Re: LG combo drive and Attansic Technology ethernet card on Asus P5Q Pro

2008-10-04 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 11:49:01PM +0100, Dieter wrote:
> >> The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close 
> >> to it.
> 
> I have an older LG PATA combo drive which works ok.
> 
> Does it show up when booting?  (Does dmesg work from the installation shell?)
> 
> Maybe you need to "kldload atapicam" ?  Or is that only needed for writing,
> I forget...
> 
> > The only thing I can think of is that the P5Q boards use a Marvell
> > ATA/IDE controller (yes, you read that correctly).  I wonder if FreeBSD
> > somehow lacks support for this...
> 
> 7.0 ata man page claims support for:
> 
>  Marvell 88SX5040, 88SX5041, 88SX5080, 88SX5081, 88SX6041,
>  88SX6081, 88SX6101, 88SX6141.

None of these are what's on the P5Q series boards.  The P5Q series
boards use a Marvell 88SE6102 Super I/O chip, which also drives IDE/PATA
devices.  (SATA is driven via ICH10 or ICH10R).

I'm left to believe FreeBSD simply lacks support for this very new
Marvell chip.  I'm willing to bet there is no sign of ata(4) devices nor
atapci(4) PCI association during boot-up.

> > > I cannot even install over FTP, because the institution I am in wants
> > > my MAC address to allow this pc to connect to internet and I cannot
> > > get to the MAC address without installing an OS (at least, I don't
> > > know how... I tried an Ubuntu LiveCD, but it doesn't recognize the
> > > ethernet card, either).
> 
> Sometimes the MAC address is printed on a sticker.

This is an on-board NIC/PHY.  I'm fairly sure there's no printed label
of the MAC on the motherboard, although if there was, I'd say it's
probably on the underside/back of the board.

http://www.unitycorp.co.jp/asus/motherboard/intel/lga775/p5q_pro/big_photo.jpg

I'm going to get Yong-Hyeon a P5Q SE motherboard with CPU and RAM, and
ship it to him in South Korea.  Once it arrives, he should be able to
work on developing a driver for it over the next few months.

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Re: LG combo drive and Attansic Technology ethernet card on Asus P5Q Pro

2008-10-04 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 03:48:58PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 03:58:28AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
>  > On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 05:22:57PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote:
>  > > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 04:18:48PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
>  > >  > On Thu, Oct 02, 2008 at 06:32:20PM +0200, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote:
>  > > 
>  > > [...]
>  > > 
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > > On an unrelated topic, does anybody know whether the network card
>  > >  > > Attansic Technology on Asus P5Q Pro motherboard is compatible with
>  > >  > > FreeBSD?
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > Asus was somewhat vague as to what model of Attansic/Atheros IC they
>  > >  > used on the P5Q series.  I have one of these boards, so I can assure
>  > >  > you it's an Attansic L1E.  It's sometimes referred to as an Atheros
>  > >  > AR8121, AR8113, or AR8114.
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE has support for this NIC; age(4) is the driver.
>  > >  > 7.0 will very likely not support this NIC.
>  > >  > 
>  > > 
>  > > If the controller is AR8121/AR8113 PCI-E adapters(also known as 
>  > > L1E) there is no working driver for FreeBSD. Because the controller
>  > > is quite different from its predecessor L1, new driver should be
>  > > written for the controller.
>  > > It's not feasible for me to write the driver until I can actually
>  > > access the hardware. :-(
>  > 
>  > Wow, I was under the impression the L1 and the L1E were identical,
>  > except that the L1E was PCI Express-based vs. PCI-based.
>  > 
>  > The Attansic L1E stuff is becoming more and more common here on
>  > motherboards in the States.
>  > 
> 
> Correct. Newer Eee PC also seems to have the controller.
> 
>  > Yong-Hyeon, I can get you a P5Q SE motherboard and send it your way
>  > (with CPU + memory as well, if need be), if you'd like.
>  > 
> 
> Yeah, that would make me write a driver for L1E and I'm willing to
> do that. I greatly appreciate your support.

Yong-Hyeon,

Please (privately) provide me your address in South Korea and I'll get
all of this stuff shipped off to you within the next few weeks.  You can
keep the hardware, resell it, or ship it back (if you so desire) when
finished with it.  :-)

Thanks!  

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Re: LG combo drive and Attansic Technology ethernet card on Asus P5Q Pro

2008-10-04 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 12:33:04AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 11:49:01PM +0100, Dieter wrote:
> > >> The drive is a new LG combo drive, I believe GH22LP20 or something close 
> > >> to it.
> > 
> > I have an older LG PATA combo drive which works ok.
> > 
> > Does it show up when booting?  (Does dmesg work from the installation 
> > shell?)
> > 
> > Maybe you need to "kldload atapicam" ?  Or is that only needed for writing,
> > I forget...
> > 
> > > The only thing I can think of is that the P5Q boards use a Marvell
> > > ATA/IDE controller (yes, you read that correctly).  I wonder if FreeBSD
> > > somehow lacks support for this...
> > 
> > 7.0 ata man page claims support for:
> > 
> >  Marvell 88SX5040, 88SX5041, 88SX5080, 88SX5081, 88SX6041,
> >  88SX6081, 88SX6101, 88SX6141.
> 
> None of these are what's on the P5Q series boards.  The P5Q series
> boards use a Marvell 88SE6102 Super I/O chip, which also drives IDE/PATA
> devices.  (SATA is driven via ICH10 or ICH10R).
> 
> I'm left to believe FreeBSD simply lacks support for this very new
> Marvell chip.  I'm willing to bet there is no sign of ata(4) devices nor
> atapci(4) PCI association during boot-up.

Mac folks are seeing the same problem:

http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=128985
http://www.insanelymac.com/lofiversion/index.php/t99634.html

Wikipedia states the 88SE6121, not the 88SE6102, is used on P5Q series
boards.  But the P5Q SE motherboard manual states it's a 88SE6102.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marvell_Technology_Group_chipsets

So either the motherboard manual is wrong, Wikipedia is wrong, or the
P5Q SE and P5Q Pro contain different models/versions of ICs.

When I get a P5Q SE for Yong-Hyeon, I'll make note of what's
silkscreened on the ASIC.

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Re: Intel 6300ESB SATA150 cannot find disk or boot under 6.3

2008-10-04 Thread Michael Scheidell



A few questions:

1) What does "accidentally works" mean?
  


one of our techs found a patch for 6.3 that worked.



2) Do I understand you correctly: 6300ESB works on FreeBSD 5.5 and 6.2,
"accidentally works" on 6.3, but does not work on 7.0?

  
I have a compiled kernel that works, but we lost the patch.  normal 6.3 
doesn't.

generic 6.3 doesn't.  i 6.3 current didn't work.

I can send you a dell 750 with 6.3 on it that does work (custom 6.3 
kernel, again, lost the source, can't repeduce 'fix' no matter what I tried)

even upgraded dell 750 to latest firmware.

other anomaly:  teying to man times to boot 6.3 hosed a hard disk.  
fried the hardware (hard disk) somehow.

3) Have you tried 7.1-PRERELEASE?  I make no promises, but additional
confirmation would be helpful.

  
not yet. since I didn't see any CLOSED pr talking about fixing it, and 
all the hardware notes on 6.2, 6.3, 6.4, 7.0 and 7.1 say just it does 
generic support for SATA150.




ftp://ftp4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200809/

4) Have you contacted the ata(4) author, Soren Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
about this driver regression?

5) Is there a PR open on this matter, or have you filed one?

  
after replying to freebsd-hardware post, I found this, but have found 
other posts going back to feb 2008.


http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=127391


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Re: Intel 6300ESB SATA150 cannot find disk or boot under 6.3

2008-10-04 Thread satz
> A few questions:
>
> 1) What does "accidentally works" mean?
>
> 2) Do I understand you correctly: 6300ESB works on FreeBSD 5.5 and 6.2,
> "accidentally works" on 6.3, but does not work on 7.0?

>From my perspective it is currently working right now for me under 6.1 but
I cannot get it to work under 6.3 per the pr.

> 3) Have you tried 7.1-PRERELEASE?  I make no promises, but additional
> confirmation would be helpful.
>
> ftp://ftp4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/200809/

I will try this and add the results to the pr.

> 4) Have you contacted the ata(4) author, Soren Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> about this driver regression?

I just added Soren to this thread. Thanks for the reference.

> 5) Is there a PR open on this matter, or have you filed one?

I opened http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=127391 a few weeks ago
and after it was reclassified it has just sat there.

Thanks,
Greg

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Re: alpha/127248: System crashes when many (7) serial port terminals (vt320-vt510) connected to the server via com to usb adapter and 2-usb hubs.

2008-10-04 Thread Dieter
> > Surely a "good" USB to RS-232 bridge (if one exists?) or a RS-232
> > filter/isolator (assuming they exist?) would be *far* less expensive
> > than the server class alpha you suggest below.
> 
> It depend on how much RS232 you need and how many slots the OP has free.
> Nevertheless a "good" RS232 bridge if needed in number are not cheap
> either - ntoe that you can get affordable PCI extenders as well.

The PCI expanders I've seen cost almost as much as getting an entire
additional machine.

> > > > The problem with PCI is the limited number of slots.  :-(
> > > 
> > > Well - not realy with server class alphas...
> > 
> > In my world, a "server" means 1-4 full height 19" racks with quite large
> > price tags and power&cooling requirements.  Some people think a server
> > is a pee-cee.  So I'm not sure what you mean by "server class alphas".
> 
> Server doesn't mean rack, but beside from a few OEM boards and small
> 19" system all alphas have lots of free slots available.
> 
> > I have what I would call a "workstation" class alpha, which cost an
> > obscene amount to get 6 PCI slots instead of 4, and at times they are
> > all full.  So I can't use up a slot just to get a couple more RS-232
> > ports.  How many PCI slots does a server class alpha have?
> 
> Well the AS4100 I have already has 8 slots which is not that uncommon
> for alpha servers.

I'd call an alpha with only 8 slots a workstation class machine.  It
wouldn't take much to fill up 8 slots.

> The real big ones can even have a few hundred slots.

A few hundred slots would be server class.  And I'm sure a price tag to
match, along with floor space, power, and cooling requirements.

> > USB to RS-232 bridge could be a good solution, if I knew which
> > make&model of bridge worked well with *BSD.  Poking around on the web
> > I can't even find what chip they have inside.
> 
> Really forget about USB to RS232.
> It is not the chip which is the problem it is the principal.
> You really need galvanic isolation, because USB can't handle ground
> loops, which no cheap device has.
> You can use any kind of chip with propper isolation, but then it
> is likely more expensive than any other kind of solution.

I assume this is marketing driven.  Adding a few optos can't
increase the manufacturing cost *that* much.  Sounds like a
market opportunity for someone.

> > Do these bridges actually work properly, or do they have gotchas
> > like the USB to SATA/PATA bridges?
> 
> The prolific bridges work well enough if you don't have a ground
> loop and FTDI chips are better IMHO.

Thanks.
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