Re: make bug? (dependency names with '$')
Warner Losh wrote: This does sound like a bug in our make :-(. A quick update: This bug does not occur with NetBSD make. I spent a couple of hours diffing the sources (there are a lot more differences than I expected) to see if there was any one small patch that would make things work for FreeBSD, but I wasn't successful. There are many patches in NetBSD make that deal specifically with '$', but apparently just adding these is not sufficient. I would need to get below this superficial view to see what's going on. There is a person with login name "will" who made a CVS log entry that says: Assume MAINTAINER. I will be taking the job of merging NetBSD/OpenBSD improvements (including :C :L, among others). After that, I'll be coming up with other ways to improve make(1). If he is still the make maintainer for FreeBSD, can someone give me a full email address for him? Thanks, Jason Jason Brazile [EMAIL PROTECTED] Netcetera AG, 8040 Zuerichphone +41 1 247 70 70 fax +41 1 247 70 75 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
RE: make bug? (dependency names with '$')
Kees Jan wrote: Jason Brazile wrote: This bug does not occur with NetBSD make. I spent a couple of hours diffing the sources (there are a lot more differences than I expected) There was some talk on the OpenPackages list about differences in the makes of the three BSD's. I've only followed the discussion with half an eye, but it would be nice for them too to see the makes converge, or at least iron out differences here and there. http://openpackages.org/pipermail/op-tech/ Thanks for the pointer. That is a very interesting site. For those who haven't heard of it, it is an effort to unify the various BSD (NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, BSDi, Darwin) 3rd party software packaging so that all BSDs can use the same system. As a side effect of their wanting to remove effort duplication, they are trying to also unify the various flavors of BSD make. Jason Jason Brazile [EMAIL PROTECTED] Netcetera AG, 8040 Zuerichphone +41 1 247 70 70 fax +41 1 247 70 75 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
RE: make bug? (dependency names with '$')
Dear All, This bug does not occur with NetBSD make. I spent a couple of hours diffing the sources (there are a lot more differences than I expected) There was some talk on the OpenPackages list about differences in the makes of the three BSD's. I've only followed the discussion with half an eye, but it would be nice for them too to see the makes converge, or at least iron out differences here and there. http://openpackages.org/pipermail/op-tech/ Kees Jan You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: make bug? (dependency names with '$')
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Brazile writes: : I want to construct a portable Makefile to build a java application. That's not possible. Java specifies a half assed make system as part of the language, so it is nearly impossible to use another make system on top of it unless you are willing to live with a whole slew of problems. : When a java source file contains an inner class, it creates class : I could live with having to use something like the "yy" target if it : worked with BSD make, because it works with GNU make. This seems like a bug in make(1). Although I think you might want to investigate: d=$$ X=foo\$dbar.class x: echo $(X) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: make bug? (dependency names with '$')
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Warner Losh writes: : This seems like a bug in make(1). Although I think you might want to : investigate: : : d=$$ : X=foo\$dbar.class : : x: : echo $(X) d=$$ X=foo$dbar.class x: $(X) echo "$(X)" Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
RE: make bug? (dependency names with '$')
Dear Jason, I want to construct a portable Makefile to build a java application. I've played with Java and Make in the past, but I found that spawning a new instance of the Java compiler is more expensive than compiling a pretty big bunch of files. gcc starts up a lot quicker than a JVM. My solution (ahem) is to compile per (sub)package of my application and simply let the JAR file depend on all of the source files. Compiling this way is quicker in the majority of cases that I have. Have you looked at Apache's Ant project? I don't like it myself, but if you want a portable make, you might as well use a Java one. :) Kees Jan You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: make bug? (dependency names with '$')
Warner wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Brazile writes: : I want to construct a portable Makefile to build a java application. That's not possible. Java specifies a half assed make system as part of the language, so it is nearly impossible to use another make system on top of it unless you are willing to live with a whole slew of problems. Until someone started using inner classes, my Makefiles were being fairly successful at "living with a whole slew of problems". :-) d=$$ X=foo$dbar.class x:$(X) echo "$(X)" Thanks for the suggestion. I named this target "w" in order to add to what I already had: X=foo$bar.class XX=foo$$bar.class XXX=foo\$$bar.class d=$$ W=foo$dbar.class .PHONY: x xx xxx yy w x: $(X) echo $(X) xx: $(XX) echo $(XX) xxx: $(XXX) echo $(XXX) yy: $(XX) echo $(XXX) w: $(W) echo "$(W)" However, other than the quotes, it doesn't seem to work differently from my previous "xx" target: $ make w make: don't know how to make fooar.class. Stop $ gmake w echo "foo$bar.class" foo.class $ make xx make: don't know how to make fooar.class. Stop $ gmake xx echo foo$bar.class foo.class Kees Jan wrote: Have you looked at Apache's Ant project? I don't like it myself, but if you want a portable make, you might as well use a Java one. :) Hmm, well thanks for reminding me about ant. I guess I should really consider it, unless I am ready to admit to being an old dog. Jason Jason Brazile [EMAIL PROTECTED] Netcetera AG, 8040 Zuerichphone +41 1 247 70 70 fax +41 1 247 70 75 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: make bug? (dependency names with '$')
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Brazile writes: : Warner wrote: : In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Brazile writes: : : I want to construct a portable Makefile to build a java application. : : That's not possible. Java specifies a half assed make system as part : of the language, so it is nearly impossible to use another make system : on top of it unless you are willing to live with a whole slew of : problems. : : Until someone started using inner classes, my Makefiles were being : fairly successful at "living with a whole slew of problems". :-) There are bigger problems when you have .java files generated. That's why java's make like system is half assed, and the wrong half at that. There's no hook there to generate .java files. If you needed to support multiple versions of java w/o warnings, for example, you'd need to run your .java code through a preprocessor (since java's conditionals are too weak to allow for this possibility). That's when you start hitting heap bigtime problems. This does sound like a bug in our make :-(. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: make bug? (dependency names with '$')
Jason Brazile writes: : I want to construct a portable Makefile to build a java application. That's not possible. Java specifies a half assed make system as part of the language, so it is nearly impossible to use another make system on top of it unless you are willing to live with a whole slew of problems. That's not true. I built a 100K line application using make w/out any problems. (It builds on Win9X, NT, FreeBSD, and Solaris). Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
RE: make bug? (dependency names with '$')
I want to construct a portable Makefile to build a java application. I've played with Java and Make in the past, but I found that spawning a new instance of the Java compiler is more expensive than compiling a pretty big bunch of files. gcc starts up a lot quicker than a JVM. Jikes is your friend. We switched from using javac because of this. Nate ps. This should probably be moved to freebsd-java. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: make bug? (dependency names with '$')
Jason Brazile [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I want to construct a portable Makefile to build a java application. Don't bother. a) use jikes instead of javac, it's much faster and gives better diagnostics. Agreed. b) to rebuild, just list all the source (.java) files on the jikes command line. Jikes will figure out what needs rebuilding and what doesn't. If there are too many files, list them all (each on one line) in a text file (e.g. 'sources') and specify '@sources' on the command line. Disagree. If you want it to be portable, don't use a non-standard extension to a tool, such as jikes dependency features. We used jikes for our day-day development, but move back to using 'javac' for our Q/A and final builds. That way we can complain to Sun when things don't work. ;) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: make bug? (dependency names with '$')
Nate Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Disagree. If you want it to be portable, don't use a non-standard extension to a tool, such as jikes dependency features. We used jikes for our day-day development, but move back to using 'javac' for our Q/A and final builds. That way we can complain to Sun when things don't work. ;) So what's the problem? javac also automatically builds dependencies, it's just not as good at it as jikes. For a final build, you want to start with a clean tree anyway, so javac's inability to correctly detect if a dependency is out of date is irrelevant. Also, my experience is that unless you're paying Sun significant amounts of $$, their reaction to bug reports is to close their eyes, hum real loud and hope they go away. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: make bug? (dependency names with '$')
Disagree. If you want it to be portable, don't use a non-standard extension to a tool, such as jikes dependency features. We used jikes for our day-day development, but move back to using 'javac' for our Q/A and final builds. That way we can complain to Sun when things don't work. ;) So what's the problem? javac also automatically builds dependencies, it's just not as good at it as jikes. Not in a way that's usable my make. Jike can be used to build external dependency files. Also, my experience is that unless you're paying Sun significant amounts of $$, their reaction to bug reports is to close their eyes, hum real loud and hope they go away. True, but Sun is no different than anyone else in that regard. I have found the individual developers somewhat more easy to work with, if you can get a contact within Sun. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: make bug? (dependency names with '$')
Jason Brazile [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I want to construct a portable Makefile to build a java application. Don't bother. a) use jikes instead of javac, it's much faster and gives better diagnostics. b) to rebuild, just list all the source (.java) files on the jikes command line. Jikes will figure out what needs rebuilding and what doesn't. If there are too many files, list them all (each on one line) in a text file (e.g. 'sources') and specify '@sources' on the command line. If there is a single file in your project that directly or indirectly depends on every other, you can also just specify that one file on the command line. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
