Re: Are these Emacs ports still useful?

[Joseph Mingrone]

Hajimu UMEMOTO  writes:
>> On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 12:12:44 -0400
>> Joseph Mingrone  said:

>> - japanese/egg-canna/Makefile (does not build with emacs versions >= 23)
>> - japanese/migemo-emacs23

> jrm> Are you Ok if I remove these ports immediately, since Emacs version 23 
> was removed from the
> jrm> ports tree in 2014.

> As for japanese/egg-canna, since there is no working emacs with it any
> more, it's okay to remove it.

While japanese/migemo-emacs23 (now japanese/migemo-emacs) builds
successfully, I am increasingly suspicious that it has passed its
usefulness.  For example, during the build there are messages about
obsolete and missing elisp functions.  Moreover, the port itself seems
broken.  Many of the variable definitions in
japanese/migemo-emacs/Makefile are overwritten by the master port.

/usr/ports/japanese % grep _DEPENDS migemo-emacs/Makefile
BUILD_DEPENDS= apel${EMACS_PKGNAMESUFFIX}>=10.8:editors/apel@${EMACS_FLAVOR}
RUN_DEPENDS= apel${EMACS_PKGNAMESUFFIX}>=10.8:editors/apel@${EMACS_FLAVOR} \

/usr/ports/japanese % make -C migemo-emacs -VBUILD_DEPENDS -VRUN_DEPENDS
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.4/romkan.rb:japanese/ruby-romkan  
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.4/bsearch.rb:devel/ruby-bsearch 
/usr/local/bin/ruby24:lang/ruby24 /usr/local/bin/emacs-25.3:editors/emacs@full 
autoconf-2.69:devel/autoconf  autoheader-2.69:devel/autoconf  
autoreconf-2.69:devel/autoconf  aclocal-1.15:devel/automake  
automake-1.15:devel/automake
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.4/romkan.rb:japanese/ruby-romkan  
/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.4/bsearch.rb:devel/ruby-bsearch 
/usr/local/bin/ruby24:lang/ruby24 /usr/local/bin/emacs-25.3:editors/emacs@full

I will mark it as deprecated and set an expiration date.  Please speak
up if you believe it is still useful!

Joseph


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Re: Are these Emacs ports still useful?

[Hiroki Sato]

Joseph Mingrone  wrote
  in <86d135nne8@phe.ftfl.ca>:

jr> A quick scan suggests that these port may have passed their usefulness.
jr> Could you speak up if they are still useful or if you feel they should
jr> be removed?

jr>  - editors/psgml (use psgml-1.3.4.tar from 
http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/psgml.html ?)
jr>  - print/yatex (version almost 5 years old, newer release available)

 I will take a look into them.  These are not obsolete.

-- Hiroki


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Re: Are these Emacs ports still useful?

[Joseph Mingrone]

Liu Dryice  writes:

> On 24 Dec 2017, 05:29 +0800, Joseph Mingrone , wrote:

> - deskutils/etask (non-mirrored tarball dead since 2007)

> This is still fetchable from distcache. Though I admit I haven't used
> it and haven't heard about it for quite a long time.

I see reports that patches were required to get it working with Emacs
21, so I wonder how well it works 10 years later?  Choice is good, but I
suspect that it would be best to point Emacs users looking for task
management to something reasonably maintained like org-mode.  If you
disagree, could you try it out and report back whether it is working and
still useful?

> - editors/tree-widget (part of emacs since 2007)

> This was added for devel/xtla (Emacs mode for tla/gnu arch). Now
> devel/xtla is gone and tree-widget is in Emacs. I guess it's OK to be
> removed.

Removed.

> - textproc/emacs-wiki (last release from 2006)
>  - textproc/muse (last release from 2010)

> They are superceded by org-mode but there are people like me keeping
> old files and diaries written with them. I'd suggest we keep them.

Sounds good.

> - textproc/htmlize.el (500 from MASTER_SITES; fetchable from distcache)

> New version is at https://github.com/hniksic/emacs-htmlize, I'll
> update it

Thanks for your feedback.

Joseph


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Re: Are these Emacs ports still useful?

[Hajimu UMEMOTO]

Hi,

> On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 12:12:44 -0400
> Joseph Mingrone  said:

> - japanese/egg-canna/Makefile (does not build with emacs versions >= 23)
> - japanese/migemo-emacs23

jrm> Are you Ok if I remove these ports immediately, since Emacs version 23 was 
removed from the
jrm> ports tree in 2014.

As for japanese/egg-canna, since there is no working emacs with it any
more, it's okay to remove it.

Sincerely,

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Re: Are these Emacs ports still useful?

[Joseph Mingrone]

Joseph Mingrone  writes:
> - japanese/egg-canna/Makefile (does not build with emacs versions >= 23)
> - japanese/migemo-emacs23

Are you Ok if I remove these ports immediately, since Emacs version 23 was 
removed from the
ports tree in 2014.

Joseph


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Re: Are these Emacs ports still useful?

[Yasuhiro KIMURA]

From: Joseph Mingrone <j...@freebsd.org>
Subject: Re: Are these Emacs ports still useful?
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 18:29:29 -0400

>>> A quick scan suggests that these port may have passed their usefulness.
>>> Could you speak up if they are still useful or if you feel they should
>>> be removed?
>> (snip) 
>>> - editors/apel (2010 source)
>>>   - editors/flim (2007 source)
>>> - editors/semi (2003 source)
> 
>> They are required by www/emacs-w3m.
> 
> They are dependencies for www/emacs-w3m, but are they really required?
> Upsreams [1,2] say apel and friends are only required with quite old
> versions of Emacs that were released around 2001.

I checked '*.el' files of emacs-w3m-emacs-nox11-1.4.598.b.20170903_2
and found following lines in
${PREFIX}${EMACS_VERSION_SITE_LISPDIR}/w3m/octet.el that is
installed when OCTET_VIEWER option is enabled.

yasu@eastasia[2305]% less -N /usr/local/share/emacs/25.3/site-lisp/w3m/octet.el

(snip)

 65 ;;; Code:
 66 
 67 (eval-when-compile
 68   (require 'cl))
 69 
 70 (require 'poe) ; for compatibility
 71 (require 'pces); as-binary-process
 72 (require 'mime); SEMI
 73 (require 'static)
 74 (require 'w3m-util); w3m-insert-string

At line 72 'mime' is required, and this feature is provided by
semi. So if OCTET_VIEWER option is enabled www/emacs-w3m depends on
editors/semi.

Regards.

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Re: Are these Emacs ports still useful?

[Joseph Mingrone]

Yasuhiro KIMURA <y...@utahime.org> writes:

> From: Joseph Mingrone <j...@freebsd.org>
> Subject: Re: Are these Emacs ports still useful?
> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 18:29:29 -0400

>>>> A quick scan suggests that these port may have passed their usefulness.
>>>> Could you speak up if they are still useful or if you feel they should
>>>> be removed?
>>> (snip) 
>>>> - editors/apel (2010 source)
>>>>   - editors/flim (2007 source)
>>>> - editors/semi (2003 source)

>>> They are required by www/emacs-w3m.

>> They are dependencies for www/emacs-w3m, but are they really required?
>> Upsreams [1,2] say apel and friends are only required with quite old
>> versions of Emacs that were released around 2001.

> I checked '*.el' files of emacs-w3m-emacs-nox11-1.4.598.b.20170903_2
> and found following lines in
> ${PREFIX}${EMACS_VERSION_SITE_LISPDIR}/w3m/octet.el that is
> installed when OCTET_VIEWER option is enabled.

> yasu@eastasia[2305]% less -N 
> /usr/local/share/emacs/25.3/site-lisp/w3m/octet.el

> (snip)

>  65 ;;; Code:
>  66 
>  67 (eval-when-compile
>  68   (require 'cl))
>  69 
>  70 (require 'poe) ; for compatibility
>  71 (require 'pces); as-binary-process
>  72 (require 'mime); SEMI
>  73 (require 'static)
>  74 (require 'w3m-util); w3m-insert-string

> At line 72 'mime' is required, and this feature is provided by
> semi. So if OCTET_VIEWER option is enabled www/emacs-w3m depends on
> editors/semi.

> Regards.

Thanks for checking.

Joseph


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Re: Are these Emacs ports still useful?

[Hajimu UMEMOTO]

Hi,

I resend this message because it was rejected by ports list.

> On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 17:29:51 -0400
> Joseph Mingrone  said:

jrm> - mail/xcite (no real updates since 2010, still useful?)

I'm using it.  It is very useful at least for me.
I don't think no update means no usefulness. :-(

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Re: Are these Emacs ports still useful?

[Hajimu UMEMOTO]

Hi,

I resend this message because it was rejected by ports list.

> On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 17:29:51 -0400
> Joseph Mingrone  said:

jrm>  - mail/x-face-e21 (not fetchable)

It seems fetchable.

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Re: Are these Emacs ports still useful?

[Yasuhiro KIMURA]

From: Joseph Mingrone <j...@freebsd.org>
Subject: Are these Emacs ports still useful?
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 17:29:51 -0400

> A quick scan suggests that these port may have passed their usefulness.
> Could you speak up if they are still useful or if you feel they should
> be removed?
(snip) 
> - editors/apel (2010 source)
>   - editors/flim (2007 source)
> - editors/semi (2003 source)

They are required by www/emacs-w3m.

Regards.

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Re: Are these Emacs ports still useful?

[Joseph Mingrone]

[resending because original did not make it to the list]
Joseph Mingrone  writes:

> Hajimu UMEMOTO  writes:

>> Hi,

>>> On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 17:29:51 -0400
>>> Joseph Mingrone  said:

>> jrm> - mail/xcite (no real updates since 2010, still useful?)

>> I'm using it.  It is very useful at least for me.
>> I don't think no update means no usefulness. :-(

> Agreed.  No updates does not imply it should be removed, but
> superficially it can sometimes suggest stale
> code.  I will unflag mail/xcite for removal.

> Thanks,

> Joseph



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Re: Are these Emacs ports still useful?

[Joseph Mingrone]

[resending because original message did not make it to the list]
Joseph Mingrone <j...@freebsd.org> writes:

> Yasuhiro KIMURA <y...@utahime.org> writes:

>> From: Joseph Mingrone <j...@freebsd.org>
>> Subject: Are these Emacs ports still useful?
>> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 17:29:51 -0400

>>> A quick scan suggests that these port may have passed their usefulness.
>>> Could you speak up if they are still useful or if you feel they should
>>> be removed?
>> (snip) 
>>> - editors/apel (2010 source)
>>>   - editors/flim (2007 source)
>>> - editors/semi (2003 source)

>> They are required by www/emacs-w3m.

>> Regards.

> They are dependencies for www/emacs-w3m, but are they really required?
> Upsreams [1,2] say apel and friends are only required with quite old
> versions of Emacs that were released around 2001.

> Regards,

> Joseph

> [1] The original emacs-w3m source, http://emacs-w3m.namazu.org/, says
> with Emacs 21.1 (released in 2001) "No additional packages are
> required."  Other sources, such as [2] have made fixes to the last
> release from this source.

> [2] The melpa source,
> https://github.com/emacsorphanage/w3m/ has no other elisp dependencies.



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Are these Emacs ports still useful?

[Joseph Mingrone]

[resending (with updates) because original message did not make it to the list]

Hello all,

A quick scan suggests that these port may have passed their usefulness.
Could you speak up if they are still useful or if you feel they should
be removed?

Regards,

Joseph

- sysutils/puppet-mode.el (pulling from source over 5 years old)
- japanese/egg-canna/Makefile (does not build with emacs versions >= 23)
- deskutils/etask (non-mirrored tarball dead since 2007)
- editors/apel (2010 source)
  - editors/flim (2007 source)
- editors/semi (2003 source)
- editors/tree-widget (part of emacs since 2007)
- graphics/xface.el (distilator reports 500 for all sources)
- japanese/lookup (source tarball from 2007) (update: feedback received;
  still useful)
- japanese/migemo-emacs23
- japanese/yc.el (source from 2010, does not build w/ emacs-devel)
- mail/xcite (no real updates since 2010, still useful?) (update:
  feedback received; still useful)
- textproc/dictem (last release over five years ago)
- textproc/doc-mode.el (last release from 2006)
- textproc/emacs-wiki (last release from 2006)
- textproc/htmlize.el (500 from MASTER_SITES; fetchable from distcache)
- textproc/ibus-el (no updates for over 5 years)
- textproc/muse (last release from 2010)
- textproc/xml-lite.el (merged with sgml-mode.el in 2007)
- textproc/xml-parse.el (described as deprecated on Emacs wiki; release
  from 2001)

These ports have not been updated in some time.  Should they be updated or 
removed?

 - editors/psgml (use psgml-1.3.4.tar from 
http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/psgml.html ?)
 - editors/slime (five new releases since last 2015 port update)
 - japanese/ddskk (using nearly 5-year-old release)
 - mail/waderlust (only fetchable by distcache; source from 2005?;
   combine with mail/wanderlust-devel)
 - mail/x-face-e21 (not fetchable) (update: www.jpl.org is back up)
 - math/proofgeneral (version over 5 years old w/ releases since;
   does not building with Emacs 27 without X)
 - misc/elscreen (release from 2007)
 - print/hyperlatex (release from 2006)
 - print/yatex (version almost 5 years old, newer release available)
 - security/starttls (superceded by
   https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/blob/master/lisp/net/starttls.el ?)
 - textproc/dictionary (port version from 2011 or earlier, 2013 version
   available)


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Re: Are these Emacs ports still useful?

[Joseph Mingrone]

Yasuhiro KIMURA <y...@utahime.org> writes:

> From: Joseph Mingrone <j...@freebsd.org>
> Subject: Are these Emacs ports still useful?
> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 17:29:51 -0400

>> A quick scan suggests that these port may have passed their usefulness.
>> Could you speak up if they are still useful or if you feel they should
>> be removed?
> (snip)
>> - japanese/lookup (source tarball from 2007)

> At least I still use it. And there is beta version of Lookup 2.0 in
> following URL. But it isn't fully compatible with 1.4.1. So I cannot
> dicide whether to update to 2.0.

> http://lookup2.github.io/

Thanks for your feedback.  japanese/lookup should not be removed then.

Joseph


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Re: Are these Emacs ports still useful?

[Yasuhiro KIMURA]

From: Joseph Mingrone <j...@freebsd.org>
Subject: Are these Emacs ports still useful?
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 17:29:51 -0400

> A quick scan suggests that these port may have passed their usefulness.
> Could you speak up if they are still useful or if you feel they should
> be removed?
(snip)
> - japanese/lookup (source tarball from 2007)

At least I still use it. And there is beta version of Lookup 2.0 in
following URL. But it isn't fully compatible with 1.4.1. So I cannot
dicide whether to update to 2.0.

http://lookup2.github.io/

Regards.

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