Re: Best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port??

2017-03-11 Thread Bob Willcox 
On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 04:14:03AM -0800, Eitan Adler wrote:
> On 8 March 2017 at 08:04, Bob Willcox  wrote:
> > What is the best way to get synth to simply ignore certain ports when 
> > running
> > the upgrade-system command with it? I would like for it to not upgrade 
> > firefox
> > (don't want to lose my tab groups) so I'd rather that it not even consider
> > updating firefox again, at least not till some form of tab groups are again
> > supported.
> 
> FYI: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/tab-groups-panorama/

So, it seems then that firefox 57 (Nov this year) is where all non
WebExtensions add-ons support end. Guess I have a few more months then.

Sure seems that the Mozilla team isn't prioritizing their users very high in
their furure plans.

> 
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Re: Best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port??

2017-03-11 Thread Eitan Adler 
On 8 March 2017 at 08:04, Bob Willcox  wrote:
> What is the best way to get synth to simply ignore certain ports when running
> the upgrade-system command with it? I would like for it to not upgrade firefox
> (don't want to lose my tab groups) so I'd rather that it not even consider
> updating firefox again, at least not till some form of tab groups are again
> supported.

FYI: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/tab-groups-panorama/


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Re: Best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port??

2017-03-10 Thread Chris H 
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017 16:34:45 + Matthew Seaman  wrote

> On 2017/03/08 16:04, Bob Willcox wrote:
> > Note that I haven't tried ver 52 of firefox, but from what I've read it
> > sounds like all plugins/addons other than flash are no longer supported.
I think the answer to your question can be answered by using pkg(8)'s
lock option. As memory serves; synth honors anything pkg has to offer.

HTH

--Chris
> 
> Make that: all *NPAPI* plugins other than Flash are now unsupported.
> That's stuff like the Java plugin or the OpenH264 Video Codec from Cisco
> (which I seem to have installed and can no-longer remember why.  Some
> sort of video conference thing a long time ago).
> 
> Ordinary add-ons like AddBlock-Plus or NoScript don't use NPAPI and so
> are not affected by this move.
> 
> I've been on version 52 on my Mac desktop for a while with no noticeable
> problems (well, none beyond what you normally got with FF in earlier
> versions.)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Matthew


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Re: Best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port??

2017-03-09 Thread Bob Willcox 
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:21:55PM -0600, Matthew D. Fuller wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 03:13:37PM -0600 I heard the voice of
> Bob Willcox, and lo! it spake thus:
> > 
> > Hmm, the plugin/addon I use and would be lost without is for tab
> > groups.  Do they still work in 52?
> 
> I'm pretty sure it's 57 (or 58?) that they're getting broken.
> Certainly they work fine here on the current 52 out of ports.

That's good to know. If/when tab groups don't work any longer is when I stop
updating firefox. They are the thing miss the most when using other browsers.

> 
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Re: Best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port??

2017-03-08 Thread Matthew D. Fuller 
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 03:13:37PM -0600 I heard the voice of
Bob Willcox, and lo! it spake thus:
> 
> Hmm, the plugin/addon I use and would be lost without is for tab
> groups.  Do they still work in 52?

I'm pretty sure it's 57 (or 58?) that they're getting broken.
Certainly they work fine here on the current 52 out of ports.


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Re: Best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port??

2017-03-08 Thread Walter Schwarzenfeld 
The best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port is mark th 
port as broken.

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Re: Best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port??

2017-03-08 Thread Jan Beich 
Freddie Cash  writes:

> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Bob Willcox  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:40:11AM -0800, Freddie Cash wrote:
>> > On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Bob Willcox  wrote:
>> >
>> > > What is the best way to get synth to simply ignore certain ports when
>> > > running
>> > > the upgrade-system command with it? I would like for it to not upgrade
>> > > firefox
>> > > (don't want to lose my tab groups) so I'd rather that it not even 
>> > > consider
>> > > updating firefox again, at least not till some form of tab groups are 
>> > > again
>> > > supported.
>> > >
>> > > Note that I haven't tried ver 52 of firefox, but from what I've read it
>> > > sounds
>> > > like all plugins/addons other than flash are no longer supported.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Switch to the ESR version, and all NPAPI plugins will be enabled and
>> > supported until around May of next year.  :)
>> >
>> > Firefox 52disables everything except Flash.
>> > Firefox 52ESR leaves everything enabled.
>> >
>> > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269807
>> > 
>>
>> Yeah, but isn't the ESR version relatively down-level WRT to version 51
>> that
>> I'm currently using? The Makefile in www/firefox-esr has a verison of
>> 45.8.0.
>>
>> Not anxious to go backwards on everything.
>>
> 52ESR was just released.  Give the ports maintainer time to get it into
> the tree.  :)  (Note, I don't have Firefox on FreeBSD at the moment so just
> going by what's released online, not what's available in the ports tree.)

What's the point of rushing into ESR 52 from stable ESR 45 ? If you didn't
notice comment 136 in upstream bug mentions a workaround for non-ESR channel.

www/firefox-esr switch can drag until 2017-06-13 when ESR 45 would reach EOL.
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Re: Best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port??

2017-03-08 Thread Freddie Cash 
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Bob Willcox  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:40:11AM -0800, Freddie Cash wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Bob Willcox  wrote:
> >
> > > What is the best way to get synth to simply ignore certain ports when
> > > running
> > > the upgrade-system command with it? I would like for it to not upgrade
> > > firefox
> > > (don't want to lose my tab groups) so I'd rather that it not even
> consider
> > > updating firefox again, at least not till some form of tab groups are
> again
> > > supported.
> > >
> > > Note that I haven't tried ver 52 of firefox, but from what I've read it
> > > sounds
> > > like all plugins/addons other than flash are no longer supported.
> > >
> >
> > ???Switch to the ESR version, and all NPAPI plugins will be enabled and
> > supported until around May of next year.  :)
> >
> > Firefox 52disables everything except Flash.
> > Firefox 52ESR leaves everything enabled.???
> >
> > ???https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269807
> > ???
> >
> > --
> > Freddie Cash
> > fjwc...@gmail.com
>
> Yeah, but isn't the ESR version relatively down-level WRT to version 51
> that
> I'm currently using? The Makefile in www/firefox-esr has a verison of
> 45.8.0.
>
> Not anxious to go backwards on everything.
>
> ​52ESR was just released.  Give the ports maintainer time to get it into
the tree.  :)  (Note, I don't have Firefox on FreeBSD at the moment so just
going by what's released online, not what's available in the ports tree.)​


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Re: Best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port??

2017-03-08 Thread Bob Willcox 
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 12:31:51PM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Bob Willcox  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:40:11AM -0800, Freddie Cash wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Bob Willcox  wrote:
> > >
> > > > What is the best way to get synth to simply ignore certain ports when
> > > > running
> > > > the upgrade-system command with it? I would like for it to not upgrade
> > > > firefox
> > > > (don't want to lose my tab groups) so I'd rather that it not even
> > consider
> > > > updating firefox again, at least not till some form of tab groups are
> > again
> > > > supported.
> > > >
> > > > Note that I haven't tried ver 52 of firefox, but from what I've read it
> > > > sounds
> > > > like all plugins/addons other than flash are no longer supported.
> > > >
> > >
> > > ???Switch to the ESR version, and all NPAPI plugins will be enabled and
> > > supported until around May of next year.  :)
> > >
> > > Firefox 52disables everything except Flash.
> > > Firefox 52ESR leaves everything enabled.???
> > >
> > > ???https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269807
> > > ???
> > >
> > > --
> > > Freddie Cash
> > > fjwc...@gmail.com
> >
> > Yeah, but isn't the ESR version relatively down-level WRT to version 51
> > that
> > I'm currently using? The Makefile in www/firefox-esr has a verison of
> > 45.8.0.
> >
> > Not anxious to go backwards on everything.
> >
> > --
> > Bob Willcox| If a program is useful, it will be changed.
> > b...@immure.com |
> > Austin, TX |
> 
> 
> Color me confused. I am running Firefox 52.0 and currently have both Flash
> and the Cisco H.264 plugins (according to about:plugins). So the H.264 must
> not be NPAPI or there is another exception. Since the H.264 plugin is a
> part of the Firefox distribution, I suspect it is a special case, a rather
> important one on the same level as Flash. (Really more important.)
> 
> Today (or, maybe yesterday) version 52.0 was declared the new ESR release,
> replacing 45.8. Since I don't run ESR, I have not looked into the state of
> the ESR port for FreeBSD.

Hmm, the plugin/addon I use and would be lost without is for tab groups.  Do
they still work in 52?

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Re: Best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port??

2017-03-08 Thread Jan Beich 
Kevin Oberman  writes:

> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:40 AM, Lars Engels  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 04:34:45PM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
>> > On 2017/03/08 16:04, Bob Willcox wrote:
>> > > Note that I haven't tried ver 52 of firefox, but from what I've read
>> it sounds
>> > > like all plugins/addons other than flash are no longer supported.
>> >
>> > Make that: all *NPAPI* plugins other than Flash are now unsupported.
>> > That's stuff like the Java plugin or the OpenH264 Video Codec from Cisco
>> > (which I seem to have installed and can no-longer remember why.  Some
>> > sort of video conference thing a long time ago).
>>
>> The OpenH264 plugin is shipped out of the box.

Only on Tier1 platforms (Windows, OS X, Android, Linux) where Firefox
downloads it[1] shortly after install. The situation is similar with
Widevine CDM or soon PPAPI Flash[2]. Even if someone provided FreeBSD
binaries or implemented a wrapper[3] it'd also lower security due to
lack of sandboxing[4]. WebAssembly should obsolete native code but
existing plugins are unlikely to go away in near future.

[1] Downstream builds lack patent license, see 
http://www.openh264.org/BINARY_LICENSE.txt 
[2] 
http://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/extensions/mortar/host/flash/bootstrap.js
[3] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1295853#c13
[4] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Sandbox

> And is required for HTML5 video if it is X.264 encoded, as it most often is.

OpenH264 only supports Baseline profile and primarily used for WebRTC.
For HTML5 videos Firefox uses FFmpeg (H.264, VP9), libvpx (VP8), libtheora.

$ x264 -o bar.mp4 foo.y4m
[...]
x264 [info]: profile High, level 3.0
[...]
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Re: Best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port??

2017-03-08 Thread Kevin Oberman 
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Bob Willcox  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:40:11AM -0800, Freddie Cash wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Bob Willcox  wrote:
> >
> > > What is the best way to get synth to simply ignore certain ports when
> > > running
> > > the upgrade-system command with it? I would like for it to not upgrade
> > > firefox
> > > (don't want to lose my tab groups) so I'd rather that it not even
> consider
> > > updating firefox again, at least not till some form of tab groups are
> again
> > > supported.
> > >
> > > Note that I haven't tried ver 52 of firefox, but from what I've read it
> > > sounds
> > > like all plugins/addons other than flash are no longer supported.
> > >
> >
> > ???Switch to the ESR version, and all NPAPI plugins will be enabled and
> > supported until around May of next year.  :)
> >
> > Firefox 52disables everything except Flash.
> > Firefox 52ESR leaves everything enabled.???
> >
> > ???https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269807
> > ???
> >
> > --
> > Freddie Cash
> > fjwc...@gmail.com
>
> Yeah, but isn't the ESR version relatively down-level WRT to version 51
> that
> I'm currently using? The Makefile in www/firefox-esr has a verison of
> 45.8.0.
>
> Not anxious to go backwards on everything.
>
> --
> Bob Willcox| If a program is useful, it will be changed.
> b...@immure.com |
> Austin, TX |


Color me confused. I am running Firefox 52.0 and currently have both Flash
and the Cisco H.264 plugins (according to about:plugins). So the H.264 must
not be NPAPI or there is another exception. Since the H.264 plugin is a
part of the Firefox distribution, I suspect it is a special case, a rather
important one on the same level as Flash. (Really more important.)

Today (or, maybe yesterday) version 52.0 was declared the new ESR release,
replacing 45.8. Since I don't run ESR, I have not looked into the state of
the ESR port for FreeBSD.
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Re: Best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port??

2017-03-08 Thread Bob Willcox 
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:40:11AM -0800, Freddie Cash wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Bob Willcox  wrote:
> 
> > What is the best way to get synth to simply ignore certain ports when
> > running
> > the upgrade-system command with it? I would like for it to not upgrade
> > firefox
> > (don't want to lose my tab groups) so I'd rather that it not even consider
> > updating firefox again, at least not till some form of tab groups are again
> > supported.
> >
> > Note that I haven't tried ver 52 of firefox, but from what I've read it
> > sounds
> > like all plugins/addons other than flash are no longer supported.
> >
> 
> ???Switch to the ESR version, and all NPAPI plugins will be enabled and
> supported until around May of next year.  :)
> 
> Firefox 52disables everything except Flash.
> Firefox 52ESR leaves everything enabled.???
> 
> ???https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269807
> ???
> 
> -- 
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> fjwc...@gmail.com

Yeah, but isn't the ESR version relatively down-level WRT to version 51 that
I'm currently using? The Makefile in www/firefox-esr has a verison of 45.8.0.

Not anxious to go backwards on everything.

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Re: Best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port??

2017-03-08 Thread Freddie Cash 
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Bob Willcox  wrote:

> What is the best way to get synth to simply ignore certain ports when
> running
> the upgrade-system command with it? I would like for it to not upgrade
> firefox
> (don't want to lose my tab groups) so I'd rather that it not even consider
> updating firefox again, at least not till some form of tab groups are again
> supported.
>
> Note that I haven't tried ver 52 of firefox, but from what I've read it
> sounds
> like all plugins/addons other than flash are no longer supported.
>

​Switch to the ESR version, and all NPAPI plugins will be enabled and
supported until around May of next year.  :)

Firefox 52disables everything except Flash.
Firefox 52ESR leaves everything enabled.​

​https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1269807
​

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Re: Best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port??

2017-03-08 Thread Kevin Oberman 
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:40 AM, Lars Engels  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 04:34:45PM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> > On 2017/03/08 16:04, Bob Willcox wrote:
> > > Note that I haven't tried ver 52 of firefox, but from what I've read
> it sounds
> > > like all plugins/addons other than flash are no longer supported.
> >
> > Make that: all *NPAPI* plugins other than Flash are now unsupported.
> > That's stuff like the Java plugin or the OpenH264 Video Codec from Cisco
> > (which I seem to have installed and can no-longer remember why.  Some
> > sort of video conference thing a long time ago).
>
> The OpenH264 plugin is shipped out of the box.
>

And is required for HTML5 video if it is X.264 encoded, as it most often is.
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Re: Best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port??

2017-03-08 Thread Matthew Seaman 
On 2017/03/08 16:04, Bob Willcox wrote:
> Note that I haven't tried ver 52 of firefox, but from what I've read it sounds
> like all plugins/addons other than flash are no longer supported.

Make that: all *NPAPI* plugins other than Flash are now unsupported.
That's stuff like the Java plugin or the OpenH264 Video Codec from Cisco
(which I seem to have installed and can no-longer remember why.  Some
sort of video conference thing a long time ago).

Ordinary add-ons like AddBlock-Plus or NoScript don't use NPAPI and so
are not affected by this move.

I've been on version 52 on my Mac desktop for a while with no noticeable
problems (well, none beyond what you normally got with FF in earlier
versions.)

Cheers,

Matthew



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Re: Best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port??

2017-03-08 Thread Lars Engels 
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 04:34:45PM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 2017/03/08 16:04, Bob Willcox wrote:
> > Note that I haven't tried ver 52 of firefox, but from what I've read it 
> > sounds
> > like all plugins/addons other than flash are no longer supported.
> 
> Make that: all *NPAPI* plugins other than Flash are now unsupported.
> That's stuff like the Java plugin or the OpenH264 Video Codec from Cisco
> (which I seem to have installed and can no-longer remember why.  Some
> sort of video conference thing a long time ago).

The OpenH264 plugin is shipped out of the box.


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Best way to cause synth to ignore rebuilding of a port??

2017-03-08 Thread Bob Willcox 
What is the best way to get synth to simply ignore certain ports when running
the upgrade-system command with it? I would like for it to not upgrade firefox
(don't want to lose my tab groups) so I'd rather that it not even consider
updating firefox again, at least not till some form of tab groups are again
supported.

Note that I haven't tried ver 52 of firefox, but from what I've read it sounds
like all plugins/addons other than flash are no longer supported.

Thanks,
Bob

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