Re: What do people think of maybe using the sourceforge software?
> Second, the projects page we have now, with all due respect to the > people that try to keep it reasonably organised, is a mess due to the > lack of updates. people only maintain their project pages perhaps, but > certainly not the links that lead to them. > > Being able to work with more people on the same project on an equal > bases would be a good idea IMHO. Well, I have to say that I installed and played with sourceforge for awhile and it's, well, highly dedicated to being sourceforge. The various product links *all* point back to sourceforge.com relative addresses and there's no concept of "$PROJECTNAME" or "$PROJECTBASE" to customize the sourceforge software for someone else, like the FreeBSD project. It's very much an example of a "code straight to the goal and for one purpose" implementation and, unfortunately, thus completely unsuitable for our purposes without some major hackery. Maybe if we could find something else... - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What do people think of maybe using the sourceforge software?
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Nick Hibma wrote: > > I guess that most people leading a project could do with a bit of > feature creep, features being shoved under their noses. Even if at first > you think that source control solves all our problems, it still could be > a way to develop new tools and get them running and tried out before > committing them to the tree. > > Second, the projects page we have now, with all due respect to the > people that try to keep it reasonably organised, is a mess due to the > lack of updates. people only maintain their project pages perhaps, but > certainly not the links that lead to them. > > Being able to work with more people on the same project on an equal > bases would be a good idea IMHO. > > Nick > Although I have no control over what goes on behind the curtains, I must say the following: My feeling is that a lot of the doc people are working really hard to make this sort of stuff happen. I know, for instance, that Jeroen (Asmodai) has great ideas in place for centralization of project listings, and TODO lists, etc. The only thing left is to bind these ideas together and make things like this happen. One of the big issues, I feel, is the duplication of efforts and I, as a "guy who develops from the sidelines" can tell you right now: a centralized information-base such as the one [I believe] these people are working on is key to what I choose to poke at next. Please remember that a lot of people who contribute to the project are not necessarily committers and do not read -commiters mail. The centralization of documentation and various other data will make collaboration possible and, best of all, it'll make it fun (which is what open source is about for many of us). With the centralization of information will come direction. Cheers, Bosko. -- Bosko Milekic * pages.infinit.net/bmilekic/index.html * www.technokratis.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day." To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What do people think of maybe using the sourceforge software?
I guess that most people leading a project could do with a bit of feature creep, features being shoved under their noses. Even if at first you think that source control solves all our problems, it still could be a way to develop new tools and get them running and tried out before committing them to the tree. Second, the projects page we have now, with all due respect to the people that try to keep it reasonably organised, is a mess due to the lack of updates. people only maintain their project pages perhaps, but certainly not the links that lead to them. Being able to work with more people on the same project on an equal bases would be a good idea IMHO. Nick > http://sourceforge.net/project/filelist.php?group_id=1 > > Contains the software used by source forge to implement the > project/help desk/download tracker thingie which they themselves use > to manage the various projects registered with source forge. > > I think it's also reasonable to say that FreeBSD itself is a bit too > large to register and run as a sourceforge project, but why not use > the same software to offer a higher level of "polish" to the existing > project infrastructure? Comments? I'm just playing with this stuff a > bit myself right now and will say more once I actually know more about > it. > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] USB project http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What do people think of maybe using the sourceforge software?
On Mon, 8 May 2000, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > http://sourceforge.net/project/filelist.php?group_id=1 > > Contains the software used by source forge to implement the > project/help desk/download tracker thingie which they themselves use > to manage the various projects registered with source forge. > > I think it's also reasonable to say that FreeBSD itself is a bit too > large to register and run as a sourceforge project, but why not use > the same software to offer a higher level of "polish" to the existing > project infrastructure? Comments? I'm just playing with this stuff a > bit myself right now and will say more once I actually know more about > it. > I've been using it to work on the DRI project recently and I like it. The web-based frontend for creating accounts and managing SSH keys is pretty useful. I'm not quite sure how well the patch manager scales - it barfed when I uploaded a patch containing a large uuencoded file. -- Doug Rabson Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 20 8442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What do people think of maybe using the sourceforge software
Funny timing don't you think? http://slashdot.org/articles/00/05/09/0853201.shtml In message <14883.957847312@localhost>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >> 1) Will it scale with 200 developers and (if we put the pr's into the source >>forge interface) all the prs? > >I think this part should scale fairly well. > >> 2) How much stuff well get moved over to sit under the new interface, and ho >w >>hard will that be to accomplish? :) > >That I don't know. Ask me something easier. :-) > >- Jordan > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
RE: What do people think of maybe using the sourceforge software?
> > > Well, that depends if sourceforge has more intelligent bug > query methods > > than simple keyword searches. If you can only keyword > search, the current PR > > database might be just as good. If sourceforge will allow > me to search in a > > more intelligent way, it may be worth the effort. > > Can you define "more intelligent"? > No, :-) but I can take another shot at what I'm envisioning. It's the same problem with finding stuff on the Internet. You type a keyword, and the search engine returns everything that's remotely related, sorted on how much their sponsoring was. I know that a lot of research is being put into better and more intelligent search engines for the Internet. For something like a bugs database, it must be much easier to do, because the range of subjects is so much smaller. A kernel in the FreeBSD bugs database is those three-odd megs of code sitting on /, not a plant's seed of some sort. You could have a new interface to the PR database. You type your description, and a search engine coughs up a few (possibly closed) PR's that are related, presenting them to the user with the question: "does one of these match your problem?". If yes, you have one less PR to root around for, and you file his/her e-mail address under "me too". If no, you might even go so far as to say: "why not?", if your engine is sure they must be. That's what some people are already doing manually now: "I file this PR. It's similar to xxx/1000, but not quite, because my foo bars the foobar()." All I'm suggesting is automating this process and making it standard (and simple!) practice. I will admit that my description is vague, but it stems from the deeper feeling that there must be more than this. :-) Kees Jan == You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What do people think of maybe using the sourceforge software?
Speaking of Sourceforge (which now uses Trove categorization for the projects): Trove categorization of the FreeBSD ports tree would be really cool. http://sourceforge.net/softwaremap/trove_list.php http://tuxedo.org/~esr/trove/ Just an idea. Not holding my breath though :). Markus On Mon, May 08, 2000 at 08:14:06PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > http://sourceforge.net/project/filelist.php?group_id=1 > > Contains the software used by source forge to implement the > project/help desk/download tracker thingie which they themselves use > to manage the various projects registered with source forge. > > I think it's also reasonable to say that FreeBSD itself is a bit too > large to register and run as a sourceforge project, but why not use > the same software to offer a higher level of "polish" to the existing > project infrastructure? Comments? I'm just playing with this stuff a > bit myself right now and will say more once I actually know more about > it. > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- Markus Holmberg | Give me Unix or give me a typewriter. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What do people think of maybe using the sourceforge software?
On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 11:04:39AM +0100, Koster, K.J. wrote: > > > >It's my opinion that there's no need for more "polish." > > Currently what we have, CVS and the CVSWeb HTTP front-end, seem > > perfectly adequate to me. > > > Well, that depends if sourceforge has more intelligent bug query methods > than simple keyword searches. If you can only keyword search, the current PR > database might be just as good. If sourceforge will allow me to search in a > more intelligent way, it may be worth the effort. Can you define "more intelligent"? Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
RE: What do people think of maybe using the sourceforge software?
> >It's my opinion that there's no need for more "polish." > Currently what we have, CVS and the CVSWeb HTTP front-end, seem > perfectly adequate to me. > Well, that depends if sourceforge has more intelligent bug query methods than simple keyword searches. If you can only keyword search, the current PR database might be just as good. If sourceforge will allow me to search in a more intelligent way, it may be worth the effort. There's a lot of information in the PR database. How best to exploit that? Another point: if sourceforce is being actively maintained and used, perhaps you may want to have it for that. Is FreeBSD's bug database code being used in other projects? Is development going on on it? Kees Jan == You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What do people think of maybe using the sourceforge software
> 1) Will it scale with 200 developers and (if we put the pr's into the source >forge interface) all the prs? I think this part should scale fairly well. > 2) How much stuff well get moved over to sit under the new interface, and how >hard will that be to accomplish? :) That I don't know. Ask me something easier. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
RE: What do people think of maybe using the sourceforge software
On 09-May-00 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I think it's also reasonable to say that FreeBSD itself is a bit too > large to register and run as a sourceforge project, but why not use > the same software to offer a higher level of "polish" to the existing > project infrastructure? Comments? I'm just playing with this stuff a > bit myself right now and will say more once I actually know more about > it. Well, the questions I have are.. 1) Will it scale with 200 developers and (if we put the pr's into the source forge interface) all the prs? 2) How much stuff well get moved over to sit under the new interface, and how hard will that be to accomplish? :) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What do people think of maybe using the sourceforge software?
On Monday, May 08, 2000, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I think it's also reasonable to say that FreeBSD itself is a bit too > large to register and run as a sourceforge project, but why not use > the same software to offer a higher level of "polish" to the existing > project infrastructure? Comments? I'm just playing with this stuff a > bit myself right now and will say more once I actually know more about > it. It's my opinion that there's no need for more "polish." Currently what we have, CVS and the CVSWeb HTTP front-end, seem perfectly adequate to me. -- |Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |State-of-the-art: What we could do with enough money. `- To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
What do people think of maybe using the sourceforge software?
http://sourceforge.net/project/filelist.php?group_id=1 Contains the software used by source forge to implement the project/help desk/download tracker thingie which they themselves use to manage the various projects registered with source forge. I think it's also reasonable to say that FreeBSD itself is a bit too large to register and run as a sourceforge project, but why not use the same software to offer a higher level of "polish" to the existing project infrastructure? Comments? I'm just playing with this stuff a bit myself right now and will say more once I actually know more about it. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
