Re: TCPDUMP patch v1.1 and AppleTalk

2000-11-08 Thread Guy Helmer

On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Konrad Heuer wrote:

> 
> On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 01:56:21PM +0100, Konrad Heuer wrote:
> > 
> > > After patching and installing, tcpdump can't be used anymore since it puts
> > > very heavy load onto the network via xl0 and AppleTalk broadcast messages
> > > (one message each 0.2 ms). Sorry, in the moment I don't know more details
> > > ...
> > 
> > tcpdump shouldn't be sending any appletalk packets, I thought (I may
> > be wrong, never used it on an appletalk network). Are you sure this is
> > the problem?
> > 
> > Kris
> 
> Well, I don't know exactly what happens but I seems to be more complex
> than I thought first. It doesn't happen each time I start tcpdump but when
> some circumstances meet which I don't know my FreeBSD host begins to flood
> the network with AppelTalk broadcast requests as long as tcpdump keeps
> running. Killing tcpdump kills this flooding, too. I've never observed
> such a situation before I applied the last patch, and I use tcpdump
> frequently to analyze the one or other problem. On the other hand, our
> network environment isn't static, of course, and I can't be sure about
> other things that may have been changed from day to day.



If you are running the daemon that supports Appletalk (is it netatalk?),
perhaps the Appletalk daemon becomes confused when tcpdump puts the
Ethernet interface into promiscuous mode.  It may be that the daemon
expects to see only the Appletalk traffic directed to it, and seeing *all*
Appletalk traffic on the wire makes it go nuts.



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Re: TCPDUMP patch v1.1 and AppleTalk

2000-11-08 Thread Konrad Heuer


On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 01:56:21PM +0100, Konrad Heuer wrote:
> 
> > After patching and installing, tcpdump can't be used anymore since it puts
> > very heavy load onto the network via xl0 and AppleTalk broadcast messages
> > (one message each 0.2 ms). Sorry, in the moment I don't know more details
> > ...
> 
> tcpdump shouldn't be sending any appletalk packets, I thought (I may
> be wrong, never used it on an appletalk network). Are you sure this is
> the problem?
> 
> Kris
> 

Well, I don't know exactly what happens but I seems to be more complex
than I thought first. It doesn't happen each time I start tcpdump but when
some circumstances meet which I don't know my FreeBSD host begins to flood
the network with AppelTalk broadcast requests as long as tcpdump keeps
running. Killing tcpdump kills this flooding, too. I've never observed
such a situation before I applied the last patch, and I use tcpdump
frequently to analyze the one or other problem. On the other hand, our
network environment isn't static, of course, and I can't be sure about
other things that may have been changed from day to day.

Konrad



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Re: TCPDUMP patch v1.1 and AppleTalk

2000-11-08 Thread Dragos Ruiu

On Tue, 07 Nov 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 01:56:21PM +0100, Konrad Heuer wrote:
> 
> > After patching and installing, tcpdump can't be used anymore since it puts
> > very heavy load onto the network via xl0 and AppleTalk broadcast messages
> > (one message each 0.2 ms). Sorry, in the moment I don't know more details
> > ...
> 
> tcpdump shouldn't be sending any appletalk packets, I thought (I may
> be wrong, never used it on an appletalk network). Are you sure this is
> the problem?

I've never run this kind of a scenario here so I'm speaking from
a vacuum of knowledge and pure conjecture... ;-) but could it be generating
packets through name resolutions ??? 
Does it still generate the packets with -n ?

cheers,
--dr


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Re: TCPDUMP patch v1.1 and AppleTalk

2000-11-07 Thread Kris Kennaway

On Tue, Nov 07, 2000 at 01:56:21PM +0100, Konrad Heuer wrote:

> After patching and installing, tcpdump can't be used anymore since it puts
> very heavy load onto the network via xl0 and AppleTalk broadcast messages
> (one message each 0.2 ms). Sorry, in the moment I don't know more details
> ...

tcpdump shouldn't be sending any appletalk packets, I thought (I may
be wrong, never used it on an appletalk network). Are you sure this is
the problem?

Kris

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TCPDUMP patch v1.1 and AppleTalk

2000-11-07 Thread Konrad Heuer


This morning I applied the tcpdump v1.1 patch for 4.x-R on a 4.1-R system
with following configuration:

ti0 Gigabit-LinkIPv4 interface
xl0 Fast Ethernet   AppleTalk interface

options NETATALK is included in the kernel config since the host uses the
netatalk package exports the home directories for MAC users (the system
does a good job since August).

After patching and installing, tcpdump can't be used anymore since it puts
very heavy load onto the network via xl0 and AppleTalk broadcast messages
(one message each 0.2 ms). Sorry, in the moment I don't know more details
...


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