Re: Linux compatibility with more than one Linux installed?

2011-12-06 Thread Thomas Mueller
 The X server has a unix socket somewhere in /tmp. Normally this is used 
 instead of a TCP connection to the localhost. You need to change the DISPLAY
 env-variable to use a TCP connection, or you need o make the unix socket 
 available to the chrooted linux-env.
 
 The linuxulator in FreeBSD is nearly linux 2.6.16 compatible. We lack inotify 
 and epoll support which the 2.6.16 kernel normally supports. If your system 
 does
 not depend upon inotify, epoll and anything newer than 2.6.16, it should 
 work. If you give it a try, please report success or failure to
 emulat...@freebsd.org.
  
 Bye,
 Alexander.

Now I might have something to try, but it is very unlikely that I would build a 
Linux kernel = 2.6.16, especially with new hardware that might need the latest 
drivers.  I will primarily want to run Linux natively rather than under FreeBSD.

I think emulators/linux_dist-gentoo-stage3 and 
emulators/linux_base-gentoo-stage3 must use kernel far beyond 2.6.16.

But I think, when chrooting into Linux from FreeBSD, FreeBSD kernel is the one 
in effect.

Tom

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Re: Linux compatibility with more than one Linux installed?

2011-12-06 Thread Zhihao Yuan
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Thomas Mueller
mueller6...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 The X server has a unix socket somewhere in /tmp. Normally this is used 
 instead of a TCP connection to the localhost. You need to change the DISPLAY
 env-variable to use a TCP connection, or you need o make the unix socket 
 available to the chrooted linux-env.

 The linuxulator in FreeBSD is nearly linux 2.6.16 compatible. We lack 
 inotify and epoll support which the 2.6.16 kernel normally supports. If your 
 system does
 not depend upon inotify, epoll and anything newer than 2.6.16, it should 
 work. If you give it a try, please report success or failure to
 emulat...@freebsd.org.

 Bye,
 Alexander.

 Now I might have something to try, but it is very unlikely that I would build 
 a Linux kernel = 2.6.16, especially with new hardware that might need the 
 latest drivers.  I will primarily want to run Linux natively rather than 
 under FreeBSD.

 I think emulators/linux_dist-gentoo-stage3 and 
 emulators/linux_base-gentoo-stage3 must use kernel far beyond 2.6.16.

 But I think, when chrooting into Linux from FreeBSD, FreeBSD kernel is the 
 one in effect.


Not really. The actual thing is, linuxulator is a Linux kernel running
as a FreeBSD kernel module. The only thing FreeBSD kernel do is to
identify the Linux program and to pass it to the Linux kernel. To the
Linux programs inside a GNU chroot enviroment, they think they are
running inside a Linux box and actually they are running inside a
Linux box. To the Linux programs running under a FreeBSD base, they
may identify that the base is not GNU by invoking some external
programs like `uname`. However, we can replace their sh with
/compat/linux/bin/sh, so that they are blind again.

 Tom

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Re: Linux compatibility with more than one Linux installed?

2011-12-06 Thread RW
On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 04:54:18 -0600
Zhihao Yuan wrote:


 Not really. The actual thing is, linuxulator is a Linux kernel running
 as a FreeBSD kernel module. The only thing FreeBSD kernel do is to
 identify the Linux program and to pass it to the Linux kernel. To the
 Linux programs inside a GNU chroot enviroment, they think they are
 running inside a Linux box and actually they are running inside a
 Linux box. 

Are you sure about that? I was under the impression that it was a
fairly thin emulation layer on top of the FreeBSD kernel. Has something
changed?
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Re: Linux compatibility with more than one Linux installed?

2011-12-06 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Hi,

you don't need to install an old linux kernel. It depends upon the features 
used by the userland stuff. It is possible to compile glibc to use all 
features, or to compile it in a way it works on an old kernel too (I have no 
idea about the details involved). So all depends upon the linux-distribution 
you use.

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errors. Thomas Mueller mueller6...@bellsouth.net hat geschrieben: The X 
server has a unix socket somewhere in /tmp. Normally this is used instead of a 
TCP connection to the localhost. You need to change the DISPLAY
 env-variable to use a TCP connection, or you need o make the unix socket 
 available to the chrooted linux-env.

 The linuxulator in FreeBSD is nearly linux 2.6.16 compatible. We lack inotify 
 and epoll support which the 2.6.16 kernel normally supports. If your system 
 does
 not depend upon inotify, epoll and anything newer than 2.6.16, it should 
 work. If you give it a try, please report success or failure to
 emulat...@freebsd.org.
  
 Bye,
 Alexander.

Now I might have something to try, but it is very unlikely that I would build a 
Linux kernel = 2.6.16, especially with new hardware that might need the latest 
drivers.  I will primarily want to run Linux natively rather than under FreeBSD.

I think emulators/linux_dist-gentoo-stage3 and 
emulators/linux_base-gentoo-stage3 must use kernel far beyond 2.6.16.

But I think, when chrooting into Linux from FreeBSD, FreeBSD kernel is the one 
in effect.

Tom

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Re: Linux compatibility with more than one Linux installed?

2011-12-06 Thread Zhihao Yuan
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:21 AM, RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote:
 On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 04:54:18 -0600
 Zhihao Yuan wrote:


 Not really. The actual thing is, linuxulator is a Linux kernel running
 as a FreeBSD kernel module. The only thing FreeBSD kernel do is to
 identify the Linux program and to pass it to the Linux kernel. To the
 Linux programs inside a GNU chroot enviroment, they think they are
 running inside a Linux box and actually they are running inside a
 Linux box.

 Are you sure about that? I was under the impression that it was a
 fairly thin emulation layer on top of the FreeBSD kernel. Has something
 changed?

To Linux program, there is no emulation layer. This technology
should be called extended ELF lookup table, and has nothing to do
with emulation.

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Re: Linux compatibility with more than one Linux installed?

2011-12-06 Thread Zhihao Yuan
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:45 AM, RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote:
 On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 06:29:03 -0600
 Zhihao Yuan wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:21 AM, RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote:
  On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 04:54:18 -0600
  Zhihao Yuan wrote:
 
 
  Not really. The actual thing is, linuxulator is a Linux kernel
  running as a FreeBSD kernel module. The only thing FreeBSD kernel
  do is to identify the Linux program and to pass it to the Linux
  kernel. To the Linux programs inside a GNU chroot enviroment, they
  think they are running inside a Linux box and actually they are
  running inside a Linux box.
 
  Are you sure about that? I was under the impression that it was a
  fairly thin emulation layer on top of the FreeBSD kernel. Has
  something changed?

 To Linux program, there is no emulation layer. This technology
 should be called extended ELF lookup table, and has nothing to do
 with emulation.

 It's not emulation in the narrow sense that vmware is emulation and
 wine isn't, but it certainly is emulation within the normal sense or the
 word. My dictionary defines emulate as imitate zealously.

 But what I was getting at was the statement linuxulator is a Linux
 kernel running as a FreeBSD kernel module which I'm guessing now you
 didn't mean literally.

FreeBSD handbook:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/linuxemu-advanced.html

In effect, there is a Linux kernel in the FreeBSD kernel; the various
underlying functions that implement all of the services provided by
the kernel are identical to both the FreeBSD system call table
entries, and the Linux system call table entries: file system
operations, virtual memory operations, signal delivery, System V IPC,
etc...

So, if you define a Linux kernel as every thing written by Linus and
his followers, then I'm wrong; but if you agree that Android is not
GNU but it does run a Linux kernel, then I'm probably right.

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Re: xbmc pvr in ports; update, please test with MythTV too! :)

2011-12-06 Thread Bernhard Froehlich

On 05.12.2011 19:56, Juergen Lock wrote:

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:37:19PM +0100, Juergen Lock wrote:

Hi!

 So I learned there are actually releases of xbmc pvr already, which
means nothing should stop us from committing it to ports too? :)

 Now I'm wondering if this needs to be repocopied from the xbmc port
first since it's kind of a fork...  Few patches still apply and I 
see

libreoffice also wasn't repocopied from openoffice, so maybe not?

 The patch against the xbmc port is here:

http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/tmp/xbmc-pvr-ppa-odk55.patch

 (I just see I haven't added CONFLICTS_INSTALL with xbmc yet, will
do that later.)

 It still seems to work with my older xvdr addon and vdr plugin 
ports,

but maybe I should update those again too before committing:

http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/tmp/xbmc-addon-xvdr.shar
http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/tmp/vdr-plugin-xvdr.shar

 Of course everyone is welcome to test... :)  (I only tested with 
vdr,

not with mythtv.)
Juergen


I just updated to the latest release pvr-ppa-odk56:

http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/tmp/xbmc-pvr-ppa-odk56.patch

 It would be nice if someone could verify this works with mythtv too
before I commit it...


Wow this is a pretty big update. Are you sure this is the way to go 
with
the original multimedia/xbmc port? I would prefer sticking to the 
upstream

version with multimedia/xbmc and have such an custom branch in another
port that also reflects this from the name.

Do you know about the xbmc-devel port that he maintains on redports?

http://redports.org/browser/fneufneu/multimedia

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Re: xbmc pvr in ports; update, please test with MythTV too! :)

2011-12-06 Thread Mickaël Maillot
Hi,

2011/12/6 Juergen Lock n...@jelal.kn-bremen.de

 On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 03:15:08PM +0100, Bernhard Froehlich wrote:
  On 05.12.2011 19:56, Juergen Lock wrote:
   On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:37:19PM +0100, Juergen Lock wrote:
   Hi!
  
So I learned there are actually releases of xbmc pvr already, which
   means nothing should stop us from committing it to ports too? :)
  
Now I'm wondering if this needs to be repocopied from the xbmc port
   first since it's kind of a fork...  Few patches still apply and I
   see
   libreoffice also wasn't repocopied from openoffice, so maybe not?
  
The patch against the xbmc port is here:
  
  http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/tmp/xbmc-pvr-ppa-odk55.patch
  
(I just see I haven't added CONFLICTS_INSTALL with xbmc yet, will
   do that later.)
  
It still seems to work with my older xvdr addon and vdr plugin
   ports,
   but maybe I should update those again too before committing:
  
  http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/tmp/xbmc-addon-xvdr.shar
  http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/tmp/vdr-plugin-xvdr.shar
  
Of course everyone is welcome to test... :)  (I only tested with
   vdr,
   not with mythtv.)
  Juergen
  
   I just updated to the latest release pvr-ppa-odk56:
  
   http://people.freebsd.org/~nox/tmp/xbmc-pvr-ppa-odk56.patch
  
It would be nice if someone could verify this works with mythtv too
   before I commit it...
 
  Wow this is a pretty big update. Are you sure this is the way to go
  with
  the original multimedia/xbmc port? I would prefer sticking to the
  upstream
  version with multimedia/xbmc and have such an custom branch in another
  port that also reflects this from the name.
 
 Oh sorry, yes, I wanted to commit this as multimedia/xbmc-pvr, i.e.
 the upstream multimedia/xbmc of course should stay in the tree.
 I guess I didn't make that clear... :(  (But that was also the
 reason for the question about the reopcopy.)


Sorry, i don't have the time to maintain and test the pvr branch.
two ports with conflict is good for me.



  Do you know about the xbmc-devel port that he maintains on redports?
 
  http://redports.org/browser/fneufneu/multimedia

  I haven't looked at that yet but I guess it doesn't have pvr
 functionality that I was after?  (i.e. `Live TV' in the main menu
 etc.)


every month, i update the xbmc-devel to be ready for the 11 release (soon !)
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binutils-2.22: ld and --copy-dt-needed-entries

2011-12-06 Thread Andriy Gapon

Just for your information.
It seems that ld from binutils-2.22 by default has --no-copy-dt-needed-entries
behavior, and so explicit --copy-dt-needed-entries is now needed where the
previous default behavior is relied upon.

A short excerpt from the man page for your convenience:

 This option also has an effect on the resolution of symbols in
 dynamic libraries.  With --copy-dt-needed-entries dynamic libraries
 mentioned on the command line will be recursively searched,
 following their DT_NEEDED tags to other libraries, in order to
 resolve symbols required by the output binary.  With the default
 setting however the searching of dynamic libraries that follow it
 will stop with the dynamic library itself.  No DT_NEEDED links will
 be traversed to resolve symbols.

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Re: Linux compatibility with more than one Linux installed?

2011-12-06 Thread Zhihao Yuan
Well, I'm wrong. I read in effect as in fact...

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On Dec 6, 2011 9:33 AM, RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 08:04:59 -0600
 Zhihao Yuan wrote:

  On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:45 AM, RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote:

   But what I was getting at was the statement linuxulator is a Linux
   kernel running as a FreeBSD kernel module which I'm guessing now
   you didn't mean literally.
 
  FreeBSD handbook:
  http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/linuxemu-advanced.html
 
  In effect, there is a Linux kernel in the FreeBSD kernel; ...

 Clearly the author of that article doesn't agree with you or he
 wouldn't have written In effect. If your statement had been:
 linuxulator is effectively a Linux kernel running as a FreeBSD
 kernel, then it wouldn't have been plain wrong.

  So, if you define a Linux kernel as every thing written by Linus and
  his followers, then I'm wrong; but if you agree that Android is not
  GNU but it does run a Linux kernel, then I'm probably right.

 Android is based on fork of Linux, it contains real Linux code. All you
 could argue from that is that the linuxulator  could be called Linux if
 it were based on Linux code.

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Re: binutils-2.22: ld and --copy-dt-needed-entries

2011-12-06 Thread Martin Matuska
On 6.12.2011 17:48, Andriy Gapon wrote:
 Just for your information.
 It seems that ld from binutils-2.22 by default has --no-copy-dt-needed-entries
 behavior, and so explicit --copy-dt-needed-entries is now needed where the
 previous default behavior is relied upon.

 A short excerpt from the man page for your convenience:

 This option also has an effect on the resolution of symbols in
 dynamic libraries.  With --copy-dt-needed-entries dynamic libraries
 mentioned on the command line will be recursively searched,
 following their DT_NEEDED tags to other libraries, in order to
 resolve symbols required by the output binary.  With the default
 setting however the searching of dynamic libraries that follow it
 will stop with the dynamic library itself.  No DT_NEEDED links will
 be traversed to resolve symbols.
What do we do with this?
We can go back, patch to behave as before or to continue.
Are there any serious complaints?

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multimedia/transcode

2011-12-06 Thread C. P. Ghost
Hi,

transcode is already it 1.1.7 and allegedly features a better
video stabilizing plugin. Our version in ports is still at 1.1.5.

Could you please update the port? The distfile is here:
  https://bitbucket.org/france/transcode-tcforge/downloads

Thanks,
-cpghost.

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Re: binutils-2.22: ld and --copy-dt-needed-entries

2011-12-06 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 06/12/2011 23:24 Martin Matuska said the following:
 On 6.12.2011 17:48, Andriy Gapon wrote:
 Just for your information.
 It seems that ld from binutils-2.22 by default has 
 --no-copy-dt-needed-entries
 behavior, and so explicit --copy-dt-needed-entries is now needed where the
 previous default behavior is relied upon.

 A short excerpt from the man page for your convenience:

 This option also has an effect on the resolution of symbols in
 dynamic libraries.  With --copy-dt-needed-entries dynamic libraries
 mentioned on the command line will be recursively searched,
 following their DT_NEEDED tags to other libraries, in order to
 resolve symbols required by the output binary.  With the default
 setting however the searching of dynamic libraries that follow it
 will stop with the dynamic library itself.  No DT_NEEDED links will
 be traversed to resolve symbols.
 What do we do with this?
 We can go back, patch to behave as before or to continue.
 Are there any serious complaints?

I am not sure.  Eventually all upstreams of our ports will have to deal with
this.  So far I've encountered only one problematic port (gegl) that links a
binary with -lglib-2.0 expecting that a required -liconv dependency would be
automatically picked up via DT_NEEDED.  libglib-2.0.so indeed has a DT_NEEDED
entry for libiconv.so.  But this dependency is not explicitly advertised via
pkg-config metadata:
$ fgrep -i Libs /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc
Libs: -L${libdir} -lglib-2.0
Libs.private: -liconv

So there could be other issues related to this in the future.
Perhaps this is actually an issue with glib, maybe it should have -liconv in
Libs.  I am not really knowledgeable about his stuff.

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Re: binutils-2.22: ld and --copy-dt-needed-entries

2011-12-06 Thread Andrew W. Nosenko
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 23:41, Andriy Gapon a...@freebsd.org wrote:
 on 06/12/2011 23:24 Martin Matuska said the following:
 On 6.12.2011 17:48, Andriy Gapon wrote:
 Just for your information.
 It seems that ld from binutils-2.22 by default has 
 --no-copy-dt-needed-entries
 behavior, and so explicit --copy-dt-needed-entries is now needed where the
 previous default behavior is relied upon.

 A short excerpt from the man page for your convenience:

 This option also has an effect on the resolution of symbols in
 dynamic libraries.  With --copy-dt-needed-entries dynamic libraries
 mentioned on the command line will be recursively searched,
 following their DT_NEEDED tags to other libraries, in order to
 resolve symbols required by the output binary.  With the default
 setting however the searching of dynamic libraries that follow it
 will stop with the dynamic library itself.  No DT_NEEDED links will
 be traversed to resolve symbols.
 What do we do with this?
 We can go back, patch to behave as before or to continue.
 Are there any serious complaints?

 I am not sure.  Eventually all upstreams of our ports will have to deal with
 this.  So far I've encountered only one problematic port (gegl) that links a
 binary with -lglib-2.0 expecting that a required -liconv dependency would be
 automatically picked up via DT_NEEDED.  libglib-2.0.so indeed has a DT_NEEDED
 entry for libiconv.so.  But this dependency is not explicitly advertised via
 pkg-config metadata:
 $ fgrep -i Libs /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc
 Libs: -L${libdir} -lglib-2.0
 Libs.private: -liconv

 So there could be other issues related to this in the future.
 Perhaps this is actually an issue with glib, maybe it should have -liconv in
 Libs.  I am not really knowledgeable about his stuff.

As far, as I understand the
  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/02/msg00011.html ,
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ToolchainTransition ,
  http://old.nabble.com/Make-no-copy-dt-needed-default--td32272377.html ,
correctly

1. upstreams (e.g. Glib) had a pretty much time for test this change.

2. If I just use Glib (for example), then all Glib's iconv-related
stuffs will continue to work, I don't need to explicitly add -liconv.
All that fail if I use iconv_open() (for example) directly and
(bypassing Glib) and rely on Glib to load libiconv as side-effect.  Of
courcse, it would be quite wrong from my side because existence of
libconv as an Glib charset conversion engine is an implementation
detail that may change at the some day or just because of different
configuration options.  Just like GnuTLS swtiched from libgcrypt to
libnettle.

3. Of course, something may fail, but I would not to expect a big
amount of failures (due to the fact that major Linux distros already
there)

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Re: multimedia/transcode

2011-12-06 Thread Naram Qashat

On 12/06/11 16:03, C. P. Ghost wrote:

Hi,

transcode is already it 1.1.7 and allegedly features a better
video stabilizing plugin. Our version in ports is still at 1.1.5.

Could you please update the port? The distfile is here:
   https://bitbucket.org/france/transcode-tcforge/downloads

Thanks,
-cpghost.



I'll look into this during the weekend.

Thanks,
Naram
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Re: Port: multimedia/handbrake

2011-12-06 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Chris Rees cr...@freebsd.org wrote:
 On 29 November 2011 11:21,  q00...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 the version of HandBrake in the ports is outdated and can not be build under
 amd64.

 With the patches from http://www.bpsw.biz/handbrake-freebsd/ it is possible
 to build the current version (0.9.5) on amd64 (8.1 and 8.2 tested). I assume
 that this also works on i386, but did not test it.

 Can the Patches be integrated into the port please?

 Direct URL: http://www.bpsw.biz/handbrake-freebsd/download/handbrake-
 freebsd-0.9.5.tgz

 Disclosure:  I did not write them.

 I'll have a look later today, if no-one beats me to it.

 For future reference, patches sometimes get 'lost' in this mailing
 list, better to send a PR.

 http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html

I have been working on getting Handbrake 0.9.5 to build on FreeBSD for
some time. I had resolved a number of issues, but had no luck with
some assembler issues in the ffmpeg portion.

I am working on converting this work to a FreeBSD port Looks
straight-forward, but no promises. I'll report on success (or failure)
and submit a PR to get the port updated it that appears to be
appropriate. I have maintained several ports over the years and still
maintain one, so I have some experience with porting, but will hardly
claim to be an expert. I suspect you have more expertise than I do,
Chris, so feel free to take it over.

Thanks for getting this out so others can use it!
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Re: Port: multimedia/handbrake

2011-12-06 Thread Adam Vande More
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have been working on getting Handbrake 0.9.5 to build on FreeBSD for
 some time. I had resolved a number of issues, but had no luck with
 some assembler issues in the ffmpeg portion.


Yes, I got stuck at the same spot.  Then I found this:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2011-July/068940.html

It's been working for me, but it's a bit out of date now.

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