Re: Recommended SATA controllers

2007-05-24 Thread vladimir konrad
  are you sure that they are not SiI 3114 ? i had similar discussion
  on this list a while ago and 3114 was said to be the good one
  and the 3112 the bad one.
 
 Yup.  Just checked the hotstamp on the chip: 3112.  Is it possible
 that some boards which used the 3112 chip were made and that those
 manufacturing problems have been since fixed?

it is possible that both - the hardware and FreeBSD support for it
improved to the point, when it makes no difference whether it is 3112 or
3114... (but i am not sure about it)

vlad


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Re: Recommended SATA controllers

2007-05-22 Thread vladimir konrad
 As far as the Sil3112 chips go, I'm using them everywhere and they
 work quite well.  Sometimes less is more.

are you sure that they are not SiI 3114 ? i had similar discussion on
this list a while ago and 3114 was said to be the good one
and the 3112 the bad one.

vlad


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Re: Recommended SATA controllers

2007-05-22 Thread Rick C. Petty
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 09:36:31AM +0100, vladimir konrad wrote:
  As far as the Sil3112 chips go, I'm using them everywhere and they
  work quite well.  Sometimes less is more.
 
 are you sure that they are not SiI 3114 ? i had similar discussion on
 this list a while ago and 3114 was said to be the good one
 and the 3112 the bad one.

Yup.  Just checked the hotstamp on the chip: 3112.  Is it possible that
some boards which used the 3112 chip were made and that those manufacturing
problems have been since fixed?

-- Rick C. Petty
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Re: Recommended SATA controllers

2007-05-21 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Mike Jakubik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I find that the Intel series (ICH) controllers are solid and have good
 support (i.e. Hot swap)

Intel's SATA controllers are not available as add-on cards.  ICH is
short for I/O Controller Hub, i.e. the motherboard's south bridge.

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Re: Recommended SATA controllers

2007-05-21 Thread Ben Stuyts


On 19 May 2007, at 10:56, Adriaan de Groot wrote:


On Saturday 19 May 2007 01:34:01 Charles Sprickman wrote:

Looking to spend under $70 or so, which I'm guessing is a pretty high
ceiling for a non-RAID card.


Various Promise controllers (TX2, TX4, 4302) fall in the high end  
of that
range, as do (PCI 2-port) SiI 3112 controllers. There's also the  
SiI 3124
(PCI-X 4-port) and SiI 3132 (PCIe x1 2-port) but those are in - 
CURRENT only
or you need to MFC them yourself (I can give you a tarball of that,  
but
obviously those are all way off the supported track). Those SiI  
cards will go

for about $30, I think.


I'd vote against a TX2 or SIL3112 based solution on FreeBSD-6:

TX2: I can't get my system to boot with the TX2plus card, as BTX  
crashes. (Reported here, but unfortunately no solution found.)


SIL3112: My mainboard (GA-8KNXP) has an onboard SIL3112 controller,  
and it is useless. It locks up randomly.


Maybe I should try my luck with a 3ware card.

Ben

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Re: Recommended SATA controllers

2007-05-21 Thread Rick C. Petty
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 10:28:49PM +0200, Ben Stuyts wrote:
 
 I'd vote against a TX2 or SIL3112 based solution on FreeBSD-6:
 
 TX2: I can't get my system to boot with the TX2plus card, as BTX  
 crashes. (Reported here, but unfortunately no solution found.)
 
 SIL3112: My mainboard (GA-8KNXP) has an onboard SIL3112 controller,  
 and it is useless. It locks up randomly.

I recommend almost the opposite-- the Promise TX4 cards seem pretty nice,
and under moderate loads I don't see any problems.  However, I still
haven't located the issue with dropped drives being able to be reprobed.

As far as the Sil3112 chips go, I'm using them everywhere and they work
quite well.  Sometimes less is more.

I suspect those random lockups are related to the mainboard and not the
chip itself, but others have reported problems with these chips-- I have
yet to witness any of the reported problems.

-- Rick C. Petty
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Re: Recommended SATA controllers

2007-05-21 Thread Anton
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 06:06:44PM -0400, Charles Sprickman wrote:
 
 I have a fairly nice dual-xeon Supermicro 1U that needs some parts.  It 
 has onboard PATA and I'd like to throw some SATA drives in and get an SATA 
 backplane for it (machine has hot swap bays, it's missing any sort of 
 backplane).
 
 I'll need to put some kind of SATA controller in there.  What can I buy 
 that's known to be very stable under 6.2?  I recall that in the past some 
 onboard SATA controllers were a little sketchy...

I had fought with some controllers for about 4 month, so I just can tell about 
my experience.
SIL3112 - doesnt work with more than 1 disk.
Promise FastTrak TX2300: in 5.*-branch it works worse than SIL3112, it reboot 
or freezing system. But! At 6.1 I really can sleep well.
It works, nice and quiet, for now:

atapci0: Promise PDC20771 SATA300 controller port 0xdc00-0xdc7f,0xd800-0xd8ff 
mem 0xff8ff000-0xff8f,0xff8c-0xff8d irq 18 at device 2.0 on pci1

uname:  FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p11 FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p11 #0: Wed Dec 20 21:48:32 
MSK 2006

uptime:  1:43  up 151 days, 14:16, 5 users

Constantly read: 1,5Mbytes (10Mbps upload almost 24/7) for all this time. I 
dont go to 6.2 yet, so I'm not sure, how it will be on it.

That for cheap controllers. 
As for more price: 
amr0: LSILogic MegaRAID SATA 150-6D Firmware 713N, BIOS G119, 64MB RAM
Works without *any* troubles 102 days from last reboot + 1,5 year until last 
reboot =) 6 drives, mysql... but price surely different =)

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Re: Recommended SATA controllers

2007-05-21 Thread Gary Corcoran

Tim Aslat wrote:

In the immortal words of Adriaan de Groot  on 05/19/07 18:26:
Various Promise controllers (TX2, TX4, 4302) fall in the high end of 
that range, as do (PCI 2-port) SiI 3112 controllers. There's also the 
SiI 3124 (PCI-X 4-port) and SiI 3132 (PCIe x1 2-port) but those are in 
-CURRENT only or you need to MFC them yourself (I can give you a 
tarball of that, but obviously those are all way off the supported 
track). Those SiI cards will go for about $30, I think.


I'm running (well, trying to) the TX2 card from Promise but I've had no 
end of trouble lately with it losing drives.  I'm actually suspecting 
the mainboard as the board has been suspect for some time, but since 
this is a backup server I was hoping I might have gotten away with it.


Alas, in the gmirror raid configuration I have, I regularly lose at 
least one and sometimes both drives, and my only option is to power off 
the machine and restart.  This problem has been getting progressively 
worse now over the past couple of weeks, and I'm not sure if it's the 
controller or the mainboard.


Anyone else having this problem?


I've had drives go bad, such that upon powerup, the Promise controller BIOS
wouldn't even see the drive.  And later, as the drive got closer to death,
it started making the *other* drive on the same IDE cable also fail.
Removing the dying/dead drive from the cable made the other drive work again.

Incidentally, the machine is running a reasonably recent version of 
FreeNAS (based on 6.2 Release) 1G Ram and p4 CPU.  I don't know offhand 
the mainboard spec but I can find out if it's needed.


Hopefully someone can tell me it's the mainboard rather than the 
controller, since it's going to be easier getting a new mainboard.


I'd look into the possible need to replace one of your disk drives...

Gary
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Re: Recommended SATA controllers

2007-05-19 Thread Adriaan de Groot
On Saturday 19 May 2007 01:34:01 Charles Sprickman wrote:
 Looking to spend under $70 or so, which I'm guessing is a pretty high
 ceiling for a non-RAID card.

Various Promise controllers (TX2, TX4, 4302) fall in the high end of that 
range, as do (PCI 2-port) SiI 3112 controllers. There's also the SiI 3124 
(PCI-X 4-port) and SiI 3132 (PCIe x1 2-port) but those are in -CURRENT only 
or you need to MFC them yourself (I can give you a tarball of that, but 
obviously those are all way off the supported track). Those SiI cards will go 
for about $30, I think.

ICH is -- unless Intel has suddenly started packaging them on discrete 
cards -- probably not an option.

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Recommended SATA controllers

2007-05-18 Thread Charles Sprickman

Hi all,

I have a fairly nice dual-xeon Supermicro 1U that needs some parts.  It 
has onboard PATA and I'd like to throw some SATA drives in and get an SATA 
backplane for it (machine has hot swap bays, it's missing any sort of 
backplane).


I'll need to put some kind of SATA controller in there.  What can I buy 
that's known to be very stable under 6.2?  I recall that in the past some 
onboard SATA controllers were a little sketchy...


Thanks,

Charles
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Re: Recommended SATA controllers

2007-05-18 Thread Mike Jakubik

Charles Sprickman wrote:

Hi all,

I have a fairly nice dual-xeon Supermicro 1U that needs some parts.  
It has onboard PATA and I'd like to throw some SATA drives in and get 
an SATA backplane for it (machine has hot swap bays, it's missing any 
sort of backplane).


I'll need to put some kind of SATA controller in there.  What can I 
buy that's known to be very stable under 6.2?  I recall that in the 
past some onboard SATA controllers were a little sketchy...


I find that the Intel series (ICH) controllers are solid and have good 
support (i.e. Hot swap)



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Recommended SATA controllers?

2007-05-09 Thread Dieter
Looking for some form of SATA controller with good support.
Currently running FreeBSD 6.2.  Bonus points if it also works well
with NetBSD  Linux (machine triple boots).  I don't need RAID.

Has there been any progress getting a driver working for Silicon Image 3124?

Or any SATA controller with NCQ?

Do any of the USB to SATA controllers work well under FreeBSD?
Or 1394/firewire to SATA?

PCI slots are full.  PCIe-x1, USB-2, firewire-400 available.
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