Re: FreeBSD Ports conflicts checker

2012-06-05 Thread Jakub Lach
For one thing, skimming casually I see mostly
kde related ports conflicting with other kde ones
which I presume are false positives, removing 
them from list would make it appear more 
meaningful.



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Re: FreeBSD Ports conflicts checker

2012-06-05 Thread Ion-Mihai Tetcu

 [ PLEASE don't top-post, ktnx ]

On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:29:58 +0300
Sulev-Madis Silber  wrote:

> Well, I admit that this short summary was little too big. Bigger than
> the another report that regularly ends up in ports@
> 
> Maybe big maintainer groups need different approach to this. And this
> needs more refinement. I let things settle for a while and tell few
> weeks later what is left.
>
> With more sanity and size checks, maybe. Refined form of conflicts.
> This report already contains useful stuff but it's hard to spot
> currently.

Port "maintained" by ports@ are unmaintained so there's no "big
maintainer group" here; IMO you should send this kind of botmails to
ports@ from time to time (each 2-4 weeks), eventually with some by-hand
comments in it if that's the case.
Else no one will know / fix these ports.

Based on my experience of running QAT for some years:
- $people will complain about noise
- $people will complain about the way the mail is formatted (yeh, of
  course I have a few suggestion about that :D )
(in 90% of the cases, $people above would do much better to
ssh freefall.FreeBSD.org "tail -2 /etc/motd")
- bugging people / lists on each run makes people ignore the issues
My suggestion is to:
- do a "mass mailing" (recap) each 6-8 weeks,
- not send a mail on each run, except a commit was done to the
  respective ports since the lasts mail (in which case the problem
  should have been fixed)
- avoid false-positives even if this way you risk missing some
  problems; 5% of false positives make people doubt the real 95%
  problems (generally speaking, getting right the last 5-10% is 90% of
  the work)
- KEEP STATS. LOTS OF. if $port is broken for weeks and weeks, then
  we(portmgr@)'d like to know about it in order to find out what
  prevents it to be fixed and get it fixed.

From a QA POV, I think your work is one of the best things that
happened in the last years. THANK YOU for your work.

(I'll be in touch in the next days).


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Re: FreeBSD Ports conflicts checker

2012-06-05 Thread Sulev-Madis Silber
Well, I admit that this short summary was little too big. Bigger than
the another report that regularly ends up in ports@

Maybe big maintainer groups need different approach to this. And this
needs more refinement. I let things settle for a while and tell few
weeks later what is left.

With more sanity and size checks, maybe. Refined form of conflicts. This
report already contains useful stuff but it's hard to spot currently.


On 2012-06-05 13:35, Michael Scheidell wrote:
> 
> 
> On 6/5/12 3:00 AM, Sulev-Madis 'ketas' Silber wrote:
>> HTML version of this report is here: 
>> http://ketas.si.pri.ee/ports-conflicts/po...@freebsd.org
>>
>> For port accessibility/kdeaccessibility suggesting new CONFLICTS 
>> jovie-[0-9]* kdeartwork-[0-9]* kmag-[0-9]* kmousetool-[0-9]* kmouth-[0-9]* 
>> because of overlapping files bin/kmag (also used by accessibility/kmag) ... 
>> skipped 1396 other ones
> you opened several pr's.
> 
> dumping this into ports@ is less than helpful.
> 
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Re: FreeBSD Ports conflicts checker

2012-06-05 Thread Michael Scheidell



On 6/5/12 3:00 AM, Sulev-Madis 'ketas' Silber wrote:

HTML version of this report is 
here:http://ketas.si.pri.ee/ports-conflicts/po...@freebsd.org

For port accessibility/kdeaccessibility suggesting new CONFLICTS jovie-[0-9]* 
kdeartwork-[0-9]* kmag-[0-9]* kmousetool-[0-9]* kmouth-[0-9]* because of 
overlapping files bin/kmag (also used by accessibility/kmag) ... skipped 1396 
other ones

you opened several pr's.

dumping this into ports@ is less than helpful.

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