Re: Software Patents. Was Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT

2000-12-24 Thread Julian Stacey [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Peter Mutsaers wrote:
  "Julian" == Julian Stacey Jhs@jhs muc de [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  In Europe, software
  patents do not exist and cannot be granted.
 
 Julian Wrong ! Sadly ! That's the old simple theoretical world I
 Julian learnt about back in University in the late 70's, it
 Julian changed  got worse ... lawyers encroached,  the EPO
 Julian expanded like crazy !
 
 Julian The key words "As Such" in regard to software patents
 Julian bring an ironic smile to the lips of patent examiners in
 Julian the field.
 Julian   (  I'm being precise here, about the smile, I lunch often
 Julian   with examiners at http:/www.epo.org = European Patent
 Julian   Office, Nice food, nice people, shame about the patents !
 Julian   They're clever people  personal friends,  I do my small
 Julian   bit to persuade them to be careful of the effects of what
 Julian   they grant, but the patent system is really sick, change
 Julian   needs to come from top down, not bottom up).

 What I have learned is that the EPO has been granting software patents
 for several years now, so that they are in place when and if software
 patents shall be allowed in the EU (probably they have nothing better
 to do than grant patents in advance, that are not yet lawful?).
 
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No, Sorry Peter you are Wrong ! Sadly ! 
The situation is worse, the patents granted are lawful already, unless/until
overthrown in court.  

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I previously posted.

I append FYI a statement I received (with permission to forward) from
author of i4b (isdn for *bsd): "Hellmuth Michaelis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Julian Stacey)
] Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:40:32 +0100 (CET)
] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hellmuth Michaelis)
]
] The software you are probably referring to is the PPP Stac compression
] which is patented by Stac/HiFn. Although it is described with the exact
] details required to implement it, it seems to be impossible to actually
] code it (or better to release that code as source or binary) because of
] the patent rights Stac/HiFn holds.

It's my understanding one can publish, but not commercialy use without licence,
software overlapping the many patents already granted, so its a pretty severe
threat aimed at the heart of free software.

Read other cases in:
http://swpat.ffii.org/vreji/pikta
Horror Gallery of Software Patents /
Gruselkabinett Europ\xe4ischer Softwarepatente

Julian
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Re: Software Patents. Was Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT

2000-12-21 Thread Boris

Hello Julian,

Thursday, December 21, 2000, 5:20:31 PM, you wrote:

I really hope that software patent´s wont be possible in Europe. This
would be a real problem for some of us who are not only consulting but
developing, too.

I remember that a lot of people try to get a patent on the lamest
routines and if someadays these patents are legal, they will make
money. There are a lot of people out in the world who have very good
ideas for good products and they want to develop them to make money (as
me, it´s my job - consulting and developing) - but without software
patents.

I think software patents in Europe would be very dangerous and a lot
of people will get a lot of problems. We should not destroy the
computer world as the same world, named reality.

In "our" world, the computer-specialists are the formers and directors
what will be in the feature. The most of us have the ideals to make a
"better world" in digital form. A lot of people with a lot of good
ideas. On the other side, there are a lot of people wo can´t be rich
enough. They try to destroy everything we build over the years. The do
not understand what we want to do and where we want to go. We all want
to be together, a mega-big community over the world. We want to
realise projects in peace and together to build the "most perfect
code". We have a lot of fun with doing this. We want to learn and we
want to make things better, for fun and to earn some money, too.

In the last month I had a very bad dream. Someone said "Now, it is
possible to have software patents about everything in the word". And a
group of people went to the "digital underground". They are developing
and redistributing their operating system still for free, but no one
knows who is developing on it. Some of them get caught and they are
arrested, because they would develop and distribute software with
patented algorithms and so on and this won´t be allowed.

A VERY BAD DREAM. And I know if there would really be software patents
in europe, a lot of people would build a digital underground, where
ideas are ideas, and where we have no restrictions.

A lot of us are dreamers with a lot of visions. I really hope that
this will not be destroyed by people who can´t be rich enought!

I am developing since I am 12 years old. Now I am 25 and I am still
developing. I won´t stop it, I love it. If routines i am using are
restricted or patented, I really would ask myself for what person I am
working. For me, or for someone who was a silly one and patented every
silly routine. If this happens, that nearly every routine can be
patented, then I really don´t know what to do. I don´t want to think
that I have spent the years with learning and developing and now I
would have to pay license fees for someone who was rich enough to
patent some houndrets of (mostly silly) routines.

Some people can´t be rich enough. They destroy everything. We
developers should do everything that this won´t happen in Europe or
other nations. We computer-freaks want a mega great community. Freedom.
Knowledge and peace. This is the way we go. Fight against patents!


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