RAID Cards

2005-06-26 Thread Bob Bomar

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I am looking to build a new file server.  I have used
Promise cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking
at Highpoint cards for this machine.  Anybody have any
opinions on RAID cards?

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RE: RAID Cards

2005-06-26 Thread nethaniel
I can say my experience with adaptec 3200s cards has not been the most
fruitful. It's been 2 weeks now and I cannot even get my system to load past
the initial bootup options screen. Anything but option 6 fails. The sad
thing is I have a driver but I need to load some kind of os on the system or
I cannot load my driver. 

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Re: RAID Cards

2005-06-26 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Jun 26, 2005, at 12:21 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
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I can say my experience with adaptec 3200s cards has not been the most
fruitful. It's been 2 weeks now and I cannot even get my system to  
load past
the initial bootup options screen. Anything but option 6 fails. The  
sad
thing is I have a driver but I need to load some kind of os on the  
system or

I cannot load my driver.


The adaptec 3200s is supported out of the box in FreeBSD with the asr  
driver (at least on i386).  You should not need a separate driver.


Is the adaptec at the latest firmware and is your system bios at the  
latest version?  I had a problem with an adaptec 2200s (aac driver)  
with my tuan opteron board that was fixed with a system BIOS upgrade.


Chad





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I am looking to build a new file server.  I have used
Promise cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking
at Highpoint cards for this machine.  Anybody have any
opinions on RAID cards?

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Re: RAID Cards

2005-06-26 Thread Kent Ketell
On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 11:38:42AM -0500, Bob Bomar wrote:
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> at Highpoint cards for this machine.  Anybody have any
> opinions on RAID cards?

I have had great results with the Adaptec 2200s controllers.  Just remember to 
not enable the aacp device.

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Re: RAID Cards

2005-06-26 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 6/26/05, Bob Bomar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I am looking to build a new file server.  I have used
> Promise cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking
> at Highpoint cards for this machine.  Anybody have any
> opinions on RAID cards?

I have no problems with my highpoint cards. See my other post from a
few minutes ago under the thread "Best hardware to mirror IDE drives
under FreeBSD?"
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Re: RAID Cards

2005-06-26 Thread Bruce Burden
On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 12:21:02PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I can say my experience with adaptec 3200s cards has not been the most
> fruitful. It's been 2 weeks now and I cannot even get my system to load past
> the initial bootup options screen. Anything but option 6 fails. The sad
> thing is I have a driver but I need to load some kind of os on the system or
> I cannot load my driver. 
> 
Fails how? I was not able to boot 5.4 with my Adaptec 3210S
   installed. I believe the best I got was a hang or a panic. I finally
   got the system to behave when I added OPTION ASR_TOOLS to the kernel.

What is option 6 in the boot screen?

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Re: RAID Cards

2005-06-26 Thread Mike Tancsa
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:38:42 -0500, in sentex.lists.freebsd.hardware
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>Promise cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking
>at Highpoint cards for this machine.  Anybody have any
>opinions on RAID cards?


For RAID1, the 3ware cards are great.  I have been using them many
years.  For RAID5, I have started using the Areca SATA cards. VERY
fast.  Both are supported out of the box on FreeBSD 5.4 install CD

---Mike

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Re: RAID Cards

2005-06-27 Thread Niki Denev

I am looking to build a new file server.  I have used
Promise cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking
at Highpoint cards for this machine.  Anybody have any
opinions on RAID cards?


After the initial attempt to use Adaptec 2010S ZeroChannel raid
on one Supermicro Dual Opteron server that we use in our office,
i was really dissapointed by the abyssmal performance of this so
called raid card.
Then i have switched to GEOM stripe + mirror combination for RAID10,
and everybody is happy ever after :)
The zero channel was literally blown away by the gsripe+gmirror 
performance in the benchmarks that i have made.


--niki


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RE: RAID Cards

2005-06-27 Thread Toll, Eric
 

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> I am looking to build a new file server.  I have used
Promise 
> cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking at
Highpoint 
> cards for this machine.  Anybody have any opinions on RAID
cards?

I really like 3Ware cards.  They are true hardware (XOR)
RAID. They have a "neeto" 3DM2 web gui software interface,
and it can email you if the array gets into trouble.  I
think 3Ware has great OS support for BSD.  I am using a
3Ware RAID card with (2) WD RAID edition drives, on AMD64
(Hammer) FreeBSD without issue.

Define the array via "alt+3" in the BIOS, install BSD as you
would for a standard disk. Easy!




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RE: RAID Cards

2005-06-27 Thread Nethaniel St. Donovan
Option 6 for Freebsd boot up screen is "drop to boot commandline".
It basically lets you set certain options so the  system can load properly.
I.E. it's running 100% off the CD at that moment and if you want to turn
acpi off prior to boot you can.

Fail because whatever Linux I try (I prefer FreeBSD) the OS can't see the
raid as a valid drive. Each OS asks what drive to install to but when you
look to choose which one the Raid is never in the list of option to begin
loading on.

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> On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 12:21:02PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I can say my experience with adaptec 3200s cards has not been the most
> > fruitful. It's been 2 weeks now and I cannot even get my system to load
> past
> > the initial bootup options screen. Anything but option 6 fails. The sad
> > thing is I have a driver but I need to load some kind of os on the
> system or
> > I cannot load my driver.
> >
>   Fails how? I was not able to boot 5.4 with my Adaptec 3210S
>installed. I believe the best I got was a hang or a panic. I finally
>got the system to behave when I added OPTION ASR_TOOLS to the kernel.
> 
>   What is option 6 in the boot screen?
> 
>   Bruce
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Re: RAID Cards

2005-06-28 Thread Bruce Burden
On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 10:38:34PM -0600, Nethaniel St. Donovan wrote:
> Option 6 for Freebsd boot up screen is "drop to boot commandline".
>
Okay, that one. My problems started when I went to multi-user
mode, and the RAID logical volume was accessed.
> 
> Fail because whatever Linux I try (I prefer FreeBSD) the OS can't see the
> raid as a valid drive.
>
I am running my collection of drives as a RAID 5, but I would
   think your situation should be similiar, given the 3210S is a 
   faster version of the 3200S... Of course, I haven't tried to boot
   my RAID, it only contains user directories.

When the Adaptec 3210S POST screen comes up, does it should
   one logical disk? I trust you don't have any of the ear-piercing
   alarms going off when the card performs its POST checks.

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Re: RAID Cards

2005-06-30 Thread Danny Howard

Bob Bomar wrote:


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I am looking to build a new file server.  I have used
Promise cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking
at Highpoint cards for this machine.  Anybody have any
opinions on RAID cards? 


My 2c: RAID cards suck, because they are difficult to monitor consistently.

For a lot of my systems, I've been deploying gmirror, which can mirror a 
pair of drives, even at the system level.  Works great, easy to monitor 
through standard tools, no firmware / driver / kernel version / userland 
conflicts and generally better performance.


YMWV,
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Re: RAID Cards

2005-06-30 Thread Simon

Just because there is no monitoring tool available due to lack of support, 
doesn't
mean the card itself is bad. I much prefer hardware implementation than 
software.
True hardware RAID frees up a lot of CPU time if you have heavy IO and software
just can't keep up if you utilize CPU intensive apps.

The sad fact is most manufacturers don't receive enough FreeBSD demand to
support it :-( I wish and keep waiting for this to change one day. I would be 
very
happy then, but until then...

-Simon

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>Bob Bomar wrote:
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>> I am looking to build a new file server.  I have used
>> Promise cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking
>> at Highpoint cards for this machine.  Anybody have any
>> opinions on RAID cards? 
>
>My 2c: RAID cards suck, because they are difficult to monitor consistently.
>
>For a lot of my systems, I've been deploying gmirror, which can mirror a 
>pair of drives, even at the system level.  Works great, easy to monitor 
>through standard tools, no firmware / driver / kernel version / userland 
>conflicts and generally better performance.
>
>YMWV,
>-danny
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Re: RAID Cards

2005-06-30 Thread Danny Howard
On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 04:48:18PM -0400, Simon wrote:

> Just because there is no monitoring tool available due to lack of
> support, doesn't mean the card itself is bad. I much prefer hardware
> implementation than software.  True hardware RAID frees up a lot of
> CPU time if you have heavy IO and software just can't keep up if you
> utilize CPU intensive apps.

When you have a dual Xeon setup, you are more likely to be bound by disk
than CPU.

And a RAID that you can not monitor is a BAD RAID.

The biggest thing that bothers me about my current environment is that I
have remotely-deployed machines with RAIDs and I can't tell when a disk
goes bad unless I visit the datacenter.  Last time I was there I had a
RAID card throwing an audible alarm, even though nothing was wrong.  I
had to reboot a critical system to fix that.

If you can implement it in software, then its worth the headaches you'll
avoid with hardware dependencies.  If you're concerned at CPU overhead,
spend the cash you would have spent on a RAID card and upgrade your CPU.

Sincerely,
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Re: RAID Cards

2005-06-30 Thread Simon

It's not only CPU factor, I don't trust software RAID. As for monitoring, I can 
tell
whether or not a drive is dead via SAFTE chip and all SCSI RAID cards support
SAFTE and a proper SCSI server would have SAFTE support. As for SATA, the
3ware cards have 3dm tool to monitor the array.

-Simon

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:57:44 -0700, Danny Howard wrote:

>On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 04:48:18PM -0400, Simon wrote:
>
>> Just because there is no monitoring tool available due to lack of
>> support, doesn't mean the card itself is bad. I much prefer hardware
>> implementation than software.  True hardware RAID frees up a lot of
>> CPU time if you have heavy IO and software just can't keep up if you
>> utilize CPU intensive apps.
>
>When you have a dual Xeon setup, you are more likely to be bound by disk
>than CPU.
>
>And a RAID that you can not monitor is a BAD RAID.
>
>The biggest thing that bothers me about my current environment is that I
>have remotely-deployed machines with RAIDs and I can't tell when a disk
>goes bad unless I visit the datacenter.  Last time I was there I had a
>RAID card throwing an audible alarm, even though nothing was wrong.  I
>had to reboot a critical system to fix that.
>
>If you can implement it in software, then its worth the headaches you'll
>avoid with hardware dependencies.  If you're concerned at CPU overhead,
>spend the cash you would have spent on a RAID card and upgrade your CPU.
>
>Sincerely,
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Re: RAID Cards

2005-07-01 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Thu, 2005-Jun-30 17:18:15 -0400, Simon wrote:
>It's not only CPU factor, I don't trust software RAID.

I suspect you don't have a choice.  Either the RAID is done in the kernel
on your host system or the RAID is done in the the firmware on your RAID
card.  In either case, it's software.

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Re: RAID Cards

2005-07-01 Thread Alex Zbyslaw

Simon wrote:


Just because there is no monitoring tool available due to lack of support, 
doesn't
mean the card itself is bad. 

You wouldn't be saying that if you had had one of your RAIDed drives 
fail and had no indication whatsoever that it had done so.  IMHO, OS 
level monitoring of a RAID is vital.



The sad fact is most manufacturers don't receive enough FreeBSD demand to
support it :-( I wish and keep waiting for this to change one day. I would be 
very
happy then, but until then...
 

The sad fact is that most manufacturers are not prepared to release 
enough information about their boards for a native CLI to be written.  
Even a source code Linux driver would significantly aid a FreeBSD 
version, but most manufacturer's prefer to keep their dirty secrets hidden.


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Re: RAID Cards

2005-07-01 Thread Joseph Kerian
On 6/26/05, Bob Bomar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am looking to build a new file server.  I have used
> Promise cards exclusivly in the past, but I am looking
> at Highpoint cards for this machine.  Anybody have any
> opinions on RAID cards?

I've had no real trouble with the Highpoint 1540 SATA card. The
downloadable drivers work fine under 5.3, but the install/setup is a
bit strange.
The drivers are on a floppy disk image that you just mount. Included
in the tgz file is a pdf file that describes the installation
instructions (there is no text file with the equivelent information).

--Joe
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Re: RAID Cards

2005-07-01 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Jul 1, 2005, at 3:19 AM, Peter Jeremy wrote:


On Thu, 2005-Jun-30 17:18:15 -0400, Simon wrote:


It's not only CPU factor, I don't trust software RAID.



I suspect you don't have a choice.  Either the RAID is done in the  
kernel
on your host system or the RAID is done in the the firmware on your  
RAID

card.  In either case, it's software.


Sure, everything in the end is SW anymore, at least at a controlling  
level.  But it does not involve the OS and can have special HW  
circuits used to perform certain functions much faster.  It reduces  
the strain on the OS.


Chad

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Raid Cards & mobo

2005-10-12 Thread Ronny Hippler
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Hello all!
I am in the early stages of building a new machine to act as a file/web
server newsgroup leacher etc. I know I want to add a raid card and was
looking @ the PROMISE SATAII150 TX4 PCI SATA Controller Card. I am
running 4.10 currently with a TX2 card but looking in the hardware notes
I see only one promise card even listed for 5.4? Has all support been
dropped from FreeBSD for promise cards? Also looking at an ASUS
P4P800S-X anyone know if the sound(ADI AD1888 SoundMAX) and NIC(Realtek
RTL8101L) work in 5.4? I may consider 6.x-Beta if I can get the on board
stuff working. If none of the above are do-able I am open to suggestions
as far as RAID & NIC cards go. I would like to do RAID0+1, and if I have
to buy a separate NIC I would like it to be a Gigabit card.

Thanks in advance!
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SATA-RAID Cards

2006-05-17 Thread Perttu Laine

Same question I asked earlier on -questions list, but I'll make it here
again with new subject. :)

So does anyone know if these SATA RAID cards or one them works in FreeBSD
5.4/5.5. Some stores have freebsd on supported os list of both card, but
freebsds own hardware doesn't have either one. Card would be:

XFX Revo64 (which is basically NetCell NC3000)
Adaptec 1420SA

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Re: Raid Cards & mobo

2005-10-12 Thread Mark Kirkwood

Ronny Hippler wrote:

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Hello all!
I am in the early stages of building a new machine to act as a file/web
server newsgroup leacher etc. I know I want to add a raid card and was
looking @ the PROMISE SATAII150 TX4 PCI SATA Controller Card. I am
running 4.10 currently with a TX2 card but looking in the hardware notes
I see only one promise card even listed for 5.4? Has all support been
dropped from FreeBSD for promise cards? Also looking at an ASUS
P4P800S-X anyone know if the sound(ADI AD1888 SoundMAX) and NIC(Realtek
RTL8101L) work in 5.4? I may consider 6.x-Beta if I can get the on board
stuff working. If none of the above are do-able I am open to suggestions
as far as RAID & NIC cards go. I would like to do RAID0+1, and if I have
to buy a separate NIC I would like it to be a Gigabit card.



The Promise cards are all listed using their chip numbers (like PDC20271 
say, for a TX2000) in the newer man page for ata(4). This makes 
identification a little more complex - since without a card to look at 
it can be hard to find out the chip number! A read of 
src/sys/dev/ata/ata_chipset.c *may* be helpful.


I think the card you are after uses a PDC20622 chip, and is mentioned in 
 5.4-RELEASE ata_chipset.c, but not ata(4) man page - ran into this 
myself concerning a SX4060.


regards

Mark

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Re: Raid Cards & mobo

2005-10-13 Thread Ronny Hippler
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Mark Kirkwood wrote:
> The Promise cards are all listed using their chip numbers (like PDC20271 
> say, for a

thanks for the info I wrote promise support asking for chipsets for some
cards that I am looking at.

I am also considering the FastTrak TX4200 card anyone have any
experience with this card?

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Re: SATA-RAID Cards

2006-05-17 Thread Perttu Laine

On 5/18/06, Perttu Laine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



So does anyone know if these SATA RAID cards or one them works in FreeBSD
5.4/5.5. Some stores have freebsd on supported os list of both card, but
freebsds own hardware doesn't have either one. Card would be:

XFX Revo64 (which is basically NetCell NC3000)
Adaptec 1420SA



Ok. So it seems Adaptec has marvel 88SX* chipset which is supported but it's
not hardware raid after all.
So question remains - does XFX Revo64 work with FreeBSD 5.4/5.5 with some
driver?

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Re: SATA-RAID Cards

2006-05-17 Thread Mike Jakubik

Perttu Laine wrote:

Same question I asked earlier on -questions list, but I'll make it here
again with new subject. :)

So does anyone know if these SATA RAID cards or one them works in FreeBSD
5.4/5.5. Some stores have freebsd on supported os list of both card, but
freebsds own hardware doesn't have either one. Card would be:

XFX Revo64 (which is basically NetCell NC3000)
Adaptec 1420SA



Not quite sure what you just said there, but have a look at 
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.1R/hardware-i386.html . Replace arch 
with your own for detailed info.


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Re: SATA-RAID Cards

2006-05-17 Thread Perttu Laine

On 5/18/06, Mike Jakubik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> XFX Revo64 (which is basically NetCell NC3000)

Not quite sure what you just said there, but have a look at
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.1R/hardware-i386.html . Replace arch
with your own for detailed info.



I wouldn't ask if it was in that list. It's not. But many online stores are
listing FreeBSD on supported OS list of that card. That's why I'm askin it
here.

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Re: SATA-RAID Cards

2006-05-18 Thread Mike Jakubik

Perttu Laine wrote:

On 5/18/06, Mike Jakubik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> XFX Revo64 (which is basically NetCell NC3000)

Not quite sure what you just said there, but have a look at
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.1R/hardware-i386.html . Replace arch
with your own for detailed info.


I wouldn't ask if it was in that list. It's not. But many online 
stores are
listing FreeBSD on supported OS list of that card. That's why I'm 
askin it

here.



Then it probably is NOT supported, unless the manufacturer provides 
drivers. Having googled for this product, they don't seem to, just 
Linux. I would stay away from this product.


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Re: SATA-RAID Cards

2006-05-18 Thread Mike Tancsa
On Thu, 18 May 2006 08:21:25 +0300, in sentex.lists.freebsd.hardware
you wrote:

>Same question I asked earlier on -questions list, but I'll make it here
>again with new subject. :)
>

I would go with the 3ware or the ARECA.

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Re: SATA-RAID Cards

2006-05-29 Thread Alex Dyas

On Thu, 18 May 2006, Perttu Laine wrote:

Same question I asked earlier on -questions list, but I'll make it here
again with new subject. :)

So does anyone know if these SATA RAID cards or one them works in FreeBSD
5.4/5.5. Some stores have freebsd on supported os list of both card, but
freebsds own hardware doesn't have either one. Card would be:

XFX Revo64 (which is basically NetCell NC3000)
Adaptec 1420SA



Sorry for the late reply, but for what it's worth I've been very pleased
with the Highpoint 1640 SATA RAID card. They supply dirvers for FreeBSD.
You may want to check it out.

http://www.highpoint-tech.com/

Alex..
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