Re: Radeon KMS [was Re: KWin no longer compositing?]
On 11/01/2011 07:55 AM, Kostik Belousov wrote: Involved in what sense ? Basically, you take the Linux sources, drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/* and makes them compilable, runnable and then bug-free under FreeBSD. In the course of actions, you add the missed infrastructure bits from drivers/gpu/drm/*. The most infrastructure parts needed for the KMS are already ported in my kms git branch. Biggest missed stuff is TTM, but I already promised to do it if somebody takes care of the radeon. The line count for radeon driver is ~100KLOC, that is twice as big as Intel driver. I am optimistic that the porting will take 3-4 months, judging after the Intel experience. Also, I am more then willing to help, but definitely won't do it myself. For what it's worth, I started an e-mail exchange with the FreeBSD Foundation about funding work on radeon KMS. Their response was: "We think this is a great idea and we would love to do work in this area, but we currently don't have anyone available to do this work." If someone is interested, and capable, they should get in touch with the Foundation. Adam ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Radeon KMS [was Re: KWin no longer compositing?]
On Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 06:06:01AM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2011-Oct-29 12:34:11 +0300, Kostik Belousov wrote: > >I think 3-4 months is the reasonable estimation for bringing up both > >TTM/execution and KMS for radeons. The KMS infrastructure is already > >ported. > > > >If somebody is interested in doing the Radeon driver proper, I may port > >TTM. > > I'm also interested in this. Can you give some indication as to what > is involved? Involved in what sense ? Basically, you take the Linux sources, drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/* and makes them compilable, runnable and then bug-free under FreeBSD. In the course of actions, you add the missed infrastructure bits from drivers/gpu/drm/*. The most infrastructure parts needed for the KMS are already ported in my kms git branch. Biggest missed stuff is TTM, but I already promised to do it if somebody takes care of the radeon. The line count for radeon driver is ~100KLOC, that is twice as big as Intel driver. I am optimistic that the porting will take 3-4 months, judging after the Intel experience. Also, I am more then willing to help, but definitely won't do it myself. pgp5nLWoPu2kx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Radeon KMS [was Re: KWin no longer compositing?]
On 2011-Oct-29 12:34:11 +0300, Kostik Belousov wrote: >I think 3-4 months is the reasonable estimation for bringing up both >TTM/execution and KMS for radeons. The KMS infrastructure is already >ported. > >If somebody is interested in doing the Radeon driver proper, I may port >TTM. I'm also interested in this. Can you give some indication as to what is involved? -- Peter Jeremy pgpQ8zu9OSA2o.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: KWin no longer compositing?
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 07:56:36PM +1100, Lawrence Stewart wrote: > On 10/29/11 19:47, Kostik Belousov wrote: > >On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 07:24:52PM +1100, Lawrence Stewart wrote: > >>On 10/24/11 19:05, Andriy Gapon wrote: > >>>on 24/10/2011 07:07 Greg Lewis said the following: > So it seems like even the newest version we support in ports is an > antique :(. I'm going to guess upgrading it is not going to be easy. > >>> > >>>Almost trivial in a sense. > >>>I've been using xorg-dev for quite a while and it works great (for me). > >>>Mesa is > >>>at 7.11 in those ports. > >>> > >>>http://trillian.chruetertee.ch/ports/wiki > >>> > >> > >>I too no longer have compositing in KDE 4.7.2 where I used to with > >>4.6.x. Is there a technical reason the newer MESA hasn't been merged > >>into mainline ports? Or is it purely a manpower thing? > > > >There is newer Mesa in xorg-dev. See the instructions at > >http://miwi.bsdcrew.de/2011/02/cft-xorg-7-5-miwi1-freebsd-edition/ > > Thanks for the pointer. > > >There is a rat nest of the system dependencies and ddx/xorg server > >versions that makes the update really tricky. Until GEMified i915.ko > >is not committed to the src/, the Intel GPUs will not work, I believe. > >Also, it seems that Mesa 7.11 is the last release that will work > >for Radeon DRM that lacks TTM and execution support. > > I use Radeon so I guess it's an interim update which will get things > going in the short term followed by hoping someone capable of doing the > TTM support for it comes forward. Do you have a feel for just how much > time would be involved in doing the required work to get the radeon > driver up to scratch? Does your work for the Intel GPUs lay some common > groundwork which will reduce the work required to update other drivers > like radeon? (It is clear I have no concept about how all the moving > parts fit together or what's involved in getting all drivers into shape > for "the future" i.e. KMS). I think 3-4 months is the reasonable estimation for bringing up both TTM/execution and KMS for radeons. The KMS infrastructure is already ported. If somebody is interested in doing the Radeon driver proper, I may port TTM. pgp5jGxNdvF6y.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: KWin no longer compositing?
On 10/29/11 19:47, Kostik Belousov wrote: On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 07:24:52PM +1100, Lawrence Stewart wrote: On 10/24/11 19:05, Andriy Gapon wrote: on 24/10/2011 07:07 Greg Lewis said the following: So it seems like even the newest version we support in ports is an antique :(. I'm going to guess upgrading it is not going to be easy. Almost trivial in a sense. I've been using xorg-dev for quite a while and it works great (for me). Mesa is at 7.11 in those ports. http://trillian.chruetertee.ch/ports/wiki I too no longer have compositing in KDE 4.7.2 where I used to with 4.6.x. Is there a technical reason the newer MESA hasn't been merged into mainline ports? Or is it purely a manpower thing? There is newer Mesa in xorg-dev. See the instructions at http://miwi.bsdcrew.de/2011/02/cft-xorg-7-5-miwi1-freebsd-edition/ Thanks for the pointer. There is a rat nest of the system dependencies and ddx/xorg server versions that makes the update really tricky. Until GEMified i915.ko is not committed to the src/, the Intel GPUs will not work, I believe. Also, it seems that Mesa 7.11 is the last release that will work for Radeon DRM that lacks TTM and execution support. I use Radeon so I guess it's an interim update which will get things going in the short term followed by hoping someone capable of doing the TTM support for it comes forward. Do you have a feel for just how much time would be involved in doing the required work to get the radeon driver up to scratch? Does your work for the Intel GPUs lay some common groundwork which will reduce the work required to update other drivers like radeon? (It is clear I have no concept about how all the moving parts fit together or what's involved in getting all drivers into shape for "the future" i.e. KMS). Cheers, Lawrence ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KWin no longer compositing?
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 07:24:52PM +1100, Lawrence Stewart wrote: > On 10/24/11 19:05, Andriy Gapon wrote: > >on 24/10/2011 07:07 Greg Lewis said the following: > >>So it seems like even the newest version we support in ports is an > >>antique :(. I'm going to guess upgrading it is not going to be easy. > > > >Almost trivial in a sense. > >I've been using xorg-dev for quite a while and it works great (for me). > >Mesa is > >at 7.11 in those ports. > > > >http://trillian.chruetertee.ch/ports/wiki > > > > I too no longer have compositing in KDE 4.7.2 where I used to with > 4.6.x. Is there a technical reason the newer MESA hasn't been merged > into mainline ports? Or is it purely a manpower thing? There is newer Mesa in xorg-dev. See the instructions at http://miwi.bsdcrew.de/2011/02/cft-xorg-7-5-miwi1-freebsd-edition/ There is a rat nest of the system dependencies and ddx/xorg server versions that makes the update really tricky. Until GEMified i915.ko is not committed to the src/, the Intel GPUs will not work, I believe. Also, it seems that Mesa 7.11 is the last release that will work for Radeon DRM that lacks TTM and execution support. pgpFpgyH0ufEj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: KWin no longer compositing?
On 10/24/11 19:05, Andriy Gapon wrote: on 24/10/2011 07:07 Greg Lewis said the following: So it seems like even the newest version we support in ports is an antique :(. I'm going to guess upgrading it is not going to be easy. Almost trivial in a sense. I've been using xorg-dev for quite a while and it works great (for me). Mesa is at 7.11 in those ports. http://trillian.chruetertee.ch/ports/wiki I too no longer have compositing in KDE 4.7.2 where I used to with 4.6.x. Is there a technical reason the newer MESA hasn't been merged into mainline ports? Or is it purely a manpower thing? Cheers, Lawrence ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KWin no longer compositing?
I found rather wonky X after the xorg-server upgrade until I re-installed nvidia-driver, but then I see output mentioned in your first link: OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation OpenGL renderer string: Quadro FX 580/PCI/SSE2 OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 285.05.09 OpenGL shading language version string: 3.30 NVIDIA via Cg compiler Driver: NVIDIA Driver version: 285.5.9 GPU class: Unknown OpenGL version: 3.3 GLSL version: 3.30 X server version: 1.7.7 Direct rendering: yes Requires strict binding:no GLSL shaders: yes Texture NPOT support: yes OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation OpenGL renderer string: Quadro FX 580/PCI/SSE2 OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 285.05.09 OpenGL shading language version string: 3.30 NVIDIA via Cg compiler Driver: NVIDIA Driver version: 285.5.9 GPU class: Unknown OpenGL version: 3.3 GLSL version: 3.30 X server version: 1.7.7 Direct rendering: yes Requires strict binding:no GLSL shaders: yes Texture NPOT support: yes Doesn't help I suppose if you're not using an Nvidia card and the binary driver... ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KWin no longer compositing?
on 24/10/2011 07:07 Greg Lewis said the following: > So it seems like even the newest version we support in ports is an > antique :(. I'm going to guess upgrading it is not going to be easy. Almost trivial in a sense. I've been using xorg-dev for quite a while and it works great (for me). Mesa is at 7.11 in those ports. http://trillian.chruetertee.ch/ports/wiki -- Andriy Gapon ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KWin no longer compositing?
G'day Raphael, On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:01:10PM -0200, Raphael Kubo da Costa wrote: > Greg Lewis writes: > > kwin(2319): KWin requires at least Mesa 7.10 for OpenGL compositing. > > kwin(2319): Failed to initialize compositing, compositing disabled > > kwin(2319): Consult > > http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KWin/4.0-release-notes#Setting_up > > > > Is that a new requirement with 4.7? Compositing worked previously with > > the older version of Mesa we have in ports (7.6.1). That is going to be > > a problem since 7.6.1 is the newest version of Mesa we have in ports. > > > > Has anyone else run into this or has KWin doing compositing after the > > upgrade? > > According to a message Martin Gr??sslin sent to the KDE packagers mailing > list (sorry, no archive, the list is not public), this is a new > requirement for 4.7: at least Mesa 7.10 is required. BTW, the Mesa we > have in ports seems to be 7.4.4, not 7.6.1. 7.4.4 is the default. If you have WITHOUT_NOUVEAU defined (I do) you get 7.6.1 (see graphics/libGL/bsd.mesalib.mk). > Some references I can point to: > > 1. > http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/05/the-compositing-modes-of-kde-plasma-workspaces-explained/ > 2. > http://commits.kde.org/kde-workspace/ae63f84ba102cff532adbf403ac088522365425f > 3. > http://commits.kde.org/kde-workspace/afe966579d56f85444c432a3a6adf026d2941bd5 Thanks. I'll take a look over these. > When I contacted Martin at the time of his announcement, he said this > verification was to ensure all the drivers used KMS (and their > development experience only went back as far as Mesa 7.7; 7.4.4 is old > enough for KWin bug reports with it to be ignored) and thus didn't break. So it seems like even the newest version we support in ports is an antique :(. I'm going to guess upgrading it is not going to be easy. -- Greg Lewis Email : gle...@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : gle...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: KWin no longer compositing?
Greg Lewis writes: > kwin(2319): KWin requires at least Mesa 7.10 for OpenGL compositing. > kwin(2319): Failed to initialize compositing, compositing disabled > kwin(2319): Consult > http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KWin/4.0-release-notes#Setting_up > > Is that a new requirement with 4.7? Compositing worked previously with > the older version of Mesa we have in ports (7.6.1). That is going to be > a problem since 7.6.1 is the newest version of Mesa we have in ports. > > Has anyone else run into this or has KWin doing compositing after the > upgrade? According to a message Martin Grässlin sent to the KDE packagers mailing list (sorry, no archive, the list is not public), this is a new requirement for 4.7: at least Mesa 7.10 is required. BTW, the Mesa we have in ports seems to be 7.4.4, not 7.6.1. Some references I can point to: 1. http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/05/the-compositing-modes-of-kde-plasma-workspaces-explained/ 2. http://commits.kde.org/kde-workspace/ae63f84ba102cff532adbf403ac088522365425f 3. http://commits.kde.org/kde-workspace/afe966579d56f85444c432a3a6adf026d2941bd5 When I contacted Martin at the time of his announcement, he said this verification was to ensure all the drivers used KMS (and their development experience only went back as far as Mesa 7.7; 7.4.4 is old enough for KWin bug reports with it to be ignored) and thus didn't break. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
KWin no longer compositing?
I've just finished upgrading to KDE 4.7.2. Apart from the errors that others have reported I've found that KWin is no longer acting as a compositing window manager. Specifically, my terminals (Gnome Terminals) are no longer transparent, the window bar at the bottom of the screen no longer shows a snapshot of a window on another desktop when I hover over it, windows no longer glow when they have the focus, etc. In .xsession-errors I see this: kwin(2319)/KSharedDataCache: Unable to unmap shared memory segment 0x2fb0 IRQ's not enabled, falling back to busy waits: 2 0 OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R600 (RS880 9715) 20090101 x86/ MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2 TCL OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 7.6.1 Driver: R600C GPU class: R600 OpenGL version: 1.2 Mesa version: 7.6.1 X server version: 1.7.7 Direct rendering: no Requires strict binding:yes GLSL shaders: no Texture NPOT support: no The fact that Direct rendering is set to "no" is most likely the problem, but I don't see why that's failing (DRI used to work). I also see this: kwin(2319): KWin requires at least Mesa 7.10 for OpenGL compositing. kwin(2319): Failed to initialize compositing, compositing disabled kwin(2319): Consult http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KWin/4.0-release-notes#Setting_up Is that a new requirement with 4.7? Compositing worked previously with the older version of Mesa we have in ports (7.6.1). That is going to be a problem since 7.6.1 is the newest version of Mesa we have in ports. Has anyone else run into this or has KWin doing compositing after the upgrade? -- Greg Lewis Email : gle...@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : gle...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
