Re: CFT: Adobe Reader 8 + SCIM/UIM
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:54:05 +0900 (JST) Hiroki Sato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, by setting GTK_IM_MODULE=xim + [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux im-xim.so is used at that time. [...] I received both OK and NG reports when both GTK_IM_MODULE=xim and [EMAIL PROTECTED] are set at a time so far, and bit confused. I have some new info. I finally got a glimpse of working SCIM + + linux-im-xim.so, but _only_ with ja_JP.* locales. (All tests in my previous posts were done using en_US.UTF-8 and fr_FR.UTF-8). 1. With ja_JP.UTF-8 --- a) switching keyboards using Ctrl+Space works (icons change); b) ~/.scim-stored keyboards (and possibly configuration) are ignored; c) when the output is simple (i.e. keystroke a - a), a letter is printed with this error: (acroread:5802): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text() d) when imengine starts composing complex output, this appears: (acroread:5802): Pango-CRITICAL **: pango_layout_get_cursor_pos: assertion `index = 0 index = layout-length' failed (acroread:5802): Pango-CRITICAL **: pango_layout_get_cursor_pos: assertion `index = 0 index = layout-length' failed 2. With ja_JP.eucJP --- a) switching keyboards using Ctrl+Space works (icons change); b) ~/.scim-stored keyboards (and possibly configuration) are ignored; c) when the output is simple (i.e. keystroke a - a), a letter is printed without errors; d) when imengine begins building complex output, this appears [converted eucJP - UTF-8] ** (acroread:15222): WARNING **: Error converting text from IM to UTF-8: 入力の最後に不完全な文字シーケンスがあります (All remains the same if japanese/acroread8 is used.) 3. With other locales - Nothing happens, SCIM is completely non-responsive. Best regards. -- Nikola Lečić :: Никола Лечић ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CFT: Adobe Reader 8 + SCIM/UIM
I tried to follow all your tests and to check what binary is loaded in what case. Below are my observations. Then I tested your diff, comments included. Finally, please find the modified ADOBE_VER-dependent version of that patch that served me perfectly. Note: Sometimes I wasn't sure if the analyses in your post assumed that there was no linux im-scim.so present in the system. Without linux im-scim.so, there is no way for me to get acroread8+SCIM to work for me. Therefore, I did all tests both with and without linux im-scim.so and included separate comments. BTW, I think that in the diff you obviously meant - case GTK_IM_MODULE in + case ${GTK_IM_MODULE} in On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:37:13 +0900 (JST) Hiroki Sato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikola Lečić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ni 3. Now acroread7 doesn't work (for me at least), with all ni SCIM-related environment variables schemes. It just returns me ni back to the shell prompt without any error message; ni ni 4. However, if I use the environment scheme I suggested in my ni previous mail and change GTK_IM_MODULE/XMODIFIERS in acroread7 ni startup script as proposed, all applications work, and SCIM in ni them. From further investigation, the cause of this problem turns out to be as follows: a) When GTK_IM_MODULE=xim and one runs a Linux binary that uses linux-gtk2 library, the binary uses im-xim.so in linux-gtk2 and it works. The same here, if [EMAIL PROTECTED] (if one actually wants SCIM, of course). b) When GTK_IM_MODULE=scim (or other than xim) and one runs a Linux binary that uses linux-gtk2 library, the binary tries to load the corresponding immodule file. If the corresponding file is found in /usr/compat/linux/usr/lib/gtk-2.0 (i.e. Linux binary), it is loaded and should work fine. If the corresponding file is found in /usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0 (i.e. FreeBSD native binary), it is loaded but does not work. In the latter case, if the loading fails gracefully, it falls back into loading im-xim.so. I can confirm this, in both cases. (However, as you confirmed, the presence of linux im-scim.so will crash acroread7.) c) acroread7 works only with im-xim.so and loading FreeBSD binary fails gracefully. This means setting GTK_IM_MODULE=scim falls back into GTK_IM_MODULE=xim automatically. (probably this is the reason why GTK_IM_MODULE=scim + QT_IM_MODULE=scim + [EMAIL PROTECTED] works.) With GTK_IM_MODULE=scim acroread7 will (according to b)) try to load im-scim.so from /usr/compat/linux/usr/lib/gtk-2.0, which will cause a crash. However, yes, if acroread7 loads linux im-xim.so, SCIM will work. d) acroread8 works with both im-xim.so and im-scim.so as far as I can check, and loading FreeBSD binary makes the process get hosed. Not exactly so for me (if SCIM is the goal). * With (_and only with_) linux im-scim.so _and_ GTK_IM_MODULE=scim, acroread8+SCIM works. * Without linux im-scim.so no GTK_IM_MODULE settings helps. So, the individual cases can be classified as follows: - acroread7 + GTK_IM_MODULE=xim + [EMAIL PROTECTED] - should work. @im=foo other than SCIM also works. The same here: acroread7 loads linux im-xim.so. In this case, with [EMAIL PROTECTED], acroread7+SCIM works. (BTW, SCIM won't work with GTK_IM_MODULE=xim + [EMAIL PROTECTED] anywhere (but such values imply that one doesn't want SCIM, I think.) - acroread7 + GTK_IM_MODULE=scim - should work. Even if FreeBSD native im-scim.so exists it is always ignored and XIM is used. Note that if Linux im-scim.so exists it prevents the acroread7 from working, but there is no port of im-scim.so in the Ports Collection now. * With linux im-scim.so: yes, it crashes acroread7 (as reported). * Without linux im-scim.so: the same here, it works. - acroread8 + GTK_IM_MODULE=xim + [EMAIL PROTECTED] - should work. @im=foo other than SCIM also works. Not for me. Linux im-scim.so must be present, and GTK_IM_MODULE must be changed to scim. Otherwise, acroread8 will load linux im-xim.so and SCIM won't work. XMODIFIERS doesn't matter in this case. (Again, I think that xim/XIM isn't preferable combination for SCIM user, as stated above.) - acroread8 + GTK_IM_MODULE=scim - does not work unless Linux im-scim.so exists. If FreeBSD native im-scim.so exists the acroread8 process gets hosed (no fall-back happens). * With linux im-scim.so present, yes, it works. * Without linux im-scim.so, nothing bad happens. acroread8 just loads Linux im-xim.so and SCIM won't work. So, the safest way to loading Linux version of im-xim.so is setting GTK_IM_MODULE=xim forcibly. And if setting XMODIFIERS properly there should be little difference in its behavior from the user's point of view. Forced GTK_IM_MODULE=xim will always cause linux im-xim.so to be loaded, but this is why acroread8+SCIM never works
Re: CFT: Adobe Reader 8 + SCIM/UIM
Nikola Lečić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ni 3. Now acroread7 doesn't work (for me at least), with all SCIM-related nienvironment variables schemes. It just returns me back to the shell niprompt without any error message; ni ni 4. However, if I use the environment scheme I suggested in my previous nimail and change GTK_IM_MODULE/XMODIFIERS in acroread7 startup niscript as proposed, all applications work, and SCIM in them. From further investigation, the cause of this problem turns out to be as follows: a) When GTK_IM_MODULE=xim and one runs a Linux binary that uses linux-gtk2 library, the binary uses im-xim.so in linux-gtk2 and it works. b) When GTK_IM_MODULE=scim (or other than xim) and one runs a Linux binary that uses linux-gtk2 library, the binary tries to load the corresponding immodule file. If the corresponding file is found in /usr/compat/linux/usr/lib/gtk-2.0 (i.e. Linux binary), it is loaded and should work fine. If the corresponding file is found in /usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0 (i.e. FreeBSD native binary), it is loaded but does not work. In the latter case, if the loading fails gracefully, it falls back into loading im-xim.so. c) acroread7 works only with im-xim.so and loading FreeBSD binary fails gracefully. This means setting GTK_IM_MODULE=scim falls back into GTK_IM_MODULE=xim automatically. (probably this is the reason why GTK_IM_MODULE=scim + QT_IM_MODULE=scim + [EMAIL PROTECTED] works.) d) acroread8 works with both im-xim.so and im-scim.so as far as I can check, and loading FreeBSD binary makes the process get hosed. So, the individual cases can be classified as follows: - acroread7 + GTK_IM_MODULE=xim + [EMAIL PROTECTED] - should work. @im=foo other than SCIM also works. - acroread7 + GTK_IM_MODULE=scim - should work. Even if FreeBSD native im-scim.so exists it is always ignored and XIM is used. Note that if Linux im-scim.so exists it prevents the acroread7 from working, but there is no port of im-scim.so in the Ports Collection now. - acroread8 + GTK_IM_MODULE=xim + [EMAIL PROTECTED] - should work. @im=foo other than SCIM also works. - acroread8 + GTK_IM_MODULE=scim - does not work unless Linux im-scim.so exists. If FreeBSD native im-scim.so exists the acroread8 process gets hosed (no fall-back happens). So, the safest way to loading Linux version of im-xim.so is setting GTK_IM_MODULE=xim forcibly. And if setting XMODIFIERS properly there should be little difference in its behavior from the user's point of view. I pondered over adding ports of the Linux immodules in my previous post or a hack for GTK_IM_MODULE variable into print/acroreadwrapper, but I think changing acroreadwrapper is better. A patch for acroreadwrapper that sets GTK_IM_MODULE=xim forcibly and sets [EMAIL PROTECTED] according to GTK_IM_MODULE, has been attached. However, in your post you said when GTK_IM_MODULE=xim + [EMAIL PROTECTED], the behavior is bad. Could you elaborate it? I could not reproduce it. -- | Hiroki SATO Index: Makefile === RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/print/acroreadwrapper/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.9 diff -d -u -I\$FreeBSD:.*\$ -I\$NetBSD:.*\$ -I\$OpenBSD:.*\$ -I\$DragonFly:.*\$ -I\$Id:.*\$ -I\$Translation:.*\$ -I\$hrs:.*\$ -r1.9 Makefile --- Makefile4 Jan 2008 20:20:20 - 1.9 +++ Makefile11 Jan 2008 14:25:27 - @@ -6,7 +6,7 @@ # PORTNAME= acroreadwrapper -PORTVERSION= 0.0.20071020 +PORTVERSION= 0.0.20080110 CATEGORIES=print MASTER_SITES= # empty DISTFILES= # empty @@ -29,7 +29,7 @@ ADOBEBASE= Adobe ACROBASE7= ${ADOBEBASE}/Acrobat7.0 ACROBASE8= ${ADOBEBASE}/Reader8 -PLUGINDIR= lib/browser_linux_plugins +PLUGINDIR= lib/npapi/linux-acroread do-fetch: @${DO_NADA} Index: files/acroread.in === RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/print/acroreadwrapper/files/acroread.in,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -d -u -I\$FreeBSD:.*\$ -I\$NetBSD:.*\$ -I\$OpenBSD:.*\$ -I\$DragonFly:.*\$ -I\$Id:.*\$ -I\$Translation:.*\$ -I\$hrs:.*\$ -r1.5 acroread.in --- files/acroread.in 4 Jan 2008 20:20:20 - 1.5 +++ files/acroread.in 11 Jan 2008 14:28:58 - @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ -#!%%LINUXBASE%%/bin/sh +#!/bin/sh # $FreeBSD: ports/print/acroreadwrapper/files/acroread.in,v 1.5 2008/01/04 20:20:20 hrs Exp $ # environment variables: @@ -13,6 +13,14 @@ # When this script is invoked as acroread7 and acroread8, # ADOBE_VER is automatically set. # +# ADOBE_DISABLEIMMODULEHACK: +# This script sets GTK_IM_MODULE as xim by default because +# immodules other than xim require the corresponding module files +# in Linux binary, not FreeBSD native versions (if a FreeBSD +# native immodule library exists and the corresponding
Re: CFT: Adobe Reader 8 + SCIM/UIM (was Adobe Reader and SCIM)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 did: grep ^acroread /usr/ports/INDEX-6 It was not in the ports collection or the index thus the question. it is (As you obviously can see) Ok super genius show it to me: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:dev/thistest/ui/cmdline% grep ^acroread /usr/ports/INDEX-8 acroread7-7.0.9_2,1|/usr/ports/print/acroread7|/usr/X11R6|Adobe Reader for view, print, and search PDF documents (ENU)|/usr/ports/print/acroread7/pkg-descr|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|print linux||acroreadwrapper-0.0.20060221_3 linux-atk-1.9.1 linux-cairo-1.0.2 linux-expat-1.95.8 linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_7 linux-glib2-2.6.6 linux-gtk2-2.6.10 linux-jpeg-6b.34 linux-pango-1.10.2 linux-png-1.2.8_2 linux-tiff-3.7.1 linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5 linux_base-fc-4_10|http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readermain.html||| acroreadwrapper-0.0.20060221_3|/usr/ports/print/acroreadwrapper|/usr/local|Wrapper script for Adobe Reader|/usr/ports/print/acroreadwrapper/pkg-descr|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|print|| [EMAIL PROTECTED]:dev/thistest/ui/cmdline% grep ^acroread8 /usr/ports/INDEX-8 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:dev/thistest/ui/cmdline% btw INDEX-8 is current as of a few hours ago. acroread8-8.1.1_1|/usr/ports/print/acroread8| that wasn't SO hard right? Now back our regular program of idiot vs. idiot. I prefer the program: Idiot vs someone who at least can find information, a little google query could have helped you as well, but again and again you make the same mistakes. Please -learn-. How about idiot vs. someone with a personal problem with idiot - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems, Java Developer Tools http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly. ^ mostly developers are able to find information, and business people do not, are you sure the signature is correct here and didn't you revert the information by accident? Revert or invert??!?!? most developers know how to pay attention to detail - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems, Java Developer Tools http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHgy4ZjRvRjGmHRgQRAg0DAKCePjtc9mOrJJb7i+TxeG4ChI8bwQCfWsQ3 +kWYFDbv17xYiGNyvqXdLSs= =xnqp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CFT: Adobe Reader 8 + SCIM/UIM (was Adobe Reader and SCIM)
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:28:06 +0900 (JST) Hiroki Sato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, If you are using Adobe Reader 8.1.1 with SCIM or UIM, please try the following and then run acroread8: # cd /usr/ports # fetch http://people.allbsd.org/~hrs/FreeBSD/imm-ports.tar.gz # tar xzvf imm-ports.tar.gz # cd /usr/ports/textproc/linux-scim-libs make install # cd /usr/ports/textproc/linux-uim-gtk2 make install imm-ports.tar.gz includes three new ports of immodules in Linux binary which should make SCIM and UIM work with acroread8. If they work, I will commit them as dependency. Thanks, this worked for me (with SCIM). Now I can use all keyboards in acroread8, but in my case the presence of these libs raises a problem with acroread7. Notes: 1. I tested scim-tables-imengine and scim-kmfl-imengine only; 2. [unimportant] It creates empty icon which behaves as new default keyboard, but remains besides existing default (neutral) keyboard-icon (English/Keyboard in my case); 3. Now acroread7 doesn't work (for me at least), with all SCIM-related environment variables schemes. It just returns me back to the shell prompt without any error message; 4. However, if I use the environment scheme I suggested in my previous mail and change GTK_IM_MODULE/XMODIFIERS in acroread7 startup script as proposed, all applications work, and SCIM in them. -- Nikola Lečić :: Никола Лечић ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CFT: Adobe Reader 8 + SCIM/UIM (was Adobe Reader and SCIM)
On Tuesday 08 January 2008 02:02:34 am Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: did: grep ^acroread /usr/ports/INDEX-6 It was not in the ports collection or the index thus the question. it is (As you obviously can see) Ok super genius show it to me: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:dev/thistest/ui/cmdline% grep ^acroread /usr/ports/INDEX-8 acroread7-7.0.9_2,1|/usr/ports/print/acroread7|/usr/X11R6|Adobe Reader for view, print, and search PDF documents (ENU)|/usr/ports/print/acroread7/pkg-descr|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|print linux||acroreadwrapper-0.0.20060221_3 linux-atk-1.9.1 linux-cairo-1.0.2 linux-expat-1.95.8 linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_7 linux-glib2-2.6.6 linux-gtk2-2.6.10 linux-jpeg-6b.34 linux-pango-1.10.2 linux-png-1.2.8_2 linux-tiff-3.7.1 linux-xorg-libs-6.8.2_5 linux_base-fc-4_10|http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readermain.html||| acroreadwrapper-0.0.20060221_3|/usr/ports/print/acroreadwrapper|/usr/local| Wrapper script for Adobe Reader|/usr/ports/print/acroreadwrapper/pkg-descr|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|print || [EMAIL PROTECTED]:dev/thistest/ui/cmdline% grep ^acroread8 /usr/ports/INDEX-8 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:dev/thistest/ui/cmdline% btw INDEX-8 is current as of a few hours ago. snip namecalling uhmmm, your index may be current with your out of date ports tree... Fri Jan 4 20:22:54 2008 UTC (3 days, 11 hours ago) by hrs Add Adobe Reader 8.1.1 and localized versions (total 15 languages). Changes from 7.x include: .. In all honesty I find it amusing you're attempting to improve a system you obviously don't understand -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel PGP: 8A48 EF36 5E9F 4EDA 5A8C 11B4 26F9 01F1 27AF AECB signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
RTFM (was: Re: CFT: Adobe Reader 8 + SCIM/UIM)
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:02:34 -0500 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: btw INDEX-8 is current as of a few hours ago. Have you ever dare to do man ports? WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CFT: Adobe Reader 8 + SCIM/UIM (was Adobe Reader and SCIM)
Hi all, If you are using Adobe Reader 8.1.1 with SCIM or UIM, please try the following and then run acroread8: # cd /usr/ports # fetch http://people.allbsd.org/~hrs/FreeBSD/imm-ports.tar.gz # tar xzvf imm-ports.tar.gz # cd /usr/ports/textproc/linux-scim-libs make install # cd /usr/ports/textproc/linux-uim-gtk2 make install imm-ports.tar.gz includes three new ports of immodules in Linux binary which should make SCIM and UIM work with acroread8. If they work, I will commit them as dependency. -- | Hiroki SATO pgpyAUuIjNDTm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: CFT: Adobe Reader 8 + SCIM/UIM (was Adobe Reader and SCIM)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hiroki Sato wrote: Hi all, If you are using Adobe Reader 8.1.1 with SCIM or UIM, please try the following and then run acroread8: # cd /usr/ports # fetch http://people.allbsd.org/~hrs/FreeBSD/imm-ports.tar.gz # tar xzvf imm-ports.tar.gz # cd /usr/ports/textproc/linux-scim-libs make install # cd /usr/ports/textproc/linux-uim-gtk2 make install imm-ports.tar.gz includes three new ports of immodules in Linux binary which should make SCIM and UIM work with acroread8. If they work, I will commit them as dependency. Where do I find acroread8? -- | Hiroki SATO - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems, Java Developer Tools http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHgv1gjRvRjGmHRgQRAmCbAJ93g4hMV4lBeuQ/hyl8elDg8gHitQCfda5Y mcDdHI0vX+5kt5BBKMvJpoc= =Eazi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CFT: Adobe Reader 8 + SCIM/UIM
Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ar Where do I find acroread8? See http://www.freshports.org/print/acroread8/. -- | Hiroki SATO pgphR4ln4i3sY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: CFT: Adobe Reader 8 + SCIM/UIM (was Adobe Reader and SCIM)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Remko Lodder wrote: [snip irrelevant info] Where do I find acroread8? [snip irrelevant info] Sigh, you never -ever- learn do you? checkout www.freshports.org for a real easy search option, or what I just Never heard of freshports upto now. did: grep ^acroread /usr/ports/INDEX-6 It was not in the ports collection or the index thus the question. acroread8-8.1.1_1|/usr/ports/print/acroread8| that wasn't SO hard right? Now back our regular program of idiot vs. idiot. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems, Java Developer Tools http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHgyXijRvRjGmHRgQRAhdMAJ9PJxuP68WgjS6DhtzQdmblOKZWxwCgrTeX kdxj1hI87uU2KGEVu/XPgDM= =1tOB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CFT: Adobe Reader 8 + SCIM/UIM (was Adobe Reader and SCIM)
On Tue, January 8, 2008 8:27 am, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Remko Lodder wrote: [snip irrelevant info] Where do I find acroread8? [snip irrelevant info] Sigh, you never -ever- learn do you? checkout www.freshports.org for a real easy search option, or what I just Never heard of freshports upto now. What a suprise to read this from you... did: grep ^acroread /usr/ports/INDEX-6 It was not in the ports collection or the index thus the question. it is (As you obviously can see) acroread8-8.1.1_1|/usr/ports/print/acroread8| that wasn't SO hard right? Now back our regular program of idiot vs. idiot. I prefer the program: Idiot vs someone who at least can find information, a little google query could have helped you as well, but again and again you make the same mistakes. Please -learn-. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems, Java Developer Tools http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly. ^ mostly developers are able to find information, and business people do not, are you sure the signature is correct here and didn't you revert the information by accident? -- /\ Best regards, | [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / Remko Lodder | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Xhttp://www.evilcoder.org/ | / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]