check: linux-flashplugin9 will _never_ work on 6.x (lack of linux 2.6 emulation, and this is not a MFC candidate). Getting it to work on 7.x is possible. All what you need is nspluginwrapper to get it running in the native firefox/opera/whatever, and someone who is willing to debug the linuxulator (on -current, as there is a more complete 2.6 compatibility there, and this can be MFCed to 7.x) and find the bug/problem which is causing the crashes. Whoever is willing to tackle this: head over to emulation@ (CCed) and ask what debugging possibilities we have in the linuxulator. I tried to debug the flash9 and failed badly. It might be that I overlooked something trivial but... the flash9 is a big binary-only monster and basically the only trace of what its doing you can get is a syscall-trace. Which is not that much I think enabling the the linuxulator debug stuff and maybe adding some more printfs at some places can reveal some more stuff... with some in-deep reviewing of what happens. useful. I didnt find any missing syscalls or something like that and the fail is a complete mystery for me otoh I looked at this a LOONG time ago. Which is in indication that there are some (subtle) differences between the linuxulator and the real linux we have to track down. I might want to look at it again (after some other things settle) anyway... I dont think that flash9 crashes are related to 2.6 emulation in any way. iirc it runs (and crashes) on 2.4 as well. I remember it crashes in Hmmm... now I'm not sure anymore, but I thought we had reports that it runs better with 2.6... Bye, Alexander. -- I wish I was a sex-starved manicurist found dead in the Bronx!! http://www.Leidinger.netAlexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137 ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 08:39 +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: Quoting John Kozubik [EMAIL PROTECTED] (from Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT)): First, a bounty has been posted here: http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html Maybe the bounty would be better spent here, This was from an email on the gnome list from Joe Marcus Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] As to the point about Flash, Kris also mentioned that he has the ear of someone at Adobe who was hinting that a capable developer willing to sign an NDA could be given code to work on a native Flash plug-in port. This could bode well for PC-BSD and FreeBSD should someone step up to do this work. From the site: ---snip--- I will pay $200 to whoever can compose a working and stable recipe for running Adobe Flash 9 inside of the FreeBSD native version of Opera 9 on FreeBSD 6.x. This shouldn't be that hard - in fact, there is already a linux-flashplugin9 port. ---snip--- Comments from other people with some more money not included here... And now the sad reality check: linux-flashplugin9 will _never_ work on 6.x (lack of linux 2.6 emulation, and this is not a MFC candidate). Getting it to work on 7.x is possible. All what you need is nspluginwrapper to get it running in the native firefox/opera/whatever, and someone who is willing to debug the linuxulator (on -current, as there is a more complete 2.6 compatibility there, and this can be MFCed to 7.x) and find the bug/problem which is causing the crashes. Whoever is willing to tackle this: head over to emulation@ (CCed) and ask what debugging possibilities we have in the linuxulator. Note: AFAIK linux-flashplugin9 is not completely stable on linux either... Bye, Alexander. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
Don't shoot the messenger: FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the ability to support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. Running IE in Wine is not a solution. Running another OS in vmware to simply browse the web is not a solution. Free flash alternatives and flash movie players, etc., are, unfortunately, not a solution. ports/linux-flashplayer9 _is_ a solution, however it (currently) fails badly. Solution: First, a bounty has been posted here: http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html We aren't even asking for new code, per se - anyone merely posting a recipe that allows linux-flashplayer9 to run, without crashing and with reasonable performance, with a generic browser (opera, firefox, konqueror) can claim the bounty. In fact, a recipe that is entirely inside the Linux Binary Compatibility layer would be just fine - running the linux version of a browser through binary compat is reasonable[1]. Second, I am calling on the FreeBSD Foundation to commit time and money to ensuring that flash functionality is recognized as a high priority for FreeBSD desktop use. I am willing to donate funds for this purpose. Flash 9 will not be the baseline forever, and it is inefficient to ramp up a grass roots bounty effort each time Adobe releases a new product. For this reason I believe it is reasonable for the project itself to ensure that Flash support is delivered and maintained in a timely fashion. [1] Since we're all probably already running Linux Binary Compat anyway... - John Kozubik - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.kozubik.com ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 John Kozubik wrote: | | Don't shoot the messenger: | | | FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the ability to | support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. gnash-devel provides flash 9 and works pretty well... | | | Running IE in Wine is not a solution. | | Running another OS in vmware to simply browse the web is not a solution. | | Free flash alternatives and flash movie players, etc., are, unfortunately, | not a solution. | | ports/linux-flashplayer9 _is_ a solution, however it (currently) fails | badly. | | | Solution: | | | First, a bounty has been posted here: | | http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html | | We aren't even asking for new code, per se - anyone merely posting a | recipe that allows linux-flashplayer9 to run, without crashing and with | reasonable performance, with a generic browser (opera, firefox, konqueror) | can claim the bounty. In fact, a recipe that is entirely inside the Linux | Binary Compatibility layer would be just fine - running the linux version | of a browser through binary compat is reasonable[1]. | | Second, I am calling on the FreeBSD Foundation to commit time and money to | ensuring that flash functionality is recognized as a high priority for | FreeBSD desktop use. I am willing to donate funds for this purpose. | Flash 9 will not be the baseline forever, and it is inefficient to ramp up | a grass roots bounty effort each time Adobe releases a new product. For | this reason I believe it is reasonable for the project itself to ensure | that Flash support is delivered and maintained in a timely fashion. | | | | [1] Since we're all probably already running Linux Binary | Compat anyway... | | | - | John Kozubik - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.kozubik.com - -- Pietro Cerutti [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public Key: http://gahr.ch/pgp -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEAREKAAYFAkha1zsACgkQwMJqmJVx9470WgCg4APA6m3khgf4iIsrNAXcPbM/ Pr4An10QgMMM/Oalne+GGUzO/wha1HaX =2CKx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 02:37:48PM -0700, John Kozubik wrote: FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the ability to support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. Nonsense. This presumes anything useful has ever been written in flash. Free flash alternatives and flash movie players, etc., are, unfortunately, not a solution. While they certainly don't support everything perfectly, swfdec works fairly well for a large number of sites - notably YouTube and similar FLV wrappers, which is what most people ultimately use Flash for. Even if someone got Flash 9 working, we'll just be playing catch-up when Flash 10 is released and everything starts requiring it. While I honestly wish you the best of luck, I do think that developer effort is much better spent improving free implementations of Flash, as the spec is fairly open. If there are some particular things that don't work well for you with swfdec/gnash, why not offer a bounty to have those fixed? This would be more helpful to more people, like those not running FreeBSD, and those of us who don't use Linux binary compat - of which I suspect there are more than you assume. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
