Re: HEADS UP multi processor compilations and packages

[perryh]

Pav Lucistnik  wrote:
> Brian Whalen p??e v ?t 24. 03. 2009 v 12:08 -0700:
> > On a related topic, I wonder what the cost would be of acquiring
> > enough hardware so that the probability of actually getting a
> > package with portupgrade -aP would go up substantially ...
>
> It's more a question of creating a new delivery platform, because
> the currently used ftp mirrorring is useless for packages. The
> whole process of synchronizing from upstream server introduces
> _days_ of delay into the process,

presumably addressable by adding bandwidth, which would need to
be included in "the cost ... of acquiring enough hardware ..."

> and there is no guarantee that you don't catch an upload in
> progress, which renders whole mirror useless for a time period.

I would have thought that judicious use of snapshots could avoid
problems with in-progress updates.
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Re: HEADS UP multi processor compilations for everyone

[Pav Lucistnik]

Anonymous píše v st 25. 03. 2009 v 09:26 +0300:
> Pav Lucistnik  writes:
> 
> > If you are FreeBSD port maintainer:
> 
> I'm not one.
> 
> >
> > Nothing changes for you, if you don't want. If you want to enable the
> > use of multiple cores in your port, add MAKE_JOBS_SAFE=yes to a block
> > somewhere below dependency declarations. If you know your port does not
> > handle -jX well, and want to disable it from using -jX even when user
> > forces this feature, use MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=yes. And that's all to it.
> 
> Not all ports build using make/gmake. Wouldn't it be better to export
> the number of parallel processes so maintainer can decide whether to use
> it in his port build system? For example
> 
> Is this completely discouraged?

I suppose you can use internal variable _MAKE_JOBS directly. Why are you
stripping -j just to add it back again?

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Re: HEADS UP multi processor compilations and packages

[Pav Lucistnik]

per...@pluto.rain.com píše v st 25. 03. 2009 v 00:23 -0700:
> Pav Lucistnik  wrote:
> > Brian Whalen p??e v ?t 24. 03. 2009 v 12:08 -0700:
> > > On a related topic, I wonder what the cost would be of acquiring
> > > enough hardware so that the probability of actually getting a
> > > package with portupgrade -aP would go up substantially ...
> >
> > It's more a question of creating a new delivery platform, because
> > the currently used ftp mirrorring is useless for packages. The
> > whole process of synchronizing from upstream server introduces
> > _days_ of delay into the process,
> 
> presumably addressable by adding bandwidth, which would need to
> be included in "the cost ... of acquiring enough hardware ..."

Bandwidth is okay, but rsync is just too slow. Serial synchronization on
this amount of data does not work feasibly.

> > and there is no guarantee that you don't catch an upload in
> > progress, which renders whole mirror useless for a time period.
> 
> I would have thought that judicious use of snapshots could avoid
> problems with in-progress updates.

Yes, but current ftp mirrors does not have enough space to hold several
snapshots of same package set. Thus, the need for new platform.

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FreeBSD Port: ffmpeg-2008.07.27_9

[Laurens Kistenkas [Nedbase ICT]]

Dear sir,

On the 10th of March 2009 FFmpeg 0.5 was released. Can you tell me if 
this version will be ported to FreeBSD, and if so, do you have an idea 
about a release date of this port?


Thanks in advance.

With kind regards,

Laurens Kistenkas

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Re: HEADS UP multi processor compilations for everyone

[Anonymous]

Pav Lucistnik  writes:

> Anonymous pí¹e v st 25. 03. 2009 v 09:26 +0300:
>> Pav Lucistnik  writes:
>> 
>> > If you are FreeBSD port maintainer:
>> 
>> I'm not one.
>> 
>> >
>> > Nothing changes for you, if you don't want. If you want to enable the
>> > use of multiple cores in your port, add MAKE_JOBS_SAFE=yes to a block
>> > somewhere below dependency declarations. If you know your port does not
>> > handle -jX well, and want to disable it from using -jX even when user
>> > forces this feature, use MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE=yes. And that's all to it.
>> 
>> Not all ports build using make/gmake. Wouldn't it be better to export
>> the number of parallel processes so maintainer can decide whether to use
>> it in his port build system? For example
>> 
>> Is this completely discouraged?
>
> I suppose you can use internal variable _MAKE_JOBS directly. Why are you
> stripping -j just to add it back again?

Oh, so you're not against the idea. The substitution was to be able to
easy replace it with something else.

FYI, that example went to ports/133054.
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Re: HEADS UP multi processor compilations for everyone

[Pav Lucistnik]

Anonymous píše v st 25. 03. 2009 v 12:51 +0300:

> FYI, that example went to ports/133054.

Cool. Just a side note -- boost is having a major overhaul, so you might
want to coordinate with the folks who currently do the work, too.

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Re: MAKE_JOBS_SAFE with gmake

[Tilman Linneweh]

On Mar 24, 2009, at 20:43, Doug Barton wrote:

I'm testing my ports for MAKE_JOBS_SAFE-ness, and came across this
message when building xscreensaver (which uses gmake):

gmake[1]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1.  Add `+' to
parent make rule.

I have zero gmake fu, can anyone help me make sense of that? The good
news is that the build finished successfully ...


I have noticed that this happens if somewhere in the Buildsystem a  
sub-make is called with

"make"/"gmake" instead of "$(MAKE)"
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Updating the "Mailscanner" port

[Jerry]

Is the Mailscanner port still being maintained? The last version in
ports is 4.67.6_3 while version 4.74 has been available from the
Mailscanner site since the beginning of January. I tried contacting the
maintainer, "j.koopm...@seceidos.de" without success.

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Re: MAKE_JOBS_SAFE with gmake

[Doug Barton]

Tilman Linneweh wrote:
> 
> On Mar 24, 2009, at 20:43, Doug Barton wrote:
>> I'm testing my ports for MAKE_JOBS_SAFE-ness, and came across this
>> message when building xscreensaver (which uses gmake):
>>
>> gmake[1]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1.  Add `+' to
>> parent make rule.
>>
>> I have zero gmake fu, can anyone help me make sense of that? The good
>> news is that the build finished successfully ...
> 
> I have noticed that this happens if somewhere in the Buildsystem a
> sub-make is called with
> "make"/"gmake" instead of "$(MAKE)"

Thanks for the suggestion. I don't see that anywhere in the Makefiles
(except for some testing/maintenance target that we don't use).


Doug

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Anybody working on updating devel/subversion to 1.6.0?

[Cory R. King]

Howdy,

Anybody working on upgrading devel/subversion to 1.6.0?  If not, I might
take a stab at it.  Since it touches so many things, like say the entire
repository, I'd be nervous doing it--I'd probably break things (neon?
libapr? All the bindings?)

Thoughts?
 
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Re: HEADS UP multi processor compilations for everyone

[Dmitry Marakasov]

* Pav Lucistnik (p...@freebsd.org) wrote:

> > > This would break very fast -- it's passing -j3 to port Makefile instead
> > > of vendor Makefile.
> > 
> > This has worked fine for me for countless years, except where the
> > vendor's Makefiles were not parallel-safe. This has been my trick to get
> > larger things (like mysql or xorg-server) to make in parallel. It *did*
> > work. If this has changed, then it definitely warrants mention in
> > UPDATING.
> 
> Then it must have worked all these years by pure chance :)

Be the way, could anyone clarify how this works? My idea was that
passing -j to port Makefile does nothing, as make/gmake on vendor's
Makefile is ran without any -j flags -> you get usual singlethreaded
build. However, I have a broken port, which uses gmake and something
like that:

sometarget:
  (cd xxx; make)

and that fails with -j (make: illegal option -- -). So is there
some magic with recursive make calls and -j?

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Re: HEADS UP multi processor compilations for everyone

[Dmitry Marakasov]

* Pav Lucistnik (p...@freebsd.org) wrote:

Great, that was just about time.

My question is whenther that would be enabled on pointyhat. I fear
that error logs may become far less readable with output from
multiple commands mixed together.

We may also consider using -P option for BSD make for that reason
(althrough there's no equivalent for GNU make).

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Re: HEADS UP multi processor compilations for everyone

[Pav Lucistnik]

Dmitry Marakasov píše v st 25. 03. 2009 v 19:36 +0300:
> * Pav Lucistnik (p...@freebsd.org) wrote:
> 
> Great, that was just about time.
> 
> My question is whenther that would be enabled on pointyhat. I fear
> that error logs may become far less readable with output from
> multiple commands mixed together.

pointyhat observes the same rules and conditions as the end user, for
obvious reasons. So ports marked 'safe' will be parallelized, others
will not.

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to regret trusting us; we have no intention of apologizing for it or
even explaining it adequately; now go get your patch, shut up, and be
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Re: [FreeBSD] / ports / net-p2p / deluge

[Dmitry Marakasov]

* dan (mesli...@yahoo.fr) wrote:

> Today I tried to compile "deluge" . I had a stop in the make process . 
> The error I discovered  is the same as : 
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=353897 . I applied the same 
> suggested temporary fix .

That must have been my boost 1.37 compatibility fix. I've reverted it for now.

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Re: HEADS UP multi processor compilations for everyone

[Coleman Kane]

On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 19:30 +0300, Dmitry Marakasov wrote:
> * Pav Lucistnik (p...@freebsd.org) wrote:
> 
> > > > This would break very fast -- it's passing -j3 to port Makefile instead
> > > > of vendor Makefile.
> > > 
> > > This has worked fine for me for countless years, except where the
> > > vendor's Makefiles were not parallel-safe. This has been my trick to get
> > > larger things (like mysql or xorg-server) to make in parallel. It *did*
> > > work. If this has changed, then it definitely warrants mention in
> > > UPDATING.
> > 
> > Then it must have worked all these years by pure chance :)
> 
> Be the way, could anyone clarify how this works? My idea was that
> passing -j to port Makefile does nothing, as make/gmake on vendor's
> Makefile is ran without any -j flags -> you get usual singlethreaded
> build. However, I have a broken port, which uses gmake and something
> like that:
> 
> sometarget:
>   (cd xxx; make)
> 
> and that fails with -j (make: illegal option -- -). So is there
> some magic with recursive make calls and -j?
> 

When processing a Makefile, make's that support concurrent operation
look for targets that will execute the $(MAKE) program. Whenever a
compliant make is run (make or gmake), if it detects $(MAKE) in a rule
then it will automatically expand that rule into a child process that
has some sort of magical connection to the parent process. The
connection allows the different make processes to share the same pool of
"process count" resources amongst each other.

I am not sure what the implementation is, but this communication
mechanism allows child "make" processes called with "$(MAKE) ..." from
inside a Makefile to globally only use N children (from -j N), and
otherwise block until more "free jobs" are available amongst their
shared job pool.

I hope that's clear... Probably more so than the explanation given on
GNU make's manual.

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Re: Inline definition problem in current

[Doug Barton]

David Schultz wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009, Doug Barton wrote:
>> I am trying to compile gimp on -current right now and x11/babl and
>> graphics/gegl both have this problem. Take a look at
>> http://pointyhat.freebsd.org/errorlogs/i386-8-failure.html for more
>> examples (click on the link on the right under Package to see the
>> logs). There are currently over 600 broken ports in -current, all the
>> ones I clicked on in a completely bogus sample had this same problem.
> 
> My bug; I missed an important line when merging from gcc trunk 122565.
> Instead of reporting:
> 
> error: nested function 'foo' declared but never defined
> 
> gcc should have been reporting:
> 
> warning: inline function 'foo' declared but never defined
> 
> I'll check in a fix as soon as I run a buildworld.

Thanks for jumping on this. With your latest version the two ports I
mentioned above compile just fine with no modifications to the source.


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Re: Anybody working on updating devel/subversion to 1.6.0?

[Gary Jennejohn]

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:54:14 -0700
"Cory R. King"  wrote:

> Howdy,
> 
> Anybody working on upgrading devel/subversion to 1.6.0?  If not, I might
> take a stab at it.  Since it touches so many things, like say the entire
> repository, I'd be nervous doing it--I'd probably break things (neon?
> libapr? All the bindings?)
> 
> Thoughts?
>  

IIRC I saw a mail on the committers list today with some questions
about the upgrade, which is apparently pretty hairy for various reasons.

So, I'm pretty sure a committer is already working on it.

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Re: [FreeBSD] / ports / net-p2p / deluge

[dan]

Hi,

Thank you for the offer. But I don't think I am able to maintain it : 
deluge talks "python" and I dont know it. Maybe I should start from any 
"C port". Is there a list of orphan ports ?


dan


Wesley Shields wrote:

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 05:11:02PM +0100, dan wrote:
  

Hi,

Today I tried to compile "deluge" . I had a stop in the make process . 
The error I discovered  is the same as : 
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=353897 . I applied the same 
suggested temporary fix .


Would you need me to open a PR with details ?



There is no maintainer for this port.  Please file a PR with the details
so it doesn't get lost in the noise.

As there is currently no maintainer are you willing to maintain it?

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Re: [FreeBSD] / ports / net-p2p / deluge

[Wesley Shields]

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 06:37:51PM +0100, dan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Thank you for the offer. But I don't think I am able to maintain it : 
> deluge talks "python" and I dont know it. Maybe I should start from any 
> "C port". Is there a list of orphan ports ?

Yes, there was a rather long thread on this list a few months ago
started by Thomas Abthorpe about adopting orphaned ports.  That thread
has pointers to multiple ways to find orphaned ports.  I'd recommend
finding ones that need actual work instead of just sending in PRs that
change just the maintainer.

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INDEX build failed for 6.x

[Erwin Lansing]

INDEX build failed with errors:
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pkg_info: not found
pkg_info: not found
pkg_info: not found
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make_index: p5-Authen-DecHpwd-2.004: no entry for 
/usr/ports/devel/p5-Data-Integer
make_index: p5-Authen-DecHpwd-2.004: no entry for 
/usr/ports/devel/p5-Scalar-String
make_index: p5-Authen-DecHpwd-2.004: no entry for 
/usr/ports/devel/p5-Data-Integer
make_index: p5-Authen-DecHpwd-2.004: no entry for 
/usr/ports/devel/p5-Scalar-String

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U x11/roxterm/Makefile
U x11/slock/Makefile
U x11-wm/transset-df/Makefile
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Re: [FreeBSD] / ports / net-p2p / deluge

[Doug Barton]

Wesley Shields wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 06:37:51PM +0100, dan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thank you for the offer. But I don't think I am able to maintain it : 
>> deluge talks "python" and I dont know it. Maybe I should start from any 
>> "C port". Is there a list of orphan ports ?
> 
> Yes, there was a rather long thread on this list a few months ago
> started by Thomas Abthorpe about adopting orphaned ports.  That thread
> has pointers to multiple ways to find orphaned ports.  I'd recommend
> finding ones that need actual work instead of just sending in PRs that
> change just the maintainer.

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi?category=ports&sort=none&responsible=freebsd-ports


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INDEX now builds successfully on 6.x

[Erwin Lansing]

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PYEASYINSTALL_ARCHDEP makes broken packages

[Stef Walter]

The PYEASYINSTALL_ARCHDEP=YES port option makes packages [1] that can
only be installed on the same specific patch level of FreeBSD.

For example if you build net/py-ldap2 as a package on FreeBSD
7.1-RELEASE-p3 then it won't install on a FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p4 system.

PR: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=133081

Any suggestions for how to proceed with fixing this problem? I have
patches, but I think that's just the first step.

Cheers,

Stef


[1] The following ports are affected:

audio/py-tagpy
databases/py-MySQLdb-devel
databases/py-pg_pqueue
devel/py-jsonlib
devel/py-pylib
devel/py-lxml
devel/py-cheetah
devel/py-fusefs
devel/py-ruledispatch
devel/py-Jinja
devel/py-ll-core
devel/py-rbtree
devel/py-durus
devel/py-rtree
devel/py-Jinja2
devel/py-traits
devel/py-protocols-devel
devel/py-xattr
devel/py-icu
devel/py-simplejson
devel/py-zopeInterface
devel/py-mwlib.ext
devel/py-mwlib
math/py-igraph
net/py-ldap2
net/py-zopeproxy
security/py-m2crypto
security/py-pycryptopp
security/py-posix1e
textproc/py-rdflib
textproc/py-genshi
www/py-amf
www/xist

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