Re: VMware--anyone playing with it?

1999-05-18 Thread Jason Thorpe
On Mon, 17 May 1999 23:40:03 +0200 
 Andreas Braukmann braukm...@tse-online.de wrote:

  ... and the Connectix Virtual PC is available for FreeBSD?

No, it's a MacOS program.

  that's for sure, ... from a theoretically point of view at least.
  But I suppose, that the virtual machine approach would lead to more
  performant designs?

dunno... the VirtualPC certainly didn't seem to have any performance
shortcomings.  And, on a 350MHz PowerPC G3, who cares if it's emulated
at the instruction level?

-- Jason R. Thorpe thor...@nas.nasa.gov



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Re: VMware--anyone playing with it?

1999-05-17 Thread Jacques Vidrine
On 15 May 1999 at 20:08, John  Jennifer Reynolds jreyn...@primenet.com wrote:
[snip]
 Is anyone playing with that VMware stuff? 
[snip]

It doesn't run on FreeBSD, only on Linux and Windows NT.  Pity, because 
it is very neat.

Jacques Vidrine / n...@nectar.cc / nec...@freebsd.org



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Re: VMware--anyone playing with it?

1999-05-17 Thread Graham Wheeler
John  Jennifer Reynolds wrote:
 
   http://www.vmware.com
 
 Is anyone playing with that VMware stuff? They say they have tested
 FreeBSD 2.2.8, 3.0, and 3.1 as guest OS's when using the linux
 software (whatever that means :) ... just wondering if anybody has
 messed with this. Sure would be nice to have it run under FreeBSD so
 I could use those occasionally-needed Windud apps that I keep my Win98
 partition around for ...

When the beta was first announced, there was a small but concerted 
effort amongst readers of this list to send mail to VMWare requesting
that they consider supporting FreeBSD as a host O/S, not just a 
guest O/S. So, add your voice and send them some mail...
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Re: VMware--anyone playing with it?

1999-05-17 Thread Jason Thorpe
On Mon, 17 May 1999 01:11:40 -0500 
 Jacques Vidrine n...@nectar.cc wrote:

  It doesn't run on FreeBSD, only on Linux and Windows NT.  Pity, because 
  it is very neat.

I think the Connectix Virtual PC is cooler; VMware only runs on Linux
and NT because it requires gross hacks to redirect e.g. I/O space access.

Really, a full emulator is more interesting than a virtual machine.

-- Jason R. Thorpe thor...@nas.nasa.gov



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Re: VMware--anyone playing with it?

1999-05-17 Thread Jacques Vidrine
On 17 May 1999 at 8:19, Jason Thorpe thor...@nas.nasa.gov wrote:
 I think the Connectix Virtual PC is cooler; VMware only runs on Linux
 and NT because it requires gross hacks to redirect e.g. I/O space access.

I haven't seen it... do you have a reference?

Jacques Vidrine / n...@nectar.cc / nec...@freebsd.org


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RE: VMware--anyone playing with it?

1999-05-17 Thread Charles Randall
http://www.connectix.com/html/connectix_virtualpc.html

-Original Message-
From: Jacques Vidrine [mailto:n...@nectar.cc]
Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 3:12 PM
To: Jason Thorpe
Cc: John  Jennifer Reynolds; freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: VMware--anyone playing with it? 


On 17 May 1999 at 8:19, Jason Thorpe thor...@nas.nasa.gov wrote:
 I think the Connectix Virtual PC is cooler; VMware only runs on Linux
 and NT because it requires gross hacks to redirect e.g. I/O space access.

I haven't seen it... do you have a reference?

Jacques Vidrine / n...@nectar.cc / nec...@freebsd.org


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Re: VMware--anyone playing with it?

1999-05-17 Thread Joe Abley
On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 03:22:31PM -0600, Charles Randall wrote:
 http://www.connectix.com/html/connectix_virtualpc.html

But this only runs on the Mac, right?

 -Original Message-
 From: Jacques Vidrine [mailto:n...@nectar.cc]
 Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 3:12 PM
 To: Jason Thorpe
 Cc: John  Jennifer Reynolds; freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
 Subject: Re: VMware--anyone playing with it? 
 
 
 On 17 May 1999 at 8:19, Jason Thorpe thor...@nas.nasa.gov wrote:
  I think the Connectix Virtual PC is cooler; VMware only runs on Linux
  and NT because it requires gross hacks to redirect e.g. I/O space access.
 
 I haven't seen it... do you have a reference?
 
 Jacques Vidrine / n...@nectar.cc / nec...@freebsd.org


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Re: VMware--anyone playing with it?

1999-05-17 Thread Andreas Braukmann
Hi Jason,

On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 08:19:25AM -0700, Jason Thorpe wrote:
 On Mon, 17 May 1999 01:11:40 -0500 
   It doesn't run on FreeBSD, only on Linux and Windows NT.  Pity, because 
   it is very neat.
 I think the Connectix Virtual PC is cooler; VMware only runs on Linux
 and NT because it requires gross hacks to redirect e.g. I/O space access.
... and the Connectix Virtual PC is available for FreeBSD?
 
 Really, a full emulator is more interesting than a virtual machine.
that's for sure, ... from a theoretically point of view at least.
But I suppose, that the virtual machine approach would lead to more
performant designs?


-Andreas

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RE: VMware--anyone playing with it?

1999-05-17 Thread Charles Randall
From: Joe Abley [mailto:jab...@clear.co.nz]
 http://www.connectix.com/html/connectix_virtualpc.html

 But this only runs on the Mac, right?

Seems like it. I think that Jason was only commenting on the coolness
factor when compared to VMWare.

Although I haven't tried it, VMWare seems damn cool while still maintaining
somewhat reasonable performance because it ISN'T an emulator.

-Charles - Thinking of installing Linux just to try the VMWare beta.



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Re: VMware--anyone playing with it?

1999-05-17 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Mon, 17 May 1999, Graham Wheeler wrote:

 When the beta was first announced, there was a small but concerted 
 effort amongst readers of this list to send mail to VMWare requesting
 that they consider supporting FreeBSD as a host O/S, not just a 
 guest O/S. So, add your voice and send them some mail...

The latest update which has arrived in my inbox states the following in the
changelog:

o Support for FreeBSD 3.0 and 3.1 guest operating systems
o Support for OpenBSD and BSD/OS 4.0 guest operating systems (experimental)

Which is still not as good as host support, but it indicates they at least are
willing to support us. Perhaps down the track we'll see FreeBSD host support.

Kris

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