Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Miroslav Lachman]

Paul Keusemann wrote on 2018/05/25 13:40:


In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done) to store
this information in a log file somewhere so that one can revisit and see
what needs to be manually configured for each installed package.

*by fix I mean something that does not put the burden on the user.


I use screen to record the console session.


Wow.  Where was my mind?  Script, not screen.


Screen or tmux is useful too. They provide configurable scroll buffer. :)

Miroslav Lachman
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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Paul Keusemann]

On 05/24/18 06:45, Paul Keusemann wrote:




On 05/24/18 03:08, Johannes Lundberg wrote:

Hi

The first thing me and probably many other do after install is
pkg install xxx yyy zzz
from console (meaning no scrollback buffer).

With xorg and friends this means hundreds of packets. After install all the
pkg messages are display and most of sometimes very valuable information is
just scrolled away.

Is there an easy way to fix* this by piping the output through less or
something to pause for each screen so that the messages just aren't
scrolled away?

In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done) to store
this information in a log file somewhere so that one can revisit and see
what needs to be manually configured for each installed package.

*by fix I mean something that does not put the burden on the user.


I use screen to record the console session.


Wow.  Where was my mind?  Script, not screen.




Cheers

/Johannes
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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Dan Mahoney (Gushi)]

On Thu, 24 May 2018, Pete Wright wrote:




On 05/24/2018 02:46, Johannes Lundberg wrote:



If you need to re-show message of any installed package, "pkg info -D"
(or pkg info --pkg-message) is your friend. Nothing is lost. You can
view it anytime.


If you're in virtualbox on a laptop, you seldom have scroll lock unless you
map it manually (which is not easy to know how to do).
And, yes you can review the messages later but how do you know which of the
100's of package had important messages for you?

Often when I install 100's of package I walk away from the computer and
when I come back all the messages except the very last one or two have
scrolled by.
I think we should have a pager that says something like "please carefully
read through these messages", halt the output and let's you scroll one page
or pkg at the time.

Even better, a Y/N question asking the user if they want configuration to
be done for them where it makes sense (but that's a bigger project).

I think having pkg output something along the lines of "missed important 
messages or want to view them again, run pkg info -D at any time.  here's the 
list of pkgs we just installed:" would be a good improvement.


it would encourage people to get more comfortable with the pkg tool itself 
while not changing the default behaviour that experienced admins/users have 
gotten used to.


All FreeBSD systems by default come set up with the expectation that 
you (the admin) are going to receive mail from cron and periodic.  I'd opt 
to also email this, on by default, but turn-offable.


FWIW, I believe this is also what Debian does.

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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Pete Wright]

On 05/24/2018 02:46, Johannes Lundberg wrote:



If you need to re-show message of any installed package, "pkg info -D"
(or pkg info --pkg-message) is your friend. Nothing is lost. You can
view it anytime.


If you're in virtualbox on a laptop, you seldom have scroll lock unless you
map it manually (which is not easy to know how to do).
And, yes you can review the messages later but how do you know which of the
100's of package had important messages for you?

Often when I install 100's of package I walk away from the computer and
when I come back all the messages except the very last one or two have
scrolled by.
I think we should have a pager that says something like "please carefully
read through these messages", halt the output and let's you scroll one page
or pkg at the time.

Even better, a Y/N question asking the user if they want configuration to
be done for them where it makes sense (but that's a bigger project).

I think having pkg output something along the lines of "missed important 
messages or want to view them again, run pkg info -D at any time.  
here's the list of pkgs we just installed:" would be a good improvement.


it would encourage people to get more comfortable with the pkg tool 
itself while not changing the default behaviour that experienced 
admins/users have gotten used to.


-pete

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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Chris H]

On Thu, 24 May 2018 15:39:39 +0100 "Johannes Lundberg"  said


On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 3:25 PM Chris H  wrote:

> On Thu, 24 May 2018 15:02:10 +0100 "Johannes Lundberg" 
> said
>
> > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 2:57 PM Chris H  wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 24 May 2018 10:03:47 +0100 "Johannes Lundberg" <
> johal...@gmail.com>
> > > said
> > >
> > > > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 9:27 AM Bob Eager  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:08:17 +0100
> > > > > Johannes Lundberg  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done)
> to
> > > > > > store this information in a log file somewhere so that one can
> > > > > > revisit and see what needs to be manually configured for each
> > > > > > installed package.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have this in syslog.conf:
> > > > >
> > > > >  !pkg,pkg-static
> > > > >  *.* /var/log/pkg.log
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the tip. I'll use this.
> > > > However, someone who knows about this probably know how to manually
> > > > configure their system already.
> > > >
> > > > I want to make sure first timers and newbies don't miss important
> > > messages
> > > > on how to configure the system.
> > > >
> > > > Often we get inquires about stuff that is clearly described in the
> pkg
> > > > message and bug reports that are a consequence of wrong
> configuration.
> > > > How can we make this more clear so that it is not missed?
> > > ports-mgmt/portmaster used (probably still does) to concatenate the
> list
> > > of (port emitted) messages, and dump them to the console/screen when
> the
> > > build/install session completed.
> > > Perhaps pkg(8) could incorporate this, as well?
> > >
> >
> > It does. The problem is there's no paging so all information is scrolled
> > away unless you're on standby with scroll-lock which many computers don't
> > have today...
> Have you tried less(1) or more(1) ?
> eg;
>
> $ cat ~/output-log | less
>
> or, more simply
>
> $ less < ./output-log
>
> HTH
>


You're totally missing the point.

Not entirely. :-)
I'm suggesting that there *are* solutions, and that
1) either (pkg) present them at the end of a session
or
2) these be documented/mentioned in the FreeBSD/pkg documentation (for
first timers)

FWIW given that (t)csh is the default shell && that PAGER is already defined
in ~/.cshrc as more(1) (which is less). "paging" a document/file should already
understood. :-)

So the indication that one should use (type)script(1) before starting a
build/install session (if one is concerned about details) is probably the
real issue here. Which would be a good candidate for the FreeBSD/pkg docs
IMHO.

--Chris


The problem is, first timers are missing
important information on how to configure the system when they install the
packages for the first time. Many don't know in advance they have to pipe
the output to a log file which they later can view with a pager.


>
> --Chris
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>



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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Johannes Lundberg]

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 3:25 PM Chris H  wrote:

> On Thu, 24 May 2018 15:02:10 +0100 "Johannes Lundberg" 
> said
>
> > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 2:57 PM Chris H  wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 24 May 2018 10:03:47 +0100 "Johannes Lundberg" <
> johal...@gmail.com>
> > > said
> > >
> > > > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 9:27 AM Bob Eager  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:08:17 +0100
> > > > > Johannes Lundberg  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done)
> to
> > > > > > store this information in a log file somewhere so that one can
> > > > > > revisit and see what needs to be manually configured for each
> > > > > > installed package.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have this in syslog.conf:
> > > > >
> > > > >  !pkg,pkg-static
> > > > >  *.* /var/log/pkg.log
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the tip. I'll use this.
> > > > However, someone who knows about this probably know how to manually
> > > > configure their system already.
> > > >
> > > > I want to make sure first timers and newbies don't miss important
> > > messages
> > > > on how to configure the system.
> > > >
> > > > Often we get inquires about stuff that is clearly described in the
> pkg
> > > > message and bug reports that are a consequence of wrong
> configuration.
> > > > How can we make this more clear so that it is not missed?
> > > ports-mgmt/portmaster used (probably still does) to concatenate the
> list
> > > of (port emitted) messages, and dump them to the console/screen when
> the
> > > build/install session completed.
> > > Perhaps pkg(8) could incorporate this, as well?
> > >
> >
> > It does. The problem is there's no paging so all information is scrolled
> > away unless you're on standby with scroll-lock which many computers don't
> > have today...
> Have you tried less(1) or more(1) ?
> eg;
>
> $ cat ~/output-log | less
>
> or, more simply
>
> $ less < ./output-log
>
> HTH
>


You're totally missing the point. The problem is, first timers are missing
important information on how to configure the system when they install the
packages for the first time. Many don't know in advance they have to pipe
the output to a log file which they later can view with a pager.


>
> --Chris
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Chris H]

On Thu, 24 May 2018 15:02:10 +0100 "Johannes Lundberg"  said


On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 2:57 PM Chris H  wrote:

> On Thu, 24 May 2018 10:03:47 +0100 "Johannes Lundberg" 
> said
>
> > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 9:27 AM Bob Eager  wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:08:17 +0100
> > > Johannes Lundberg  wrote:
> > >
> > > > In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done) to
> > > > store this information in a log file somewhere so that one can
> > > > revisit and see what needs to be manually configured for each
> > > > installed package.
> > >
> > > I have this in syslog.conf:
> > >
> > >  !pkg,pkg-static
> > >  *.* /var/log/pkg.log
> > >
> >
> > Thanks for the tip. I'll use this.
> > However, someone who knows about this probably know how to manually
> > configure their system already.
> >
> > I want to make sure first timers and newbies don't miss important
> messages
> > on how to configure the system.
> >
> > Often we get inquires about stuff that is clearly described in the pkg
> > message and bug reports that are a consequence of wrong configuration.
> > How can we make this more clear so that it is not missed?
> ports-mgmt/portmaster used (probably still does) to concatenate the list
> of (port emitted) messages, and dump them to the console/screen when the
> build/install session completed.
> Perhaps pkg(8) could incorporate this, as well?
>

It does. The problem is there's no paging so all information is scrolled
away unless you're on standby with scroll-lock which many computers don't
have today...

Have you tried less(1) or more(1) ?
eg;

$ cat ~/output-log | less

or, more simply

$ less < ./output-log

HTH

--Chris







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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Johannes Lundberg]

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 2:57 PM Chris H  wrote:

> On Thu, 24 May 2018 10:03:47 +0100 "Johannes Lundberg" 
> said
>
> > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 9:27 AM Bob Eager  wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:08:17 +0100
> > > Johannes Lundberg  wrote:
> > >
> > > > In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done) to
> > > > store this information in a log file somewhere so that one can
> > > > revisit and see what needs to be manually configured for each
> > > > installed package.
> > >
> > > I have this in syslog.conf:
> > >
> > >  !pkg,pkg-static
> > >  *.* /var/log/pkg.log
> > >
> >
> > Thanks for the tip. I'll use this.
> > However, someone who knows about this probably know how to manually
> > configure their system already.
> >
> > I want to make sure first timers and newbies don't miss important
> messages
> > on how to configure the system.
> >
> > Often we get inquires about stuff that is clearly described in the pkg
> > message and bug reports that are a consequence of wrong configuration.
> > How can we make this more clear so that it is not missed?
> ports-mgmt/portmaster used (probably still does) to concatenate the list
> of (port emitted) messages, and dump them to the console/screen when the
> build/install session completed.
> Perhaps pkg(8) could incorporate this, as well?
>

It does. The problem is there's no paging so all information is scrolled
away unless you're on standby with scroll-lock which many computers don't
have today...



>
> --Chris
> >
>
>
>
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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Baptiste Daroussin]

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 07:00:02AM -0700, Chris H wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2018 10:03:47 +0100 "Johannes Lundberg"  
> said
> 
> > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 9:27 AM Bob Eager  wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:08:17 +0100
> > > Johannes Lundberg  wrote:
> > >
> > > > In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done) to
> > > > store this information in a log file somewhere so that one can
> > > > revisit and see what needs to be manually configured for each
> > > > installed package.
> > >
> > > I have this in syslog.conf:
> > >
> > >  !pkg,pkg-static
> > >  *.* /var/log/pkg.log
> > >
> > 
> > Thanks for the tip. I'll use this.
> > However, someone who knows about this probably know how to manually
> > configure their system already.
> > 
> > I want to make sure first timers and newbies don't miss important messages
> > on how to configure the system.
> > 
> > Often we get inquires about stuff that is clearly described in the pkg
> > message and bug reports that are a consequence of wrong configuration.
> > How can we make this more clear so that it is not missed?
> ports-mgmt/portmaster used (probably still does) to concatenate the list
> of (port emitted) messages, and dump them to the console/screen when the
> build/install session completed.
> Perhaps pkg(8) could incorporate this, as well?

Have you already used pkg(8) ?

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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Chris H]

On Thu, 24 May 2018 10:03:47 +0100 "Johannes Lundberg"  said


On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 9:27 AM Bob Eager  wrote:

> On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:08:17 +0100
> Johannes Lundberg  wrote:
>
> > In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done) to
> > store this information in a log file somewhere so that one can
> > revisit and see what needs to be manually configured for each
> > installed package.
>
> I have this in syslog.conf:
>
>  !pkg,pkg-static
>  *.* /var/log/pkg.log
>

Thanks for the tip. I'll use this.
However, someone who knows about this probably know how to manually
configure their system already.

I want to make sure first timers and newbies don't miss important messages
on how to configure the system.

Often we get inquires about stuff that is clearly described in the pkg
message and bug reports that are a consequence of wrong configuration.
How can we make this more clear so that it is not missed?

ports-mgmt/portmaster used (probably still does) to concatenate the list
of (port emitted) messages, and dump them to the console/screen when the
build/install session completed.
Perhaps pkg(8) could incorporate this, as well?

--Chris





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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Chris H]

On Thu, 24 May 2018 15:39:54 +0700 "Eugene Grosbein"  said


On 24.05.2018 15:08, Johannes Lundberg wrote:
> Hi
> 
> The first thing me and probably many other do after install is

> pkg install xxx yyy zzz
> from console (meaning no scrollback buffer).
> 
> With xorg and friends this means hundreds of packets. After install all the

> pkg messages are display and most of sometimes very valuable information is
> just scrolled away.
> 
> Is there an easy way to fix* this by piping the output through less or

> something to pause for each screen so that the messages just aren't
> scrolled away?
> 
> In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done) to store

> this information in a log file somewhere so that one can revisit and see
> what needs to be manually configured for each installed package.
> 
> *by fix I mean something that does not put the burden on the user.


Installation/deinstallation of packages logged by default to
/var/log/messages.
Syscons console has scrollback buffer by default.
If vt(4) has not, that's regression after syscons and should be fixed in the
vt.

Also, one can have, for tcsh: alias pkg 'script -a /var/log/pkg.log
pkg-static'
So "pkg install xxx yyy zzz" adds fulls output to specified file.

+1

I simply fire
$ script ~/pkg-install-session

build, or pkg install

$ exit

Then grep(1) the results for desired info.
It also allows me to discover any (serious) warnings that may have
been emitted.

HTH

--Chris





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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[olli hauer]

On 2018-05-24 11:21, Miroslav Lachman wrote:
> Johannes Lundberg wrote on 2018/05/24 11:03:
>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 9:27 AM Bob Eager  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:08:17 +0100
>>> Johannes Lundberg  wrote:
>>>
 In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done) to
 store this information in a log file somewhere so that one can
 revisit and see what needs to be manually configured for each
 installed package.
>>>
>>> I have this in syslog.conf:
>>>
>>>   !pkg,pkg-static
>>>   *.* /var/log/pkg.log
> 
> I think only changes are logged, not messages:
> 
> Apr 26 23:50:22 maja pkg: p5-DBI reinstalled: 1.641 -> 1.641
> Apr 26 23:50:22 maja pkg: mariadb101-client upgraded: 10.1.31 -> 10.1.32_2
> Apr 26 23:50:22 maja pkg: libnghttp2 upgraded: 1.31.0 -> 1.31.1
> 
>> Thanks for the tip. I'll use this.
>> However, someone who knows about this probably know how to manually
>> configure their system already.
>>
>> I want to make sure first timers and newbies don't miss important messages
>> on how to configure the system.
>>
>> Often we get inquires about stuff that is clearly described in the pkg
>> message and bug reports that are a consequence of wrong configuration.
>> How can we make this more clear so that it is not missed?
> 
> As Eugene already noted - syscons has scrollback buffer. Did you tried 
> "Scroll Lock" on your keyboard?
> 
> If you need to re-show message of any installed package, "pkg info -D" (or 
> pkg info --pkg-message) is your friend. Nothing is lost. You can view it 
> anytime.
> 

For mass updating you can try the script utility, on FreeBSD there is an 
additional '-q' parameter.
 $ script -q /tmp/MyScriptLog pkg 
 $ col -xb < /tmp/MyScriptLog > /tmp/MyScriptLog.readable

On other platforms:
 $ script /tmp/MyScriptLog
 $ pkg 
 $ exit   (exits only the script util)
 $ col -xb < /tmp/MyScriptLog > /tmp/MyScriptLog.readable

Now all outputs are covered in the log (stdout and stderr)

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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Paul Keusemann]

On 05/24/18 03:08, Johannes Lundberg wrote:

Hi

The first thing me and probably many other do after install is
pkg install xxx yyy zzz
from console (meaning no scrollback buffer).

With xorg and friends this means hundreds of packets. After install all the
pkg messages are display and most of sometimes very valuable information is
just scrolled away.

Is there an easy way to fix* this by piping the output through less or
something to pause for each screen so that the messages just aren't
scrolled away?

In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done) to store
this information in a log file somewhere so that one can revisit and see
what needs to be manually configured for each installed package.

*by fix I mean something that does not put the burden on the user.


I use screen to record the console session.




Cheers

/Johannes
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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Johannes Lundberg]

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 10:21 AM Miroslav Lachman <000.f...@quip.cz> wrote:

> Johannes Lundberg wrote on 2018/05/24 11:03:
> > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 9:27 AM Bob Eager  wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:08:17 +0100
> >> Johannes Lundberg  wrote:
> >>
> >>> In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done) to
> >>> store this information in a log file somewhere so that one can
> >>> revisit and see what needs to be manually configured for each
> >>> installed package.
> >>
> >> I have this in syslog.conf:
> >>
> >>   !pkg,pkg-static
> >>   *.* /var/log/pkg.log
>
> I think only changes are logged, not messages:
>
> Apr 26 23:50:22 maja pkg: p5-DBI reinstalled: 1.641 -> 1.641
> Apr 26 23:50:22 maja pkg: mariadb101-client upgraded: 10.1.31 -> 10.1.32_2
> Apr 26 23:50:22 maja pkg: libnghttp2 upgraded: 1.31.0 -> 1.31.1
>
> > Thanks for the tip. I'll use this.
> > However, someone who knows about this probably know how to manually
> > configure their system already.
> >
> > I want to make sure first timers and newbies don't miss important
> messages
> > on how to configure the system.
> >
> > Often we get inquires about stuff that is clearly described in the pkg
> > message and bug reports that are a consequence of wrong configuration.
> > How can we make this more clear so that it is not missed?
>
> As Eugene already noted - syscons has scrollback buffer. Did you tried
> "Scroll Lock" on your keyboard?
>
> If you need to re-show message of any installed package, "pkg info -D"
> (or pkg info --pkg-message) is your friend. Nothing is lost. You can
> view it anytime.
>

If you're in virtualbox on a laptop, you seldom have scroll lock unless you
map it manually (which is not easy to know how to do).
And, yes you can review the messages later but how do you know which of the
100's of package had important messages for you?

Often when I install 100's of package I walk away from the computer and
when I come back all the messages except the very last one or two have
scrolled by.
I think we should have a pager that says something like "please carefully
read through these messages", halt the output and let's you scroll one page
or pkg at the time.

Even better, a Y/N question asking the user if they want configuration to
be done for them where it makes sense (but that's a bigger project).


>
>
> # pkg info -D mariadb101-server
> mariadb101-server-10.1.33:
> Always:
> 
>
> Remember to run mysql_upgrade (with the optional --datadir= flag)
> the first time you start the MySQL server after an upgrade from an
> earlier version.
>
> MariaDB respects hier(7) and doesn't check /etc and /etc/mysql for
> my.cnf. Please move existing my.cnf files from those paths to
> /usr/local/etc and /usr/local/etc/mysql.
>
> This port does NOT include the mytop perl script, this is included in
> the MariaDB tarball but the most recent version can be found in the
> databases/mytop port
>
> 
>
> Miroslav Lachman
>
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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Guido Falsi]

On 05/24/18 10:08, Johannes Lundberg wrote:
> Hi
> 
> The first thing me and probably many other do after install is
> pkg install xxx yyy zzz
> from console (meaning no scrollback buffer).

FreeBSD console does have a scrollback buffer. just press scroll-lock
and use the page up/page down buttons to move around the buffer.


By default the buffer isn't very big so it could not suffice if the
output is actually very very long. it can be configured using vidcontrol(1).

> 
> With xorg and friends this means hundreds of packets. After install all the
> pkg messages are display and most of sometimes very valuable information is
> just scrolled away.
> 
> Is there an easy way to fix* this by piping the output through less or
> something to pause for each screen so that the messages just aren't
> scrolled away?

script(1) could save it to a file in realtime and you can read it from
another terminal, and leave you a file with all the output.

> 
> In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done) to store
> this information in a log file somewhere so that one can revisit and see
> what needs to be manually configured for each installed package.

pkg generates log lines about what it installs updates, which can be
found in /var/log/messages with default syslogd configuration, for example:

May 24 08:37:55 *** pkg[6058]: thunderbird upgraded: 52.8.0 -> 52.8.0_5
May 24 08:37:55 *** pkg[6058]: p5-DateTime upgraded: 1.48 -> 1.49
May 24 08:37:56 *** pkg[6058]: java-zoneinfo upgraded: 2018.d -> 2018.e
May 24 08:38:02 *** pkg[6058]: firefox upgraded: 60.0.1,1 -> 60.0.1_3,1
May 24 08:38:02 *** pkg[6058]: devcpu-data upgraded: 1.16_1 -> 1.16_2

-- 
Guido Falsi 
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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Miroslav Lachman]

Johannes Lundberg wrote on 2018/05/24 11:03:

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 9:27 AM Bob Eager  wrote:


On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:08:17 +0100
Johannes Lundberg  wrote:


In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done) to
store this information in a log file somewhere so that one can
revisit and see what needs to be manually configured for each
installed package.


I have this in syslog.conf:

  !pkg,pkg-static
  *.* /var/log/pkg.log


I think only changes are logged, not messages:

Apr 26 23:50:22 maja pkg: p5-DBI reinstalled: 1.641 -> 1.641
Apr 26 23:50:22 maja pkg: mariadb101-client upgraded: 10.1.31 -> 10.1.32_2
Apr 26 23:50:22 maja pkg: libnghttp2 upgraded: 1.31.0 -> 1.31.1


Thanks for the tip. I'll use this.
However, someone who knows about this probably know how to manually
configure their system already.

I want to make sure first timers and newbies don't miss important messages
on how to configure the system.

Often we get inquires about stuff that is clearly described in the pkg
message and bug reports that are a consequence of wrong configuration.
How can we make this more clear so that it is not missed?


As Eugene already noted - syscons has scrollback buffer. Did you tried 
"Scroll Lock" on your keyboard?


If you need to re-show message of any installed package, "pkg info -D" 
(or pkg info --pkg-message) is your friend. Nothing is lost. You can 
view it anytime.



# pkg info -D mariadb101-server
mariadb101-server-10.1.33:
Always:


Remember to run mysql_upgrade (with the optional --datadir= flag)
the first time you start the MySQL server after an upgrade from an
earlier version.

MariaDB respects hier(7) and doesn't check /etc and /etc/mysql for
my.cnf. Please move existing my.cnf files from those paths to
/usr/local/etc and /usr/local/etc/mysql.

This port does NOT include the mytop perl script, this is included in
the MariaDB tarball but the most recent version can be found in the
databases/mytop port



Miroslav Lachman
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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Johannes Lundberg]

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 9:27 AM Bob Eager  wrote:

> On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:08:17 +0100
> Johannes Lundberg  wrote:
>
> > In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done) to
> > store this information in a log file somewhere so that one can
> > revisit and see what needs to be manually configured for each
> > installed package.
>
> I have this in syslog.conf:
>
>  !pkg,pkg-static
>  *.* /var/log/pkg.log
>

Thanks for the tip. I'll use this.
However, someone who knows about this probably know how to manually
configure their system already.

I want to make sure first timers and newbies don't miss important messages
on how to configure the system.

Often we get inquires about stuff that is clearly described in the pkg
message and bug reports that are a consequence of wrong configuration.
How can we make this more clear so that it is not missed?



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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Eugene Grosbein]

On 24.05.2018 15:08, Johannes Lundberg wrote:
> Hi
> 
> The first thing me and probably many other do after install is
> pkg install xxx yyy zzz
> from console (meaning no scrollback buffer).
> 
> With xorg and friends this means hundreds of packets. After install all the
> pkg messages are display and most of sometimes very valuable information is
> just scrolled away.
> 
> Is there an easy way to fix* this by piping the output through less or
> something to pause for each screen so that the messages just aren't
> scrolled away?
> 
> In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done) to store
> this information in a log file somewhere so that one can revisit and see
> what needs to be manually configured for each installed package.
> 
> *by fix I mean something that does not put the burden on the user.

Installation/deinstallation of packages logged by default to /var/log/messages.
Syscons console has scrollback buffer by default.
If vt(4) has not, that's regression after syscons and should be fixed in the vt.

Also, one can have, for tcsh: alias pkg 'script -a /var/log/pkg.log pkg-static'
So "pkg install xxx yyy zzz" adds fulls output to specified file.

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Re: Pause pkg install messages

[Bob Eager]

On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:08:17 +0100
Johannes Lundberg  wrote:

> In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done) to
> store this information in a log file somewhere so that one can
> revisit and see what needs to be manually configured for each
> installed package.

I have this in syslog.conf:

 !pkg,pkg-static
 *.* /var/log/pkg.log
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Pause pkg install messages

[Johannes Lundberg]

Hi

The first thing me and probably many other do after install is
pkg install xxx yyy zzz
from console (meaning no scrollback buffer).

With xorg and friends this means hundreds of packets. After install all the
pkg messages are display and most of sometimes very valuable information is
just scrolled away.

Is there an easy way to fix* this by piping the output through less or
something to pause for each screen so that the messages just aren't
scrolled away?

In addition to that it would be nice (if it's not already done) to store
this information in a log file somewhere so that one can revisit and see
what needs to be manually configured for each installed package.

*by fix I mean something that does not put the burden on the user.

Cheers

/Johannes
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