Re: panic: random.ko

2004-04-22 Thread markm
Roman Neuhauser writes:
  Did you type the exact THREE commands as shown above?
 
 Of course, it's been three weeks since I had that problem so I
 would be insane to claim I have exact recollection. I might have
 been typing
 
 unload
 boot /boot/kernel/kernel
 
 over and over again in an attempt to convince myself that I had made
 a typo, but I doubt that. Nevertheless, would that make a difference?

Yes.

M
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Re: panic: random.ko

2004-04-22 Thread Roman Neuhauser
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2004-04-22 08:02:04 +0100:
 Roman Neuhauser writes:
   Did you type the exact THREE commands as shown above?
  
  Of course, it's been three weeks since I had that problem so I
  would be insane to claim I have exact recollection. I might have
  been typing
  
  unload
  boot /boot/kernel/kernel
  
  over and over again in an attempt to convince myself that I had made
  a typo, but I doubt that. Nevertheless, would that make a difference?
 
 Yes.

Indeed, booting GENERIC with

unload
load kernel
boot

(or load /boot/kernel/kernel) works now, and would have worked then
if I didn't screw up somehow.

Sorry for the waste of time.

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Re: panic: random.ko

2004-04-21 Thread Roman Neuhauser
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2004-04-04 19:02:07 -0700:
 On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 02:35:53AM +0200, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
  Booting a kernel with random compiled in, and load_random=YES in
  loader.conf causes a panic very similar to the one described here:
  http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-alpha/2003-August/000656.html
  
  Hi Mark, please fix random.ko :-)
 
 Sounds like a generic module problem that is known to exist on
 FreeBSD.  Don't do that is the solution.
 
 You can unload the preloaded kernel and/or modules from the loader to
 prevent it from panicking at boot, then modify loader.conf.

The fun part (and reason I asked whether there was a way to tell
loader to ignore loader.con) was that unload didn't help, it
showed the kernel and modules were unloaded, but subsequent

load kernel
boot

or

boot kernel

loaded the the modules again, and I had to disable-module for
every individual module, about twelve times. Is that normal
behavior, or was there a pilot error somewhere?

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Re: panic: random.ko

2004-04-21 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:20:14AM +0200, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
 # [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2004-04-04 19:02:07 -0700:
  On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 02:35:53AM +0200, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
   Booting a kernel with random compiled in, and load_random=YES in
   loader.conf causes a panic very similar to the one described here:
   http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-alpha/2003-August/000656.html
   
   Hi Mark, please fix random.ko :-)
  
  Sounds like a generic module problem that is known to exist on
  FreeBSD.  Don't do that is the solution.
  
  You can unload the preloaded kernel and/or modules from the loader to
  prevent it from panicking at boot, then modify loader.conf.
 
 The fun part (and reason I asked whether there was a way to tell
 loader to ignore loader.con) was that unload didn't help, it
 showed the kernel and modules were unloaded, but subsequent
 
 load kernel
 boot
 
 or
 
 boot kernel
 
 loaded the the modules again, and I had to disable-module for
 every individual module, about twelve times. Is that normal
 behavior, or was there a pilot error somewhere?

I think it's expected behaviour.  My fingers know what to do to stop
this, but my brain can't remember it right now :-)

Kris


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Re: panic: random.ko

2004-04-21 Thread markm
Kris Kennaway writes:
  loader to ignore loader.con) was that unload didn't help, it
  showed the kernel and modules were unloaded, but subsequent
 
  load kernel
  boot
 
  or
 
  boot kernel
 
  loaded the the modules again, and I had to disable-module for
  every individual module, about twelve times. Is that normal
  behavior, or was there a pilot error somewhere?
 
 I think it's expected behaviour.  My fingers know what to do to stop
 this, but my brain can't remember it right now :-)

unload
load /boot/kernel/kernel
boot

does it for me.

M
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Re: panic: random.ko

2004-04-21 Thread Roman Neuhauser
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2004-04-21 12:03:36 +0100:
 Kris Kennaway writes:
   loader to ignore loader.con) was that unload didn't help, it
   showed the kernel and modules were unloaded, but subsequent
  
   load kernel
   boot
  
   or
  
   boot kernel
  
   loaded the the modules again, and I had to disable-module for
   every individual module, about twelve times. Is that normal
   behavior, or was there a pilot error somewhere?
  
  I think it's expected behaviour.  My fingers know what to do to stop
  this, but my brain can't remember it right now :-)
 
 unload
 load /boot/kernel/kernel
 boot
 
 does it for me.

Of course I run unload as the first step. It wrote it unloaded the
modules, and the started loading them again booting the new kernel.

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Re: panic: random.ko

2004-04-21 Thread markm
Roman Neuhauser writes:
  unload
  load /boot/kernel/kernel
  boot
  
  does it for me.
 
 Of course I run unload as the first step. It wrote it unloaded the
 modules, and the started loading them again booting the new kernel.

Did you type the exact THREE commands as shown above?

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Re: panic: random.ko

2004-04-21 Thread Roman Neuhauser
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2004-04-21 23:54:43 +0100:
 Roman Neuhauser writes:
   unload
   load /boot/kernel/kernel
   boot
   
   does it for me.
  
  Of course I run unload as the first step. It wrote it unloaded the
  modules, and the started loading them again booting the new kernel.
 
 Did you type the exact THREE commands as shown above?

Of course, it's been three weeks since I had that problem so I
would be insane to claim I have exact recollection. I might have
been typing

unload
boot /boot/kernel/kernel

over and over again in an attempt to convince myself that I had made
a typo, but I doubt that. Nevertheless, would that make a difference?

It's more likely (= I'm quite sure) I tried both versions more than
once; I *really* wanted to avoid typing disable-module foo
twelve or so times, which I ended up doing.

Also note that we're talking about CURRENT in case that could mean
a difference.

Hm, I still have the exact same kernel/world on the machine. I'll
try it out in the morning, and will let you know.

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panic: random.ko

2004-04-04 Thread Roman Neuhauser
Booting a kernel with random compiled in, and load_random=YES in
loader.conf causes a panic very similar to the one described here:
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-alpha/2003-August/000656.html

Hi Mark, please fix random.ko :-)

If a backtrace would be useful, I can retype it in an email.

On a related note, how do I make loader(8) ignore loader.conf?

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Re: panic: random.ko

2004-04-04 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 02:35:53AM +0200, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
 Booting a kernel with random compiled in, and load_random=YES in
 loader.conf causes a panic very similar to the one described here:
 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-alpha/2003-August/000656.html
 
 Hi Mark, please fix random.ko :-)

Sounds like a generic module problem that is known to exist on
FreeBSD.  Don't do that is the solution.

You can unload the preloaded kernel and/or modules from the loader to
prevent it from panicking at boot, then modify loader.conf.

Kris


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