Re: Dead projects in ports tree
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com wrote: --On Monday, March 02, 2009 16:36:38 -0600 David E. Thiel l...@freebsd.org wrote: While I'm in favor of removing useless ports, there are several projects which are simply done, and lack of development doesn't mean they're obsolete or useless. I completely agree. So long as a port is being used and people find it useful, I think it would be a mistake to remove those ports. In fact I suspect it wouldn't be long before someone was submitting a PR to reinstate the port. Perfect example is converters/unix2dos, last updated in 2003 and converters/mpack, last updated in 2006. I still use both, and I would be irritated if they were removed from ports. A lack of development activity != a lack of usefulness I agree for projects like that that are feature complete. However, projects like xmms drag on the use of gtk 1.2 and will soon be out of date in terms of file formats, decoding capability, etc. Then again I suppose when that day comes xmms will be marked busted and eventually shuffled out of the tree, so I'll shut my trap about that :). openquicktime is another thing though: it's not useful for decoding today's quicktime videos because Apple's vastly updated the quicktime movie format -- thus unless someone's using it for some ancient format that's no longer used in mainstream, I personally don't understand the need for it in the tree. Also, I remember various security issues being reported with openquicktime in Gentoo Linux back a few years ago (when I used it religiously), so I really wonder how safe some of the 3rd party software is that is available via pkg / ports and is extremely out-of-date. Same with realplayer (or helix, or whatever it evolved into...). I'm just trying spark some interest in reducing the number of stale/unmaintainable ports in the tree because we have a large number of ports that aren't cared for like they should be :(. Thanks, -Garrett ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Garrett Cooper yanef...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com wrote: I completely agree. So long as a port is being used and people find it useful, I think it would be a mistake to remove those ports. In fact I suspect it wouldn't be long before someone was submitting a PR to reinstate the port. Perfect example is converters/unix2dos, last updated in 2003 and converters/mpack, last updated in 2006. I still use both, and I would be irritated if they were removed from ports. A lack of development activity != a lack of usefulness I agree for projects like that that are feature complete. However, projects like xmms drag on the use of gtk 1.2 and will soon be out of date in terms of file formats, decoding capability, etc. Then again I suppose when that day comes xmms will be marked busted and eventually shuffled out of the tree, so I'll shut my trap about that :). And what? Until gtk+-1.2 removed from ports, the xmms perfectly able to compile and run, at least from the gtk+ dependency side. Anyone, who don't like gtk-1.2 installed may just don't install both xmms and gtk+-1.2, just like me. Personal preferences are just personal preferences and no more. About file formats: my 5 years hardware dvd player also has limited decoding capability and formats support in comparison with today ones, but these capabilities are enough for me. And it still work. Now question: why I need to replace it if all just works and fits my requirements? The same logic may be applied to software too: why drop/replace if it just works? When it xmms occur to be uncompiliable or unable to run -- then yes, it may be reason to abandon it. But when it works ... see no reasons to remove. Frankly, I would glad to see absolutelly another discussion: not about dropping software that works (and as far as I understand, which port is maintained), but about making needed but broken software work again (e.g. valgrind, which is compiliable, but absolutelly not runnable since freebsd-7.0, and unfortunatelly has no replacement...) -- Andrew W. Nosenko andrew.w.nose...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:36 PM, David E. Thiel l...@freebsd.org wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 04:05:56PM -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: multimedia/openquicktime - no movement in CVS / SVN for 1+ years; no releases in the past 3 years I'll continue posting more items to this thread as I find them... Thanks, -Garrett xmms looks completely dead now. Can someone confirm or deny this fact? While I'm in favor of removing useless ports, there are several projects which are simply done, and lack of development doesn't mean they're obsolete or useless. The logic above would seem to suggest we should remove qmail too. I would like to hear what people feel the best method for getting rid of unused and irrelevant ports, though -- bump portrevision and mark BROKEN for a few months? Qmail doesn't have a new version for a long time, i know, but new version of patch collection are released, like you can see las spamcontrol 2.5.x, and author is working on 2.6.x with a lot of new features, so, i don't consider qmail a dead project at all. And, there are a good number of qmail users, i don't think it's a good idea remove this port, i'm maintaining it for some years and i can still maintain and keep it working on ports infrastructure. -- Renato Botelho ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 11:40:42AM +0200, Andrew W. Nosenko wrote: Frankly, I would glad to see absolutely another discussion: not about dropping software that works (and as far as I understand, which port is maintained), but about making needed but broken software work again (e.g. valgrind, which is compiliable, but absolutelly not runnable since freebsd-7.0, and unfortunatelly has no replacement...) Well, it all depends on how much work volunteers are willing to do. fwiw, I periodically send out email about broken ports (as evaluated on i386-current): http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20090126081726.DBA671CC6F A less verbose, but constantly updated, version is at http://portsmon.freebsd.org/portsconcordanceforbroken.py . It's showing 165 ports ATM, a few with PRs to fix them. mcl ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:09:04 -0600, Garrett Cooper yanef...@gmail.com wrote: Just trying to amass cruft in the ports tree that could be marked deprecated and removed. Some assistance in amassing the list would be helpful... multimedia/openquicktime - no movement in CVS / SVN for 1+ years; no releases in the past 3 years I'll continue posting more items to this thread as I find them... Guys, no ports are going to be get remove when they have dead projects or else. If these ports work correct, fetchable and not vulnerability, then there is no reason to remove. Just don't touch these ports, and these ports aren't going to bother and bite you. The BROKEN and pointyhat will tell you when those ports are ready to get remove. Therefore, please use your time on something else to make yourself more useful. Cheers, Mezz Thanks, -Garrett -- me...@cox.net - m...@freebsd.org FreeBSD GNOME Team http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gn...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 04:05:56PM -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: multimedia/openquicktime - no movement in CVS / SVN for 1+ years; no releases in the past 3 years I'll continue posting more items to this thread as I find them... Thanks, -Garrett xmms looks completely dead now. Can someone confirm or deny this fact? While I'm in favor of removing useless ports, there are several projects which are simply done, and lack of development doesn't mean they're obsolete or useless. The logic above would seem to suggest we should remove qmail too. I would like to hear what people feel the best method for getting rid of unused and irrelevant ports, though -- bump portrevision and mark BROKEN for a few months? ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 02:35:38PM -0801, David E. Thiel wrote: I would like to hear what people feel the best method for getting rid of unused and irrelevant ports, though -- bump portrevision and mark BROKEN for a few months? How about marking them DEPRECATED and with an EXPIRATION_DATE, as is already commonly done? mcl ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 05:30:46PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 02:35:38PM -0801, David E. Thiel wrote: I would like to hear what people feel the best method for getting rid of unused and irrelevant ports, though -- bump portrevision and mark BROKEN for a few months? How about marking them DEPRECATED and with an EXPIRATION_DATE, as is already commonly done? Ah, fair enough. Been a while since I've run into those, so they slipped my mind. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
On Monday 02 March 2009 13:36:38 David E. Thiel wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 04:05:56PM -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: multimedia/openquicktime - no movement in CVS / SVN for 1+ years; no releases in the past 3 years I'll continue posting more items to this thread as I find them... Thanks, -Garrett xmms looks completely dead now. Can someone confirm or deny this fact? While I'm in favor of removing useless ports, there are several projects which are simply done, and lack of development doesn't mean they're obsolete or useless. The logic above would seem to suggest we should remove qmail too. I would like to hear what people feel the best method for getting rid of unused and irrelevant ports, though -- bump portrevision and mark BROKEN for a few months? This opens up a huge can of worms. One user's favorite port is another user's crap. The general rule of thumb is if the port is unmaintained and abandonware (website gone, not fetchable etc) then it should be marked DEPRECATED with a date a month or so out. Most of these ports are also mirrored by FreeBSD if they aren't restricted. Any port that has been broken for 6 months are usually removed. Portmgr usually handles this area and it's generally a good idea to contact them regarding any of these ports. Beech -- --- Beech Rintoul - FreeBSD Developer - be...@freebsd.org /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://people.freebsd.org/~beech X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Skype: akbeech / \ - http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/7.1R/announce.html --- ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
--On Monday, March 02, 2009 16:36:38 -0600 David E. Thiel l...@freebsd.org wrote: While I'm in favor of removing useless ports, there are several projects which are simply done, and lack of development doesn't mean they're obsolete or useless. I completely agree. So long as a port is being used and people find it useful, I think it would be a mistake to remove those ports. In fact I suspect it wouldn't be long before someone was submitting a PR to reinstate the port. Perfect example is converters/unix2dos, last updated in 2003 and converters/mpack, last updated in 2006. I still use both, and I would be irritated if they were removed from ports. A lack of development activity != a lack of usefulness -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** Check the headers before clicking on Reply. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
Le Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:09:04 -0800, Garrett Cooper yanef...@gmail.com: [Dead projects] lang/smarteiffel (1.2r7) - does not fetch on the master site. - broken for a while with gcc4 except on i386 (known problem not specific to FreeBSD). - not updated to 1.2r8. - project dead. - only one user (me)? I think we can remove it. Regards. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
Garrett Cooper wrote: Just trying to amass cruft in the ports tree that could be marked deprecated and removed. Some assistance in amassing the list would be helpful... [...] Another candidate would be lang/drscheme: - the port is not maintained any longer - it installs a rather old version - it's replaced by lang/plt-scheme (which is maintained) I raised this issue not that long ago (see http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=473245+0+archive/2009/freebsd-ports/20090222.freebsd-ports) and was just going to file a PR for this... Regards, Philipp ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:10 PM, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Garrett Cooper gmail.com!yanef...@agora.rdrop.com wrote: Just trying to amass cruft in the ports tree that could be marked deprecated and removed ... multimedia/openquicktime - no movement in CVS / SVN for 1+ years; no releases in the past 3 years This strikes me as slim evidence on which to seek a death sentence :) While I can't testify to the usefulness of this particular port, the fact that something has not changed in a long time could just as well mean that it does its job well -- and thus does not need to be updated -- as that it is no longer useful. openquicktime never worked for me several years ago and I doubt that's changed until now. win32-codecs has been the only thing that's worked for me with quicktime. The quicktime format has advanced sufficiently in the past couple years that I doubt that it would properly support playing quicktime videos... That's part of what I'm driving at. Thanks, -Garrett ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Dead projects in ports tree
Just trying to amass cruft in the ports tree that could be marked deprecated and removed. Some assistance in amassing the list would be helpful... multimedia/openquicktime - no movement in CVS / SVN for 1+ years; no releases in the past 3 years I'll continue posting more items to this thread as I find them... Thanks, -Garrett ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Garrett Cooper yanef...@gmail.com wrote: Just trying to amass cruft in the ports tree that could be marked deprecated and removed. Some assistance in amassing the list would be helpful... multimedia/openquicktime - no movement in CVS / SVN for 1+ years; no releases in the past 3 years I'll continue posting more items to this thread as I find them... Thanks, -Garrett xmms looks completely dead now. Can someone confirm or deny this fact? -Garrett ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
Garrett Cooper writes: Just trying to amass cruft in the ports tree that could be marked deprecated and removed. Some assistance in amassing the list would be helpful... xmms looks completely dead now. Can someone confirm or deny this fact? huff@ dir /var/dv/pkg | grep xmms-1 drwxr-xr-x2 root wheel 512 Feb 27 15:47 xmms-1.2.11_6 huff@ ps -ax | grep xmms 99029 ?? S102:16.39 /usr/local/bin/xmms It's currently playing Fleetwood Mac's The chain Robert Huff ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
Robert Huff wrote: Garrett Cooper writes: Just trying to amass cruft in the ports tree that could be marked deprecated and removed. Some assistance in amassing the list would be helpful... xmms looks completely dead now. Can someone confirm or deny this fact? huff@ dir /var/dv/pkg | grep xmms-1 drwxr-xr-x2 root wheel 512 Feb 27 15:47 xmms-1.2.11_6 huff@ ps -ax | grep xmms 99029 ?? S102:16.39 /usr/local/bin/xmms It's currently playing Fleetwood Mac's The chain Robert Huff I too still use xmms and can confirm it works still. Naram Qashat ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:25:09 -0500 Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: Garrett Cooper writes: Just trying to amass cruft in the ports tree that could be marked deprecated and removed. Some assistance in amassing the list would be helpful... xmms looks completely dead now. Can someone confirm or deny this fact? huff@ dir /var/dv/pkg | grep xmms-1 drwxr-xr-x2 root wheel 512 Feb 27 15:47 xmms-1.2.11_6 huff@ ps -ax | grep xmms 99029 ?? S102:16.39 /usr/local/bin/xmms It's currently playing Fleetwood Mac's The chain Quite. I find xmms very useful as a secondary mp2/flac player, particularly when I have a long playlist is amarok, and I don't want to lose my place in an audio-book, or opera. I don't see the point in removing stable software just because it hasn't needed fixing recently. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
per...@pluto.rain.com writes: multimedia/openquicktime - no movement in CVS / SVN for 1+ years; no releases in the past 3 years This strikes me as slim evidence on which to seek a death sentence :) While I can't testify to the usefulness of this particular port, the fact that something has not changed in a long time could just as well mean that it does its job well -- and thus does not need to be updated -- as that it is no longer useful. Are there criteria - or even guidelines - for when a port should be reaped? Robert Huff ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
On Saturday 28 February 2009 17:33:17 Robert Huff wrote: per...@pluto.rain.com writes: multimedia/openquicktime - no movement in CVS / SVN for 1+ years; no releases in the past 3 years This strikes me as slim evidence on which to seek a death sentence :) While I can't testify to the usefulness of this particular port, the fact that something has not changed in a long time could just as well mean that it does its job well -- and thus does not need to be updated -- as that it is no longer useful. Are there criteria - or even guidelines - for when a port should be reaped? Sure, if the port has been broken for more than 6 months, it's abandoned (website is gone and port isn't fetchable from outside mirrors) or it's been replaced. Beech -- --- Beech Rintoul - FreeBSD Developer - be...@freebsd.org /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://people.freebsd.org/~beech X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Skype: akbeech / \ - http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/7.1R/announce.html --- ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Dead projects in ports tree
On Saturday 28 February 2009 15:05:56 Garrett Cooper wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Garrett Cooper yanef...@gmail.com wrote: Just trying to amass cruft in the ports tree that could be marked deprecated and removed. Some assistance in amassing the list would be helpful... multimedia/openquicktime - no movement in CVS / SVN for 1+ years; no releases in the past 3 years I'll continue posting more items to this thread as I find them... Thanks, -Garrett xmms looks completely dead now. Can someone confirm or deny this fact? That port is maintained by me. There haven't been any updates for awhile, but the port is stable. Two reasons to leave it alone. 1: It is stable and works on all versions and 2: The port has several ports that depend on it. Beech -- --- Beech Rintoul - FreeBSD Developer - be...@freebsd.org /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://people.freebsd.org/~beech X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Skype: akbeech / \ - http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/7.1R/announce.html --- ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
