Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought..
Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > Ah, the K7V already has as many PCI slots as you can drive off the existing > > > > bridge, and who wants ISA slots these days? Oh, there is the WaveLan ISA > > > > card I need... > > > > > > Right, that is exactly what I mean. I rather see a ISA/PCI combo slot that I > > > might use than this AMR thing I will 100% sure never use. > > > > The writeup on the ASUS home page indicated this slot will function as > > a PCI slot. When I was reading it, it looked sort of like the old > > VL-bus, which you could use as an ISA slot. > > You're confusing this with an old, unrelated connector which was aligned > with a PCI slot. This is a completely different animal. Very definately. This time I followed the links until I came to HTTP://www.asus.com/products/motherboard/Pentiumpro/Cuwe-fx/amrslot.html This one had an image of one. There wasn't anyway to confuse the two :). Kent > > -- > \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith > \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] > \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.3-cities.com/~kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ SETI(Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) @ HOME http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought..
> > > Ah, the K7V already has as many PCI slots as you can drive off the existing > > > bridge, and who wants ISA slots these days? Oh, there is the WaveLan ISA > > > card I need... > > > > Right, that is exactly what I mean. I rather see a ISA/PCI combo slot that I > > might use than this AMR thing I will 100% sure never use. > > The writeup on the ASUS home page indicated this slot will function as > a PCI slot. When I was reading it, it looked sort of like the old > VL-bus, which you could use as an ISA slot. You're confusing this with an old, unrelated connector which was aligned with a PCI slot. This is a completely different animal. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought..
Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 05:06:33PM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > And a horrible way to loose valuable PCB real estate that could have housed a > > > PCI/ISA slot. A modem line interface on an L-shaped 'blech' with a cable > > > to the mom board would be better IMHO. Would allow the owner to throw > > > it away and put PCI/ISA expansion on the machine ;) > > > > Ah, the K7V already has as many PCI slots as you can drive off the existing > > bridge, and who wants ISA slots these days? Oh, there is the WaveLan ISA > > card I need... > > Right, that is exactly what I mean. I rather see a ISA/PCI combo slot that I > might use than this AMR thing I will 100% sure never use. The writeup on the ASUS home page indicated this slot will function as a PCI slot. When I was reading it, it looked sort of like the old VL-bus, which you could use as an ISA slot. Kent > > -- > Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org > http://www.nlfug.nl > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.3-cities.com/~kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ SETI(Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) @ HOME http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought..
On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 05:06:33PM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > And a horrible way to loose valuable PCB real estate that could have housed a > > PCI/ISA slot. A modem line interface on an L-shaped 'blech' with a cable > > to the mom board would be better IMHO. Would allow the owner to throw > > it away and put PCI/ISA expansion on the machine ;) > > Ah, the K7V already has as many PCI slots as you can drive off the existing > bridge, and who wants ISA slots these days? Oh, there is the WaveLan ISA > card I need... Right, that is exactly what I mean. I rather see a ISA/PCI combo slot that I might use than this AMR thing I will 100% sure never use. -- Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought..
The Athlon architecture is changing from slot-A to socket-A, so you might want to wait for the new chips. -Kevin On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 09:39:53AM +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > > > On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > > > > I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the > > > > $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and > > > > FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. > > > > > > We have one at work and it works fine. We had to put some extra cooling on > > > the motherboard chipset though. > > > > What motherboard are you using? > > I'm not sure - Nick Hibma might know since its his desktop machine. I > could probably open it up and check. > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Nonlinear Systems Ltd.Phone: +44 20 8442 9037 > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought..
On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 09:39:53AM +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > > I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the > > > $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and > > > FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. > > > > We have one at work and it works fine. We had to put some extra cooling on > > the motherboard chipset though. > > What motherboard are you using? I'm not sure - Nick Hibma might know since its his desktop machine. I could probably open it up and check. -- Doug Rabson Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 20 8442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought..
On Saturday, 10 June 2000 at 11:02:48 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Friday, 9 June 2000 at 19:06:09 +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 10:29:45AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >>> On Thursday, 8 June 2000 at 17:33:13 -0600, Wes Peters wrote: Wilko Bulte wrote: > > I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the > $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and > FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. EPoX == trash. Avoid like the plague. >>> >>> Buy EPoX. They're good. >> >> Greg, what model EPox do you have? > > It's a 7KX. Do they make any others for Athlon? Correction, I see it written here as EP-7KXA. Greg -- Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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On Friday, 9 June 2000 at 19:06:09 +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 10:29:45AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Thursday, 8 June 2000 at 17:33:13 -0600, Wes Peters wrote: >>> Wilko Bulte wrote: I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. >>> >>> EPoX == trash. Avoid like the plague. >> >> Buy EPoX. They're good. > > Greg, what model EPox do you have? It's a 7KX. Do they make any others for Athlon? Greg -- Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought.. BAD ASUS Story
Mike Smith wrote: > > > "Nicole Harrington." wrote: > > > > > > Sad to say.. I have another bad experience with the NEW asus K7A MB. It will > > > not allow a Mylex AccellRaid 150 to break out of the bootup sequence to > > > be configured. :( > > > > That may be as well due to the bugs in Mylex soft. > > In this case, that's not correct. Or at least, if it is, Adaptec, AMI, > ICP Vortex, Compaq, IBM, Symbios and just about every other vendor of > add-in cards with boot vector interests have a similar set of bugs. Then I was wrong. Sorry. Just I have seen too much problems with the Mylex configuration utility which tends to hang at various places to suspect it first. -SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought.. BAD ASUS Story
> "Nicole Harrington." wrote: > > > > Sad to say.. I have another bad experience with the NEW asus K7A MB. It will > > not allow a Mylex AccellRaid 150 to break out of the bootup sequence to > > be configured. :( > > That may be as well due to the bugs in Mylex soft. In this case, that's not correct. Or at least, if it is, Adaptec, AMI, ICP Vortex, Compaq, IBM, Symbios and just about every other vendor of add-in cards with boot vector interests have a similar set of bugs. > I have used different > Mylex cards on a few occasions (the last one was testing SCSI drivers > for my employer) and _always_ had some problems with > them. Sometimes upgrading the Mylex drivers and/or configuration > utility helps, sometimes does not. I hate Mylex terribly and would > strongly recommend staying as far away from Mylex as possible. I have a lot of Mylex hardware around here (obviously enough), and I can't say their stuff is any worse than anyone else's. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought.. BAD ASUS Story
"Nicole Harrington." wrote: > > Sad to say.. I have another bad experience with the NEW asus K7A MB. It will > not allow a Mylex AccellRaid 150 to break out of the bootup sequence to > be configured. :( That may be as well due to the bugs in Mylex soft. I have used different Mylex cards on a few occasions (the last one was testing SCSI drivers for my employer) and _always_ had some problems with them. Sometimes upgrading the Mylex drivers and/or configuration utility helps, sometimes does not. I hate Mylex terribly and would strongly recommend staying as far away from Mylex as possible. -SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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Narvi writes: > On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Michael Bacarella wrote: > > > > > I appreciate the KA7 PCI/ISA combo slot instead of the useless AMR thingy >Asys > > > > > has on their praised K7V (mind you, I like Asus as such, excellent > > > > > experiences with them over the years). > > > > Ugh. I was suprised that I couldn't find an Asus K7V without a stupid AMR > > > > slot, especially since I only heard good things about the board > > > > itself. I made an honest attempt but just ended up ordering it > > > > anyway. I've tried to figure out what that slot does but I've only come > > > > across market-speak. > > > > > > > > What does it do? > > > If AMR == Asus Media Slot, then it's a slot that is simultaneously PCI and > > > ISA, so you can have a PCi video card and ISA soundcard on one card. > > They're about a third of the size of a PCI slot, so I don't see how that > > would be conveniant. :) > But isn't it at the end of a PCI slot? If no, then they actually did come > with a next stupid thing that has the same abreviation. You are speaking about totally another thing then AMR AMR is industry standart slot and is placed on board instead PCI -- @BABOLO http://links.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 11:38:54AM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > > Ugh. I was suprised that I couldn't find an Asus K7V without a stupid AMR > > > slot, especially since I only heard good things about the board > > > itself. I made an honest attempt but just ended up ordering it > > > anyway. I've tried to figure out what that slot does but I've only come > > > across market-speak. > > > > > > What does it do? > > > > It conects to the AC97 modem codec in the VIA chipset; you put the modem > > line interface on a card and stick it in there. ie. it's a neat way to > > again reduce the cost of a WinModem. > > And a horrible way to loose valuable PCB real estate that could have housed a > PCI/ISA slot. A modem line interface on an L-shaped 'blech' with a cable > to the mom board would be better IMHO. Would allow the owner to throw > it away and put PCI/ISA expansion on the machine ;) Ah, the K7V already has as many PCI slots as you can drive off the existing bridge, and who wants ISA slots these days? Oh, there is the WaveLan ISA card I need... -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought.. BAD ASUS Story
> > > Sad to say.. I have another bad experience with the NEW asus K7A MB. It will > not allow a Mylex AccellRaid 150 to break out of the bootup sequence to > be configured. :( Try putting "SCSI" above anything else in the "boot order" menu. I've been trying for some time now to work out how these stupid menus are sorted, and how they determine what constitutes "SCSI" as opposed to eg. an int19 device. I fear that it's not very deterministic. 8( > Ad that to the new BIOS that won't allow keyboardless reboots :( Bitch to ASUS about this, I guess. 8( -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought.. BAD ASUS Story
Sad to say.. I have another bad experience with the NEW asus K7A MB. It will not allow a Mylex AccellRaid 150 to break out of the bootup sequence to be configured. :( Ad that to the new BIOS that won't allow keyboardless reboots :( These came in a RED box. Nicole On 09-Jun-00 Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 08:54:28PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: >> I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the >> $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and >> FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. > > Anybody using the Abit KA7? If yes, do you like it? > > I appreciate the KA7 PCI/ISA combo slot instead of the useless AMR thingy > Asys > has on their praised K7V (mind you, I like Asus as such, excellent > experiences with them over the years). > > W/ > -- > Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org > http://www.nlfug.nl > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\ __ /| (`\ http://www.unixgirl.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | o_o |__ ) ) http://www.dangermouse.org/ // \\ ---(((---(((- -- Powered by Coka-Cola and FreeBSD -- -- Strong enough for a man - But made for a Woman -- -- OWNED? MS: Who's Been In/Virused Your Computer Today? -- --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought..
On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 11:38:54AM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > Ugh. I was suprised that I couldn't find an Asus K7V without a stupid AMR > > slot, especially since I only heard good things about the board > > itself. I made an honest attempt but just ended up ordering it > > anyway. I've tried to figure out what that slot does but I've only come > > across market-speak. > > > > What does it do? > > It conects to the AC97 modem codec in the VIA chipset; you put the modem > line interface on a card and stick it in there. ie. it's a neat way to > again reduce the cost of a WinModem. And a horrible way to loose valuable PCB real estate that could have housed a PCI/ISA slot. A modem line interface on an L-shaped 'blech' with a cable to the mom board would be better IMHO. Would allow the owner to throw it away and put PCI/ISA expansion on the machine ;) -- Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought..
> > Ugh. I was suprised that I couldn't find an Asus K7V without a stupid AMR > slot, especially since I only heard good things about the board > itself. I made an honest attempt but just ended up ordering it > anyway. I've tried to figure out what that slot does but I've only come > across market-speak. > > What does it do? It conects to the AC97 modem codec in the VIA chipset; you put the modem line interface on a card and stick it in there. ie. it's a neat way to again reduce the cost of a WinModem. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought..
On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Michael Bacarella wrote: > > > > > I appreciate the KA7 PCI/ISA combo slot instead of the useless AMR thingy Asys > > > > has on their praised K7V (mind you, I like Asus as such, excellent > > > > experiences with them over the years). > > > > > > Ugh. I was suprised that I couldn't find an Asus K7V without a stupid AMR > > > slot, especially since I only heard good things about the board > > > itself. I made an honest attempt but just ended up ordering it > > > anyway. I've tried to figure out what that slot does but I've only come > > > across market-speak. > > > > > > What does it do? > > > > > > > If AMR == Asus Media Slot, then it's a slot that is simultaneously PCI and > > ISA, so you can have a PCi video card and ISA soundcard on one card. > > They're about a third of the size of a PCI slot, so I don't see how that > would be conveniant. :) > But isn't it at the end of a PCI slot? If no, then they actually did come with a next stupid thing that has the same abreviation. A switched away from asus some time before athlon came out. > Michael Bacarella > New York Connect Net > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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> > > I appreciate the KA7 PCI/ISA combo slot instead of the useless AMR thingy Asys > > > has on their praised K7V (mind you, I like Asus as such, excellent > > > experiences with them over the years). > > > > Ugh. I was suprised that I couldn't find an Asus K7V without a stupid AMR > > slot, especially since I only heard good things about the board > > itself. I made an honest attempt but just ended up ordering it > > anyway. I've tried to figure out what that slot does but I've only come > > across market-speak. > > > > What does it do? > > > > If AMR == Asus Media Slot, then it's a slot that is simultaneously PCI and > ISA, so you can have a PCi video card and ISA soundcard on one card. They're about a third of the size of a PCI slot, so I don't see how that would be conveniant. :) Michael Bacarella New York Connect Net To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Michael Bacarella wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 08:54:28PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the > > > $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and > > > FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. > > > > Anybody using the Abit KA7? If yes, do you like it? > > > > I appreciate the KA7 PCI/ISA combo slot instead of the useless AMR thingy Asys > > has on their praised K7V (mind you, I like Asus as such, excellent > > experiences with them over the years). > > Ugh. I was suprised that I couldn't find an Asus K7V without a stupid AMR > slot, especially since I only heard good things about the board > itself. I made an honest attempt but just ended up ordering it > anyway. I've tried to figure out what that slot does but I've only come > across market-speak. > > What does it do? > If AMR == Asus Media Slot, then it's a slot that is simultaneously PCI and ISA, so you can have a PCi video card and ISA soundcard on one card. IIRC, that is. > Michael Bacarella > New York Connect Net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought..
On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 01:59:58PM -0400, Michael Bacarella wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 08:54:28PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the > > > $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and > > > FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. > > > > Anybody using the Abit KA7? If yes, do you like it? > > > > I appreciate the KA7 PCI/ISA combo slot instead of the useless AMR thingy Asys > > has on their praised K7V (mind you, I like Asus as such, excellent > > experiences with them over the years). > > Ugh. I was suprised that I couldn't find an Asus K7V without a stupid AMR > slot, especially since I only heard good things about the board > itself. I made an honest attempt but just ended up ordering it > anyway. I've tried to figure out what that slot does but I've only come > across market-speak. Audio Modem Riser card slot. For audio/and/or/modem use. WinModem I suspect.. If yes, worse than useless. -- Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought..
On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 08:54:28PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the > > $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and > > FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. > > Anybody using the Abit KA7? If yes, do you like it? > > I appreciate the KA7 PCI/ISA combo slot instead of the useless AMR thingy Asys > has on their praised K7V (mind you, I like Asus as such, excellent > experiences with them over the years). Ugh. I was suprised that I couldn't find an Asus K7V without a stupid AMR slot, especially since I only heard good things about the board itself. I made an honest attempt but just ended up ordering it anyway. I've tried to figure out what that slot does but I've only come across market-speak. What does it do? Michael Bacarella New York Connect Net To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 08:54:28PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the > $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and > FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. Anybody using the Abit KA7? If yes, do you like it? I appreciate the KA7 PCI/ISA combo slot instead of the useless AMR thingy Asys has on their praised K7V (mind you, I like Asus as such, excellent experiences with them over the years). W/ -- Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 10:29:45AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 8 June 2000 at 17:33:13 -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > > Wilko Bulte wrote: > >> > >> I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the > >> $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and > >> FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. > > > > EPoX == trash. Avoid like the plague. > > Buy EPoX. They're good. Greg, what model EPox do you have? -- Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 09:39:53AM +0100, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the > > $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and > > FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. > > We have one at work and it works fine. We had to put some extra cooling on > the motherboard chipset though. What motherboard are you using? -- Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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> > > EPoX == trash. Avoid like the plague. > > Buy EPoX. They're good. > > > ASUS K7v == good. > > ASUS K7v == slow. > > May 3 08:00:02 wantadilla /kernel: microuptime() went > backwards (65202.831743 -> 65202,804412) > In fact, I've seen the microuptime stuff doing bonnies on FreeBSD 4.0-release with my Asus K7v. I've cvsupped to 4.0-stable, rebuild and not seen the problem since. (and yes, I have run bonnie) I like my Asus. I've always used Abit before this. The Asus is just more complete. A few jumper caps and all the cabling you need. It comes with four USB ports. Too bad I don't have any USB hardware yet. Kees Jan == Everyone is responsible for his own actions, and (people tend to forget this) the effect they have on others. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: Comments on Athlon [motherboards] sought..
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the > $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and > FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. We have one at work and it works fine. We had to put some extra cooling on the motherboard chipset though. -- Doug Rabson Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 20 8442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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I have heard of a few problems with the k7m... but I don't have any firsthand experience with them. FIC on the other hand has made some pretty good motherboards, and are probably the last company that needs to be bashed as far as quality goes. ASUS and FIC are probably the two best mobo companies, to me anyway, never had any trouble with either one at all. Soren Schmidt had the audacity to say: > > What ? I have no probs whatsoever with my K7M doing that... > > > So far I like the FIC and Aopen boards. > > Dont _ever_ buy FIC, there are no ends of trouble with them > > -Søren > > -- Coleman Kane President, UC Free O.S. Users Group - http://pohl.ececs.uc.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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On Thursday, 8 June 2000 at 21:00:22 -0400, Luke wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Wes Peters wrote: >> Wilko Bulte wrote: >>> >>> I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the >>> $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and >>> FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. >> >> ASUS K7v == good. > > I second that, I got one last week and its working great. > The only thing odd about it is temperature monitors all report it being > at 255C. Other than that its working well. This looks like a software bug. 255°C is hotter than is possible, and it's also "all bits on" in a single byte. Greg -- Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Wes Peters wrote: > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the > > $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and > > FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. > > ASUS K7v == good. I second that, I got one last week and its working great. The only thing odd about it is temperature monitors all report it being at 255C. Other than that its working well. Luke To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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On Thursday, 8 June 2000 at 17:33:13 -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > Wilko Bulte wrote: >> >> I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the >> $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and >> FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. > > EPoX == trash. Avoid like the plague. Buy EPoX. They're good. > ASUS K7v == good. ASUS K7v == slow. I don't think that categorical statements like these help very much. I know you've had trouble with your EPoX boards, but you didn't ever find out whether this was a setup problem or a problem with the board. I had some setup problems with my EPoX board when I bought it, the dreaded: May 3 08:00:02 wantadilla /kernel: microuptime() went backwards (65202.831743 -> 65202,804412) I removed (not just disabled) apm from the kernel, and I haven't seen the problem since. In fact, I have had absolutely no problems. The fact that a disabled apm system can make a difference suggests that this isn't just a problem with the motherboard. A number of others have reported the same thing on this motherboard. Greg -- Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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On 08-Jun-00 Soren Schmidt wrote: > It seems Nicole Harrington. wrote: >> >> On 08-Jun-00 Wilko Bulte wrote: >> > I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the >> > $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and >> > FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. >> > >> > Thks >> > Wilko >> >> I have good experiences so far with the Athlon stuff. However (sad to say) >> avoid the Asus MB if you need to reboot without a keyboard attached. > > What ? I have no probs whatsoever with my K7M doing that... > Hmmm.. We got these new ones in a red box.. The bios doesn't have a "ignore no Key/mouse" :( It is one of there newer boards. >> So far I like the FIC and Aopen boards. > > Dont _ever_ buy FIC, there are no ends of trouble with them > So far I have had good luck with them... strangly enough. > -Søren [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\ __ /| (`\ http://www.unixgirl.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | o_o |__ ) ) http://www.dangermouse.org/ // \\ ---(((---(((- -- Powered by Coka-Cola and FreeBSD -- -- Strong enough for a man - But made for a Woman -- -- OWNED? MS: Who's Been In/Virused Your Computer Today? -- --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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Wilko Bulte wrote: > > I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the > $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and > FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. EPoX == trash. Avoid like the plague. ASUS K7v == good. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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I *LOVE* my Tyan S2380 K7 Trinity MB. = -Chris Watson (316) 326-3862 | FreeBSD Consultant, FreeBSD Geek Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Open Systems Inc., Wellington, Kansas Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://open-systems.net = WINDOWS: "Where do you want to go today?" LINUX: "Where do you want to go tommorow?" BSD: "Are you guys coming or what?" = To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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It seems Nicole Harrington. wrote: > > On 08-Jun-00 Wilko Bulte wrote: > > I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the > > $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and > > FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. > > > > Thks > > Wilko > > I have good experiences so far with the Athlon stuff. However (sad to say) > avoid the Asus MB if you need to reboot without a keyboard attached. What ? I have no probs whatsoever with my K7M doing that... > So far I like the FIC and Aopen boards. Dont _ever_ buy FIC, there are no ends of trouble with them -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 11:57:25AM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > fl == Florins? Yep! -- Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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On 08-Jun-00 Wilko Bulte wrote: > I'm considering buying an Athlon based machine. Before shelling out the > $ (well, fl ) I'd like to know what experiences have with Athlon and > FreeBSD. And obviously which mom boards to prefer or keep away from. > > Thks > Wilko I have good experiences so far with the Athlon stuff. However (sad to say) avoid the Asus MB if you need to reboot without a keyboard attached. So far I like the FIC and Aopen boards. Nicole > > -- > Wilko Bulte FreeBSD, the power to serve http://www.freebsd.org > http://www.nlfug.nl > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\ __ /| (`\ http://www.unixgirl.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | o_o |__ ) ) http://www.dangermouse.org/ // \\ ---(((---(((- -- Powered by Coka-Cola and FreeBSD -- -- Strong enough for a man - But made for a Woman -- -- OWNED? MS: Who's Been In/Virused Your Computer Today? -- --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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